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Hmm, in going to hell for this, but maybe ft. Irvin can't reach Boulder because Hope is the only person in comms room there?
I can totally see her going at her milk bottle cap radio:
Radio: This is Boulder, please respond.
Hope: Hello? Yes, this is Hope, can you hear me? We are under attack!
Radio: Anyone can hear me? Please respond.
(*optional)Zombie: Rawr. How you doin'?
Kc spoke about this earlier in the thread. He didn't read the report because it had just arrived with the body from CO. It wasn't explained well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
Arrived with the body, okay I got ya. Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
ain't no thang. I came here to make the same comment of "WTFBBQ" but I saw the convo earlier and was like "oh....makes total sense!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
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Originally Posted by Litmaster
So is this an admission that Boulder is indeed under attack by Griggs as an ADLO?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
The timing of it sure is coincidental, but I don't find it odd. Sometimes things just work like that. But I did read into it and assume that if Boulder was in fact under attack from biters, then perhaps Griggs (as an ADLO) followed the Black Hawk as it left the Chinook crash, arrived near Boulder, then got a little lost. Then when the chopper departing Boulder for Ft. Irwin left, he heard it and was able to finally close in on Boulder. That would account for why the attack seems to coincide with the funeral?
Some wild theories here but unsure if this has been mentioned before but could this be related to some forms of Sclerosis? Hardened leathery skin, tough bones, abnormal heart/organs, weak teeth.
Plus white pale skin - Raynauds Disease can be associated with sclerosis and maybe why the regular zombies are slowing up in the cold temperatures.
Also related to Raynauds Disease is Vasculitis, which Is the inflammation of the veins or arteries, and is more common in females - I wonder if all the little ones are female?
These conditions are autoimmune diseases and as such can be spread between people by microchimerism - this may be how the infection is spread from one zombie to another human or from little one to advanced little one
Anyway - Wikipedia is great from random theories!
I thought we agreed we'd call them Inklings. What's with all this ALDO crap? It sounds like dog food!! :p
I suspect people will consult webMD next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream
Nooo! Inklings make them sound cute, whilst these things are quite the opposite!
Goes off to investigate.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
It IS dog food ... I stick with Lizzy's wording: Little Ones; also this is what they are named in the Wiki ... Don't wonna mess around ... It already is hard to cope with all the different theories ...Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Yeah, Saul says because Lizzie named them that, they're still called Little Ones even though they ain't so little....personally I'm sticking with that. It reminds us of what they once were.
I don't think that the West-Coast is cut off from the East-Coast in terms of quarantine or stuff. Remember Col. Kimmet describing how almost all of the US was under heavy outbreak-fire? He even mentioned New York and Chicago as places of the outbreak; therefore it seems to be unlikely that West-Coast to 1.000mi land-inwards (Boulder) would be cut off, while the rest of the US would be cool with bubble-tea-drinking and McDonald-eating looking forward to having an zombified Walt Disneyland all around the West-Coast ...
Anyway: I finally concur - the autopsy of the Little One #2 points at at least some (all?) of them were small children at the time of the outbreak, maybe even babies, although babies in the nursery usually don't have any teeth at all (except for the predisposition under the skin and within their jaws...); so I think it as to be more likely that the little ones 1. gen (first generation, numbered ones) could have been very little to young children somewhere between the age of 1 and 5 years or something ...
I really admired the autopsy btw. And I admit it: I expected things between the Little One jumping to undeadism again on the one extreme and on the other blood-based infections of Riley, the red-shirt-soldier or maybe even Tanya with Tanya proving again that she is all Lord-sent-Angel-from-Heaven being immune to this D&D monster manual stuff ...
The more I listen to #33-3, I don't like the 11 day jump, the 2 hours gap and all of a sudden hell breaks loose, which is why I look forward to the next chapters.
Comparing the cliffhanger in #32-3 I actually expect chapter #34 to be about Fort Irwin and especially Boulder again ... and in #35 and #36 things and main-characters will be connected again ...
All the best!
Liam
It's was supposed to be that way! *grumble* stupid forum not taking the inkling name and going with Dog food.....stupid........Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream
;) :p
Kimmet didn't say there were outbreaks in Chicago and New York. He said the outbreak reached Chicago and New York.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Well I totally wanted to go with Inkling for all references to a creature that used to be a little one but is no longer little, whether he be turned or one of these creatures from the get-go.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
But reading through the posts it seems like there is an unspoken consensus that Inkling refers to a tattooed creature while ADLO refers to a human turned into a creature by an Inkling.
Fuck it, I'm going with Inkling from here on out! The movement continues!
Ok. Then I understood or misunderstood "reached" as "having an outbreak" as well ... And in #29 Col. Kimmet describes the situation as this: "Boulder and Fort Wirin are the only safe zones in the continental US. ... We lost contact with everyone on the East Coast about a week after the West was hit. ... it multiplied and spread within one and a half days ... we know a few hotspots along the coast line ... we think of two in the Bay area ... "
So, yeah: I was wrong with naming Chicago and New York; I just anticipated as much ...
Well, but anyway: for me it is hard to believe, that the West Coast (which has several hotspots - San Diego, L.A., Oregon, Seattle) is quarantined from the rest of the US ... I may be wrong, but who actually cares ... ;)
I was gonna say that didn't sound right...Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
And to quote Saul about calling them little ones... "Lizzy said it, stickin' to it"
I wonder what is involved in the 'turning' process. Specifically the outward appearances as viewed by others. Right now I can think of only a handful of instances where we witness someone turning in real-time.
- Tommy
- Fernando
- The three Blackhawk soldiers.
- * Riley gives an account of people turning in Chapter 1 part 2. NOTE: Not everyone turned at the same rate.
- * Some of the members of the Mallers' arena convoy turn while they're under attack, but we don't see this happen.
Of the three that we saw:
- Tommy was infected through blood contact.
- Fernando is bitten. I believe he is the first one that we know to have turned via a bite.
- Not clear how the Blackhawk soldiers were infected.
From the sounds of turning:
- Tommy starts off agitated and irritable. Loses the ability to speak then growls and grunts. Turns hostile.
- Fernando pleads for help and sounds as if in pain. Loses speech, growls grunts. Then he is killed.
- Soldiers follow same as Fernando but they are alive long enough to become hostile before being killed.
I think this post belongs in this thread because there may be a number of ways one can turn. Does anyone remember an instance or description of someone turning via bite before Fernando? How did Tommy's sister, Sally? Susie? Turn?
We know you can turn from bites, blood exchange, and something from ground zero. What about the 'slow turner?' We don't know if this person was exposed at one point and turned like the others weeks later or was gradually turning throughout the duration. If the latter, then could this person have described the process from a Z's perspective or would this person go through changes like mood swings and not be aware of it. Also, from Riley's account, not everyone sprayed with Z-blood turned right away. Perhaps, not only do different Zs spread the infection through different means but different people catch it in different ways.
What if the Ground Zero vector is airborne? How about the Blackhawk Inkling? Pvt Thomas, Michael, Tanya, Riley and possibly Puck all got a good whiff of Z-Funk when they opened the body bag. This brings me to the odd pissing match between Michael and Carl. Mike's been calmer lately but his combativeness is not out of the ordinary. Carl was the most aggressive as he had shown his aggressiveness to a superior. Riley is on anger-management pills. Tanya may have some sort of immunity. Puck's from NYC so anything he says will seem angry. Pus Carl has had the most exposure.
If there is a problem in Boulder it could have come from the Blackhawk and not Griggs.
:tinfoil:
Screw that Lizzy chick. INKLINGS FTW! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Hey Kc! Did you really have to make the saw and medical stuff sound so gross. :S by the way great episode.
For the saw what tool did you use? It sounded like a skill saw...
I'm most likely going to have Robert from our sound design team post the picture... I think it would be very amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnonon
O yea I called it! (At least the zed making it's way to Boulder) I'm so excited, i'm so excited, i'm so......scared (for the future of Boulder and our friends there).
Kinda jumpin the gun dontcha think??? Only thing thats happened is a loss of comms, and were left to think that mayyyybeeee the worst has happened. I,d find it really hard to fathom how a secured city thats kept 150,000 people safe can lose it all from one zombie no matter how special it may be or relaxed the guards are....they would perk up real quick...unless that zombie was able to somehow sneak in or wasnt recognized as a zombie.
Nah, i think this is classic cliffhanger story telling in action, and there is some other story with whats happened to Griggs.
This is my first Forum post so here we go.
This last episode was crazy tense. I sat through most of the episode half expecting LO#2 to rise from the autopsy table and attack. That being said...we are drawing close to the end of the season and we have three locations that need to be unified and/or connected in some sort of way before season's end. Because we are learning so much about the numbered ones and interest in them is growing among the characters... I believe that the colony will remain intact to an extent, because we have to return to LA eventually. We are gonna return to a bolder under attack where we are gonna learn just how fast new numbered ones can be created and spread as well as there capabilities, which I suspect will be . A team being sent to bolder will encounter the LOs. Bolder is gonna crumble with only a hand full of survivors making it out alive.
Maybe add "Roman" in brackets; Glenn reported Roman being attacked by a little one and recognized him later as having become a little one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
May have slipped my might: Do we really have a witnessing of human => gets bitten => turns? As I understood it it is just an assumption of most of us that biting leads to infection. From CJ we only know the estimate that something strange might have changed one of her The Other Town dudes; but she was not crystall clear on what exactly happened to him, so it could have been a spar between him and some kind of zombie at ground zero OR the odd anti-biosphere at that location OR both ...
Your differentiation actually supports an early attempt of an explanation that turning depends on the bloodtype; recently there was a mentioning of different kinds of zed-agents leading to zed-mutation.
Besides this I would like to stress the hint that - considering the weak teeth of #2 - Little Ones seem to infect their victims different from what Regulars do. Glenn only spoke of an attack on Roman, and the two the red-shirts at the Chinook Side were just attacked and we don't have a description about how the Little One infected them; basically this is why I thought, Cpt. Long would change within the Chinook, which did not occur.
All the best!
Liam
Don't forget: L.A. was downed in less then a day. And in 2009 L.A. was a city with more then 3.5 Million people - not accounting for the folks from the environ coming to L.A. for business and jobs etc. And it was not like the way that after that day there were 3.5 Million zeds roaming the streets of L.A. Also the initial attack started at a rather small area/ location of the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
1.5 days later all of the continental US was overrun by Zeds ... Back then the US had about 307 Million residents.
Considering the features of a Little One I could imagine that it could wrack havoc in Boulder in no time. Strategy would be simple:
Attack small groups of people, wound and infect as many as possible, jump/ run away, hide a few minutes, attack the next group; in the meantime the number of Little Ones litteraly explodes. Since the military dudes would react directly most of the military force would focus on this attack like what all the police and military personell did in L.A., which means: As soon as the men are downed, the city/ rescue camp of Boulder would b defenseless. And don't forget: there are/ were not that many soldiers around ...
So: Yeah, it is a frightening scheme, but considering what happened so far it is not even unlikely ...
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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Yes, Fernando is bitten when he, Victor, Michael, Pegs and Kelly are escaping from the Zs outside of the Colony.
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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
I agree. Think about all of the decomposition gases fermenting inside Inkling #2. (What a shitty name for a zombie, Inkling #2) They open the bag, and everybody gets a whiff. Later, in the O.R. Riley can't take the smell but Tanya barely notices. Everyone coughs at some point, EXCEPT Tanya. I'd hate to have surgery in that O.R. after the autopsy. In Beyond our Boarders, Carl says that turned blood was compared to normal blood but no differences were found. Gases are beginning to sound like a vector, too.
What about James of Sean, Hope and James fame? Depending on when Kalani landed in L.A., James could have been the slow turner mentioned by her. It's been repeated a number of times that he died of some sort infection.
My immediate thought during the autopsy when Tanya started mentioning how undeveloped #2 was, was the idea that Ink was using little kids for his experiments. Which, in hindsight, fits with the original idea of them starting out as Little Ones... So, then could their explosion into Inklings be considered a sort of chemical/Ink-induced zombie puberty?
INKLINGs
Probably this is what Michael should have said, then. "What? It just arrived, was I supposed to read it during the memorial service?!"Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
No way, the first thing Inklings brings to mind is JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis and their pals. I just can't think of this tall monsters with long nails while my mind recalls images of middle aged british gentlemen smoking a pipe in a pub. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Definitely not. I find it strange though that nobody was near a radio and able to call back to Irwin. Maybe we are imagining this differently from the way it is, but I would assume there would be some guard posts around the city connected with a main post somewhere, and at least a radio for each post + multiple long range ones to communicate with Boulder, + satphones.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
As far as Communications go, everything /could/ be down. Or the blizzard could have prohibited them from getting the distress call out...
I have to comment on the gasses causing Zedism. I think it /is/ kinda silly. That was a big chunk of the main cast that got hit, and we haven't noticed Victor turning because of the gas, or Riley or Angel turning because they were in a big pile of bodies. As for Tanya not being effected... She's a doctor! She's experienced with blood guts and Unpleasant smells, even if its just animals. That being said, Checkov's corpse. Michael didn't /have/ to open up the bag for story purposes... So maybe its not such a crazy thing after all. :P
Someone mentioned the Navy and where was it during all this. I imagine a sub could be roaming around, but most ships are fuel guzzling chunks of several hundred people, that need to be supplied regularly. At some point, most of them would call at a port, (possibly even all returning lost haste to deal with the National Emergency) and them get eaten. Even if they were around, Irwin may not have the communications ability to communicate with a boomer in the middle of the Atlantic, but its not a horrible stretch to see how the Navy might be out of the picture.
The real question is how the virus spread across the world. Britain and Western Europe should have had plenty of time to divert all resources to securing borders and effecting a draconian quarentine, right?
There would have to be physical barriers around boulder, its what made it safe in the first place. Not around the whole city necesarily but around whatever part they secured and is holding that population. I very much doubt that any z's could just wander in and I'm sure sneaking in would be difficult as well. I wouldn't doubt if there are several other electronic and physical means of monitoring and securing the area, such as cameras, trip wires, claymores, sensors etc etc...I don't think anything can easily get in no matter how lax the guards might be. Redundancies should be in place to not allow any one person or action to make it exposed. No way Boulder goes down unless multiple people f up huge.
Hi there,
I just pictured what _could have_ happened to Boulder - especially as a response to what Robzombie mentioned; I don't say that this _has_ happened in that way. I just want to stress the little fact, actually, that Little Ones act a lot more strategic, commando-style, cautious and a lot more effective then regulars - and it were mainly regulars that nearly obliterated L.A. of life in less then a day. Therefore I don't see it as unlikely that even a single Little One could actually push Boulder over the edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
That aside: I am with you regarding the communication thing. As soon as there would be an attack, the local military would a) try to deal with it and probably b) report it to mission HQ (Fort Irwin), unless they mistake the attack is just another regular attack. Actually we don't know the regular work-around for any incident, if each one needs to be immediately reported to Fort Irwin or if there is some kind of schedule ... In the latter case: Imagine an attack on Boulder and a little One directly aiming at the main power facility ... We don't know the infrastructure of Boulder; but if all the Boulder power or at least all the power for communications is 'centralized', well make up your mind what would happen if THAT one is taken down.
And about the weather/ storm being the source of interrupted com-links ... Well ... Red herring or something like that ... ?
All the best!
Liam
What else is there to say ... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
I agree. You said "not unlikely" and I answered "definitely not (unlikely)" but I did not realize it sounded ambiguous until I read it now, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
I hear ya...it's deffinately not impossible that Boulder gets messed up. And ya I do see the Little Ones being smarter than your average bear, but I don't think it is on par with Ink. I see them more as a pure warrior killer machine type based more on instinct as opposed to an intelligence, such as Ink's, that I think would be necesary to do Boulder real harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Da-da-daaaaa! Are we going to see Ink again real soon?
Hi there,
Mh ... maybe, but that would add some more levels of confusion to the whole story, which already is packed with nearly enough ... Also having Ink in Boulder right now would render the complete The Colony stuff kind of ... well ..., don't get me wrong, but kind of "pointless" ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
So no. We won't see Ink soon - at least not in Boulder. Here I would just say:
Little One #2 happened to grab on the Chinook. After hours of ambracing the awesome flying experience it decided to go for some more killing. And killing it did, but killed it got, too. But it created offspring (Griggs), which is on its personal rampage. Griggs as Little One is an autonomous killing-machine, a kind of "universal zombie-soldier" without any agenda or control, especially not from Ink, because there is no connection between the both of them. And Griggs might have come to Boulder. Here anything could happen - something between "just a small 'kill the zombie' plus bad weather-condition and therefore no com-link to Fort Irwin" on the one side and on the other "Boulder goes L.A. 8th of May 2009 starting all with but one Little One (Griggs), thus full catastrophee 'Aliens*-style' (*Aliens, the second Alien movie) " ...
My personal estimate: Something between, Boulder is hit by Griggs and some things gone out of control, but it won't go down, 'cause Datu zu ressourceful and his mind-boggling three Angels "Hope, Kelly and Pegs" have stopped the Boulder-apocalypse right in time, and if not them, then the soldiers of Boulder did the right thing at the right time. (Wouldn't be the first time that I could be wrong ...)
All the best!
Liam
