Chapter 30- Short Term Memory Part 3

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Originally Posted by Kc

Now, one of the two posting on facebook says they're no longer following us. To that, I said Farewell.

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Don't give them any thought. You can't please everyone. You've created a great story and it wouldn't be so if you let the tail wag the dog. Ever go to a classy restaurant and try a bite of a new dish that had something really good in it? At first, you wish that that ingredient was mixed in throughout the entire dish. However, the chef knows better. The chef knows about build up and anticipation. The chef knows about building a foundation for the pallet. The chef knows how one flavor effect the taste buds when it replaces another flavor. Otherwise, it would be like eating a cheese burger with nothing but cheese. It's like the difference between erotica and porn.

Besides, there were only two grumpy posters out of 19,000 fans. The one leaving doesn't even realize it was you who responded.

Yeah, and they continue on facebook. I have half a mind to just ban em and be done with it. I'm all for constructive criticism, but if someone wants to troll our feed, then it's not worth it.

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Originally Posted by Kc

Now, one of the two posting on facebook says they're no longer following us. To that, I said Farewell.

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Not that I want to derail this thread, but I see it's already kind of happening (feel free to move this post somewhere else if need be) but I have a question for you KC and I'm not sure where exactly to post it. But I would love to know the back story of how We're Alive came to be. What your previous experiences and works in relation to story telling? Do you have some kind of portfolio? What official and non-official training do you have as a director? How do you find your actors? Do the actors get paid? Hrm, maybe I should just PM you.

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Originally Posted by wh33t

Not that I want to derail this thread, but I see it's already kind of happening (feel free to move this post somewhere else if need be) but I have a question for you KC and I'm not sure where exactly to post it. But I would love to know the back story of how We're Alive came to be. What your previous experiences and works in relation to story telling? Do you have some kind of portfolio? What official and non-official training do you have as a director? How do you find your actors? Do the actors get paid? Hrm, maybe I should just PM you.

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I talk about it a bit in the ask him anything thread in the top news section as most of the answers are in there, and then feel free to add your own.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

First of all If the story is too jumbled, you aren't smart enough to follow.

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aw, carp... I mean, crap.

Hey all,
Noobie here from across the pond in UK, just signed up to the forum today, but have listened to every episode so far and I can't explain how much I am loving this! AMAZING!

Right intro done, can I just skip back to the very beginning of ShortTermMemory (30-1), with Souls diary entry....

It's been a while since his last entry and recently some crazy shit has happened so he is now writing again. He mentions briefly that the drip is done and the antibiotics seemed to have done the trick in getting him up and fully functional again.
We all knew this was always going to be the case ever since we learnt that his mum had been bitten but had not yet turned (she too has obviously "managed" the infection using the same cocktail of antibiotics and that's how she knew what to give to her son)
So now it'll be interesting if Soul and the gang return to "ground zero" and see if Soul still has no reaction... I got a feeling he wont... and I can see a nice little twist emerging here, but maybe I'm looking too much into it....

So now back to We're Not Dead to get my medicated controlled fix before the good stuff is available again... I'm so glad there are 39, 50min podcasts to see me through the dark, cold, lonely nights :)

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Originally Posted by Gadge80

Hey all

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Hey, good, another another one, soon we British shall infect this forum until we take control [evil laughter below]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRamB30E9mU

Man, I missed /drama/? On /Facebook/? I actually have a morbid fascination about what went on there. Couldn't find it. Oh well.

Anyway, moving the thread back over, and maybe I'm forgetting something from a previous episode, but is anyone else curious as to how well stocked/developed/prolific CJs safehouses are?

Something that has not been mentioned yet on this episode:
I *capsized* upon hearing Pete say "Sooo... should we leave you two alone or something?". I love Pete.

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Originally Posted by VEE

Hey, good, another another one, soon we British shall infect this forum until we take control [evil laughter below]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRamB30E9mU

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you bring the infection, i'll bring the cure.

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Originally Posted by Gadge80

So now back to We're Not Dead to get my medicated controlled fix before the good stuff is available again... I'm so glad there are 39, 50min podcasts to see me through the dark, cold, lonely nights :)

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Problem is...some dude name nikvoodoo talks for about 45 minutes of those 50. That guy totally sucks. :p

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Problem is...some dude name nikvoodoo talks for about 45 minutes of those 50. That guy totally sucks. :p

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I'm told he also blows.

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Originally Posted by VEE

I'm told he also blows.

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Originally Posted by Kc

Now, one of the two posting on facebook says they're no longer following us. To that, I said Farewell.

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It's that individual's lost.

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Originally Posted by VEE

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y'know, maybe we oughtta take this little show on the road. i know some great forums we could harrass. no, i'm kidding, all my friends are on his forum, and that makes me a sad panda

I'm sure this got brought up somewhere in this thread but it bugs the frak out of me that CJ stopped Glen from talking when he said "I wasn't going to say anything but..." Then CJ comes in and says, "then don't". Freaken aye man! Really KC?!? REALLY?!?!

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Originally Posted by socali

I'm sure this got brought up somewhere in this thread but it bugs the frak out of me that CJ stopped Glen from talking when he said "I wasn't going to say anything but..." Then CJ comes in and says, "then don't". Freaken aye man! Really KC?!? REALLY?!?!

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My wife thinks Glenn was going to mention Sean.
Glenn is the new Tanya. Can't get a word in edge-wise.

I wonder if Saul and Victor have ever mentioned Sean, Samantha, Hope or Skittles to CJ? I would have thought they would by now, but our heroes can be a little communication-challenged sometimes.

im not sure what glenn was about to say, maybe he was just going to tell the block headed Saul that CJ clearly likes him.

but I definately don't see why amongst all that going on he would just randomly say "Hey I knew a guy named Sean once"...seems a little out of place given the conversation brewing about 'we're just tennents'

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Originally Posted by Bullethead

im not sure what glenn was about to say, maybe he was just going to tell the block headed Saul that CJ clearly likes him.

but I definately don't see why amongst all that going on he would just randomly say "Hey I knew a guy named Sean once"...seems a little out of place given the conversation brewing about 'we're just tennents'

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I think Nik's idea that Glenn was going to offer to fix the sat phone is more likely.

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I still smell a rat. Perhaps they were not sent to spy but to lure. They use the encrypted police band radios and Glenn states in Chapter 19/2 11:20 that he has Police Radios. They could have been eaves dropping on them since Saul and Victor moved in with CJ. You might say, "Well, why didn't he hear them talking earlier when Michael asked him if he heard anything when he was at at the Colony?" The most likely reason would be that Dunbar had been overrun before Glenn was rescued by Saul or the Colony didn't have access to a Police Radio yet. This would mean that CJ wouldn't have had anyone to talk to therefore there would not have been any radio chatter coming from L.A. until AFTER Saul and Victor move in with her.
If Saul's voice is recognized and Scratch is still ape-shit over the the Tower folk then why not try to lure someone to the Colony instead of trying to find them in LA? Rough them up a bit, give them a peek at Lizzy. Tell them a few things about who Sean was, where he may have came from. Then let them escape. Also, Hope says that everyone knows how she became blind, so every knows about the Dunbar Tower and everyone knows that Sean was there. Glenn can put peices together easily, he's a smart ol dude.
Plus, It make no sense for Glenn to say, "I wasn't going to say anything but I can fix your Satellite Phone." Why WOULDN'T he say that? If he wants to get the heck out he would have blurted out, "Hey Saul, I can fix that!" Instead, he didn't even hear Saul mention the broken phone because he was gibbering on about Roman turing into a zombie.

If they are meant to lure and are listening in on police bands, why would Pete bring up the idea of being overheard? That would kinda tip one's hand wouldn't you think?

Besides, if they are trying to lure Saul into the Colony....and they have the radio and by your own scenario it doesn't make sense to seek them out in LA....why didn't they just call over the radio?

And just because he didn't hear Saul say it, you can easily see a phone broken in half. If he's emptying out the bag, he probably would have left the items in it on a table or something out in the open.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

I still smell a rat. Perhaps they were not sent to spy but to lure. They use the encrypted police band radios and Glenn states in Chapter 19/2 11:20 that he has Police Radios. They could have been eaves dropping on them since Saul and Victor moved in with CJ.

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It's possible that the Colony could be eavesdropping on the Other Tower's Police Radios, but it's a long-shot. These radios are short range, and they rely on networks of repeaters tuned to specific frequencies in order to talk over distances. It's unlikely that the signal is reaching the Colony, so they'd need to send someone inside the repeaters' range to hear the signals. Plus they're encrypted, with all the radios coded in a manner that's unique to the network. You can break that encryption, but it takes a high powered computer, very specialized software and someone who knows how to do it. And CJ seems paranoid enough that she'd follow SOP and change the encryption key on a regular basis.

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If Saul's voice is recognized and Scratch is still ape-shit over the the Tower folk then why not try to lure someone to the Colony instead of trying to find them in LA? Rough them up a bit, give them a peek at Lizzy. Tell them a few things about who Sean was, where he may have came from. Then let them escape.

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That makes sense. Plus it's likely that Scratch would assume that Saul was with Michael and the other survivors (including Pegs).

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Plus, It make no sense for Glenn to say, "I wasn't going to say anything but I can fix your Satellite Phone." Why WOULDN'T he say that? If he wants to get the heck out he would have blurted out, "Hey Saul, I can fix that!" Instead, he didn't even hear Saul mention the broken phone because he was gibbering on about Roman turing into a zombie.

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We don't know that Glenn missed the Sat Phone. Yes, he was busy talking at the time that Saul found it, but the volume of Saul's voice went up noticeably when he found it and we don't know which way Glenn was looking at the time, he could have seen the phone and realized it was something he could fix. Near the end of the scene he also comments "is that the rest of the soldier's stuff", which indicates that he looked at the stuff Saul pulled from his bag. Besides, why would the Sat Phone have been brought into the story, and left for the survivors to find if it's just going to be thrown away with no payoff?

We were meant to hear Saul mention the phone. Also, even if the phones are encrypted, they can tell that there is some sort of radio chatter. The Dunbars even have a network.

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Besides, if they are trying to lure Saul into the Colony....and they have the radio and by your own scenario it doesn't make sense to seek them out in LA....why didn't they just call over the radio?

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If the radios are encrypted then they would not have been able to just call them up.

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If they are meant to lure and are listening in on police bands, why would Pete bring up the idea of being overheard? That would kinda tip one's hand wouldn't you think?

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Glenn assuages any concern about that by saying that they are encrypted. Besides, Pete is clueless. He's doesn't know what's going on at all. I think they all are, but Pete is the most clueless. He has no idea that he's been sent by the Mallers to do their secret bidding. Example: When Saul is trying to convince CJ that Lizzy is still alive he says Pete mentions Lizzy by name. Pete, trying to be as accurately helpful as possible says, "Well, actually I said Libby, but Lizzy sounds about right." Pete believes his own story because he's is telling the truth about what he knows. He didn't even want to let Saul and Victor into the school. Besides, there is no need for the Mallers to clue in Glenn and Pete on what their mission is. In fact, they might not even know that they are on a mission. They think they escaped, fair and square. They were probably allowed to escape like Luke, Han and Leia did from the Death Star. Also, who in their right mind would send Glenn all alone into deep doodoo voodoo zombieland. He sounds old enough to have overheard the Titanic's distress call first hand. Let him escape with a couple of others for his own protection. Pete must have really wanted to get out of there. His back has been beaten more severely than Glenn's arm.

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Plus, It makes no sense for Glenn to say, "I wasn't going to say anything but I can fix your Satellite Phone." Why WOULDN'T he say that? If he wants to get the heck out he would have blurted out, "Hey Saul, I can fix that!" Instead, he didn't even hear Saul mention the broken phone because he was gibbering on about Roman turning into a zombie.

We don't know that Glenn missed the Sat Phone. Yes, he was busy talking at the time that Saul found it, but the volume of Saul's voice went up noticeably when he found it and we don't know which way Glenn was looking at the time, he could have seen the phone and realized it was something he could fix. Besides, why would the Sat Phone have been brought into the story, and left for the survivors to find if it's just going to be thrown away with no payoff?

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Yes, Glenn could have seen the phone clearly, but it still makes little sense for him to keep to himself his ability to repair the sat phone. If Glenn was thinking to himself, " Ooo, a Sat Phone. I can fix that baby like brand new. Better keep that to myself. I don't trust these guys, yet." Then it wouldn't make sense to say effectively, "I can fix that Sat Phone. I wasn't going to tell you guys that I could do it but then I changed my mind." CJ is already paranoid, that wouldn't help them one bit.

Maybe its because I have tired new dad brain, but I'm not following your logic at all.

The police radios are encrypted. Therefore, they can't be listening in on Saul, Cj and Victor's conversations. But in your original post you said the Mallers could be ever since Saul and Victor moved into Dunbar. Which one is it because it can't be both.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Maybe its because I have tired new dad brain, but I'm not following your logic at all.

The police radios are encrypted. Therefore, they can't be listening in on Saul, Cj and Victor's conversations. But in your original post you said the Mallers could be ever since Saul and Victor moved into Dunbar. Which one is it because it can't be both.

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I believe CJ is changing the encryption codes every time they go out on an errand. I doubt the Mallers or the Colony have/had any electronics experts that could break the encryption. I think I remember Victor mentioning that CJ had changed the codes at one point. I may have to re-listen.

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Originally Posted by wh33t

I believe CJ is changing the encryption codes every time they go out on an errand. I doubt the Mallers or the Colony have/had any electronics experts that could break the encryption. I think I remember Victor mentioning that CJ had changed the codes at one point. I may have to re-listen.

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Well that's my point. If the encryption changes (or even if it stays the same) you can't be listening in to Dunbar conversations at the Colony.

But that was the reason Witch_Doctor said they were sending people out in the first place to find Saul and Victor.

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Originally Posted by witch_doctor

They use the encrypted police band radios and Glenn states in Chapter 19/2 11:20 that he has Police Radios. They could have been eaves dropping on them since Saul and Victor moved in with CJ.

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That's what I'm getting confused by. The colony would have to crack the encryption in order to be able to listen in, if they'd done that, they could call up and have the hook baited to get Saul and another live one to tell Scratch where the Tower survivors went.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Well that's my point. If the encryption changes (or even if it stays the same) you can't be listening in to Dunbar conversations at the Colony.

But that was the reason Witch_Doctor said they were sending people out in the first place to find Saul and Victor.



That's what I'm getting confused by. The colony would have to crack the encryption in order to be able to listen in, if they'd done that, they could call up and have the hook baited to get Saul and another live one to tell Scratch where the Tower survivors went.

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I should have clarified, I'm supporting your arguments ;)

For my own sake, I am going to completely drop the notion that Glenn and Pete are moles or spies. Pete would have to be one hell of a well trained spy to use reverse psychology so well. Recall that he didn't want anything to do with Saul and Victor. If he were a spy, he would have done his best to be likeable and trust worthy to be privy to any and all information available.
Then there is Glenn. He had no reason to be pissed at Victor, right out. At first he was probably one of the only people living at the colony that knew in his aged heart of hearts that Victor would never try to betray the colony. So when Gatekeeper told the colony folk that Victor and the new arrivals had tried to sabotage the colony, Glen was probably one of the only one's to say, "Now just hold on a second there, fella. I don't think Victor would do such a thing. That nice young man saved my life once."
It wasn't until Glen met up with Victor and Saul did he learn that Victor had intentionally taken all the guns and ammo with him, thereby leaving the colony folk in a lurch.

BUT...there is possibility that Glen and Pete are carrying a tracking device of some sort and don't know it. The Mallers may have been brilliant enough to let Roman, Glen, and Pete think they were escaping when in reality the Mallers just said, let them go, we'll track them later. Although I think it's an unlikely scenario, I do believe it is more probable than Glen and/or Pete being outright spies for the Mallers.

My favorite theory: Glen, Roman, and Pete miraculously escaped from the colony. Roman got turned. Saul and Victor stumble upon Glen and Pete. It's as simple as has been explained to us. :D

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Originally Posted by wh33t

I should have clarified, I'm supporting your arguments ;)

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I told you I was tired.......*zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

My favorite theory: Glen, Roman, and Pete miraculously escaped from the colony. Roman got turned. Saul and Victor stumble upon Glen and Pete. It's as simple as has been explained to us. :D

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Well that's no fun! I'm with you though. I just thought Glenn and Pete escaping on their own merits seemed a bit unlikely, but perhaps now that the Mallers have inherited plenty of slaves and a pre-built compound perhaps they are more slack watching over their slaves.

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Originally Posted by wh33t

Well that's no fun! I'm with you though. I just thought Glenn and Pete escaping on their own merits seemed a bit unlikely, but perhaps now that the Mallers have inherited plenty of slaves and a pre-built compound perhaps they are more slack watching over their slaves.

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I was thinking that this could also be a subtle hint from the author that the Colony isn't so locked down as it used to be. Perhaps since the Maller take-over, not only have living conditions taken a nose dive, but security is falling apart too. Maybe Ft. Irwin won't need to attack the colony. There is always the chance that the biters could over run that place.

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

I was thinking that this could also be a subtle hint from the author that the Colony isn't so locked down as it used to be. Perhaps since the Maller take-over, not only have living conditions taken a nose dive, but security is falling apart too. Maybe Ft. Irwin won't need to attack the colony. There is always the chance that the biters could over run that place.

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Nice, totally valid imo.

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

My favorite theory: Glen, Roman, and Pete miraculously escaped from the colony. Roman got turned. Saul and Victor stumble upon Glen and Pete. It's as simple as has been explained to us. :D

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I agree with you on this. I think Glen, Roman and Pete ran away and got lucky in meeting Saul and Victor, with no ulterior motives.

But, just for the sake of argument, there is the possiblity that one or more of the escapees could be a spy, with the Mallers holding hostages to guarantee that they report back. Scratch has done this before. Maybe Glen has a girlfriend. Or Scratch could be holding Pete's beloved water bottles.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

I agree with you on this. I think Glen, Roman and Pete ran away and got lucky in meeting Saul and Victor, with no ulterior motives.

But, just for the sake of argument, there is the possiblity that one or more of the escapees could be a spy, with the Mallers holding hostages to guarantee that they report back. Scratch has done this before. Maybe Glen has a girlfriend. Or Scratch could be holding Pete's beloved water bottles.

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Now that you mention it... Doesn't anyone think it's a little strange that Pete maintained his store? Pete mentions that Lizzy came into his "store"... What the hell would he be doing running a store when the Mallers have shown up and turned everyone into slaves?

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Originally Posted by wh33t

Now that you mention it... Doesn't anyone think it's a little strange that Pete maintained his store? Pete mentions that Lizzy came into his "store"... What the hell would he be doing running a store when the Mallers have shown up and turned everyone into slaves?

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They probably didn't want to disrupt the flow too much. They just wanted to take over and enjoy the "cushy" lifestyle. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
They likely left Glen working at the communications station, but put Tardust as his boss. I can see anyone who didn't shut up and do as they were told became a slave or dead. The slaves that were already slaves, just had a new safe haven to work as slaves. I bet there were even folks, like some of the guardians, who were happy the mallers arrived. Some guys, like Thumpkin, seemed off kilter and probably wanted to act a bit crazier than management at the Colony allowed.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Glenn assuages any concern about that by saying that they are encrypted.

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Assuages? Nice vocab. No sarcasm!! Seriously!! (My mom was an english teacher)

Also - Luke, Han and Leia? Nice.