You mean passageways that we know about, never know what elso might be under there in Kc world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
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You mean passageways that we know about, never know what elso might be under there in Kc world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Speaking of Michael, WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM IN THE WATER FACILITY!?Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Squids...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
teeheeQuote:
Originally Posted by kc
Go figure, the Navy breaks an Army's arm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
What if Tanya was the slow turner that she used the meds on but when she used it worked and she used the same meds on sol. They were used for fight bacteria and the haze was full of bacteria(theory). So, do you think Tanya actually has the cure?
She has definitely had the opportunity more than any other. Treating z's, she is known to try and curb the virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godsendunlimited
Between 3:30 and 3:47 I can hear sirens. Is this a sound mixing error or am I miss hearing something else?
Saul makes the comment "...rotting bodies were scattered all over..." -- After 3 months, shouldn't the bodies be completely rotted and decomposed and not "rotting"?
When Saul, stuck his hand into the crack, I kept thinking "No Saul, No Saul,..." I just knew he was going to drop the camera and they were going to have to find a way to retrieve it, which would have led to one of them running out of air and the "last dying breath".
I didn't, however, fall for the "arm grab". As soon as Saul started screaming, I knew he was just f-ing with Victor.
That's a good point, there would have to be a constant flow of the haze since the outbreak, otherwise a single "burst" it would have dissipated by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
We really don't know much about the "red shirts" of the tower and we only know about a handful of the Colony so there could be more. Also, I know this might sound racist, but (statistically) a large percentage of prison populations are African-American, so logically many of the Mallers should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Now that's a show I'd want to be a contestant on.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Crab people! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
No, but the Newport-Inglewood-Rose Canyon Fault Zone is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Indeed. An ancient bacteria that was trapped deep under the Earth and released during a minor quake. Biologists have discovered bacteria living in rock strata a mile down... it's not that much of a stretch of the imagination that there is more to be discovered several miles down. The danger there is that It would likely disappeared from the surface of the Earth millions of years before primate evolution began. If the Inglewood cracks play out along these lines, I'd be curious to see if there are any insects surviving at "Ground Zero."Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Doubtful, because it would seem that whatever it is it is killing the trees too... if that is the case and this thing kills everything, then I posit that this thing has been absent from the surface for nearly the entirety of Earths history. It would have emerged in the Archean Eon, then have been "sequestered" "shortly" thereafter. As hostile to life as this thing seems to be, it would have to be for the rest of evolution to have progressed.
Dr. Tanya did say that they tried the Super-Antibiotic cocktail on a "slow-burn" infected, but it didn't work. Perhaps Saul having it in his system before possible infection granted him immunity.
I just wish that I had posted my thoughts on this sooner. I already had the sub-surface bacteriological idea before this weeks episode. Hearing that there were cracks in the ground cemented it for me.
I think it is the vehicles rpms changing and wind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Not necessarily. Remember that there are no animals or insects and possibly not even normal decomposition bacteria living in the area. These all play a huge part in the rotting process. So it would only be the affect of the weather. The bodies are probably more like ones that are covered and sealed in a 'normal' situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ericcartman
In association to all i'm plugging three things together from what we learned today. And it could be far fetched i admit that.
1. Cracks that go far underground from (possibly) a minor earth quake. That they beileve could be a gas leak
2. Way back when in chapter one Michael hears a boom that makes him leave his classroom
3. Many almost all zombies turn within seconds or a minute.
Could this 'boom' be from ground zero?
OH alex freaking awesome idea! how far was Michael from ground zero?Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
Lemme throw this around
The buildings on the street had burned. Burned...not blown up..leads me to believe gas line breaks...not gas line booms...im putting something together in my head...
O... M... G...
I just saw this quote on the "Favorite Quotes", where Datu says to Michael "Michael, I've seen some scary things in my life...but Kelly? Like that?" That is Kelly naked and wet, because of showering.
So we know that Kelly is horny. Was she trying to get IT ON with Datu way back when!!! First Kalani now Datu. Ok, It happened to Datu first, but still.
Again the problem I have with this is the timing and perhaps the location of the University/College in relation to Inglewood. If there was an underground explosion of that sort of level that he could hear, then it is likely that the might have felt the ground move. To make cracks in the ground of that size it needs to be a reasonable major jolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
An earthquake or explosion wasn't something that any of the reports they collected in the Tower mentions. It seems to be likely that might have come up at some point.
Also, he left class and depending on how long it took to find a TV there were already reports from the news stations which would seem to fast to me.
On the other hand I have no other explanation for how this occurred at all. :)
And this is what I'm wrapping my head around...did the cracks cause the boom..or the boom cause the cracks...when your given so little info..the natural progression is to tie them togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Just means we have to work it from both angles... which at the moment hurts my brainQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Here's my problem with the earthquake releases ancient bacteria problem. The outbreak happened simultaneously throughout a number of major cities. The only way that could have happened is if there were a number of earthquakes in a number of different places. And if there was something like that taking place, then we would have heard about the earthquake that came before the outbreak. Also if the boom michael heard was the earthquake that began the outbreak, then they would have mentioned crazy shaking. An earthquake would need to be an 8 or higher to start cracking the ground open the way it was described, and I guarantee you that everyone would have felt a level 8 earthquake. Just my two cents. Also angel still isn't back yet. :(
I'm still keeping to my theory that the cracks are impact-cracks, form something landing with major force.
1. Cracks run only locally (Inglewood is not that big), an earthquake would cause larger cracks and buildings would collapse, not burn.
2. Michael and other survivors must have felt the ground shaking. - But they did not
3. None of the news teams reported the ground shaking, which would be their reason to go to Inglewood.
4. Buildings were burnt, my guess is that whatever landed also burned with the rest.
5. Also explaines the dead corpses, these were people who died during the impact/ crash, not by zombies.
Only problem I see with this theory is the BIG BOOM we heard in Chapter 1. If that BOOM was the crashing of the vessel, the news reports were on it way to soon. However, if something landed and then exploded, that would give the news crew time to be there on time.
Thoughts anyone?:)
Just as an aside. As a geology student I can tell you that anything biological underground in Hawaii is likely to be crispy fried due to all the magmatic chambers under the island and the fact that the island isn't all that old. Also the idea of multiple earthquakes is very unlikely as we know from the news casts from season 1 (The two things, Part 3) it is in multiple cities (Detroit, San Diego, New York, Houston, Chicago) across america and internationally. None of other mentioned (save San Diego) cities are near a Fault system, so a tectonic hazard is out of it.
Also the Saul's Antibiotics didn't save the infected person, but what if the are acting to prevent Infection. It is mentioned that they stop the reproduction of bacteria right? So what if they are stopping the initial infection from spreading, acting as an inhibitor and slowing the growth of the zombism. This might lead to Saul gaining a form of immunity, as now he has been infected with a weakened version of the virus (like an inoculation) due to the bacteria being weakened from the Antibiotics in his system.
The Salk Institute?
http://www.salk.edu/
Nah, it is too far south
alright, i try to keep the more "crackpot" stuff out of the chapter discussion threads...but here we go....fiction ahead.
ive been thinking along similar lines to leah's above post about impact cracks. really something about the entire description of the scenery at ground zero didnt add up. as many others have mentioned, an earthquake type thing couldn't have caused them..people would have mentioned that..the explosion couldnt have been underground...michael likely wouldnt have heard it from his location at school..
sooo
saul can joke about it as much as he wants, but to my outside eye..this feels very alien. the way im seeing it is this; ship enters our atmospere at a high enough velocity heading straight for the ground that a sonic boom of sorts happens over not just inglewood, but all of LA..hence michael hearing it from the school..obviously the ship or whatever must have been relatively small to avoid burning up on entry..and something like that could hit the earth with enough force to cause the cracks but perhaps it didnt stop at the surface..it just kept goin down...leaving us with a lovely alien bacteria soup up here to deal with...and i mean, shit..if i were invading another planet, first thing i would do is bring in something that would cause the planets top species to wipe itself out...hands free genocide..heh
well enough of my made up stuff..(ive been reading a ton of hard sci fi lately, can you tell?)
another thing though...what if saul isnt immune, but simply a carrier? wonder why lizzies getting sick...
kaw
I'm assuming that exposure to The Haze caused the zombie outbreak. I'm also assuming that Ground Zero's explosions (Michael Bay!) and cracks in the ground allowed more of The Haze to escape all at once and that it continues to escape at larger, more toxic levels than anywhere else (otherwise it would dissipate with the first Santa Ana). That all sort of implies a massive and continuous supply of the stuff.
If you say natural disaster, you have to account for Ink and his prescient tattoos. If you say manmade, you have to account for the science of it all.
::Edited to Add:: It acts like a toxin and a disease at the same time.
Yeah... I already brought that up back on page 7 with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
Also,Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Several people brought this up, but we should keep in mind that anyone around the boom was likely turned or killed. And Michael was 20 miles away from the boom, I think it mentions in Chapter 1...Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Right, that's my issue with the whole earthquake theory. It would be one thing if they were all around the Ring of Fire (still really unlikely), but the reports on the TIVO Lizzy finds mention cities like Houston and Chicago... not near any fault lines there that I know of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
A viral outbreak of 'natural' origins is generally only going to have one epicenter. If there are multiple epicenters to the overall pandemic, that points to only one cause: bio-terrorism.
The cracks aren't just local (see above). The thing I can't figure out is, if this is caused by bio-terrorists, then why the underground delivery of the bacteria and why an explosion?? The only thing that could cause cracks like that is either an underground explosion or earthquake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leah
Also, I mentioned back on page 7 that the cracks probably spiderwebbed out from a central blast site, but in listening again Vic saw the crack get to a maximum width of 6 inches and then narrow again from there. This would mean no central blast site or UFO impact landing site. Didn't Kc already dispel that one with his joke about dead aliens?
Now that's something new... that Saul has been inoculated by a Zombie booster shot, of a kind. Gave you rep for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triggernator
The questions that pops into my head all the time is what is Tanya hiding under her bandage. Did she burn herself in surgery? Or is she hiding something else? What about Saul and his medicine? What is in his medicine?Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I liked the banter Between Saul and Vicky. Saul is really getting into his stride with all the film quotes, cheesetastic.
I was on the edge of my seat with all of KC's "Red Herrings" though, the arm in the crack, Sauls fall etc. Glad they both survived, but I had a feeling they would.
I still think CJ is treating VicSaul as pawns though. She's still holding back info from them. Designating which tank is whose? Hmmm. Also, why not give them extra tanks in the car? That way, their stay is extended and they have a sure supply for the journey home. The car won't mind carrying the extra weight, surely?
Everyone has been pointing to the explosion Michael heard in his classroom as possibly being the point at which the ground ruptured in Inglewood. It's possible but I do agree that there likely would have been early reports of earthquakes and what not, despite the fact that the bigger news of people acting batshit crazy was taking place. I can't overlook the fact that perhaps there were reports of earthquakes but we just didn't hear about them. As far as I know, earthquakes are pretty common place in L.A., right? So perhaps the survivors did experience earthquakes, but the more pressing matter of zombies has been occupying thier mind. It doesn't seem so unlikely that the minute more survivors learn about the cracks that people could start saying, "Yeah, come to think of it, I did feel tremors."
We DO HAVE ONE DOCUMENTED CASE FROM THE MAIN CHARACTER in episode 2-1, May 8th, the day of the outbreak. I documented it in the time line long ago. Michael take guard duty and puts his back to the door. He notes that he feels vibrations and dismisses them as distant explosions. It could have been more earthquakes, possibly on a more severe and news worthy level.
As to what caused them or what is in the Haze, I have no clue. I did like Triggernator's post but we also have to suspend a certain amount of disbelief. Although I think some research into the hardy bacteria that survive in harsh climates are worth reading into. There are some amazing things to be found in deep sea thermal vents, though I don't imagine any bacteria can thrive in magma. I really did put a lot of stock into the alien theory, especially with the groups of zombies acting in a military fashion, but it seems that is falling apart as a solid theory since there were no badass spaceships to be found at ground zero.
A couple questions for me from the episode:
1) Were the cars set up as roadblocks to keep ppl out, or just left random/riot style?
2) Saul asks Victor twice if he's doing ok, and tries to make Victor take the entire tank before they get to the car. Did he already know he's immune or is the point that he tells Victor that the air is good and it's not proof that it's a surprise to him?
3) Will Saul's knee scrape be more proof of his immunity? If it's an open wound, is that a route to infection?
4) If the crack is big enough that foundations and houses are falling in, why is he taking dollar bill wide - 6" pic's?
5) Victor has a history of seeing sewer and gas lines? Was he more than an insurance salesman?
Zombie Trees! - Cue the Whomping Willows and Treebeards!Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Oh Yeah, I forgot about those vibrations.... but they could very well be the explosions caused by fires in Inglewood:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Don't give up on the alien theory yet! The spaceships might have burnt, or what if they weren't spaceships put man-made toxic-gas bombs? Alien or not, an absence of spaceships or whatever does not mean there weren't any.
Going back to my impact-cracks theory:
1. Cracks run only locally (Inglewood is not that big), an earthquake would cause larger cracks and buildings would collapse, not burn.
2. Michael and other survivors must have felt the ground shaking. - But they did not
3. None of the news teams reported the ground shaking, which would be their reason to go to Inglewood.
4. Buildings were burnt, my guess is that whatever landed also burned with the rest.
5. Also explaines the dead corpses, these were people who died during the impact/ crash, not by zombies.
AND ADDING TO THE LIST (forgot who mentioned it)
6. The cracks get narrower towards the end, indicating a crash site
Maybe she was in Ingelwood when it happened? Or near it?Quote:
Originally Posted by zombiesurvivor
I don't know if this has been said before, but has anyone thrown out the possibility of an Umbrella style cause? World organization begins developing a biological weapon around the world, another organization finds out, sets out to destroy organization #1 and inadvertently sets off the zombie apocalypse.
Adventureless Hero just pointed me to a huge hole in my theory... They did not see any craters....
If the cracks were caused by an impact, there must be a crater.
Did Saul and Vicky just miss it?? Mmmm not so sure...
Yeah...it kind of shoots it down. I'm sorry about that, especially since you encouraged me to keep the faith in my alien theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leah
I believe that we just may be over thinking things a bit. That is, putting more thought into the plausibility of things happening than the writer did when writing the story. In the real world some of our theories might not pan out due to limitations of physics and biology but this is a work of fiction. Although KC has, thus far, woven a masterful tale it is still possible that not everything would happen in the story as it would in reality.
Just wondering, Could Tanya be lying about the slow turner? Out all of the event we noticed the zombis turn quickly but we only have Tanya's account of slow turner. She seem to be hold back a lot of secrets.
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Only Cracks, No Craters
Listen to it again, folks...
Victor says at 10:28, "This is as wide as it gets here. The rest gets smaller."
And at 10:45, "It's about as wide as a dollar. What's that... six inches?"
And at 10:51, "And it goes deep."
So that means
NO CRATERS
NO SURFACE EXPLOSIONS WITH DEBRIS FLYING EVERYWHERE
NO UFO CRASH OR ANY OTHER IMPACT CRASH
The only way it could be a UFO crash would be if your hypothetical alien ship were as thin as a butter knife and happened to do an intergalactic pencil-dive into downtown Inglewood, USA. But even that would leave some dust and rubble debris around, so yeah... can we finally put the UFO theories to bed?
Or are you going to tell me next that the exhaust vents on the flying saucer must have vaporized the rubble when it landed?!??
On the Fire
Doesn't mean that anything crashed. Hell, maybe some guy was ironing when he got chomped by a Zed-Head and accidentally burned his house and the whole block down when he went off hunting for more victims. Maybe someone's candle collection fell over. Maybe a guy was smoking in his hay-loft when his Zombinated wife came up to get a snack... Could have been anything that caused the fire. There are probably dozens of fires that happen around a big city every day, and with no fire dept. on duty to take care of it, it's no wonder a whole block burned to the ground.
Boy, I haven't had this much talk about cracks since the plumber last came to visit :D [cue rimshot!]
Ok, ok... I won't quit my day job.
Todd, stop groaning!
And Nik, quit rolling your eyes!