Arsenal AK47 with Trijicon Tri power mounted on a ultimak gas tube rail as a primary good heavy hitting round. For a secondary either a SIG P220, Glock 19 or SIG P226. For when all else fails a khukri or a Tomahawk
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Arsenal AK47 with Trijicon Tri power mounted on a ultimak gas tube rail as a primary good heavy hitting round. For a secondary either a SIG P220, Glock 19 or SIG P226. For when all else fails a khukri or a Tomahawk
I'll take whatever is lying on the floor and not jammed with zombie blood/body parts.
But if there's a choice in the matter, I'd carry an M60. Heck, ultimately, I'd bottle myself up in a Bradley and just move a bit then climb into the turret and shoot some 25mm around and go back to driving.
I like what I have and therefore know. I have a Parker-Hale 30-06 rifle for long range attack. My SKS and a Savage .22 for mid range (Head-shots with a .22 are nothing to laugh about). I guess I could grab my long shotgun. I also have my CZ-85 9mm as a back up.
As for melee, I have the cold steel kukri, but I prefer my Guyana Cutlass Machete. Good length but not so long as to be cumbersome indoors. Plus I have a variety of knives to cause mayhem in my final stand or to stealthily pull a Saul and stab one in the eye
Yeah, With the Hague Convention, it pretty much made using hollow points a war crime to because of the fact that they expand or fragment within the human body.
Since the 5.45 round is rare I'd go with the 7.62. And that said any problem you see with the 5.56 round or the M-16 family of weapons would be the same with that smaller 5.45 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by bvglee
I've never had a problem with the M-16 and later the M-4. I've carried them around the world in the Army and never had an issue or jam.
The best argument I've heard in the AK/M-16 debate:
The AK 47 is for a warrior, someone that will fight but has little training. The M-16 is for the disciplined soldier that controls his rate of fire and maintains his equipment.
See i'm more of a medieval sort of person so I would definateley have to go with a long sword. Or the swords that rayne has in blood rayne.
And Of course a bow and a ton of arrows. And preferably half or more of those arrows with explosive tips
Primary: suppressed MP5 (for quick, quiet, accurate head-shots) Attachment 1095
Backup: silenced Beretta M9 (for stealth and stopping power) Attachment 1096
Melee: Crowbar (for when you just feel the need to reach out and crush someone) Attachment 1097
Imma keep it simple:
1- Trusty ol'Glock 22 (.40)- that fucker just refuses to jam and maintenance is not a constant need
2- KBAR combat knife (with sheath)
3- Ak-47 (Yugo) with a holographic sight (day/night adjustable) with a foldable stock, TAC-Light and forward hand grip
and 4- Mossberg 500 Tactical (retractable stock with shell holder on side)- its fairly light weight and I love it (I put a forward hand grip on mine- tho the former was just as good)
Attachment 1122Attachment 1121I'm gonna advertise this once more since we have a ton of new troops. Go to Amazon's site and search for "listmania" then do your own Zombie Survival List from stuff you can buy from Amazon. You can also write a short intro and do item descriptions.
http://www.amazon.com/lm/RSDETWZR6U8...dp_lm_all_itms
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Now, this Parang is pretty cool, but I'd probably stick with my 18 inch Machete since it has better stand off distance. Add that foot and a half to whatever your reach is and you have a pretty wide berth.
The Saiga auto loading shotty is a must because you can add drums and magazines.
Now, my namesake says what my next choice would be but the FuBar III is a damn good option. It looks like a better choice when you find yourself stuck in a room and you need a quick exit. Drywall wouldn't stand a chance
I WANT ONE.:yay:
It's an Explorer Whistle, Compass, Magnifying Glass! There's even a thermometer on the other side of it. They used to carry these things by the checkout registers at Eddie Bauer stores.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaria
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I remember those...:cool:
9 Pounds isn't much to me, but I can see what you're talking about. I think I'd carry it during foraging runs when you're in such places like apartment buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by bvglee
i have an M1 carbine (love it) a mossberg maverick 88 (also love it) and a .45 1911 (my baby) that's all i need
ah!! the Machete :D
I wish I could afford a Beneli :(
POOOOOW!
I just ask this, because I have no idea about guns (other than from video games), and I'd like to know how accurately they guns are portrayed......
In the show, do they sound the way they do in real life?
Do they really jam as often as real life? (because it seems ridiculously frequent)
Is it actually as easy to aim as the show makes out? (The survivors seem to be able to blow a hole through a zombie's head really easily)
And finally, is Burt's accuracy actually realistic for an expert marksman? (I mean seriously, he shot a shotgun out of Bill's hands, with a DE)
I understand that most of these are used to build tension, or progress the plot. I would just like t know how I would fare against a zombie horde if I managed to get hold of a gun.
it looks like... jam. rspberry, only one man would dare to give me the raspberry... LONESTAR!!! (BANG)
so in regards to jams, the only jams i remember hearing were on angels gun. here's the thing, the AR15 platform (M16, M4, Mk18, etc) has a horrendous reputation for jamming. this rep was forged in the vietnam war where the jungles dirtied the guns faster than anything else in the world. a dirty M16 will jam all the time, so cleanliness is imperative. they have gotten a lot better in recent years (the last 10 or so) and different recoil designs have different failure rates, but overall, angels M16 (most likely an A3 or A4) is portrayed fairly accurately. the later jams after it's thorough cleaning are indicative of some kind of catostrophic failure more related to a hardware fault than to poor cleaning.
regarding the sound, yes they do sound very similar in real life. in real life the 5.56 (M16 round) is a supersonic round, so if you are standing in front of it when fired you'll catch the sonic boom. it makes you feel funky. but that is really hard (if not impossible) to capture in audio.
soldiers are highly trained for rapid target acquisition and, depending on their job, they drill it alot (exceptions are jobs where they don't get exposed to combat a lot. in the army there are many such jobs, but i am not entirely sure how the nasty guard is structured (or was it reserves?) and i don't know how they run logistics) so the soldiers would be more than capable of acquireing targets rapidly under pressure. they drill that. burt was a marine so he would have had very similar training. on top of that, burt was a competition shooter, but i'll cover that later.
later: so burt was a competition shooter. if i understand his record right, burt was a champion pistol shooter, who could also do trick shooting. for him shooting targets rapidly and with great accuracy is second nature. regarding the shooting of the shotgun; something to remember is that the Desert Eagle fires a .50 calibur round. that's half an inch.that is a bullet that caries a lot of weight and a lot of force, so if it hit the shotgun, there'd be no way to keep hold of it. and people have pulled off harder shots.
there you go, i hope this helps. the show portrays things pretty realisticly (minus the zombies) it may take a bit of liberty in some area but it is the attention to detail and accuracy that keeps me listening (aside from, you know, the really good story)
The survivors had rildes to spare so its possible Lizzy got her hands on one.
And now for a gun Lesson!
there are a couple types of jams, but i will cover two of the major and well known ones.
One where the empty shell fails to eject from the chamber (common and easily fixed)
The second is where two bullets try to enter the chamber at once, creating a "double feed" these are hard to fix but not impossible.
My two bits here Devilish Pizza.
There is no substitute to actually shooting. Shooting ranges will rent out guns and should be able to give you safety guidelines(even better would be to take a defensive shooting class). Safety is key when handling firearms. The jams I have not been part of my experiences, so I can't speak to that. I can however speak to the enjoyment that can come from shooting safely.
As to your ability to survive a Zombie vs gun fight will come to quite the variables even if you are fully trained. Avoidance and diligence is always the better option(in my opinion).
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People have covered most of your points, but I will say something about the survivors' accuracy. Lizzie is a naturally good shot, some people just are. They pick up a rifle, get the training and are bullseyeing targets. I have heard of more women where this happens. As for the rest, they aren't always shooting the head. KC said during the live Season 2 finale that the zombies will die from torso damage as well. Like when Burt shot the Jumper in the chest. The survivors aren't always getting headshots, they are getting body hits too, larger target to hit.
Also for Burt's amazing accuracy, there are some people who can do such feats. Annie Oakley is one the most famous trick shot artists, Carlos Hathlock was an amazing sniper in Vietnam, Rob Furlong (shout out to fellow Canadian) can shoot amazing long distance with both left and right hands. Also go on Youtube and watch FPSRussia, your eyes will thank you. That guy once shot a balloon behind him with a pistol while only lining the shot up with a hand mirror.
pikepaw makes some very good points, center mass is always easier to hit, and tree to the chest should drop some mofo running around with a knife, but he always does some super leap that cover ten feet in less time than it takes an M4 to put out three rounds and kills me, despite the fact that i unloaded half a clip into his chest... whoa, sorry, videogame flashbacks.
in seriousness, he is right. my buddy barely has to aim and he can effectively put rounds on target. he is also one of the best point shooters i know, meanwhile, if i don't take the time to perfectly line up the shot and control my trigger squeeze, i'm just as likely to hit something behind me as i am to hit my tagret. i'm a really good shot, but he's a natural. regarding FPSRussia, there is not much better entertainment on youtube (annie's original shot was harder ;) )
A lot of good points. Most of what I have heard has been good. The history channel did a nice show called extreme marksman. Some nice shooting.
But, when they were at the fuel depot my stomach turned. Burt is good, but him just thinking about drawing a pistol, spin ~120 to 180 degrees, acquire the head of an elevated target for a snap shot over iron sights at 100 meters in the twilight? WTF?
Take a few of the difficulties and then I will say OK. Put them all together and even Carlos Hathlock would whistle and say that would be one hell of a shot just considering it. Or heaven, I think divine intervention is your best bet.
but don't we attribute some superhero qualities to those that we have grown to admire in this drama? there has been more than one super human feat performed in this podcast over the last few seasons.Quote:
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Reaper was correct with his reply about the M16's jamming (malfunction). I can say that I probably had 1 malfunction each time I qualified on that beast. When we started getting the M16A1's, it happend less. One thing I will add is that most malfuctions can be charged to the magazine not seating correctly or a bad round.
Burt's ability with a weapon is not unusual, it's just unique. I've seen shows where guys are shooting holes in dimes that are thrown in the air. Mythbusters actually did a show with a guy to see if he could actually shoot a rope in half (simulated saving a guy from hanging). It didn't pan out, but the rope was hit each time he shot at it. I'll also add that my ex wife was a better shot with the M16 than I was (I got even with her when we qualified on the M9..hehehha). I'm qualifying that with the understanding that some people just shoot better and other people are f'n wizards with a firearm.
Howdy all, new here, and I didn't see another thread like this, so I thought I'd kick one off
Here's just some things I would bring to the table:
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What do yall have or want to have by the time it happens?
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whatever i find at costco.
I'll use one of these, and I know where to find one http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Abra...ms-USMC-01.jpg
Attachment 1452 I'm sure I've got a nuke or two lying around.
Id say walmart is better, at least they have gunsQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneTwo
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In any apocalypse, this should be your best friend.
I'd bring a smile that been voted "Most likely to light up any room or situation"
Don't go starting fires with that smile of yours...Quote:
Originally Posted by Luna Guardian
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A narco tank or 3, MG's w/ gunners of course mounted on them, and some anti-personnel explosives but not to kill the Tower residents just to push them towards the windows and walls for the MG'ers to mow them down and....oh wait you mean bring to the Tower as in living with the Tower residents don't you?
If you haven't been able to tell yet I'm doing this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6bk5S2_Zc
Another thing to add when a zombie is between 4 feet to right on top of u i would be splattering brains all day everyday
I hope I get this picture drop to work correctly. I pulled together some pictures of the ammo used. The little one is for the rifle that Victor and his partner have when they get the jump on Michael when he was taking a wizz on the way to the colony. The middle one is the standard M16 round. Those are the ones Angel and Michael carry from the base. The B I G one is the .50 cal Saul used in the season 3 opening to knock one of the big ones on his assay as he and Victor escape.
Nice illustration! It begs for a companion piece showing the comparative sizes of pistol rounds. And in any other zombie genre piece you should do one for shotgun shells too, but not We're Alive, since shotguns are amazingly rare here.
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Burt has several other handguns besides Shirly. When ANgel and Saul find him in the Bathroom, he has a deathgrip on a pistol. Later, he asks if Saul got the Silver One from the Room Vault. Saul says the Desert Eagle, Hell ya... So that is atleast 2 and possibly more
At the standoff with Latch and Scrath with the tanker, Scratch says and what's to stop me from taking your bright shinny pistol? We hear Burt prepare the gun to fire and he says oh, about five .50 cal hollowpoint rounds
At the end of Season 1
Riley offers Burt some Ammo, he says something like, Ah, 9mm, you aint going to stop much with that. Most of the people are running around with 9mm. The 9mm is a nice comprimise between stopping power, weight and number of bullets carried. Burt is a serious handgun dude so he can handle the weight of the .50 and will not miss as often so does not require the extra rounds. It is a big gun, trust me. So big and heavy that it will not feel comfortable at all in hands of a smaller person, not to mention the damn recoil.
Warning Vulgarity and mild violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRgYtp3HfvY
The 9mm is a pretty common and for simplicity just think that if it is not Burt, it is a 9mm.
The one exception perplexes me, but I have included it for reference and to draw attention to it. In the survey of the tower, I am pretty sure Riley says she found a colt .45. I have not heard it mentioned since. Any time afterwards Riley talks about her Berreta. Why am I nitpicking? Well the colt .45 is available as a revolver (classic cowboy 6 shooter) But, most working cowboys used a what is called as slang "cowboy loadout" Only five rounds not six
When the shots are fired from the window at the end of season 1 to start the war, I am pretty sure I heard 5 rounds of spray and pray.
If someone is going to fire off rounds just about as quickly as can be done, they typically empty the clip. Why would 3rd floor shooter fire five? YEs, Burt's ammo was stolen. But, their was not much gun play from the time our heroes leave for the water plant and the time stuff is stolen by people in the tower. When everybody gets back they are pretty much all out of ammo unless they are not telling the truth. In addition, I do not think the residents of the tower would be walking around the tower with half a mag or less. I would expect it to be full.
People recently who recently fired and need a reload...
Angel, Burt and Michael are in the CB room (Pretty sure)
Riley's location is undetermined as is Datu's.
Saul is drunk and probably with Lizzy
Kalani's location is not known. But, these events occur after Kalani was on the dance floor with Kelly where she said, Hey, Newbee put your hands here...
So at the end of season 1...
Partially loaded Magazine
Disciplin to "only" fire 5 rounds
Six-shooter with a cowboy load out.
I miss heard and should go directly to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200