Chapter 35-2 The End is Near

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Originally Posted by itsallgoodie

Prediction, Victor will die by the end of the season. I don't want to see it happen, but I bet it does.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A

Enough said

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Originally Posted by cupcakezombie

Remember that Bixby died via a knife which sounds a lot like the handy work of one maller we all love to hate (well most of us love to hate, some just love :) ). It might not have taken much to get him to spill all he knew, or even Gatekeeper might have thought he would get away after telling secrets, only to be shot as he walked away.
I will have a re-listen to see if they knew anything that we can confirm.

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I think the most they got from Vic was they need the SATPhone, I don't remember him tell them for what.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Which is true and which I did not intent to question. But Hoff4d also wondered, why Behemoths would be together with other zeehs; and my reference to the Devil's Workshop was only meant to show: Behemoths and Regulars may share the same place at the same time, no matter what Skittles has observed.

Besides: It is pretty safe to assume that them zeehs act differently regarding the "tribe" or "group" they are in. So actually there is no reason not to assume that Randy might have control over his own group or maybe a part of the army of Ink's or or or ...
But: What does this help in fighting them zeehs? I guess - in the end, any zeeh is no better then any other zeeh ... Just shoot 'em ...

But with Beheomth(s) being part of the zeeh-group attacking The Colony, I am not so sure about the gates OR the walls protecting the place anymore ... That will be quite a mess ...

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ah...you seemed on the other side of the coin with your initial statement..now only witch doctor is wrong...as usual.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Which is true and which I did not intent to question. But Hoff4d also wondered, why Behemoths would be together with other zeehs; and my reference to the Devil's Workshop was only meant to show: Behemoths and Regulars may share the same place at the same time, no matter what Skittles has observed.

Besides: It is pretty safe to assume that them zeehs act differently regarding the "tribe" or "group" they are in. So actually there is no reason not to assume that Randy might have control over his own group or maybe a part of the army of Ink's or or or ...
But: What does this help in fighting them zeehs? I guess - in the end, any zeeh is no better then any other zeeh ... Just shoot 'em ...

But with Beheomth(s) being part of the zeeh-group attacking The Colony, I am not so sure about the gates OR the walls protecting the place anymore ... That will be quite a mess ...

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Yep, sound arguments, just trying to throw different observations into the mix. I recall the Z army storming into the hospital, but i don't recall them pointing out behemoths....however I dare not question anyones reference on here, as they're usually spot on. If you say Burt pointed 'em out, then he prolly did. I'll prolly give that chapter another listen later this week just for my own sanity.

However, if behemoths were in the mix going into the hospital, based on their tremendous size, how'd they fit in that building? Perhaps Randy took pity on the sobbing Behemoths left out of the party because their mere entry into the building would weaken the structure and said 'come with me guys, I'll give you somewhere you can flourish and not feel like outcasts'.....has been stalking our heroes a while until finally, the colony! A PLACE TO CONGREGATE WITH A PARK! NO ROOFS IN A PARK! Which is exactly where Behemoths prefer to run around and get their daily excersize and play with other behemoths

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

ah...you seemed on the other side of the coin with your initial statement..now only witch doctor is wrong...as usual.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I think the most they got from Vic was they need the SATPhone, I don't remember him tell them for what.

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Does Saul/Vic even KNOW they went to Ft. Irwin? I thought that was the point of the SATphone, to find out where salvation potentially is? I know he has suspicion based on the found patch in LA....but they never seem to really say "Yea, they definitely went to Ft. Irwin"....so the only info leaked to Gatekeet/Bixby, or even over the non-secure radios, is that they need SATphone parts....no? I could definitely be wrong, it just seems saul never really said out loud "We need to get to Ft. Irwin" at all this season?

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Originally Posted by osiris

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oh snap!

They knew the plan was Irwin, but they also knew if it was overrun Michael and the Michealets would have moved on to an unknown location.

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Originally Posted by GreggSz

They knew the plan was Irwin, but they also knew if it was overrun Michael and the Michealets would have moved on to an unknown location.

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Yea, I knew that would be a controversial post....I tried to reword it, but what I'm trying to say is, they only had a suspicion that Ft. Irwin was going to be a first try, so Vic and Saul never seemed to ever say the words "They probably went to Ft. Irwin" out loud, so as to not raise hope (I think)....I mean, even when they found the patch, Saul sounds pretty skeptical that its potentially from Irwin

for the record, I <3 witch doctor...


Now get out of my office.

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

for the record, I <3 witch doctor...


Now get out of my office.

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Now is not the time.

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Shit, meet fan.

Lit Treatise coming tomorrow...

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

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Shit, meet fan.

Lit Treatise coming tomorrow...

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Save me some time and insert cliffs at the beginning of your post.

Yeah after my initial panic attack last week I was pretty certain KC wasn't going to kill off CJ in between episodes - every real character's death has been a sombre or climactic scene taken place within one episode.

Sad about Gatekeeper and Bixby, honestly would that they were given a more proper sending off, but there are hints that we'll find out more about their deaths, ie: vis-a-vis Scratch. Besides, it seems that the whole point of this was to focus on the relationships between Victor, Saul, CJ, Lizzy and Burt, and essentially the Colony/Maller thing, after CJ's initial badass planning, was left to its own devices. And it really was their fight, it wasn't that of CJ's or Saul's and that's really how it should have been. People don't need a saviour, they need to save themselves - that's why some critics said Avatar was a terribly conservative movie, simply because it was all about the American guy saving everyone. I'm glad the Colonists, by and large, fought their own fight here. That said, of course they need CJ's help now, CJ's badass. Even if she loses her leg =(

KC this was simply a terrific episode. I'm so grateful it was so long (guessing this will be the longest episode in the longest chapter, eh? if the next one's 12 minutes I may have to take back what I'm saying here...), and you really dug into the characters here, it was enjoyable to hear. When Victor mentioned Angel I had to stop eating my breakfast, I was just so tense, waiting for what he was going to say. It was really powerful, really touching, and done with excellent style and class.

And it was funny! I loved the doped up CJ, and I absolutely loved the water bottle joke with Pete and Victor. Can I mention I'm so glad Greg Miller is still recording parts? Checking his youtube videos, he seems like he's doing well so thank god for that. After all, where would we be without Pete?

Randy being that biter would make sense, but wasn't Randy just a 'smart one', not an inkling? Maybe he could have evolved, but who knows. Still shocked we haven't seen Pinstripes yet, but I guess he'll make his appearance. Still, killer ending, didn't even think about the zombies. And then what was that wire mesh/gate opening sound at the very end, just after the zombies but before the credits? Is that important? We'll find out.

Seriously KC, amazing. To quote Otto, this truly was a brontosaurus burger with a side of whale slaw. This was the perfect episode.

Am I the only who actually wonders what a brontosaurus burger with a side of whale slaw would taste like...besides victory, and friendship that is?

Did anyone hear that zombie scream at the very end after the behemoths? It came after about 2 seconds of quiet and sounded like an advanced ink. What do you think.

Most horrific opener to date. The image of Scratch slashing up CJ's leg while the poor girl is writhing in pain is stuck in my brain. Bigsby and Gatekeeper fallen in battle...for as much as I wanted them dead in chapter 19...I shall mourn them. Also Bigsby did not die via something related to a shovel? I guess a knife is still a melee weapon.

Ok actually finished the episode now. Is Randy back? Did he come to help CJ? Long hair and beard...Michael didn't describe a tattoo but the One With The Markings could have added one in the last few months

The bearded zombie has to be Randy. But more importantly, i'm starting to think that there is a bit of a rivalry within the zombies! Randy vs Ink! Randy has a different way of doing things. The first time we hear of Randy's technique is in Ch 23-1 at about 11:00. Michael said that "they were massed together in a way we've never seen before". They work as more of a team. Ink's strategy seems to be to scatter lots of little ones and have them turn others randomly. Sure, they may have higher thinking power but it's still pretty random attacks. In a nut-shell, it seems like Randy's group have a better understanding of the act of war.
Oh... and they may just be they're own type of zombie. Victor discribed it as looking normal and pointed out its beard, as if that was something new. (Sorry if I'm putting out ideas that have already been thrown in but i haven't read through anything, i just started typing this post). These zombies are average height and average built i take is since victor didn't describe many features that would make a special one. I don't think we'll know what Michael knows about Randy until season 4.

Great episode! Its leading up to a great season finale with lots of unanswered questions. I love it!

There were behomeths in the hockey stadium with the rest of the zombies too, weren't there? Riley shot one in the eye. I thought I remember someone (maybe skittles?) saying something about Ink being in control of them all and that's why they could be around each other? I should probably relisten, maybe I'm just pulling this out of nowhere. But I bet randy is now ink's second in command.

Although, I think it's worth noting that saul ran off to cj first instead of lizzie.

Skittles assessments have already proven to be wrong regarding behemoths. However, it could be said that normal biters don't go near behemoths. Advanced ones (like Randy/TOWTM) seem to be able to make them coexist with biters.

I'm going back to my Burt isn't going to kill Scratch thing. Him surviving this and bringing himself even with the house as it were put Burt's survival back in play to me. I think he isn't out of the woods yet, but its hard to see how he goes now with the expressed reason for not breaking under Scratch torture.

The next time we see the Mallers, it's not going to be good. Not for our heroes like you might believe, but most likely the Mallers. They are small, weak, and have no place to go. They have no supplies, no place to hide, and they lost their cozy way of life because Scratch can't keep her knife in her pants and out of CJs leg, and Bixby's throat. The Mallers seem to be ok when they have groups to steal from/terrorize. Without that, they may lack a focus. Their time in this world is dwindling, and the zombies return to the storyline is the proof to me.

I saw back in the thread somewhere someone saying the double attack being coordinated. Remember that Irwin's attack is coincidental and caused by one turner in a group of survivors. The survivors ran to safety and brought the zombies. The apparent Randy led attack, while also coincidental to Pete leading them to the colony, is an orchestrated attack. Remember that behemoths, smart ones etc are new down south. The colony up against opponents they've never faced.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

The next time we see the Mallers, it's not going to be good. Not for our heroes like you might believe, but most likely the Mallers. They are small, weak, and have no place to go. They have no supplies, no place to hide, and they lost their cozy way of life because Scratch can't keep her knife in her pants and out of CJs leg, and Bixby's throat. The Mallers seem to be ok when they have groups to steal from/terrorize. Without that, they may lack a focus. Their time in this world is dwindling, and the zombies return to the storyline is the proof to me.

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I agree completely with this. There can't be more than a handful of Mallers left. I wouldn't surprised if they ended up scattering and we see Scratch on her own from now on as some kind of wild card, popping up when she sees an opportunity to attack and run. Or maybe she and Tardust could work together, but I don't see that partnership working out for any length of time.

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

Am I the only who actually wonders what a brontosaurus burger with a side of whale slaw would taste like...besides victory, and friendship that is?

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Originally Posted by HardKor

I agree completely with this. There can't be more than a handful of Mallers left. I wouldn't surprised if they ended up scattering and we see Scratch on her own from now on as some kind of wild card, popping up when she sees an opportunity to attack and run. Or maybe she and Tardust could work together, but I don't see that partnership working out for any length of time.

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yup. ^this makes three of us...there was a brief discussion of this last episode but my thinking is right about the same place yours is Kory...by the end of this season..scratch and tar..thats about it for mallers

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

I saw back in the thread somewhere someone saying the double attack being coordinated. Remember that Irwin's attack is coincidental and caused by one turner in a group of survivors. The survivors ran to safety and brought the zombies.

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I know the slow turner explanation is the most likely reason the convoy from Boulder was attacked by Inklings, But there's something about that idea that continues to bug me. We've never really seen a slow turner, just heard about them, and one in the convoy is so very convenient.

I kind of like the idea that this may have been the work of a different Inkling. Maybe one that headed out from LA tracking its brood mate that flew away two weeks earlier. One day it sees a convoy of cars, and launches an opportunistic attack. Sure, it's also very convenient, but to me it makes the Inklings feel a little less invincible.

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Originally Posted by wh33t

It would be interesting to know a little more about Randy. What do we know about him? Was he smart in life and therefor smart in death?

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But we do know that. He was one of the techies from Dunbar (Shawn said it in The 31st). And the snatch and grab he tried to pull on Tanya.

(i wonder if this was said already? so hard to follow thru so many posts only 7 hours after i last was in here)

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Originally Posted by deacon_tyler

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

I know the slow turner explanation is the most likely reason the convoy from Boulder was attacked by Inklings, But there's something about that idea that continues to bug me. We've never really seen a slow turner, just heard about them, and one in the convoy is so very convenient.

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Maybe a stow away or one tailing the group en route from Boulder?

And i'd hardly call it "convenient" for anybody.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

He live through all Saul's bad jokes, can probably live through everything else. ;-)

*plays Queen - Who Wants to Live Forever"

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Damn straight hombre!

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Am I the only one that thinks Victor will live forever?

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No, I KNOW I will live forever. You see, I was sent back from the future by Saul's unborn baby who will eventually lead the rebellion. I am a ZYBORG T2000, a hybrid Zombie Cyborg created by INK himself and rechipped by Saul Jr. to kick ass and take names!

Who's thinking CJ 2.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMApNy48Sc

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Questions, How did Randy get there on foot? And tracked a car? Is he Ink first experiment?

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Maybe he hotwired a bus? lol

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

Am I the only who actually wonders what a brontosaurus burger with a side of whale slaw would taste like...besides victory, and friendship that is?

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Tastes like chicken.

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Originally Posted by Z Sniper

No, I KNOW I will live forever. You see, I was sent back from the future by Saul's unborn baby who will eventually lead the rebellion. I am a ZYBORG T2000, a hybrid Zombie Cyborg created by INK himself and rechipped by Saul Jr. to kick ass and take names!

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So you're saying that your real name is Marty?

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Originally Posted by Condor

Who's thinking CJ 2.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMApNy48Sc

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No.

I see this as an end to the Mallers proper. I REALLY believe that Scratch has to become a biter at this point to stay in the story. I don't see her as a one woman army gathering what few Mallers are left. I am betting that she turns into a Smart One and fights TOWTM for control due to her sheer will and focus. Maybe works hand in hand. I just don't see how she alone can really stay part of the story other wise. Her time is not done yet.

Glad to see Randy make a supposed cameo but I think those scratches may signal the end for our water boy based on what we know from Irwin.
And with CJ out and Saul playing medic it is now time for what we have all been waiting for (by which I mean me...)
Victor becomes El Presidente of Nuevo -Nuevo Mexico!

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Originally Posted by Verse

I see this as an end to the Mallers proper. I REALLY believe that Scratch has to become a biter at this point to stay in the story. I don't see her as a one woman army gathering what few Mallers are left. I am betting that she turns into a Smart One and fights TOWTM for control due to her sheer will and focus. Maybe works hand in hand. I just don't see how she alone can really stay part of the story other wise. Her time is not done yet.

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Oh... noooooooooooo. I can't even fathom that. It'd just be too much to take. Interesting thought though... I'd rather see Pegs come back as an infected creature and try to kill Michael, while Scratch watches and laughs... I think that would be the best episode ever. EVER.

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Originally Posted by Verse

I see this as an end to the Mallers proper. I REALLY believe that Scratch has to become a biter at this point to stay in the story. I don't see her as a one woman army gathering what few Mallers are left. I am betting that she turns into a Smart One and fights TOWTM for control due to her sheer will and focus. Maybe works hand in hand. I just don't see how she alone can really stay part of the story other wise. Her time is not done yet.

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Look honestly, this could happen in some sense: if Scratch became infected but retained her Scratchness then it would be completely fitting with the story, but I'm just not sure if she can, and I'd also keep in remind that KC has always maintained this is a story about people and survival. If she lost her humanity then there would be little to tell.

Also, she did knife Bixby so she may have learnt something, we don't know.

Two things happened when I listened to the latest episode. I shit a brick before having to lift my jaw off the floor. HOLY SANTA CLAUS SHIT!

Upon second and third listenings, yeah that noise at the end is very similar to the Inklings' growl.

Also going back a few pages, yeah Nik I was going to say that it appears that Burt and Scratch are going to be tightly interwoven for a while. I like your idea about Riley, and look, it's still up in the air - nobody really knows about Angel yet, least of all her, and we do definitely need to resolve her emotional trauma in relation to both him and Lizzy, but I think Burt is going to play an instrumental role in Scratch's death. Maybe they both will. I don't really see Riley dying.

1. Burt's Back!

2. Saul is still funny.

3. Lizzie + Saul = AWWW...

4. CJ: At least you're not dead yet.

5. Scratch: Epic Fail. You should've paid more attention in Anatomy class...

6. RIP Gatekeeper, Bixby. You will be missed.

7. Thanks, Pete...for being an epic dick and bringing down a zombie entourage with you.

8. It's Randy. He brought friends. Lots of friends. I'll betcha he's Ink's bestie.

9. "You didn't think it would be that easy, did you?" "Yeah, for a moment there, I kinda did."

Great Chapter, great acting...please let this next deluge of zombie badassness be relatively painless...

One more thing:

I hope Lizzie doesn't go into labor while Randy's knocking their doors down.