:D Ha Ha. I wonder if there is a thread for misheard dialouge. He says, "Alright come on out, I know you're in there."
First Puck 'saying' "I've worked the ketchup on." Then he tells Michael that Tanya was bitten in the "Forum." Now this. :cool:
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I mentioned in the 31-3 thread my theory of a water container Trojan Horse as a joke. Turns out I was more or less right. Victory dance!!
Yes I actually got up and danced just now.
One of the colony guys sounded like Bigsby to me but it was indistinct so I am not putting money on it. I want to meet shovelface again and hear more blunt force trauma. For some reason I feel the guy who talked to Victor at the end is on his side. He sent the other one away, which I don't see if he was just going to kill Victor.
Superb sound effects on Victor in the tanker btw, I was really impressed. As for Lizzie and Bricks I like how he wants to tell her things but can't do it directly. He just happens to make an awkward situation so he "has" to tell her now. Yeah Bricks is a lot smarter than everyone thought. I think he hides his wits behind "BRICKS SMASH!"
Durai won't kill Scratch. If Scratch is confronted by it, she will just kill Durai and officially take over. Or she argues it was a mercy killing for Angel's suffering
Hi there,
Since names confuse me a lot ... Bixby/ Biggsby is shovelface. I really need to stay focussed with th so many names around. So if your guess is write and the guy on the truck is Bixby, then you listen to shovel-face. ;)
Yep. Same here. But considering the way these things are built I really wonder how much noise gets to the outside - especially if you curse at the tank cap being closed shut ...
Yeah, I see this, too, that Angel would kill Durai as an attempt to cover her deeds. As for shooting Angel because of mercy ... Well, I bet the tape reveals other things, wouldn't it?
All the best!
Liam
Just for the record... the name is "Bixby." No confirmations, but that's the characters name known as "Shovelface"
Not to toot my own horn but I totally called this back in 31.2. I'm curious to see if derai even cares. Once bricks goes behind scratch's back, if derai doesn't silence her, bricks is going to be either cast out or killed. It might be just the event that makes him join up with the former tower crew. Plus, he knows all about the mallers weaknesses. If he trades sides, it's a huge blow to them.
I'm wondering if CJ already knows that Saul and Victor are lying. Think about it. Wouldn't she know that Victor was never at the Colony when the Mallers were in charge? Hasn't she heard the whole story about how Victor, Michael and the rest escaped during a coup? From CJ's perspective she should be asking, "If Victor knew the mallers were at the colony when they killed Sean, then doesn't that mean Victor would have told Saul where the mallers were so he could immediately begin looking for Lizzy?"
So if she reasoned things out, she would realize that Victor had no idea the Mallers were at the Colony, and therefore could not have known that the Mallers were responsible for Sean's death. I understand my explanation is a bit confusing, but it makes sense.
I don't think she knows. What end game does she have if she knows they are lying already without taking action? If she wants Saul for herself, she could lie about the piece of intel she said would work, allow Victor to get killed trying to infiltrate the Colony, and say to Saul it's hopeless now lets you and me make like the discovery channel.....and get eaten by Sharks.....
Also remember CJ is never around for the conversation of the coup at the Colony that involved the Mallers. She knows there was a coup (in theory. we never hear her learn this), but she never knew who did it.
Word. I haven't done a good review of the passed 3 chapters so I'm still fuzzy as to what Chinwe knows and what she doesn't. Still, she is a smart gal and appears to have great powers of deduction. Wouldn't the thought cross her mind that if Victor knew the Mallers were at the Colony all this time, then Saul would be one eager beaver to go scope it out for Lizzy? In all their hanging out, I'm sure Saul must have mentioned to CJ that Lizzy was last in the captive of the Mallers.
So CJ's line of thinking would be: 1)Victor knows the mallers were at the colony, for they were the ones who killed Sean. 2) If Vic knows the mallers are at the colony, then surely he told Saul they were there. So why the hell didn't Saul mention wanting to go there for Lizzy sooner?
What a great episode. The Lizzy/Bricks deal is going to be interesting. I wonder if Scratch has the room bugged or something. I imagine another interrogation session with Burt and Scratch goes to do something to Burt, and Bricks says "No More!" then breaks her arms or some such stuff. As for Viktor in the water tank, I cannot remember the Colony members name, but I am for sure that he will side with Viktor and the crew. He lost all his power when the Mallers came and took over, so he may want revenge. Then when revenge is taken, he will turn on Viktor and Co. I missed the show, glad to hear a new episode!
That is under the idea that the Mallers had to be at the colony to kill Sean. Say Sean was not at the colony, when he ran into the Mallers.
Chinwe also saw them kill plenty of people with no regard for human life.
I was under the assumption with your take on it KC I did assume that Chinwe could be under the assumption that Sean was not killed inside the walls at the colony. Which is the truth anyways. I read too much into things I know what we're led to believe is that gate keeper and his men killed Sean but I've always thought maybe they had grouped outside with the mallers and the mallers killed Sean . Tho Glenn Pete and victor don't seem to have knowledge of this. When I heard Pete say to victor when he offered MPK water at the colony "they really got us good this time" he was talking about zombies but I always thought it was the mallers. I mean it wasn't zombies but I just always had this feeling it had some maller involvement. I'll stop rambling.
Is the runoff rain collection point, where Victor gets into the tanker, the place where Sean was killed? In Chapter 19 Victor tells Michael that Sean was killed working on a project to bring running water to the Colony. Victor references it again in Chapter 32. The water that was collected here was for the farm, so I suppose there might be a different collection point for drinking water.
On the Lizzy/Bricks dynamic -- I wonder if there's something going on between them behind the scenes. If you think about it, Lizzy has no idea if Saul's alive or dead. She wasn't at the Tower when MPK returned from the Colony, so she may not even know that they know it exists. She's known Bricks longer than the original gang, knows that he's there to protect her and the baby -- hence, it would be silly of her not to form a relationship with him on the account of "cheating" on Saul.
I'm a little scared at what will happen once Saul & Co. bust in and give the colonists weapons for the coupe (if the plan goes successfully). Since the Mallers have been treating Lizzy well, most people would see Lizzy as one of the Mallers. Saul & Co. will obviously see Bricks as being aligned with the Mallers. All it takes is for one person to encounter the wrong person at the wrong time without having the whole story -- and BANG. Bad times.
I'm most afraid of Saul coming in and hurting Bricks. As much as Lizzy loved Saul before, I don't think she could easily forgive him if he killed Bricks, reagardless of whether something was going on between them or not.
Very good point! I have been considering this ever since I heard Bricks call Lizzy Elizabeth and defended her from Tardust (to a degree). I do believe something could go very wrong between Bricks and Saul. I don't know that Saul will kill Bricks, but I do believe that's where it could go. I'm just curious as to what the scenario would be; could Bricks be leading Lizzy by the arm out a dangerous situation, and then Saul, who is a shitty shot, pulls off one miraculous sniper shot to Bricks head, thinking that Bricks was actually holding Lizzy captive rather than leading her to safety?
What a roller-coaster this would be ... ? o_O
I heard clown, Clowns I tell you.
I can see KC make a huge twist. Instead of the water team from other tower making it to the water pump in it was Sean team and Micheal had to shoot Sean before he fully turned.
And last point, I don't think the colony never ran in to the Maller until they came over. Vic keep point out the different in the colony zombies compare to the tower and maller zombies. Even the beachhouse had difference in the characters of the zombies. The smog was kind of a border between the colony and the towers. Still want to know what happen during the switch. How did the Mallers know the colony couldn't defense itself? The colony could have bluff about the weapons and no would be the wiser. And there no visible destruction to the site so it seem there wasn't ever a battle. What happen? CJ and Vic would noticed differences in the structures.
Maybe the Mallers just rolled on up and walked in the front door. If the Colony knew they (Colony) were ass out on weapons and ammo and a sizeable group of well armed SOB's rolled up to the front door and said open it or we are going to kick in your door and let in the zombies, they might have just opened the door and submitted to the supieor force. Happened a lot throughout history, and faced with death or life, well the choice is obvious.
The only problem is that mallers, had no clue how the zombies worked here. These were the pack mentality ones. so making a lot noise would unleash a crowd that would over taken them, which work poorly from them at the tower. As well that front and internal doors sound like they pretty strong, Vic said it could half a truck very easily. I think we missing something, beside the part that you are right on, that the mallesr wander right in with the code on door for at least the first door.
Not necessarily... Remember the tower assault was well under way and no real zombies showed up to the feast till they tossed out the "sweat" bombs. Im alos thinking that if a large group of peeps showed up appearing well armed, with a rocket propelled grenade launcher the Colony might have just folded. True, the Mallers didn't know the status of the Colony, but the Colony knew the status of the Colony and they knew they couldn't fight. So, why risk the loss of life in a futile battle? The Mallers are kind of like the Borg. They show up, assimilate you in to their group, and then you do what the "hive mind", i.e. Durai and/or Scratch tell you to do. Im thinking the Colony folded with out a fight but want to get out from under the Mallers thumb.
Sidenote, I wonder if Michael working a "sweat" bomb project. Get all the zombies in one place and boom.
Hi there.
Any thoughts about how #32 will go on? Referring to the title "Captive Hearts" I could think of this:
Next episode of chapter #32 could be about Michael and Tanya. Michael is a "captive" regarding his situation to Pegs - he is stuck in the military machine and bound by his duties, which is why I cannot express and live his feelings for Pegs; he is caught in Fort Irwin and - on a stretched comparison - therefore "imprisoned"/ locked away from Pegs.
Tanya is literally imprisoned - though in kind of a laboratory, but not as the doctor, but as the "object". Sooner or later she will realize that she won't get out there - so soon. To make things worse: probably she will start to think more about Saul. Havin' had the luck to reconnect with her son during the zombie-apocalypse at first, and then again being apart from him may work on her psyche.
About all the other tower-folks I am not so sure about when and how they will get involved with the story again. Rilye provides the best opportunity becoming a soldier, maybe reconnecting with Michael (due to his requests with good arguments in her favor - field-experience, knowledge about LA).
The civilians (Hope, Kelly, Pegs, Datu) are so far away. Their stories have been told. I have no clue so far about how they may "add" something or anything to the story. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Datu is of no need anymore, because his ressourceful skills were needed before the time of Fort Irwin; Pegs was the love interest and kind of "misunderstood heart" of the tower-folks, which are no more; Kelly was just Kelly and meant to be a polarization-spot in the tower-folk, which are no more, and Hope is a symbol of hold: one of the few remaining children.
Anyway: the last five mentioned characters won't appear in WA#32.
Which is why I would say: 32-2 may be about Michael and Tanya, 32-3 will be about anything evolving in and revolving around The Colony and The Mallers again.
Thoughts?
All the best!
Liam
HI IM NEW! =)
The fallowing is only my best guesses..
1) The man telling Vic to come out of the tanker is Bixby. Bixby was promised a new position when Gatekeeper took over, maybe it was the Water Dog job. Im sure any job that allows you to leave the colony walls is a sought after one. I dont think Glenn gave Bixby or anyone else a heads up, I think he just heard Vic's loud breathing lol.
2) CJ already knows the Mallers didnt kill Sean, shes WAY to smart to not have figured that out already. (Thats my only evidence lol)
3) Someone mentioned Michael may have killed Sean while we all though he was dead at the pumping station. I dont think this is true but it did get me wondering what happened to Michael, why he was so secretive about what happened. It was so long go I almost ruled that out as being anything important.
4) Last but not least, Gatekeeper was a prisoner!!! DUN DUN DUN..(I dont know if anyone else has said that before) This is more of a feeling than anything. It seemed more than perfect timing that as soon as he came into power that the Mallers showed up. They packed up and left their strip mall home and moved there. They didnt go fight and conquer go back to the mall and get their shit, they packed up and moved. that would be a terrible battle plan but a great moving plan... It all seems strange.
Dont think it was ever mention that Micheal had killed Sean. It was mentioned that Micheal may have met Randy, and that something happened to Randy. And then later on "Randy" is dragging away Tanya and Micheal yells out his name and shoots him. Pretty sure it was Gatekeeper and Bixby talking about Sean being dealt with.
Interesting, but I believe that Colony was farther South then the prisoners had originally travelled. I think the prisoners got out, fought amongst themselves for a bit, then gathered to fortify the mall. Since the Mallers had a lot of comms gear Im thinking they picked up Micheals transmission from the Colony and sent a scouting party south and discovered the Colony.
Hi there,
interesting idea with the Gatekeeper having been a prisoner in his pre-z-pocalypse time and that he may have made it easier for the Mallers to get into The Colony.
But I agree with Penguine: The Mallers were well equipped and very likely caught the communication of Michael. After that they split up - while group A moved against the arena, the other group went farther south to the Colony.
All the best!
Liam
I really hope so. As much as I have manlove for Saul and Victor, I want something that catches me up on the rest of the gang, soon. Especially since we jumped ahead 4 months in EP 31. Is Reily still a drunk, or has the military life given her something to live for? What's the general state of things? What about Hope? Did the doctors fix her? And Peggs, what's she up to? Has Tanya turned?
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the Saul, Victor, Lizzie and CJ show, but I wanna know what else is going on.
Hi there.
Yeah, I am curious as well. And I wouldn't be surprised too much that KC has prepared something for each character; but at the moment the focus is pretty tight.
Let's guess:
Riley => becomes a Rodriguez-bitch like in Machete and is prepared to literally vaporize Scratch
Hope => becomes a River-clone like in Firefly and will eat zombies alive, yeah, that's right; at first she cures 'em zombies in order to destroy them afterwards.
Pegs => realizes: Love and peace are nice, but guns are even more, and then she dwarves any actress from the Resident Evil movie-series.
Kelly => as a former lawyer she is just one step away from becoming judgess DreadASS, and she will return THE LAW back to LA ...
And Datu the ressourcefull? Well: Since he is the ressourcefull, he transforms into Optimus Prime and starts to kickass like crazy ... :D
All the best!
Liam
Hi there,
second post, more seriously though:
Riley and Pegs have a solid base to re-enter the stage; Riley, because she would like to avenge Angel, and Pegs, because Scratch wants to take revenge for the loss of Latch.
Let's consider a theoretical story arc:
"The Fort Irwin soldiers move into LA and rescue the Colony. Michael has no other way as to accept the order of the Colonel to even rescue The Mallers. So Scratch - after all - becomes a survivor in the sense that she does not have to survive on her own anymore, because the soldiers are back in town..
She as many others will be transferred to the rescue camp for civilians (would have to look up the place, don't remember the name right now). And there she will meet Pegs; since both have not met in real life yet and only listened to their voices over distances and in stress-full situation, both don't recognize each other; and maybe they even become kind of friends, until Pegs - naive as she is - tells Scratch her name, while Scratch may provide a fake-name or her real name instead of her call-name, so Pegs would have no chance to recognize Scratch as who she really is. Since the place is packed with military services - like maybe Riley, who was transferred there for duty after she was trained to become a soldier -, Scratch doesn't go full-throttle against Pegs, but she does what she always does: she plans and creates a mischievous plan to kill Pegs. So she gets Pegs into a trap, tries to kill her in full rage, and all of a sudden Riley gets inbetween."
But since The Colony and The Mallers are in the focus of CJ, Victor and Saul at the moment, I actually don't expect anything in this direction.
And as for now I don't see any reason why Kelly, Pegs, Hope or Datu would return to LA or at least to the fort. With their departure from Fort Irwin I understand KC's plot as drawing a line and making the civilians who survived get out of the way ... Yet there are still 15.6 chapters to go, so plenty of room for some surprises. :D
At the moment the WA-story allows good guessings in favor of Riley: Having become a solider, she may be transferred either to Fort Irwin and therefore to reconnect with Michael, or she gets her own story-arc and is used as part of a military crew (like the one with the heli a few episodes ago) which has to do some reconaissance or urban-combat in LA ...
Well, anyway. Thoughts?
All the best!
Liam
One of the saddest things in Beyond our walls was to see Kelly being sissy and going away. I was all "noooo, grab your guns and go all G.I. Jane on the zombies!! Stay with Riley and Michael!!"
What are the odds of her being unneasy with the new life and hoing back to Fort Irwin?
Good question.
Since she was a lawyer before the z-pocalypse I would assume that she would be of use in the rescue camp either for administrational or even law-stuff, since such a huge colony will need some kind of regulations around that ... And somehow I feel she would feel comfortable with such a position - at least it is totally different from laundry-stuff in The Colony or being on guard-duty in The Tower ...
All the best!
Liam
Well, the driver told how he found out about Victor, didn't he? ;)
And all of a sudden - thanks to KC - I even have sympathies for Gatekeeper - not because of his situation, but because of what "they" did to him ... The episode hasn't started properly, and you already are in the middle of the roller-coaster - AGAIN ... +1
There's only one reason I can see for any of the survivors who left for Boulder to come back; Pegs is Michael's love interest. However I could see a scenario where the helicopter got to Boulder and had to abort the mission because they found the place overrun by biters. Both Kelly and Pegs have knowledge of the interior of the Colony stockade and so could aid the military in a mission to "liberate" the colony from the Mallers. But really, Kelly's, Hope's and Datu's stories seem to be at an end. I'm actually more intrigued by the Victor/Saul/CJ story arc. Raise your hand if you think CJ started to develop a thing for Saul!
Edit: I posted this before realizing Part 2 was available so ignore that last sentence :)
In Chapter 31 we were discussing how the retribution system might work among the Families. I was happy to see Lizzy thinking the same thing. That if Scratch killed Angel (a member of the Families), then there should be a resulting punishment for Scratch.
It seems like we're closer to finding out. Will Durai insist upon carrying out the required rules as the highest ranking member of left among the Families? Will he say the offended family has to make that request? Could Lizzy take up Angel's part and request retribution for his death?
Well, I am late to this party, but I will post it here. I missed some of this on my power listen to catch up. Victor is damn near chatty when it comes to information exchange with Gatekeeper. But, what blows my mind is he says
They have one of us here. Gatekeeper replys so that's what they have been hiding, but why for so long.
Guess I am the tin hat man again, but wow. Parse that. One of us. It is inclusive. Not my pal's squeeze, it is one of us. there is a lot of us running around We're Alive and it is often associated with Families. My guess is three since there are three circles on he ring and when scratch describes her cousin, she also use the term other family.
We all hear some about the murder of Sean, but I just relistened to The Catalyst when VPK&M escape the colony and Pegs never mentions that Sean was setup. She worries that Marcus is going to be killed, but never tells Victor about Sean.
Not saying that it could not happen in a scene not captured in the audio drama, but it is also possible that this is a classic magician misdirection. We hear a lot and it gets jumbled in our heads, but invidual characters have different sources.
If there is one thing I do feel I know about victor is he does not want to be around when family members are killed and vengeance strokes the war post. Sean's Death, Marcus' Death and Angel's death and in all cases Victor seems to want it kept quiet or to get the hell out of dodge
Could Victor be Pancho?