Chapter 46-2: Under Pressure

Every time the into music starts up now I get sad....... :o

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Originally Posted by katlero

Never gonna let us down.... never gonna run around or desert us?

I do think he will make me cry when we have to say goodbye.


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Your just trying to get Saul out of the way so you can have victor all to yourself!!!! Wait.... What?!?!? :squint:

Concerning Why Skittles Was Not Munched When Dunbar Fell:
This point, I am admittedly having a hard time with. So we are supposed to believe that, due to his Zombie-Stealth Sweat (and yet unjustified explanation insofar as why his sweat and no other has this particular effect), the Ink-led Zeds charged the castle, running hog wild over all the Dunbar inhabitants but one-- the lonely Skittles, standing petrified by the door as they all flooded past.

We know that Zeds are attracted to not only sweat, but also movement and sound (as testified by the car alarm Saul set off). So why was he not captured then along with the rest? I find it hard to believe that simply having a different scent would suddenly give one a Predator-like invisibility cloak to all things Zed.

Anyone else having trouble with this?

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

Concerning Why Skittles Was Not Munched When Dunbar Fell:
This point, I am admittedly having a hard time with. So we are supposed to believe that, due to his Zombie-Stealth Sweat (and yet unjustified explanation insofar as why his sweat and no other has this particular effect), the Ink-led Zeds charged the castle, running hog wild over all the Dunbar inhabitants but one-- the lonely Skittles, standing petrified by the door as they all flooded past.

We know that Zeds are attracted to not only sweat, but also movement and sound (as testified by the car alarm Saul set off). So why was he not captured then along with the rest? I find it hard to believe that simply having a different scent would suddenly give one a Predator-like invisibility cloak to all things Zed.

Anyone else having trouble with this?

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We know that Skittles let Ink into Dunbar..... Ink & Co. then spare skittles..... We have seen a few times where Ink has left someone. My thought is there is either something special about the people that Ink leaves, or....... Ink being a scientist before the outbreak, still has a scientific mindset and wants to leave certain people to see how they react, etc, etc..... Skittles and Puck and CJ were all left after almost everyone around them had been killed......

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

Concerning Why Skittles Was Not Munched When Dunbar Fell:
This point, I am admittedly having a hard time with. So we are supposed to believe that, due to his Zombie-Stealth Sweat (and yet unjustified explanation insofar as why his sweat and no other has this particular effect), the Ink-led Zeds charged the castle, running hog wild over all the Dunbar inhabitants but one-- the lonely Skittles, standing petrified by the door as they all flooded past.

We know that Zeds are attracted to not only sweat, but also movement and sound (as testified by the car alarm Saul set off). So why was he not captured then along with the rest? I find it hard to believe that simply having a different scent would suddenly give one a Predator-like invisibility cloak to all things Zed.

Anyone else having trouble with this?

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He's got the zombie-agent in his system/ blood. Actually he "is" a zombie, but did not change the way most others did. In fact he may be a smart one, but did not step over the "edge" to become a full blown puppet of the monster hordes.
As I understand it the Smart Ones are accepted as semi-pack-leaders - not really Alpha, but close to it. So standard zombos won't attack Smart Ones, because they simply submitted to Skittles not knowing that he has not changed 100%.
And since Skittles was under his human side's control, his mind got wacka-dee-wack, and now he is a sole "survivor" in that way that he is recognized as a human in the eyes of humans and as a zombie in the eyes of the zombies.

This would explain why the zombies are not alert about Michael, Victor, and Saul showing up as humans, but smelling like "one of them". And since it is Skittel's sweat they use, they don't feel the urge to eat them. But this may change as soon as they encounter one of the Smart Ones who may "see" or "understand" the difference ...

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

Redbeard, woodgas is a different process than biodisel. It uses a controlled fire to produce a smoke that can be used in the engine as an explosive gas. I would much rather see them try a woodgas conversion. Not as versatile or power dense as biodiesel, but easier logistics

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Sorry about that I wasn't clear enough. The process of creating Woodgas is very similar to creating methanol plus the process to create methanol is more efficient than woodgas. Lye is sodium hydroxide used in the wash. I'm just saying that eventually stored resources will dwindle and these are two things you will likely end up creating anyways. Sounds like jobs for the colonist that have moved out near the lake.

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

Liam,

I think Saul's and Victor's first trip to ground zero described uncollected dead. People seemed to have died there, but were not collected like the other five million people in LA

I find it interesting that whatever the gas haze was melted through the body bag. If it was a real body bag, they are designed to contain body rot. Even if it is not, plastic does a good job resisting biology. Was it a strong exothermic reaction (heat) that melted it?

I think we must keep an open mind. It could very well be a chemical gas, but I would not rule out a spore cloud. We could have a fungus that throws spores, infects people, manipulates the host and then converts the host into more spores. I do not like to go too in depth with this stuff. It used to be my day job... But, I will allow myself another piled higher and deeper... Lol

There is a class of microbes that produce methane. It could be possible to harness this process and combine it with the spore life cycle. For dispersal, low density is better. Dandolines put those big pompom hats on to help the wind disperse them. Spores are pretty dense, but what if the microscopic spore had a methane balloon two or three times the size of the spore? It would still be microscopic, and much easier to disperse. We can milk this a bit more and have the spores sit in the methane deep underground and is disturbed by the hydrolic fracking technology that is now being used to vastly increase the amount of natural gas we can pump out of the ground. In real life they are fracking at ground zero.

I can go further down the crazy train, the slime molds normally do there own thing, but when a few of them think the growing conditions suck, they start pumping out a chemical signal to other slime molds to team up and produce spores together. I do not think KC has gone this route, but we have hard science that a single celll microbe can send out a signal that causes them to organize into a multicellular organism. Scifi can take the same concept and push it world wide to have multiple outbreaks.

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#28-3 - No zombies, no living thing, even the dead were brown; that's what Saul states at the start of #28-3. And later, when they reach the target are near/ at ground zero, Saul and Victor observe "blood everywhere" and "a couple of bodys over there. "Rotting bodys were scattered all over." 6:14. And that while there was this "haze" Victor took a picture of with a camera. And there are all "those left over bodies" - at roughly 8:19+. I wonder: bodys of zombies or humans?

And all that months after Kalani and Pegs had their trouble at the area near the end of season #2. I think it is a safe assumption that back then those bodies were there as well. So, consodering the state of the dissolving/ decomposing zombie-body in the Mortuary I have some trouble seeing how the gas has come from the body, because Tanya's body was half as ikd as the bodys at ground zero when Saul and Victor were there.

What next: When Victor and Tanya visit Ground Zero in #40-1 and #40-2 the haze is gone at first and they can breath normally. The bodies were gone, too. But then the haze comes back through a crack in the ground, although there are no dead bodies around on the surface. What does this imply? Either it is true and piles of dead bodys in the underground keep evaporating the gas in unsteady eruptions and it does not matter what's going on on the surface, or the gas has a different source.

In the most recent episode of #46-2 we have this description provided by Tanya:
When Pegs appears, Pegs starts coughing and has trouble breathing the moment the door to the Mortuary is opened.
Then Tanya checks the trays and finds the bodybag of the oldest body in one of the trays. The body bag has melted away, and there was this yellow haze Tanya has recognized in Inglewood.

Ok. Check. The gas comes from the body - probably as kind of a product from the decomposing body of a zombie.

Mh ... That changes my theory in some regards, I guess. Thanks for pointing me towards it.

Best wishes Liam.

Alright I've got a bit of a :tinfoil: theory here:

The "facts":
Whatever the source of the gas is (either the remains of large numbers of zombie corpses or some sort of other natural deposit) it does seem to be contained underground.
Ink and his army are also located underground.
The gas seems to have a strange quality whereby it can both change humans into zombies but also drives zombies away in large concentrations (since no zombies were seen at ground zero while the haze was there.)

So here's my idea:
What if the haze is not only the cause of the outbreak (possibly) but also the key to defeating Ink. If a large concentration of gas were to be released to flood Ink's tunnels while the zombies are trapped inside (seal up the entrances that Michael, Vic, and Saul are ferreting out) it could kill them. And this could explain why Michael is going back over his journal, he's preparing himself to make a sacrifice by releasing the gas that will trap him as well.

OK you can all take off your :tinfoil:

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Originally Posted by HardKor

Alright I've got a bit of a :tinfoil: theory here:

The "facts":
Whatever the source of the gas is (either the remains of large numbers of zombie corpses or some sort of other natural deposit) it does seem to be contained underground.
Ink and his army are also located underground.
The gas seems to have a strange quality whereby it can both change humans into zombies but also drives zombies away in large concentrations (since no zombies were seen at ground zero while the haze was there.)

So here's my idea:
What if the haze is not only the cause of the outbreak (possibly) but also the key to defeating Ink. If a large concentration of gas were to be released to flood Ink's tunnels while the zombies are trapped inside (seal up the entrances that Michael, Vic, and Saul are ferreting out) it could kill them. And this could explain why Michael is going back over his journal, he's preparing himself to make a sacrifice by releasing the gas that will trap him as well.

OK you can all take off your :tinfoil:

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You know... Now I really want to see Michael dead at the end of the series... :)
Imagine them going Down the tunnels when the gas is gone, finding the corpse of Michael just sitting on the floor leaned up against a wall with his journal in his lap. It would feel quite weird to have him die since he seems to be the main character, but since we've had other points of view it's not really impossible.

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Originally Posted by HardKor

Alright I've got a bit of a :tinfoil: theory here:

The "facts":
Whatever the source of the gas is (either the remains of large numbers of zombie corpses or some sort of other natural deposit) it does seem to be contained underground.
Ink and his army are also located underground.
The gas seems to have a strange quality whereby it can both change humans into zombies but also drives zombies away in large concentrations (since no zombies were seen at ground zero while the haze was there.)

So here's my idea:
What if the haze is not only the cause of the outbreak (possibly) but also the key to defeating Ink. If a large concentration of gas were to be released to flood Ink's tunnels while the zombies are trapped inside (seal up the entrances that Michael, Vic, and Saul are ferreting out) it could kill them. And this could explain why Michael is going back over his journal, he's preparing himself to make a sacrifice by releasing the gas that will trap him as well.

OK you can all take off your :tinfoil:

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Mh. Question: the trays in the Mortuary - do they kind of seal of the bodys from the environment? If so, and it looks like that, the gas and the haze evaporate from the dead bodys which were affected by the zombie-agent. It seems to be like a bio-chemical or chemical process going on, although the body of the dead zombie is disfunctional. Unless the zombie-agent is no bacteria, germ or fungus - I think it is neither, but more kind of a chemical cocktail of sorts -, which would survive in an enclosed, almost sealed off, probably kind of cool location, the zombie-agent dissolves the body and releases the gases.

Now, I guess, we need to consider one important detail: from what I understand from Michael's, Victor's and R2Da2's observation, the zombies seemed to have modified/ fortified/ secured the structure of their tunnels with kind of organic stuff - most likely the remains of the dead people and zombies. What, if they used a huge amount of zombie-flesh for this task in the area of Inglewood? Considering the amount of likely zombie-bodies available that would explain why the haze was there for at least three seasons. In season #4 the zombies might have proceded with this task another time (new Little One breeds gone wrong and recycled to become part of the wall of flesh), which let a new haze reappear when Tanya and Victor showed up for some air-samples at ground zero.

Granted: If the zombies have done something like that, the tunnels must have been filled with those gases a lot. Yes. But with those cracks in the ground at Inglewood the gases could dissipate easily - especially, if there are enough open gaps in the system if the tunnels.

Ok. Granted #2: them zombies seem to be affected by the gases as well. Why would they put themselves at such a risk? Good question, which is to be countered by another one: why did the zombies carry away their dead like afrer their war? Their dead bodies had to serve another purpose. Maybe food. Maybe becoming part of the tunnel-system. Maybe becoming a super zombie-gas-chemical bomb underneath LA ...

Best wishes.
Liam

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Originally Posted by Storm

Thanks... Now I'm trying to imagine a cross-over between WA and ASOIAF... I guess Michael would be some kind of NW guy... And Saul has finally taken the Black...
I have a feeling wildfire Works pretty well against zombies :D

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Ooh, now I'm trying to make Song of Ice and Fire characters into We're Alive and vice-versa too.... Hmm, Riley would be an older Arya. I think Asha Greyjoy would be Scratch. Bricks could be Hodor, lol. Burt could be Lord Commander Mormont. I honestly can't think of any others, but this is fun.

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Originally Posted by Vlarken

Ooh, now I'm trying to make Song of Ice and Fire characters into We're Alive and vice-versa too.... Hmm, Riley would be an older Arya. I think Asha Greyjoy would be Scratch. Bricks could be Hodor, lol. Burt could be Lord Commander Mormont. I honestly can't think of any others, but this is fun.

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Kimmet might be Aerys Targaryen... That mad king guy, can't remember his number, III or IV or something...Pegs and Saul might be wargs, though none of them has ever warged into either Lady or Mr. Whiskers
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Ooh! Skittles... He just has to be Patchface! :D

Wondering what any of this has to do with the episode... does it tie in anywhere or are we jumping off track again?

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

Concerning Why Skittles Was Not Munched When Dunbar Fell:
This point, I am admittedly having a hard time with. So we are supposed to believe that, due to his Zombie-Stealth Sweat (and yet unjustified explanation insofar as why his sweat and no other has this particular effect), the Ink-led Zeds charged the castle, running hog wild over all the Dunbar inhabitants but one-- the lonely Skittles, standing petrified by the door as they all flooded past.

We know that Zeds are attracted to not only sweat, but also movement and sound (as testified by the car alarm Saul set off). So why was he not captured then along with the rest? I find it hard to believe that simply having a different scent would suddenly give one a Predator-like invisibility cloak to all things Zed.

Anyone else having trouble with this?

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I am. Mainly because the the McGuffin nature of it. Random guy lets Zombies in... and has invisible zombie sweat. Just very odd.

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Originally Posted by MrRedBeard

Its been a very musical thread.

This was also a point of discussion on the FanCast. Right there with you on the torture. Riley is starting to parallel Scratch in some ways and makes me agree with Osiris's thoughts from the last thread a bit more about who was the antagonist.

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No. Bad RedBeard. Bad. The Prison Inmates are not good guys. Bad RedBeard. Bad.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Now, I guess, we need to consider one important detail: from what I understand from Michael's, Victor's and R2Da2's observation, the zombies seemed to have modified/ fortified/ secured the structure of their tunnels with kind of organic stuff - most likely the remains of the dead people and zombies. What, if they used a huge amount of zombie-flesh for this task in the area of Inglewood? Considering the amount of likely zombie-bodies available that would explain why the haze was there for at least three seasons. In season #4 the zombies might have proceded with this task another time (new Little One breeds gone wrong and recycled to become part of the wall of flesh), which let a new haze reappear when Tanya and Victor showed up for some air-samples at ground zero.

Granted: If the zombies have done something like that, the tunnels must have been filled with those gases a lot. Yes. But with those cracks in the ground at Inglewood the gases could dissipate easily - especially, if there are enough open gaps in the system if the tunnels.


Best wishes.
Liam

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Bingo! My first thought after hearing Tanya mentioning the gas in the mortuary was that the tunnels are lined with some sort of zombie remains. At first, I thought the gas emitted from the remains build pressure and may have caused some sort of seismic activity, like the local earthquake at Ground Zero around the time the haze reappeared. Hence, the title, "Under Pressure." But that would mean that needs to be corpse-filled tunnels under ground zero, and/or local earthquakes that have yet to be experienced near the tunnels.

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Originally Posted by Verse

No. Bad RedBeard. Bad. The Prison Inmates are not good guys. Bad RedBeard. Bad.

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You don't seem to understand the subtle difference between antagonist and bad guy.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Wondering what any of this has to do with the episode... does it tie in anywhere or are we jumping off track again?

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Nope, it does not.
But it provides evidence that there is at least some activity on this forum.

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Nope, it does not.
But it provides evidence that there is at least some activity on this forum.

Best wishes!
Liam

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Things have dropped off considerably in the last few months. I can't imagine how anyone could stand to miss such stimulating and topical conversation.

Sadly havn't had enough time to read the topic, just the first couple pages.....been working too much lately... But anyway..

I still dont understand the hating on B&R for the treatment of Tardust? The man was a useless person before the outbreak, and after it helped the mallers through everything and to top it off he TRIED TO RAPE LIZZY.....I have no sympathy for this man. I personally would put a bullet in his head as soon as i knew where this new spot was, because i would have no further use for him.


Great episode, gonna listen again in the morning and try to get my predictions ready when i'm not about to fall over asleep, lol.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Wondering what any of this has to do with the episode... does it tie in anywhere or are we jumping off track again?

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Well, maybe Victor's a huge ASOIAF fan... But no, it's not in any way related to this week's episode, I simply just replied to a post mentioning something from ASOIAF and well... Snowball effect I guess.
...Second thought, Victor doesn't seem to be a guy that reads that many books, so... The only way he could be a fan of it would be from the tv series then, but since WA is taking place in 2009... Grr(m)! Damn it!

Trying to figure out something about the Rainbow fan symbol... Does anyone know whether the five lines come to a point at the top or bottom? My first thought was the top, but if that's not the case.......
Could they represent the five fingers on a hand? It seems to be a quite strong symbol for "stop", which I think an open palm would be too, at least if I have to quote one of the websites I just visited:
"A palm facing outward towards others fends them off or pushes them away in a more obvious way than the palms-down signal ('Stop. Do not come any closer!')."
I don't know what the three arched lines above would be though, maybe they indicate some sort of movement/force/stuff...
If it turns out that they come to a point at the top right below the Rainbow this theory makes no sense... Lol.
Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by REZombie

Sadly havn't had enough time to read the topic, just the first couple pages.....been working too much lately... But anyway..

I still dont understand the hating on B&R for the treatment of Tardust? The man was a useless person before the outbreak, and after it helped the mallers through everything and to top it off he TRIED TO RAPE LIZZY.....I have no sympathy for this man. I personally would put a bullet in his head as soon as i knew where this new spot was, because i would have no further use for him.

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Its not hate for Tardust's treatment. Its we don't want to see our heroes take the Dark path.. I wish they would draw and quarter him. But to invoke Scratch style torture was what no one wanted to see them do.. Not for the sake of Tardust, but their own sake, Especially Riley..

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Originally Posted by Storm

Trying to figure out something about the Rainbow fan symbol... Does anyone know whether the five lines come to a point at the top or bottom? My first thought was the top, but if that's not the case.......
Could they represent the five fingers on a hand? It seems to be a quite strong symbol for "stop", which I think an open palm would be too, at least if I have to quote one of the websites I just visited:
"A palm facing outward towards others fends them off or pushes them away in a more obvious way than the palms-down signal ('Stop. Do not come any closer!')."
I don't know what the three arched lines above would be though, maybe they indicate some sort of movement/force/stuff...
If it turns out that they come to a point at the top right below the Rainbow this theory makes no sense... Lol.
Thoughts?

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I have been googling protection symbols and a hand comes up a lot. You could be on to something.

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Originally Posted by Storm

Thanks... Now I'm trying to imagine a cross-over between WA and ASOIAF... I guess Michael would be some kind of NW guy... And Saul has finally taken the Black...
I have a feeling wildfire Works pretty well against zombies :D

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Someone Fanfic this.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Things have dropped off considerably in the last few months. I can't imagine how anyone could stand to miss such stimulating and topical conversation.

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Agreed!!!! Its like there was some big event or something that turned everyone off to posting on the forums!!! Sucks!!! :meh:

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Agreed!!!! Its like there was some big event or something that turned everyone off to posting on the forums!!! Sucks!!! :meh:

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What did I miss?

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Originally Posted by Vlarken

Ooh, now I'm trying to make Song of Ice and Fire characters into We're Alive and vice-versa too.... Hmm, Riley would be an older Arya. I think Asha Greyjoy would be Scratch. Bricks could be Hodor, lol. Burt could be Lord Commander Mormont. I honestly can't think of any others, but this is fun.

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Would of said Scratch was more a Cersei....... Asha isn't much of a antagonist/evil girl.....

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Agreed!!!! Its like there was some big event or something that turned everyone off to posting on the forums!!! Sucks!!! :meh:

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Seemed to begin dropping off when Ft. Irwin became central. It became military chatter, and a lot of people seemed to get bored with it. Military drama/fiction is not everyone's cup of tea, and talking about it is no different. I know that was one of the reason I started posting with less frequency.

With a few people mentioning spores/fungus it got me thinking about how Cordyceps works, in real life but more importantly in The Last of Us. In real life, at least one strain of it infects ants and mind controls them for the purpose of infecting even more ants. Interestingly this ties in nicely with theories from earlier in the series that the zombies behave like an ant colony. In the game, people are infected by spores or bites from other infected. After the fungus runs its course, the infected body dies and releases more spores to continue the cycle, perhaps not unlike what is happening in Tanya's morgue.

One of the key elements we are still missing here is how the outbreak started, and in multiple places. If there were already lots of bodies rotting under ground zero, how did they get there, how were they already infected, and how did it happen on other continents?

Yet again, I'm a few episodes behind with regards to the forum and HI AGAIN EVERYBODY!, but I had abandoned/admitted defeat on my theory when we confirmed Datu 'felt compelled' by these symbols. My thoery being that there was some archaic language being used, and that Ink knew something was up long before the outbreak, which is WHY he tattooed himself and was not attacked when found in that van in the video tape we seen (being tattooed with "stop" or "protect". After this week, I'm jumping back on board that train! Now, to look through my post history and try to find when I first made this kooky claim!

And I'm going to try and get back up to speed with the posts asap!

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Would of said Scratch was more a Cersei....... Asha isn't much of a antagonist/evil girl.....

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I was thinking Asha because, while Scratch is a villain, she's also a fighter and pretty fearless. Cersei is just a conniving, pathetic, petty character who, outside of plotting, has no real intelligence. Scratch, as much as I hate to say it, is more than that.

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Originally Posted by Vlarken

I was thinking Asha because, while Scratch is a villain, she's also a fighter and pretty fearless. Cersei is just a conniving, pathetic, petty character who, outside of plotting, has no real intelligence. Scratch, as much as I hate to say it, is more than that.

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Fair enough. You get some brownie points for that.

Thanks for the info RB, did not realize that you could use wood gas to make methanol. But, I agree with Riley. Biodiesel is a job for Tardust, not Burt.

Hi, though I spent some time about it recently, I think I spent not enough time about finding a solution to the "gas anomaly." I mean, let's suppose that the Ground Zero gas contains a toxic component, the effects of it - as I recall it - seem pretty binary. When being exposed to it, people instantly start coughing and switching their main priority to better get out of here right now. On the other side, we witnessed a lot of zombie corpses lying around when there were not indications whatsoever of them fumigating anything. Moreover, I doubt that there can be a biological component to the gas agent besides the chemical one - just because people did not show signs of an infection after they left or were removed from the emission side.

Besides, as the gas fumigates out of dead bodies, why does it precipitate just at such an occasion and not constantly while the zombie still lived? If it reacted with something inside the zombies body would it not mean the gas is reactive at least? So, if we are dealing with an reactive gas, would it therefor not be likely to be acid or alkaline? Moreover, it is required to have some escharotic quality as well. Surely, I am taking a bold step forward - but damn, why did Tanya not find any traces of this while conducting her blood sample tests? Using reagent paper is no rocket science!

I do not get it.

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

Yet again, I'm a few episodes behind with regards to the forum and HI AGAIN EVERYBODY!, but I had abandoned/admitted defeat on my theory when we confirmed Datu 'felt compelled' by these symbols. My thoery being that there was some archaic language being used, and that Ink knew something was up long before the outbreak, which is WHY he tattooed himself and was not attacked when found in that van in the video tape we seen (being tattooed with "stop" or "protect". After this week, I'm jumping back on board that train! Now, to look through my post history and try to find when I first made this kooky claim!

And I'm going to try and get back up to speed with the posts asap!

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I would like to add one thing here. The episode "Blood, sweat and fears" depicted zombies whose sensory impressions were completely controlled by pheromones after Michael and the others threw some sweat bottles against a wall which the zombies subsequently started to attack. I wonder - if Michael's team captured some regular zombies and would succeed in drenching Ink with human sweat - would the zombies attack Ink or be still repelled by his symbols?

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Hi, though I spent some time about it recently, I think I spent not enough time about finding a solution to the "gas anomaly." I mean, let's suppose that the Ground Zero gas contains a toxic component, the effects of it - as I recall it - seem pretty binary. When being exposed to it, people instantly start coughing and switching their main priority to better get out of here right now. On the other side, we witnessed a lot of zombie corpses lying around when there were not indications whatsoever of them fumigating anything. Moreover, I doubt that there can be a biological component to the gas agent besides the chemical one - just because people did not show signs of an infection after they left or were removed from the emission side.

Besides, as the gas fumigates out of dead bodies, why does it precipitate just at such an occasion and not constantly while the zombie still lived? If it reacted with something inside the zombies body would it not mean the gas is reactive at least? So, if we are dealing with an reactive gas, would it therefor not be likely to be acid or alkaline? Moreover, it is required to have some escharotic quality as well. Surely, I am taking a bold step forward - but damn, why did Tanya not find any traces of this while conducting her blood sample tests? Using reagent paper is no rocket science!

I do not get it.

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Damn fine thoughts.

Something to chew on:

What if each zombie releases these gases, but the dosage is so small that you actually do not recognize it. Compare it with "sweating" in a broader sense: you release water from your body 24/7 through your skin; but only when you do sports or are exposed to great heat or use some more recognizable "valves" of your body you actually "see" or "feel" the water flowing. If it is possible to compare this picture with the gases and if the gases are the result of some bio-chemical process within zombie-bodies, then the concentrated appearance of the gases might be the gase, because the gas could gather for some time in a certain spot and then get released - at Ground Zero for example think of the gases gathering and concentrating under the surface, until the pressure opens more gaps or cracks in the ground allowing the gases to get released. Once at the surface the gases spreads so quickly, that the conentration per cubic-foot or cubic-meter decreases, which btw would explain why survivors recognized these gases only in certain areas and not all over LA. In favor of this idea speaks the "obvious": at places where the gas is highly concentrated, there is this haze recognizable; but the farther you are away from it the less likely you "see" the haze or gases, but you may only start reacting to it. Another very good example suporting this is what has been described in #46-2: Pegs reacts to the gas as soon as Tanya opens the door to the Mortuary; but neither Pegs nor Tanya see anything; Tanya gets into the mortuary, still does not see anything, until she opens the tray with the dead body; and here she recognizes the yellow gas or haze like what she saw when she took samples at Ground Zero ...
All a matter of dosage or concentration. And that actually leaves the question open, whether zombies transpire these gases round the clock.

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

I would like to add one thing here. The episode "Blood, sweat and fears" depicted zombies whose sensory impressions were completely controlled by pheromones after Michael and the others threw some sweat bottles against a wall which the zombies subsequently started to attack. I wonder - if Michael's team captured some regular zombies and would succeed in drenching Ink with human sweat - would the zombies attack Ink or be still repelled by his symbols?

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Brilliant idea.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Brilliant idea.

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Whatever might be the outcome of this - Inks gonna be pissed off big time. So it appears to be worth a try. :D Just for giggles.