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I think Victor must have made a bad decision in some way and this is not just a personal thing.
When victor apologises Michael says
It sounds like Victor froze in the heat of battle, and in Michael's mind he is a liability.Quote:
Michael: "Look Vic, now more than ever I need people who.. " he stops short of saying "I can trust"
Michael: "Well this is a soldiers job"
Victor: "But I know what I'm doing"
Michael: "I already gave you a shot"
Victor: "I know"
Michael: "Sorry Vic, I can't risk having you out there again, it's not fair to the other soldiers." because Vic might get them killed?
Although Victor has been fine in battle in the past, maybe it's that he missed something and a zombie snuck up on his side or something.
I know, but a quality podcast is worth waiting 2 weeks for...
My sentiments exactly! Datu has be survive. Otherwise how can he be proclaimed King when the US West Coast is repopulated by colonists from the Philippines?
I'm hoping that what we heard was Datu getting knocked down by a Little One, that then turned its attention back to Glenn and Jay. After all, we suspect that the zombies are all pretty hungry, and this way the Little One gets a two-course meal, followed by having Datu for dessert.
I'm still hopeful that Datu didn't get infected. But if he did then I like your scenario.
I think the door is open for something like this. My hope is that Burt and Riley are going to arrive and distract the Little One, giving Datu the opportunity to get the Mata Gun back and kill it.
@ 16:45 it sounds like the mata-gun to me. I can imagine Datu laying on his back fumbling around for the gun and just as the little one lunges, Datu gets the shot off and has to push the body off of him.
Hate to say it. I like datu, and jay(actor not character)...but datu needs to die.
shit, SOMEBODY needs to die (from the original core group)...its season four already...the "O.T." people need some loss. Just my .02 on datus survival.
Ok so here is what I think happens........
Datu closes the gate.
Glen gets attacked. Glen down.
Jay or whoever gets attacked. Jay down.
While that is happening Datu is shooting his pistol.
Datu is backing away from a zombie saying "please please"
A Zombie attacks Datu and gets impaled.
Lands on tops of Datu.
Another Zombie says "Get up". Probably talking to his zombie buddy.
The Zombie "attacks" Datu, but is really only getting his zombie friend who didn't "get up"
Datu screams thinking this is the end.
Instead of biting Datu the Zombie takes his zombie buddy and then hears a noise.
The Zombie runs off into the rain with his zombie buddy.
This is the part where we hear the strange noise/beeping/engine. More beeping. More engine. More beeping. Engine dying down.
Soooo.............
#1 - The windmill was making the noise and then powered down. (Don't think this is the case, because the windmill is water powered not engine powered, and wasn't making that noise earlier when they started it)
#2 - Someone pulled up in a vehicle and scared away the remaining Zombie. (If this is true............ Who is in the vehicle???)
A) Another Colony member sent out to help speed things along?
B) Ink himself? Coming to recruit Datu the master mechanic?!?!?
C) Scratch? Coming to make sure she gets a few more glorious moments??
D) Burt/Riley? Not likely but maybe they were coming back to the colony?
I think somehow Datu is still alive, Not bitten. Yes, there is not a journal entry.... but, this could also be that Datu is taken by an unfriendly from the above list........ or Datu is saved by a friendly but immediately after knowing he is safe, Datu collapses or something..... a lot has happened to our poor repair man in this epic tale.......
This is such a confusing episode.....What did Victor do for Michael to distrust him? Did Datu just get infected and will now die? WHAT IS GOING ON???? These questions......The ending had me filled with emotions to what the hell was going on....? It sounded like Datu was at least bitten if not completely munched on...
Michael caught Victor and Pegs messing around in the Cow Stables and the whole story turns into a really bad love triangle of trying to find out who's baby it is, with CJ acting as Maury!!! :omgomg:
This is my new best guess on what went down with Datu. Assuming that only one little one attacked them.
Datu and Jay are out of the car and closing the gate while Glen pulls the car through.
Glen is attacked in the truck and scratched. Glen starts to turn.
Jay shoots little one several times with the Mata gun and finaly kills it, but is attacked by the now turned Glen. Jay (still wearing the mata gun) begins to turn.
Datu is attacked by Glen, and the pistol is knocked from his hands somehow. Glen falls upon Datu who impales him with a pipe (seen in episode artwork) or something.
The now turned Jay pursues Datu. ZombJay is still wearing the heavy matagun and is slowed down a bit. Somehow ZombJay is killed after a shuffling sound. Maybe Datu strangles him with the air hose of the Matagun.. I don't know.
My last though is that the beeping and the humming sound could somehow be Datu filling up the pressure tank of the Matagun so he can defend himself.
Can't even begin to guess what is going to happen, but all i can say is, if this was a trap and not coincidence, Datu needs to break this habit of falling into Z-Traps...
I think Michael may harbour some resentment toward Victor because he with-held the truth about Angel's death. Either that, or something happened during the end of season 3 with the battle vs the mallers at the colony.
Just looked at the album artwork after TRiver_Rat mentioned it and it looks like on the right side of the picture there is a truck with a boom or crane arm on the back. My guess is there is where the beeping is coming from.
Someone better FanFic this.
Hey, it's an emotional time! And those aren't tears, there's just something in my eye...yeah, that's it...
I've lost the post now, but whoever suggested Bricks might be Austin McWhotsit, I think that's my favourite theory. Victor only saw him once, at a distance, when he was concentrating on other things (Lizzy, mainly), so it would make sense for him to recognise him but not be able to put his thumb on it.
Victor last saw Gatekeeper with his whole face around 8/9 months ago, and with his scarred, bandaged face around 4/5 months ago. It's easy to forget faces when you haven't seen them in several months, and when you don't think about them. Saul forgot what Lizzy's face looked like after 5/6 months of her being captured, and he thought of her likely most of the time....
I like the idea. But I don't think it will be gatekeeper.
I'm not sure if we know how long Victor was at the Colony. But we know that every time he went in or out he had to be inspected by Gatekeeper. Victor would know him very well.
Everyone is stating that Michael and co. would recognise Austin as either Gatekeeper or Marcus.....But the fact is, last time Michael and the others saw him (besides Victor) was when they escaped the colony back in July, when its now (March?) the next year.
Besides, it would be pointless to include new information about old characters when they're already dead......
Perhaps Saul could not remember Lizzy's face from memory but if he saw her picture do you think he wouldn't instantly recognize it? I see it being the same with Gatekeeper, he may never think about him and might not be able to fully describe every nuance of his face, but seeing his photo, I am sure he would instantly remember who it was.
I think Saul was just being mushy!!!!
I'm sure there are probably people that many of us haven't seen in years...... (High School, old Coworkers, etc) but they would walk past you today and you would say "Oh wow... that is Billy/Sally Whatever"
I think it may be someone from the Original Colony, but I don't think it is Gatekeeper.
So far we have Cohen from 40-1 and now McKibbin from 40-3.
I think we are starting to piece together Ink's little New World Order crew from before the explosion!!!
My only thought with it being Bricks is why? Bricks is dead and gone, what could we get or learn about bringing him back up now? Could be possible, and you never can tell with the mind of KC working on it, but I can't see how tying Bricks back into the story somehow would add anything... I'm betting that finding out who the person is will be less important than finding out how them and Ink might be related in some way.
I have a feeling McKibbin is Tardust. Not sure why, it just makes sense for him to be a secondary character that is still alive in my mind.
Yep, this. There's a big difference between not being able to call someone's face to mind, and not recognising their face when you actually see it. I think Victor would be so familiar with Gatekeeper's face that he'd know him straight away - unless he was quite different for some reason. Maybe fatter, thinner, plus/minus facial hair? No, I don't think it's Gatekeeper.
Aaaand that's a very good point, so now I don't think it's Bricks either. Hmmm....
My Take aways...
1) Ink isn't crazy. Kelly said "He must have had a heck of a lawyer". This fits with the odd statement of "He can make himself have episodes" that a lot of us said was odd. That added with "He needs to be kept alone". Seems that it was just a lawyer protecting a client and doing his job. He is nuts so we plead insanity... and BTW... we need to keep him away from the other crazys. Kelly even said it was not a crazy man's attack. Also may fit what Puck said about OJ. "His guilty Ass sat here?". Maybe a subtle jab/hint. Lots of evidence, but a good lawyer. All in all seems that Ink just played at being crazy to get an insanity plea.
2)Datu... not touching that yet. Listened at work so I had a real hard time following the attack. I will listen at my house with my nice headphones. As it stands I can't comment on it due to having a hard time hearing it.
3) I think KC said in a post that the Victor thing happened in the 4 month gap. Based on what what little we know, it sounds like he just messed up in the field and Michael would rather have Soilders. I don't think it was freezing. He has held his own a lot. Thinks very clear under fire. Sense we saw him at the begining he has handled himself well under fire. All in All, one of the best in the series. Saved Lisa in a gun fight, did very well when the Tower and Colony was attacked, even when we met him and he was getting to the safe house. My gut is that he didn't listen and did his own thing in the field. Michael likes his Soidlers b/c the listen.
4) The Austin guy Victor reconized. We know a few things.
a) Victor Knows Him
b) Michael, Kelly, Tanya do not.
There are only a few people that atleast Michael, Tanya, and Victor doesn't know together. From a story stand point they need to be alive IMO. If they had info we would never know b/c they are dead. So why mention them? If it was just to show backstory then why show it? It doesn't move the plot forward. From a story standpoint it does nothing to find out that it was Durai, Latch, Gatekeeper, Marcus, or anyone. They are dead. Does it matter why Bricks was in jail? Not really. Most it can do is tie Ink to The Families. Even then very weakly. Both being on trial the same day doesn't do much as far as a link goes. That means for the sake of the story the person needs to be alive to push the plot forward.
Only a few people that only Victor would know. Gatekeeper would be known by all three. Marcus would be known by all three. That and they are dead. So it would serve no reason for it to be them. Only people that Victor would know, and not any of the others, would be the Mallers. Also needs to be someone we know. Again, for story sake. My guess is a Maller that is still alive.
My Guess is that it is Tardust. We only know a few Mallers by name. Only two are not confirmed dead. Scratch and Tardust.
Austin...
Victor saw Bricks with Lizzy. He could easily have murdered someone with he bare hands.
He may have seen Tardust on the video of Angel's death and in the crowd before Durai is murdered. I could see Tardust as a pyro, maybe got nailed for murder, but would probably also have arsonist mentioned
Does Latch look enough like Scratch? Latch says Scratch would probably been on death row, unless he took the fall, right? But, scratch calls him John. Murder and death row go together, but name is not right.
There was a maller named Johnny that got burned in the war. However, since that seems like a name rather than a knickname, he might have been a slave. We do hear someone yelling for a Johnny in the commotion in season 3 when the mallers are overthrown. Name does not seem to match.
The colony had someone we called supervisor, right? Bixby gets a shovel to the face. Supervisor talks to Michael. Maybe Michael does not make the connection, victor might have seen him more often. Isn't that the same voice that plots to murder Marcus and is overheard by Pegs?
Sheesh, isn't the story complicated enough? In chapter 40 we get a Cohen who smuggled in the pens. Just pens r gogo juice for ink? Nick rivers. A councillor. Probably nothing until you remember that our pregnant therapist wants to call her son Nicholas. Now, Victor recognizes Austin tagged with murder.
Doh late to the party. I don't think it's any of the Colony guys, cuz Tanya would know them.
Hi.
@Verse: I think you are right about what went wrong between Michael and Victor in the time gap.
During this whole episode it struck me odd that really none did speak of or at least mention Riley and Burt. So here is my take:
Burt and Riley found somethind during the four months. This caught Michael's and Victor's (and others') attention. Shit - fan - you know the drill. And in this episode tragedy struck, and Victor had his take on it. Worst case: Thanks to something foolish he had done Victor might be held at least partially responsible for something bad that might have happened - like for example the death of Burt and/or Riley, or the bail out (again) by Scratch. / edit: but it must be something small, since Victor says that none got hurt .../edit
That is why I would expect chapter 41 to travel back in time to about the time in which Victor's actions might have turned against the ones he was supposed to help ...
Best wishes!
Liam
If it were someone from the colony, I think Victor would have recognised them easier. I still believe he recognises the picture from someone he encounteted prior to z-day, and the revelation will out the truth about his real job and circumstances pre z-day.
As for Datu, its kinda odd that he wasn't killed whereas Glenn and the other guy were. Either the assailant (was it a little one?) wanted to keep him alive for bait, or recognised a degree of immunity in him, only time will tell. Shame we have to wait so long.