Chapter 27- The Thirty-First Part 1

I’m thinking Pippen convinced Latch and Scratch to dump Kalani on the side of the road or plant him near LAX and keep his daughter as motivation for Kalani to do what they want.

Scratch has that voice that is iconic. The second you hear it all the emotion it can stir up in you goes crazy. Excellent job casting her KC.

I don’t think the Mallers thought flying was a viable option anymore, or they thought that Kalani being a pilot would make it that much easier for him to be accepted into a new group. Scratch and the leader of the Mallers (Sorry I am blanking on his name at the moment) seem to always have a good plan so I doubt they would just hand a pilot over to “the enemy” without a concrete plan.

Aw, so bummed I couldn't jump on here sooner! (Yay 12 hour work day and crashing instantly once I got home!)

Great episode! Excited to see at least some of my theory be true for once. Kalani, Hannah and Pippen being picked up by the Mallers prior to Kalani going to The Other Tower (CJ's Tower). I'm sorry Nickvoodoo, but I refuse to believe he was a Rat my accident, that man is a good ol' fashioned blackmailed rat! Why would he lie to CJ about being the only survivor off the plane? He was going to assist the Mallers in infiltrating CJ's Tower in order to get his daughter back from their captive hold.

Of course it could have very well been an accident at Michael's Tower, I do like NickVoodoo's theory there. Obviously finding himself alive and well he wanted to get in to contact with the Mallers again because let's face it, your daughter is in trouble, you're going to continue to try to save her. I guess we'll see, did he intentionally screw over Michael's Tower... or was it just pure accident?

But Kalani being the rat has to be a definite at this point, why would we be focusing on it so much. I was actually kind of bummed the theory wasn't even touched up on on the last We're Not Dead Podcast.

Now Pippen, I have a funny feeling that man screwed over Kalani a lot more, more than just leaving him at the fence during the airport escape. I have a feeling Pippen is the reason Kalani is in the situation... Even willing to bet he was rat number two for the Mallers. It will be interesting to see if Kalani was the shooter, even though it hasn't been said, I have a feeling Pippen really screwed him over at some point. REALLY need to go back and listen to those episodes.

I'm also insanely interested to see if Kalani is even alive. I remember someone saying his body wasn't in the helicopter... Did he walk away from it? Did the Mallers snag him out of there, do they have more use out of him? Could be interesting..

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Originally Posted by clem131

(sidenote: I was performing tedious tasks on medical machinery late yesterday night, and I listened to the old episodes to pass time. It wasn't until I got to the Mark of the Beast chapter, that I realized I was all alone, in a dark hospital ward, with lights off except in the room I was in. Kalani and Riley exploring the mental hospital... Damn, not doing that EVER AGAIN)

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Same thing happened to me last week my grandma was having six hour surgery on her shoulder. I was loitering and the lights to the shop behind me shut off. :''0

VidjaGamez summed up my thoughts rather well, with the exception being at the end there. I'm am not at all inclined to believe Kalani is still alive, however, Scratch may have collected his body just to be a bastard, thinking she can return it to Michael the way John's body was returned to her.

But yes, I agree with VidjaGamez and most of what Nik is theorizing; Kalani may have contacted the Mallers when arriving at Michael's Tower, then realized that he could possibly use his new allies to take out the Mallers completely. I am assuming he fired the shot that jump started the inevitable war.

My biggest questions center around Hannah and her current state. Is she dead or alive? Here is what keeps me wondering:

1) Girl at the Golf Course This seems to be a popular theory; that Hannah was the red headed girl at the golf course who was taken in place of Lizzie. Of course if this was Hannah she is now worm food on a par 4, and this would certainly lead Kalani to sacrifice himself, both out of vengeance of his deceased daughter and to protect his good friends in the Tower. But I'm not quite sold on this thoery yet because I have no evidence that Kalani was ever told the details of what took place on the golf course. I'll have to go back and listen to chapter 24 very thoroughly. It could be that as little as "they swapped some red headed girl for Lizzie at the golf course." If Kalani heard that I imagine he could assume his Hannah was killed, but we don't have evidence that anyone told him this, yet. It would suck if the Mallers had more than one red headed girl (if Hannah is indeed a red head) and Kalani, assumed his daughter was executed but it just ended up being some random red head. This leads me to the next possibility:

2) Hannah is still Alive Not much has been mentioned about Scratch's comment in chapter 24. Nik mentioned it and forgive me if anyone else did, but anyway Scratch says she would be willing to swap two Tower members in her captive for Pegs. We know Scratch has Lizzie, but the other person in her keep is a mystery. It could be Lizzie's unborn child, Skittles, or Hannah. I'm willing to bet my Batman boxers that it is Hannah. But Kalani's line just before he kamikazes, "that girl...that was my Hannah" really throws me for a loop as it sounds as though he is talking about her as though she were deceased. Which leads me to my last possibility:

3) Hannah is D-E-D, dead When Kalani says, "that girl...that was my Hannah" my gears get turning so much that I can actually grow dizzy contemplating the meaning of this. I sometimes interpret it as though Angel is supposed to know who that girl is. I then think what girl did Angel come into contact with? Did they tell him about the red head who received a field lobotomy? Or could it be some other gal? It is a very slim chance, but I was thinking what if that girl that Riley and Angel tried to save outside the Arena was Hannah. While trying to escape the Arena Kalani may have seen her corpse. It's a very slim chance though since we didn't get any kind of emotional reaction from him at the time so I very, very much doubt this possibility. If Hannah is dead and Kalani knows it, then it would make sense as to why they find him in such a terrible state at the Arena. He could have resolved to let himself die, then settle on vengeance on the Mallers. Also, at some point he may have come to terms with her death and decided he could live on. That would explain his want to get the hell out of the Tower and go to some place else, far away from the Mallers. "That girl...that was my Hannah" could also be Kalani referencing to her in his journal, as if to say, "Hey, that girl you are going to read about, that was my Hannah...my little angel." Or it could be a reference to the red head on the golf course. It is too hard to say.

I am still leaning towards very likely possibility that Pippin is very much involved with the Mallers blackmailing Kalani into being a rat. Hell, Pippin is kind of a skeevey bastard. We may end up hearing a very difficult-to-bear rape scene. :( I really hope not though.

ohh god i cant wait for the next part of this chapter ohh god it needs to come out today.. that would be way better....:mad:

ohhh god u guys hear the last part of that podcast? ohhhh god i cant believe scratch... scratch as in johns sister.....

I really enjoyed the flashback episode. It reckons back to the beginning and hearing what people did to survive. It would be nice to hear more of these flashback stories, like Victor's. I'm sure he has an interesting story. Didn't Kelly spot a wedding ring tan line?

I also really liked how Kc juxtaposed the two story lines Saul/Victor/Chinwe and Michael/Tanya/Kalani's Journal. Even though the groups are seperated, they are both discovering more about Kalani's history and by extension, the listeners also.

Things seem to be lining up nicely to peg Kalani as the Rat/Shooter. I look forward to hearing more to see what else will be prove to be true and what will be shot to pieces.

So, in the next episode I think perhaps we can expect more from Kalani's journal. According to him he was picked up by Sean the day after he crash landed. This could be a lie but I'm going to assume it's true. So he spent a night with the Mallers.

The funny thing is I hated most things about Kalani once we got to know him wayyy wayyy back. Now, I love the guy. I now believe that he is the best acted character, maybe close 2nd to Scratch. Being an Englishman I am a lil peeved that Pippen is really English and his accent is supposed to be genuine. His accent stinks and sounds super annoying and I was excited to find out he was faking his accent so he could be a spy. Now he is just a Scumbag.....major scumbag. I am so excited to find out what CJ has to say about the zombies. It appears as though they had tons of time at the tower to study the zombies and had plenty of scout teams who took detailed reports. I wouldnt be surprised if CJ had some reports about our tower. I expect the Bohemoth battle at the water tower will be on there as will the Arena.

I will be really upset to find out that the zombies were created by a voodoo curse..... LAME! With all of the attention to details and logic, so bring in the supernatural would be very un-natural.

Also....is there any relevance to the songs Michael was playing on his guitar...I recognized the songs but wouldnt be able to figure them out.

Well....all for now....this episode was top notch cant wait for more!

OK.....I just had an interesting idea;

Something BAD happened to Hannah. I figure Hannah was killed when Kalani and Hannah tried to escape the mallers once they realized it was all male inmates and Kalani tried to get Hannah away from them. So Kalani became infatuated with revenge. So yes, Kalani was the rat....but he wasnt WORKING FOR THE MALLERS....he was working on a way to get back at them. He probably fired the shot during the party. So He got on the radio, lured scratch and co to the tower, and tried to take her out. Pippen got "a sunroof put in his skull" because he had a part to play in Hannah's death. So the grande finale; Kalani flies the chopper into the tanker as his last shot at getting back at the mallers and a way to payback Michael and co for thier hospitality.

Point is, I dont think Kalani changed alligence from mallers to the tower but I think Kalani's motives changed from selfish revenge to the great cause........

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Originally Posted by Bulldog711

OK.....I just had an interesting idea;

Something BAD happened to Hannah. I figure Hannah was killed when Kalani and Hannah tried to escape the mallers once they realized it was all male inmates and Kalani tried to get Hannah away from them. So Kalani became infatuated with revenge. So yes, Kalani was the rat....but he wasnt WORKING FOR THE MALLERS....he was working on a way to get back at them. He probably fired the shot during the party. So He got on the radio, lured scratch and co to the tower, and tried to take her out. Pippen got "a sunroof put in his skull" because he had a part to play in Hannah's death. So the grande finale; Kalani flies the chopper into the tanker as his last shot at getting back at the mallers and a way to payback Michael and co for thier hospitality.

Point is, I dont think Kalani changed alligence from mallers to the tower but I think Kalani's motives changed from selfish revenge to the great cause........

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?!?!?!?! Are you Dopple-Ganger Adventureless_Hero?!?!?!

lol, I posted the same idea and even used the sun-roof quote. Wtf? LOL!

My post on page 3

Oh yeah, not sure if we have discussed the chapter art. Is Ink going to come back or will he be discussed this chapter? Besides the snakes and various other bits and pieces there are a couple of interesting things I thought when I looked at it.
- The blue kind of staining over the hand. Is that because of being a zombie?
- The chemical structure drawing on the wrist and on the pinkie finger. Seems a weird thing to be tattooed on someone's hand without a reason to back it up. If this is ink I am guessing this might give us an insight into his back story.
Can anyone make out anything else of significance?

just a side note, anyone think that Pippin was poking a little fun at Kalani's weight @ 14:42

Not important I just kind of found that Pippin was a dick from the get-go

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Originally Posted by cupcakezombie

Oh yeah, not sure if we have discussed the chapter art. Is Ink going to come back or will he be discussed this chapter? Besides the snakes and various other bits and pieces there are a couple of interesting things I thought when I looked at it.
- The blue kind of staining over the hand. Is that because of being a zombie?
- The chemical structure drawing on the wrist and on the pinkie finger. Seems a weird thing to be tattooed on someone's hand without a reason to back it up. If this is ink I am guessing this might give us an insight into his back story.
Can anyone make out anything else of significance?

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there's a thread started about the tats in the chapter section. Most if it appears to be voodoo based...im hesitant to do my usual over-analysis because who knows if it's actually significant what the "markings" are...

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Originally Posted by cupcakezombie

Oh yeah, not sure if we have discussed the chapter art. Is Ink going to come back or will he be discussed this chapter? Besides the snakes and various other bits and pieces there are a couple of interesting things I thought when I looked at it.
- The blue kind of staining over the hand. Is that because of being a zombie?
- The chemical structure drawing on the wrist and on the pinkie finger. Seems a weird thing to be tattooed on someone's hand without a reason to back it up. If this is ink I am guessing this might give us an insight into his back story.
Can anyone make out anything else of significance?

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Yeah, the backstory on Ink is going to be very interesting, especially because CJ is going to be so motivated to get baypack.


Uh, just for clarity's sake, when we all refer to
- Ink
- Pinstripes
-The One With The Markings
- Bill Roberts


We are all talking about the same zombie dude, right? Perhaps you've seen him? Tall, blue, tattooed... snappy dresser... likes howling commands from rooftops??

I just realized, but the two groups (Saul, Victor, CJ & Fort Irwin peeps) will be hearing different information about Kalani's past. The people at Fort Irwin will be getting nothing but the truth, straight from the horse's mouth. Whereas the other 3 won't have even started reading at this point, as all their info will be from when Shaun picks Kalani up. I'm really interested to see if there will be differing points of information from the two groups.
I would like to see if the groups have different reactions. The fort Irwin group forgiving Kalani, and understanding his choices and actions, whereas Saul and Victor could be angry with him, and throw him some post-mortem hate.
It would be cool if somewhere down the line (when they regroup), they have a little argument, or if they fill each other in on the blanks.

And then Saul will fly off the handle in the face of your so called "facts" and "reason" and continue on his merry way leaving Micheal and Victor to trade WAR with Saul stories.

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Originally Posted by litmaster

Uh, just for clarity's sake, when we all refer to
- Ink
- Pinstripes
-The One With The Markings
- Bill Roberts


We are all talking about the same zombie dude, right? Perhaps you've seen him? Tall, blue, tattooed... snappy dresser... likes howling commands from rooftops??

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Are you sure about that? Everyone has a different way to describe the Pimp Ass Zombie in their own way....No one has the same description...

I am I the only one that speculated that, bill Roberts created himself some doppelgangers? Its a totally silly notion, but so is idea of us using so many different names for one person. People are different...they use different names /ways to describe the same thing. Why would ink/bill/towtm/pinstripes be any different?

That was a great episode! I like the backstory of Kalani's. And nice to hear Latch's voice again and to a lesser extent Pippin. Some of the stuff Pippin was saying makes me think he knew more than we thought. Especially about the outbreak. Maybe it was just the actors way of saying it, but it was suspicious to me when he was talking about the outbreak spreading over to the states so quickly. Anyways he is dead now so who cares. Maybe we will get more where were they when it happened episodes. I like that stuff.

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Originally Posted by litmaster

Yeah, the backstory on Ink is going to be very interesting, especially because CJ is going to be so motivated to get baypack.


Uh, just for clarity's sake, when we all refer to
- Ink
- Pinstripes
-The One With The Markings
- Bill Roberts


We are all talking about the same zombie dude, right? Perhaps you've seen him? Tall, blue, tattooed... snappy dresser... likes howling commands from rooftops??

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Are you sure about that? Everyone has a different way to describe the Pimp Ass Zombie in their own way....No one has the same description...

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That and I'm not sure if everyone has come to a general consensus that The One With Markings and Pinstripes/Ink are the same one. It seems likely but its unconfirmed. Remember even Angel and Kalani were demanding that answer from Skittles?

I have this badass mental image of a flesh toned behemoth with all these strange Aboriginal designs imbedded on it's skin as being The One with Markings while Pinstripes/Ink is a tall dude with green eyes and bluish skin, and tattoos.

This might seem a trivial question, but Saul and Victor found the "directions" to the garden at the tower rubble. Now that we know the garden was CJ's, who at the tower battle would've had those directions?

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Originally Posted by Jordan531

This might seem a trivial question, but Saul and Victor found the "directions" to the garden at the tower rubble. Now that we know the garden was CJ's, who at the tower battle would've had those directions?

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Not uberly trivial. Just may not ever get the answer until the series is over....

It honestly could be anyone since it was a freshly turned Zombie. One of CJ's people (though that is seeming pretty unlikely right now), a Maller, another group, but we know it can't be a Tower member. Saul would have recognized him most likely....

.....then again he also thought "It's Paul" was actually Paul....

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Are you sure about that? Everyone has a different way to describe the Pimp Ass Zombie in their own way....No one has the same description...

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Yeah, I agree. It seems likely that they are all one in the same, but we have no nail in that coffin yet

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Originally Posted by cupcakezombie

Oh yeah, not sure if we have discussed the chapter art. Is Ink going to come back or will he be discussed this chapter? Besides the snakes and various other bits and pieces there are a couple of interesting things I thought when I looked at it.
- The blue kind of staining over the hand. Is that because of being a zombie?
- The chemical structure drawing on the wrist and on the pinkie finger. Seems a weird thing to be tattooed on someone's hand without a reason to back it up. If this is ink I am guessing this might give us an insight into his back story.
Can anyone make out anything else of significance?

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Here's the link
It seems a mix of concepts that are meaningful if you think he's the creator of the plague in some way. So, is he being possessed by a Voodoo Loa, or is he just rambly crazy?...or both?

An expieriment gone awry. No voodoo, bad science done on degenerates of society. The same thing happens in real life. That's my theory :)

Not convinced Pin stripe is tattoed/blue. Would trained soldiers used to looking for weapons not have noticed his hands? even with his back turned? I live in a bad neighborhood and always check peoples hands.

I feel that now it is virtually certain Kalani was the shooter, but unsure on rat. I think Saul and Victor will hear an incomplete story on Kalani as they only have a 3 day period where he was in contact with CJ to hear about, but Michael etc will hear everything from the journal. Speaking of journals, I think we will find out what Tanya found out from reading the journals at some point in this chapter, maybe as the end of chapter cliffhanger, as we are on the subject of journals so it would, in my opinion, be a logical step forward.

I'm sort of dreading this part of the story because I have a daughter and the inklings I have about what is going to happen tell me it will make me deeply unhappy.

Win! I even got a very large portion of the details correct! Kalani is most certainly the shooter and can be assumed to be the rat! KC if you mess with my victory I will be very sad. Please tell me there are some Rep points coming my way.

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

That and I'm not sure if everyone has come to a general consensus that The One With Markings and Pinstripes/Ink are the same one. It seems likely but its unconfirmed. Remember even Angel and Kalani were demanding that answer from Skittles?

I have this badass mental image of a flesh toned behemoth with all these strange Aboriginal designs imbedded on it's skin as being The One with Markings while Pinstripes/Ink is a tall dude with green eyes and bluish skin, and tattoos.

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Oh damn... really? I didn't even realize there had been any debate about it. All this time I've just assumed that this was all the same zombie dude with different names to go by. I mean, how many blue tattooed MFers can there really be walking about LA??!?

They've gotta all be the same guy. And I have a hunch the back -story on Bill Roberts (aka Ink aka Pintripes aka Pimp Daddy Zombie aka Hospital Psych-Ward Arrow-Catching Dude) is closely interlocked with the back story of how the Zombie Outbreak started in the first place... and it may be one of the last things revealed as the story finally comes to a close at Season 4.

Damn. If Chapter 27 part 1 was a Dubstep mix, the story with Kalani is where it drops and the ending is all "wub wub" mix..
Really enjoyed the writing in this episode. :yay:

Sorry, been watching the Boarderland 2 trailer too many times on my Roku. ;)

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

VidjaGamez summed up my thoughts rather well, with the exception being at the end there. I'm am not at all inclined to believe Kalani is still alive, however, Scratch may have collected his body just to be a bastard, thinking she can return it to Michael the way John's body was returned to her.

But yes, I agree with VidjaGamez and most of what Nik is theorizing; Kalani may have contacted the Mallers when arriving at Michael's Tower, then realized that he could possibly use his new allies to take out the Mallers completely. I am assuming he fired the shot that jump started the inevitable war.

My biggest questions center around Hannah and her current state.

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I've never pondered too much on Hannah, and I should. I'm just safely assuming that she was the girl killed when they were trying to make the switch. After realizing this he "made things right" and wrecked the helicopter in order to attempt saving everyone in the tower.

And I know! I know! Kalani still being alive is a reach, I really could care less after we learn everything that episode 27 has to offer. But man would that be interesting. But you're right, I highly doubt the Mallers have the medical personnel needed in order to stabilize and care for a man who has just wrecked a helicopter.

Total random little tidbit, but I have an ear for voices and I am pretty sure I heard Hope's voice as they were escaping the plane, do I think that Hope (and by association Samantha) was on the plane w/ them. NOPE, but it's a random tidbit.

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Originally Posted by awkwardalex

Total random little tidbit, but I have an ear for voices and I am pretty sure I heard Hope's voice as they were escaping the plane...

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The actress who plays Hannah sounds an awful lot like Hope. Maybe the same performer is doing double duty.

So totally random thought, Michael is typically a bit backwards when it comes to dealing with pegs. But the way he wanted to be left alone playing the guitar kind of gave me an idea, perhaps someone he actually lost is who taught him...like his father or something. Its a small detail, but it could lead to something.

also something of note. It sounds like the other tower gave kalani the same treatment that our tower gave to pippin.(gawd that dudes a scumbag!) could be a good explanation as to why skittles recognised him but not vice versa

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Originally Posted by cupcakezombie

My thought is that they knew that Kalani was in the Tower. They had contact with someone because Scratch mentioned that the other person they had in there hadn't been in contact for a while (When talking to Tardust at the end of last season). I am thinking that Kalani was on their side for a while but when they turned and they stopped hearing from him they sent Hannah to the golf course as a kind of 'f%#k you to Kalani. If you don't want to play our game we will just kill your girl. Remember they had no idea the extent to which Kalani had turned (if he was the rat, which I firmly believe he played some part in), or how much he had spilled to the Tower. So as far as they were concerned he was gone, and what a way to let him know.

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Kalani wasted NO time at all getting in contact with prisoners. He had been in the Arena with no contact w prisoners for 20+ days(prolly some type of shock as he would be lucid for awhile and then out like a light) He had been at our tower for what ONE day before they were attacked? He was prolly desperate to know that Hannah was alive since he supposedly failed at 1st tower. Kalani was all for the party that lead to War and definitely knew their supplies had been stolen..no where to be seen in the War chapters. I think he took the shot at Mallers when Duria was considering 'being reasonable' I am still making the call he was referred to as 'Poncho' by the prisoners. While on way to golf course he was prolly in touch with them too. Scratch was pretty confident Pegs was in tower and not at golf course...Kalani was prolly hoping trade could be made for Hannah since he knew they were not about to trade out Lizzy.

lol...I thought the exact same thing...but I dont think it is same person. KC doesnt seem like he would take short cuts. If you look at some of his behind the scenes vids he takes NO shortcuts even when he easily could.

The sunroof was a nod to you!!!!! @Adventureless_Hero

It's a good time to be a Kalani fan. Who knew he would be so pivotal?

Still relistening to some old chapters and when you know what we know now, it makes all the Kalani moments all the more intriguing. For instance, I noticed in 15-1 when he comes to the meeting with Burt, he is discussing options for a new location. He says, "...but I was thinking somewhere further to the East might be a bit better..."

He would suggest going East when he knows full well the Mallers are lurking about to the West.

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I'm also coming closer to the conclusion that Hannah is dead. She may have died as early as Kalani's departure from the Mallers, but more likely around the time of The War. I say this because Kalani is very adament about getting the hell out of there. He even mentions the flying option. I very much doubt it that he would be willing to leave everything behind if he knew his daughter were still alive.

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In 16-2 Kalani mentions to Angel that they can use Latch's body as a bargaining chip. After Angel ignores him and reveals the location of Latch's body, Kalani says, "C'mon! Are you ever going to listen to anything I have to say?! You think they wouldn't hold something like this over your head? You better believe they would!" The tone of his voice even suggested that he speaks from personal experience.