Yeah it's not impossible I edited my post a bit, but I added the reason I think it's somewhat real time is because we hear Kelly's typing in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
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Yeah it's not impossible I edited my post a bit, but I added the reason I think it's somewhat real time is because we hear Kelly's typing in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
8 pages of awesome in about 5 hours- and most of it within 3 hours since release of #40-2 ...
Keep things rolling, guys! 20 more to go in order to get even with the discussions on #40-1 ... ! Gogogogo!
I doubt she'd alter the intries, especially not if the person WHO wrote it is dead. I rather think that she just makes a few "...."'s here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
I'm thinking you are hearing the other people yelling and screaming in order to emphasize the fact that Roberts just stood there and let himself get bit......Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Because he knew everything was going to be alright... and everything was going according to his master plan!!!
I got to thinking. We do not even know if the Haze has anything to do with the Zombies. Just some sort of Gas released. If the gas caused the Zombies then they would be able to all breath the air there. But they can not. So something is amiss with it all.. Still not sure what to think anymore about how the outbreak started.
Still Think Michael survives this..
Again WHERE THE HELL IS BURT AND RILEY..
I bet his knew gun is called Riley instead of Shirley They both end with Ley (Pun intended.. you go Burt :D ) so maybe Burt hooks up with Riley after spending over 4mths alone with her.. OOOHHHH.. Never know...
Who says they can't breathe there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
We / some of us only assume it. When Saul and Victor were at Ground Zero, there was nothing going on. I think there were dead bodies, right? At least they did not encounter any moving monster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Now, with #40-2 we have a hint that at least Little Ones don't seem to have (so much) trouble with the haze.
And if Tanya's as well as the communitie's understanding is correct and Tanya and Saul are ready-to-pop-zombs, then we are well enough informed to assume that them zombs should not have any trouble with the haze ...
So after all: More points speaking in favor of the theory that the haze and the zombs are a perfect match, while humans and haze should split asap ...
Oh man! What a great episode.
The "Jaws" style air tank defense was awesome. The suspense in the scene with Victor and Tanya were awesome. Learning that Tanya and Saul can breath the haze with no (apparent) effect is informative. Given what some others pointed out in this thread about how the haze seems to have affected different people in different ways - some people felt sick, some (at least one) turned, no reaction for the Tink family - I'm really wondering what we have here. Since everyone we "the listeners" have witnessed come in contact to the haze (other than Saul/Tanya) have violent reactions that I would label involuntary or reflexive I would say that Saul and Tanya are not only "immune" to it but have also had some sort of physiological change that neutralizes the reflex/gag/cough reactions. That would back up Tanya/s claims of the body being changed almost immediately after the process (whatever it is) starts. That's some powerful stuff to chew on methinks....
The scene with CJ and Pegs was kinda cool, IMO. Mainly because we see the side of CJ that's not just "f'n do it NOW!" We see the concerns she has and the stress. Mainly, we get confirmation that the "wait out the siege" mentality of the Colony isn't gonna cut it. For me anyway, CJ's scene actually strengthens Michael's quest to take out the enemy. The Colony won't make it as long as there is an active enemy out there... Obviously CJ isn't in that camp yet because she is still thinking Michael's operations are wasteful. I'm not thinking the Colony is going to remain intact for too many more Chapters (maybe 2 more?).
The courthouse was cool. A little creepy without being over the top. Learned that Kelly was in probate and not criminal law. That would probably mean that if she has any legal involvement with Ink pre-Zday, it might be in the execution of the estate of one or more of his victims (his wife, her lover, or the rest of the family). I think there isn't a pre-Z tie for them, though...
OJ's court room and Puck's comments - priceless..... :D
Same for the intra-journal comments between Michael and Kelly.
Ink - wow!
We have new info but do we have anything we can work with? Well, Ink is not patient Zero - I'm not sure most of ever thought he was, though. He broke out of the van. That means greater physical strength than normal biters from the get go for Ink. He didn't have to do anything special to earn dominance over normal biters. He just "had it" from the beginning. He was turned, as far as we can tell so far, and by a normal biter, again as far as we can tell, and that normal biter seemed to be doing normal biter things. I didn't hear anything that made me think the 3 attacking the van were acting any differently than others on Zday that we have heard of.
I'm moving more and more into the camp that Ink knew something was coming and was preparing for it. His not crying out/screaming or otherwise acting terrified that monsters were attacking him adds to that thought. The symbols of his tats or something injected into his system (or a combination of things) some how made him turn differently. My thinking at this point is that it has something to do with chemicals and Roberts' work at Raydon. The ink pens used for the tats had some Roberts special cocktail in them. The tattooing led the cops to kick off another investigation at Raydon, thus the new (and still up) police tape on the office. The special cocktail in Ink now interacts with the zombie "stuff" and makes one very special zomboid....
Ok. That's it for now. I'm gonna listen again later and may have something else to add... Or not.... :)
I think this assumption was made during the first visit to Ground Zero by Saul and Victor. Saul and Victor did not see any zombies or anything living for that matter, so I think that lead to the thoughts that nothing human/animal/zombie could be in the haze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Just for the record, the OJ Trial was held at the Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center, which is where the high-profile cases are tried in LA County. It's located at 210 West Temple Street, downtown Los Angeles. It's about 5 miles from Inglewood. The only thing we've seen so far that might be near the Courthouse is the Water Works, which some sources guess is located a couple of blocks from the Courthouse (but that location has never been confirmed).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_S...Justice_Center
Ok, crackpot:Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
William I Roberts was an eco-activist fighting against fracking. He found out that at Inglewood "Hell" would break loose, which is why he developed a cocktail of medical stuff that should help him to get past a fracking explosion or something. Because he had access to some geo-information devices and scientists he had a decent idea about when things would probably start to blow up. So he tossed this crazy mixture into his bloodlines and down his throat. That drove him so crazy and mad that he lost control over his mind and he went on a killing spree ... Thenhe was put into custody. And when he was delivered to the court, the nightmare he prepared himself for broke loose - the Fracking facilities at Inglewood exploded and created the first spawns of the zombocalypse. And the bitter irony of all this shit is that Ink was successfully avoiding death, and the mixture of medication combined with what he wanted to fend off made him more powerful - although, admitted, the Inglewood-side-effects were handed over to Ink by three zombs. So his "eco-enemy" (fracking) made him even more powerfull ...
This would be an incredible spin off for "Toxix Avenger" ...
Best wishes!
Liam
Which in return means: Ink was turned into a zombie when the zombie-onslaugt was already in its at least 2nd hour or something ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
HOLY SMOKE GUYS! 10 pages already? The episode is only 4 hours old.
Yeah, after the start of season #4 we just needed a couple of episodes to get back into forum-activity-shape ... And here we are ... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Good question. The guy they spoke with on Lynnwood avenue didn't feel it. They are relatively close.Quote:
Originally Posted by skankyfish
No, that's Battlestar Galactica. hehehe :D Just kidding. Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Thou canst not stop us, thy fool, just try! Thy brain will be eaten by Ink's army before thou wilt even be close to us...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Or not... But yeah, it's crazy! I love it though, always nice to read others thoughts about the latest episode. :D
To quote Pink Floyd: Keep talking
Good point about the ant theory. They don't attack there own and they show deference towards others like Ink and smart ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
The first few episodes were never meant to be "Theory-riddled", more or less to take care of the pieces left over from the previous season, and start to set up the last one before we made that 4 month jump. So, as much as people were like "This is slow... blah blah." it was entirely necessary before we got to these moments.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
True, but I feel it might be a mistake to think that "we" would react the same as "them". That doesn't give much of anything away, or hints, just "helping".Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
Going pre-industial. It's like CJ doesn't even look at that as an option. Even Pegs is offering old world solutions to some of the problems mentioned. At first I thought CJ was jealous at not being the superstar savior that Pegs is becoming. "Go Pegs!" But, she seems genuinely concerned. Maybe she's concern for keeping her own usefulness.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
CJ does share a concern that I also have, and that is the possibility of contamination of above ground water supplies by the rotting human & Z corpses. Other than that, it might be wise to let Micheal take the fight to Ink and the Inklings because they are more difficult to deal with. Get rid of them and wait out the regulars. Once the tough ones are gone then the need for the gas guzzling gun trucks would lessen.
This is why I am sooo glad I stopped lurking and got involved finally.
I did not catch that the Kelly/Michael thing may have been her doing an Edit. Relistening to that one part makes me 110% in thought she did. Even the way "Michael" talked/joked sounded like something Kelly would say or add. That is a great find. Even hearing keystrokes. Great catch.
Yeah, we all assumed that the Biters could not breath the Haze. If they can (and at this point I think they can) then there has to be another reason why they stayed away so long.
My guess is that the Haze screws with them. That could be the reason why #7 attacked the normal. The Haze messing with their mind. Make it so they are not controled or in control. Ink stayed away because while there the Biters are independent. Maybe #7 attacking the normal was because of a slow leak there. Kinda like how animals know a natural disaster is coming. The Haze was not out enough to cause issues with Victor, but enough that those that are effected (Fully Turned Biters) turn on each other. If I am right... then Ink cleared the place out before hand. Had #7 guard it (Like he had the one guarding Raydon), and the slow leak started right before the tremor. If the Haze makes them aggressive... then that may explain why he attacked the normal.
That could also explain why the ones in Hawaii were more aggressive (As told by Kalani). Being a Volcaneo and bigger vents made them much more aggressive. My guess is that Tanya will find that out now that she has samples.
Beating a Dead Horse.... but maybe Ink didn't fight because he was hopped up on drugs? If he was so dang nuts and had to be treated to keep from flying off the handle (even at will), maybe he was drugged up to his eye balls. Him being crazy mixed with the "Lets not be Crazy" pills kept him calm during the turning and after the turning. Even though there is more and more evidence that Ink knew what the crap was about to happen... I still think it was just a happy coincidence. The odds are stacking against it, but you never know.
Sorry for me the turning of Ink was not a coincidence and neither are the explosions in Inglewood. Ink is a crazy ZA mastermind. New world order. Just a gut feeling.
You have a very good and interesting point by throwing in the parallel to Kalani'S report about the more aggressive zombs on Hawaii ... So, yeah, probably the haze affects the zombs to a certain degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
As for #7 attacking the standard biter: I guess this is just the normal "eating"-thing comparable to what Skittles reported about the Behemoths eating biters ... The Little Ones are very powerfull, and they need a lot of food to keep working or functioning or whatever word suits best for zombs ... But I could also think of Little Ones or special ones being used to "defend" the Groudn Zero territory against anything trying to get too close ... But this idea lacks the important fact that over the time the survivors were able to get into the area several times without getting in touch with zombs; also the Little Ones weren't there in the beginning to defend anything. So I guess the lack of zombs in the beginning might have been caused simply by food having run away ... And the ones that were scattered around ... Well at some point in time the bodies were collected ...
Ok I just relistened to this episode......
When they are watching the video of Ink getting bit...... Kelly says that the zombies just all of a sudden stopped.
Now we already know that Tanya was bitten by not that deep, because she stopped the zombie before it got too deep.......... and then we know Saul was possibly infected from the gunshot but not an actual bite.........
So the Question/Thought........ Is a Bite not just a Bite??? Are there multiple stages to an actual bite?? Seems to me that the Zombie bites are almost like snake bites..... Most people are getting a full dose of whatever is causing them to change........ but some are quick enough or lucky enough to only get a small dose and either become slow turners.... or whatever we want to call Saul/Tanya/Ink......
Mh ... From a variety of reports as well as "ear-whitnessing" we know that turning may take place within seconds (Ramon), over a couple of minutes (Tommy) or even longer (Amy) and much longer (the first Little One attacking Boulder). It is safe to assume that there is no fix value. Different factors may interact here - the type of wounding, the amount of infection, the individual's bodyly functions and medical stage etc. It is quite safe to assume that biters infect by biting, while Little Ones infect by scratching or wounding with the fingernails ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
I KNEW you would post this info. Also, from the last episode, Micheal reads that he was being transported from to the courthouse from the L.A. County Jail. Which one? I thought perhaps if he was being transferred from the Hollywood jail then that would take him through Ingelwood at around the time of the outbreak. But that wouldn't explain why no on else in the van was affect the same way. I was thinking that if he was turned there or exposed there then the Zs would see him differently from others, but this doesn't seem to be a workable idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
It looks like we're gonna need a lil more information before we can piece together a clearer picture, but the speculation is fun too. Especially when you're surprised.
:tinfoil: Perhaps something from ground Zero was a key ingredient in Ink's Homeopathic HGH.
HGH? What's that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
So, did anyone else catch the fact that the haze was gone when they got there and it later returned? It's not constant.
Also, what about that rain storm? Didn't hear it anywhere else. Are the events taking place at different times, or is the storm 'localized' like the earthquake?
Human Growth Hormone. I was being a bit facetious. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
WAAAQuote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Heh. Call out the WAAAmulance. ;)
I almost started to feel sorry for her and hate her less, but she kind of cranked the pity party up to 11. She's like Eeyore without the adorable charm. Stop whining and start getting creative, woman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
So...not gonna lie, I feel like this entire episode was directed at me.
more on that later. Good stuff so far everybody
The Haze
So, is it just some quasi-natural phenomena? The Earth just burped or something. I use Quasi because humans may have been fracking, pumping crap down to force the natural gas up and out. Crap just happened and not a deliberate murder of humanity. I find it interesting that there is a thunderstorm in the area. Does the approach of the low pressure system help to coax some of the last gas out of the Earth and into the atmosphere.
I see another possibility that I have had since the beginning, is it an area denial weapon? Something defensive to keep others away. We should not forget that the gas returned after a gunshot. Even the low tech surveillance system of the tower had video and sound. The normal biter was sniffing around the truck, heck it might have followed them into the area.
EDIT. I should also include the Apocolyptic Cult. I have had it for a while. It is just hard to believe that the Earth burped corpse gas at so many different places about the same time.
The haze clearly has a broad spectrum of effect. We know there is something different about Saul and Tanya so that is most likely, but we have to keep an open mind. If Pegs is from Venus and Victor is from Mars, may be the gas is designed to keep aliens away. Nah, I said open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out. But, you get the idea.
Now for my :tinfoil: We see Ink get attacked and we think he got turned, but we know he is special. His crew uses fire in the arena and that is tool use. He also has clear green eyes. Now, get crazy! Did Ink infect the normal biters with something in him? Their behavior is clearly changed. Is it just he is a smart person? Scientist really are not known for their awesome charisma.
Well Ink did break open the van door or hatch so all of sudden he did get zombie type strength, so he is no longer human. I still think he is partially turned but more than Tanya and Saul. The reaction of the two regular zeds to the new improved alpha Ink was very animalistic. I mean I know when you bring in a male dog in a female dog household, all of the sudden the previous she dog turns into Ms slave of the alpha male dog. So the reactions of the two regular zeds to Ink, kinda reminded me of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Re The Haze, dunno I think someone is messing with area and manipulating it. This could have been some sort of retaliation or mode of defensive against Victor and Tanya getting close to Ink's Dr Frankenstein lab perhaps underground....:tinfoil:
I thought I was losing my mind today at work when I heard Micheal say that Kelly was the beautiful princess. I had to come home and listen to again so I could actually hear what was said. So, then I remember Kelly is transcribing all the notes. Is transcribing them faithfully? I wonder?
I got he called her a Princess as a joke..
The tremor released a new pocket of the gas/haze. I am not sure if someone is creating that or not.
Sometimes I feel we are giving Ink too much credit.. I think he is just an opportunist and has enough back ground and apparently has retained enough of his human side to be able to do what he is doing.
Then again maybe they new about the pockets of gas and new ahead of time what would happen if it was released.. We will not know till we learn what his true profession was at Raydon.. Mad Scientist yes. Mad Scientist Genius, maybe. KC only knows.. hell maybe he is part of the NWO and this is the first steps in them taking over the world.
Just when I thought Victor had scored "zombie kill of the week" with the air tank assisted road rash, #7 gets back up.
When Tanya got on the radio for help, I was almost expecting Burt or Riley to answer the SOS.
I'm only on page 3. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
It did seem a bit odd that CJ insisted there would be no water without the "big ass generator". People got water from wells before electricity. She's not forward thinking either, what about solar power? Seems like it would be easier to hook up some solar panels to the pumps rather than try to build some wind powered pump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Clearly the haze came from #7 farting. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Did he break open the van door? It just said he kicked open the door, maybe the "3 regulars" broke the lock, then it wouldn't have been any trouble to kick it open. The flaw in that theory is that Ink would have most likely been shackled inside the van, how did he get loose from that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elisa
"At one point, it looked as if they'd got his arm." Did they really get his arm, or were they handing him a key?
Of course the 2 biters were just staring, you know he was looking pimp in that pinstripe suit. :D
