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They said that the mallers searched and took everything of use though. And if that's the case, then they would have searched the hummer and taken any supplies that was in it. As for how saul managed to get his pack and not victor. Saul was on the turret and vic was driving so saul was closer to the supplies he could have grabbed a pack much easier than vic could have from the drivers seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
Have you been in a humvee before? The best place to put an assault pack is the part of the truck where the radio rack usually goes. If that was installed, then leaning your assault pack up against the radio rack is your next best bet. If you're a gunner on a truck, you have no way of grabbing a pack in a hurry. You can't hang it up top, you'll lose it. It's much harder to get down and grab something from the turret than it is to grab something from the drivers seat. I don't remember if they said it was a hardshell or softshell humvee, but either way, you're not going to put your packs on the outside unless you absolutely have to. If they had them in the back somewhere other than the trunk on a hardshell, Victor would still be able to get to them quicker. There isn't a whole lot of room in the turret at all, especially with an M2 up top, so Victor could probably grab his assault pack faster from the back anyway. Short of their stuff being in the trunk, I don't see Victor being slower than Saul. I think he's just a dummy when it comes to surviving and has gotten pretty lucky. If it wasn't for Saul, Vicky would be following around Mr. Whiskers, asking "huh? what? why?" to a cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
they didn't take the m2 and ammo. even if the mallers knew enough to figure out it was broken (since it was obviously working well enough to shoot a behemoth) they must have mechanics or people with mechanical skills of some kind. if i was them, and i had vehicles (as i kind of assume they do) i would take it on the off chance it could be fixed and would then be a powerful weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I agree with the smell and the perimeter thing but the restriction from the 2nd and 3rd floor is a bit odd.
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Originally Posted by Leedo2502
I'm going to side with the folks saying Victor didn't have an opportunity to prepare. Not that it matters that much since Saul and he are in the shit now.
Victor was sent out on what was supposed to be a quick mission. Instead while out in the field objectives were added. You could say "he should have" but the fact is that he can't always carry a shit ton of supplies every fucking time he goes out. Sure Saul did, but look at what Saul's objectives were. He had every intention of going on a hunt for Lizzie. He had no idea how long it would take and so HE packed supplies. Saul knew the bird could get fixed and if they hadn't of found Lizzie by then that he was going to stay behind.
Anywho, it seems a stupid thing to debate seeing as how Saul is the reason all this shit went down. He is my favorite character but the little fucker is playing the blame game. That shit he was spewing at Victor should have been directed at himself.
Love'n the back and forth with Looney, Leedo and Reaper... Hoooah!
I'm still gonna go with the theory that the Mallers are picking up brass for reloading. It doesn't have to be a station. They simply have to save it until they get where they need to get.
Looney has missed a lot of the convo's about what the Mallers have been doing since Scratch saved them and how they covered so much territory..
Remember, they've raided every damn thing from LAX to the Arena. Multiple police stations, Burt's shop, the Guard Armory and Lord knows what else. Durai telling them to find a place that has the powder They're bound to have people that know how to reload. Having a few gunsmiths among the regulars or the slaves seems very plausible. Hell, they may even have a ton of books from the prison library that any mechanical minded person can read and do.
I'm pretty sure Datu could learn to reload with the right equipment and a manual.
keep in mind also though, it's LA. LA is very liberal, and liberals tend to lean towards anti-gun. yes i think the supplies they need are somewhere in LA but i don't know in what amounts.
Yeah, my pop taught himself to reload. Granted he now has a rifle with a ruined breech (there is an impression of the shell on the inside) but for the most part he does it well, I think. I mean if when I fire it and it goes BANG instead of BOOM! then that's a sign of success. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
If a small, shitty town like Laredo has the necessary good to reload, I have no doubt L.A. would.
New theory: the brass is being melted down and used to make zombie-proof armor! Yeah, now that's what their doing with it!
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Originally Posted by reaper239
California allows weapons. So what if it needs a "loaded" meter or you can't have more than 10 round mags! Shit still goes bang and people still drop. I don't remember the 2nd amendment saying you have the right to bear arms with a 50 round drum. LOL.
So, there will still be places there to get what they need to do reloads, which doesn't have anything to do with weapon types.
I have read a few articles where people have trouble with reloads. Finicky guns will have problems with them. Like Shirley probably wouldn't do well with them, while Burt's .357 would spit em out like crazy and ask for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Now, the brass armor thing is pushing it. LOL. You'd REALLY need a serious blacksmith, equipment aka forge and molds, and the skill set. What? You think they captured Tony Stark or something? ahhhahah
i don't remember it saying you don't have the right to bear arms with a 50 round drum. ;) i didn't say they didn't have guns, i said they have a lot of anti-gun politicians who are hell bent on making it so difficult to own a gun that most people won't want to. like DC, most law abiding citizens don't own guns in DC because it is so blasted hard to get one. btw (in my best sheldon cooper (big bang theory) voice), the criminals are the ones killing people, so i would wager a guess that their guns have neither a "loaded meter" nor are relegated to ten round mags. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
also, i'm listening to something right now that's making it feel like there is static at the base of my hair folicls (<-can't spell). very strange sounds. (no it's not something political as i know some of you were thinking :tinfoil:)
In regards to Victor and his short mission, here is a personal story from my first time in Iraq. I was in a 3 man sniper team in an Infantry company, stationed in one of the worst cities in the country at the time. We got called and told we need to support a brigade level mission in Mosul with a platoon, our sniper team, and our headquarters element. The mission would take 12 hours and it was just escorting engineer and fuel assets around the city to other companies that were fighting to take Mosul back from the insurgents. We had about 10 minutes to get ready (our gear was always ready to go, we just packed different things in our assault packs depending on the mission) and get in the trucks to get to Mosul. That 12 hour mission turned in to a 78 hour firefight. My team had enough food for 3 days per person that we carried in our packs, because we always left it there. Granted, we didn't have the time to eat, and went three days without sleep or food, but still we had the food. Being prepared doesn't take much more than saying "this pack stays with me, just like my weapon does".
As far as reloading goes, I'm not an expert but I do reload my pistol rounds. If they have books and equipment, the mallers could easily reload ammo. If they're just trying different loads to see what works, that's a lot of damaged guns. Along with that, you could easily seriously injure or kill someone by loading with the wrong powder in a rifle round. I'm actually really excited to find out why the brass was gathered up. It's an interesting twist after the huge tower battle.
Shocker: There is a behemoth zombie out there that collects brass because it's shiny and pretty. He puts the shells on a thread and wears them like necklaces. The sound of his approach is like that of a 1,000 rounds jingling.
In regards to Victor, we should then be upset with every single character in this story for not being prepared. I'm upset with myself for not having a pack at home next to my pistol.
Anyway, I'm focusing on something else. This Victor not being prepared is beginning to get like that Michael/Burt Alpha male conversation. I am wondering about those choppers at Ft. Irwin. Does anyone know what kind they are? Like are they transport or attack helicopters? They aren't those rock ass Apache choppers, are they?!
I don't remember ever seeing an Apache when I was in NTC. Usually Blackhawks and Chinooks, since we used those for infil/exfil during our rotation. I've seen some Russian birds there too, but that was pre-Iraq war and they were used for training. I know when we trained with Special Forces, they used Kiowa Warriors and Little Birds, but those were organic to those units and weren't stationed at Irwin. No telling what they were, but that's what I remember from my rotations there.
The only helicopters stationed at Fort Irwin at the time of the Zombie outbreak were UH-1 Hueys. There was a medevac unit, an OPFOR aviation unit equipped with Hueys modified to look like Soviet Hinds, and an OPs Group support flight. Since then the medevacs have been replaced with LUH-72 Lakotas and the other UH-1 may have been replaced as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Whenever a training unit comes through the NTC they bring their own helicopters. The biggest rotation I ever saw featured a combat aviation brigade that brought about 50 helicopters, over 30 of which were Apache gunships. So there could be gunships on the base now, but there is no guarantee.
As they say in Skyrim, Whoa whoa whoa, watche the magic...Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
Replace magic with gun politics.
it is not something we can solve here. it is a very charged issue and it usually just results in people getting hot under the collar.
What the gun laws are or were isn't really important for our heroes. Burt had an RPG a .50 cal, claymore mines and at least one silenced pistol. Maybe you think Burt is a little shady and of questionable moral character. Maybe Burt is your hero as he looks at The System and says ...from my cold dead fingers.
If we are going to go that way, we might as really rip the sabs off...
Maybe Bricks is Jewish. If he is, should he get Saturdays off? Does a pregnant zombie have the right to choose? If a zombie takes no action, is it ok to shoot them because of self defense or is that murder? Do zombies have the right to vote? How long does one have to be a zombie to get to vote in the zombie elections?
Sure, one can argue any and more of these, but it should probably get its own thread.
Do not worry, I am not pissed at anyone and even if I was, I am too old, fat and lazzy to carry a grudge.
about the helo's an Apache wouldn't really be of much help unless the survivors had found another hive or if there was a large group of behemoths In one spot taking them on missions otherwise would be a waste of fuel. A Huey on the other hand would be helpful for quick in and out missions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Too...much...ammo...talk...eyes...glazing...over.. ...
Everytime I start talking about ammo or scouting or being a sniper or.....snore......I feel the same way. No matter how any of us see it, KC is going to make an entertaining and amazing story out of what he sees is reality. As much as I love this forum and finally got back to it, that is reality. Shit I'm drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eviebae
I always say that there are two types of story tellers, the ones that cheerfully bend the truth to tell a good story, and the ones that make the truth entertaining. KC strikes me as more of the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by looney
Hoody person could be somebody associated with law enforcement. The tactical holster , movements, and the fact he/she was using a baton. That's just my opinion.
I think the hooded man/women is not a mauler as i can see this being to convient for saul to be reunited with lizzy. the hooded person could be a member of the other tower, a run away slave from the maulers, a deserter from the maulers, a member of a new group of survivers or maybe even skittles :D
Good points about the equipment being a LE officer. I'm not sure I agree with you, but I like the way you think. As an aside, I hate thigh holsters for pistols. I'm not a fan of having anything on my legs in any kind of a tactical environment. I don't like the theory that it's Skittles. He seems like he places the avoidance game much better than our hooded figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by timberwoof
I love this forum, being a total ignorant on firearms I would have never figured all this stuff about reloading and brass. My best guess at my first listening of the episode was "What, they are trying to put a band together?" You know, to play the official Mallers anthem on the way to battles.
i wasn't bringing it up to start a flame war, i was bringing it up because gun control laws effect the availability of guns and ammo. for instance, there is one gun shop in DC, for all of DC because of strict legislation, right or wrong is irrelevant, it's a fact. yet there are places where gun shops are everywhere, and by extension, so is ammo. i know of a handful of gun shops in and around baltimore as opposed to, say, atlanta because of the difference in georgia and maryland gun laws. now, one more important aspect is that in some states, gun laws vary by county, and even city. in ny there are certain gun laws but in nyc there are much stricter gun laws. there is a county in cali that has switched it's CCW permitting legislation from may issue to shall issue. now i'm not familiar with LA gun laws, but it is a very socially liberal city, and if it's anything like other liberal cities i know, they will have strict gun control laws. now i can argue the merits of gun control al day but i agree that this is neither the time nor the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
They have their own version of John Phillip Souza to write some incredible marches. Cause everyone knows you can't go in to battle without a horn section.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
It's Skittles dammit! Skittles! Skittles! Skittles! *stomps feet*
I listened again on the way in to work. Did I hear two gunshots from a distance? Maybe I heard wrong, or maybe the board is all abuzz and I missed it. If the shots were from Saul's perspective, they are a ways away. Not at him. They could be fired near Saul from Victor's perspective, but I do not think at Saul. No way I would sweep the leg and then shoot if I had the initiative.
He/She came from under the car, so the angle to shoot was crappy. Target down.. head shot vs shoot em in the ankle. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Maybe, but my guess is that the person went under the car to setup the sweep. I'd post up somewhere else. I had a misfire underneath a car. Let's just say maneuverability options are pretty limited. It did not end well. But, I do not fit under cars very well. Someone smaller might not those issues. lol
Lord of the Flies sheds light on this whole monkey zombie mess...all these groups are engaged in petty little cat fights with each other and soon some benevolent and highly sophisticated beings (like in Childhood's End or like in Lord of the Flies :)) are going to descend and either save everyone or knock some sense in everyone.
"Why the hell are you fighting each other, we have to save HUMANITY?! Start working together damn it!"
And then when all the survivors realize that all their fighting and squabbling was childish and a huge waste of time and resources they will hold hands, sing, and tackle the real problem...the bloody ZOMBIES.
I think Victor likes the book because he recognizes the fruitlessness of all this fighting between groups.
Or maybe he just thinks that their best chance for survival is to find a little island and go all Swiss Family with monkey butlers and seashell telephones.
My theory has always been that gangs and mobsters would survive Z-day better than the average citizen since they do not follow the local laws. or maybe they would be too busy with 'kill shot' tactics and would waste thier own :) Down south rumor has it the KKK & Nazi's have huge weopons caches near major cities... possibilities are endless....Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
Crime Bosses might survive, but the lower structure of the Mafia/organized crime would most likely fail because they would be more likely to give in to looting and grabbing up worldly possessions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blues_127
Sorry if its been asked and answered already, I have absolutely no time to read all previous posts...
I'm relistening to the story and have made it to Chapter 26 again and remembered that I always wanted to ask about a peice of dialogue and what was said exactly. Corporal Puck is talking to the gang about showers and changing into PT's, then at time 5:43 says something which always sounds to me like... "I've worked the ketchup on and she made me get behind" wft????
Can someone please let me know what he is really saying here? A rep for an answer, thanks.
"I've worked the ketchup on since she made me get behind"
I think he means he gave all the info he could since they were holding him back from where he was headed.
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Originally Posted by Robzombie
He says, "I have work to catch up on since you've made me get behind."
haha, that makes much more sense, thank you.
That does make more sense ha, I had to of listened to it a few times and I swear I heard ketchup lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Ha Ha, reading your question was really really funny. I wasn't sure if you were serious, at first but I remember asking a simmilar question about something I misheard. The funniest one so far was when Vee posted, "When Micheal asked where Tonya was bitten Cpl Puck says 'In the Forum.' This is a dangerous place." When you listen to it it really does sound like Puck says she was bitten in the 'forum.'