He was drunk, before the party, and said "I need to save my own ass!" Blam, radio, Mallers, and Towers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
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He was drunk, before the party, and said "I need to save my own ass!" Blam, radio, Mallers, and Towers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I don't want to believe that any of the main characters are responsible. So might as well blame it on Kalani for being the rat, he's pretty worthless. Plus he's new and nobody knows about him. And he just gets in the way. He's the perfect scapegoat. Him or Kelly.
Saul might make sense. I mean when he was first scouting their base, what if he made a deal with the Mallers in order to avoid being killed by them (or the zombies)? But then again, Mallers aren't smart enough to try something like that.
Wait, Saul couldn't have. Because whoever it was they assassinated Durai. And Saul is a terrible shot when sober, also bear in mind that Saul was drink at the time, and Lizzy was with him.
I don't want to say it, but perhaps Lizzy took Saul's gun, and Saul didn't tell the others it was her since he loves her and will protect her. And Lizzy is a really good marksman so she could have killed Durai.
Maybe in a couple weeks we can do a "who's the rat v. 2.0" and compare notes.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I still say it's Kalani.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Wait what? Who assassinated Durai? Best of my knowledge Durai escaped the Tower unscathed. His body wasn't mentioned as among the dead mallers the Tower found after the War. And after the shots were fired, Durai was still talking to the Tower over the radio. Not to say he wasn't killed in the battle, but there's no evidence he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny
He wasn't heard talking after the gunshots though? And Scratch is the one who said "you're going to regret that"Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Gunshots were done and Durai said "you're shooting at us." If he'd been shot, I'd imagine the next words out of his mouth would either be "You shot me" or nothing because he'd be dead instead of "You're shooting at us". Going with my idea that Durai has a massive superiority complex, he would be insulted by the notion that he was shot at and then have the opposition try to backtrack. He could very easily have thrown the handset to Scratch and went to organize the first wave of attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny
It was deff. someone from the tower. Then again do we still believe that the person who fired the first shot is the same one who is the rat?
You just reminded me of something. When I first saw Scream I actually called the bad guys correctly. I said "Oh it has to be person a and person b......no wait...that...that can't be right. There are never two bad guys in slasher flicks because they all follow the same formula." So then I settled on just person a, and got really mad when I discovered I was right the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by StepLaugh
Perhaps it's not just one person whodunit. It could actually be more than one person who blew the Tower in together. *stroking chin...* hmmm....
If Kelly were with the Mallers she is in prime real estate for a call right now!
I voted Kelly, mostly because CrowBar left out the real rat or at least an option to choose him/her.
I now feel as though Kelly was not a plant from the Mallers but the real deal. Tommy had a back story to where they were when the wave hit their neighborhood. I am running myself in circles though, because it may have been after she got in she was able to pick up a conversation with the Mallers, and damn did she not like Micheal's leadership... yep, its Kelly. But wait, ha ha.
Teeth
What if we don't think there was a rat? Hmmm... maybe there was a different way. I might detail my theory later, but it would be interesting.
I'm curious about your theory, because to me it really looks like there was an insider. I'll be waiting for your details :)Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
It's definitely not conclusive, and I kind of see holes in it. It was more a theory as I was listening, which then started to get less likely through the progression. But basically it delved into Latch's (unstated) background. His nickname insinuates that he was the one who broke into Burt's store (Locked & Loaded, not the tower). If the Maulers/Mallers had coordinated an attack with the tattooed one, they could have broken in, and stolen equipment, talked on the radio, etc. However, once they found the stolen goods, it seemed a lot less likely. I definitely enjoyed the thought that everyone is chasing a rat that doesn't exist.
I voted for Angel, mainly due to his relationship with Scratch. Their relationship is more than suspicious, and the fact that he appears to be very, very street wise (See his hotwiring skills) for someone who appears to have been groomed to go through Officer's School. Scratch seems to be much too familiar with Angel for their relationship to have been a passing thing.
I voted for Pegs... *chuckling in the corner
Please make it true, KC, and then we could Taser her again...or you could throw in an Iron Maiden like Nikvoodoo recommended. I like his style. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I said it before and will say it again!
It Was Saul, Dammit!
I'm not completely sure who it is, but my gut is telling me that Kelly is the one, even though I like her now.
And I still say Datu is the only one who had a motive and was the only person not heard from at the party.
I think if we haven't seen the reveal of the traitor by the end of Chapter 20, we should close this thread and take a re-vote on the topic now that everyone has made 11 pages worth of comments and arguments and see if anything has changed.
I continue to withhold my vote, could it be that Bill was the rat and someone else starting firing what sounded like a pistol, five rounds were fired one breaking a windshield.
Could Bill have stolen a weapon when he took all the supplies, thus planning to initiate the war with his new contacts?
Did Bill know about The Mallers from any previous briefings? It is obvious that he was at the stolen supplies meeting, he coughed during the dramatic tower meeting.
If we assume he know nothing of their existence and somehow happened across the CB channel one night then we are assuming far too much...
Could it be Paul?
Could it be a somehow captured and cooperating Saul?
Ch. 1 had Riley receiving a pistol and who knows what happened to it after that fact...
EDIT!!** She sleeps with it close by and even drunk is ready to use it.
Could she have??**
As much as I hate to say this, I think it may have been Burt. These are the reasons:
They stole his property and that really pissed him off.
He is a soldier to the core and probably feels the need to deal with his enemies through any means possible. In my experience, people who are willing to give their lives for their fellow citizen, don't care much for criminals.
He enjoys the fighting and things were getting a little mundane. Keep in mind Burt doesn't have a lot to lose (at least he thought he didn't).
I believe Bill took the items on his own because he has a solo survivalist mentality and was just making sure he wouldn't have to rely on anyone if things went seriously south. Burt was very proud of Bill's sacrifice during the war and may have thought Bill's (and Tommy's) death was his fault.
Bill may have tipped off the maller's before he knew of the party and the lack of ammo.
I might have to agree with you on that one, there is alot to catch up on if you're new to the forums. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Plus I think i might wanna change my vote.
Manintrees: Those're all reasons that burt would've fired the first shot. That doesn't mean he informed the mallers about the party, among other things. In fact, while he often disagreed with decisions, I'm sure he preferred living with that over a war that he knew would be really really bad for them. He's smart enough to know the odds.
I suggested that he may have tipped off the mallers before he knew of the party. The last thing Burt would have wanted was his troops to be inebriated.Quote:
Originally Posted by cPT.cAPSLOCK
I have changed my mind about Burt being the rat. 1. I really like Burt and 2. After I made that post I remembered that there were shots fired from an unknown source. These shots kicked off the battle and did not come from Burt.
This is a complete aside, but I think Micheal fumbled the initial discussion with the mallers before the war started. The mallers could never have been trusted but Micheal could have been a little more diplomatic at the start as prisoners stereotypically have irrational respect issues.
If it was me, I would have totally said....actually I would have probably been hiding under a bed weeping with fear...forget it.
Okay, here's what I think. Saul has the most going against him. He has met the Mallers before and had the radio (or was that a different radio, I don't know) they could of told him in advance about that station.
However, I doubt this. He doesn't seem like the type to do this.
I think it's possible two people were working together. Datu is suspicious to me, he knew where the supplies were at, he claimed Bill put them there but what if he did? He doesn't have motive however.
Kelly has motive but for the sake of her survival doesn't seem like the type.
Honestly, almost everyone has something against them on this. So most are a possibility. I don't pine any of the soldiers as the type, they're all too intelligent or untrusting to do that. This includes Burt.
Kalani, Bill, Datu, Kelly, and Pegs are whom i suspect out of all the ones listed. We don't know much about Kalani at the time this started and Pegs seems too trusting of other people and may have found a way to contact them. They didn't recognize her voice, unless you believe that they did and just didn't claim so, to make her look like she wasn't the culprit. However, I doubt this, what reason would the Mallers keep the secret once they've gotten what they wanted?
I say the most likely is Datu. But something is off about this whole thing. If I suspect one person, each time, there's another reason to go against it. Either not knowing how to contact the Mallers, having no reason to trust them or anything.
Which is why I think it could have been more than one person.
But who? I can't make a choice. Most of them are too suspicious in my eyes.
This is, however, fiction. Logic doesn't really have to apply. They could make it Michael if they wanted to and think up some random reason for it that we never knew about or had any indication of.
However, this being said, it could be anyone. Some have motive, some had means of contact. I don't recall anyone who had motive AND means of contact.
Unless, of course, someone accidentally found them on the radio. But who knows. I'll hold out for the answer.
I was going to say Angel because there is a definite link between him and Scratch. He detests the mallers a little too much and is quite linked with them somehow
Maybe someone just got drunk and messed around with the radio?
Maybe someone got drunk and has blacked out doing it?
Maybe the Mallers overheard the party on the radio by accident and all their information comes from listening and taking notes?
If Tommy died as the result of Kelly's betrayal, that would be a strong motive for change on her part.
Why didn't Durai know about Pegs?
Maybe the mallers bugged the place and there was no rat! But a weakness in this theory is that they should've known Pegs' voice, unless the bug was somewhere that she never went.
I can't see the rat being anyone whose narrated thus far...
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the mallers KNEW that the tower was inebriated, and burt couldnt have been the one to fire the shots, because he was in the room at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by manintrees
I like the idea of someone very strong, and very intelligent being the mole, and i would like him/her to have their own agenda, the mole does not work for the mallers, the mole doesnt work for the tower, maybe there's more than one mole, but i like the idea of a super playa kind of mole who has his/her own agenda maybe rise to power in the tower *cough* kalani *cough*
maybe kelly but i'd rather it be a very headstrong intelligent character, rather than saul (who's kind of a dumbass, sweet and lovable, but not the sharpest tool in the shed) or angel (why the hell would angel do that? seriously, BRING IT, i have an entire fan club of angel fanatics now, you hate on angel you answer to us!!!)
i also like datu as the mole, cause screw that guy
just before Bill dies, he says "sorry" . what was he sorry about?
For sure the food, he knew about that.
He may have wanted to be in some form of control over the situation, maybe he just didn't trust anyone who was left behind at the Tower when all the mgmt was away...
Could he have called the Maulers?
Sure.
Why would he would be the question.
He owes Michael & Krew his life after that infection bit.
Who doesn't have a cover story?
If it's a random character and not a main character, I will be like WTF!?
Very few people are left to be suspicious of at this point, yet a few people stand out.
Hard to say..
The Rat was the dude that tried to make a break for it and ended up worm food! I can't remember what his name was though.
I wish I could copy/paste my old message from the other board before it went down.
Anyway I believe there's several people doing things at once. Most of the main characters were out of the Tower except for a few. By the time they came back Suit Zombie was playing around on the floor where Burt's gun shop is. Whoever stole the guns had to be working with someone else in order to move them all quietly in the timeframe they were given since Burt had just left to go rescue Michael. That person also had access to a key to open the locks. Lizzy was with Paul looking at the alarms. Pegs says she was on the roof and then checked on Riley's shop after it had been looted. Note that she says Kelly informed her of this first. Anyone could have stolen food, even the no name extras. All it takes is for people to realize no one is there to stop them. The only people whose whereabouts are not accounted for are Tommy, Kelly, and Bill.
I believe Kelly was the informant but I'm still unsure if she's the gun thief. At the time she had reason to dislike Michael and his leadership. She could have attempted to use the Maller's as a way to remove Michael from power and cut a deal for her and Tommy. She also may have been working with Bill in moving the weapons in hopes that Michael would surrender having no other choice. If that is true, her plan backfired on her and the guilt sparked her change of heart in the end.
Datu wasn't at the party (right?).
The ol' Datster is emotionally charged and I think it would be an easy target for a member of the Mallers to turn. I'm guessing he was the one who fired those shots that got the whole thing started.
Having said that, the apology from Bill is unsettling. I really hope it wasn't Bill. I like that guy.
Click here to read about what itchy trigger fingers combined with nervousness can do:
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I vote Kelly. (I've only listened through Ch. 11-III so far). What makes me think it was her is that she tried to get Tommy kicked out right before hand, when Burt found the food that Reiley had given Tommy because he could eat it. She was trying to get Tommy to safety before the Mallers came. Then later while Burt was at the Party she must have slipped down to give the message, taking advantage of the fact that she could pull rank so to speak on Tommy. I think she was trying to get Burt to drink too.