Chapter 40-1 Monsters

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

With regards to 2): This sounds a bit forced to me. If we presume Bill to be the mastermind behind z-day, why should he hide things in his office? Maybe the whole police story is based on staged evidence... I do not know.

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Oh no, I wasn't suggesting that he was the mastermind behind Z-day. Just that someone was taking chemicals from office and smuggling them into his jail cell. That would be the crime that was being investigated prior to Z-day.

See, Kelly said that he was tattooed and that the authorities were investigating how the stuff was smuggled into the jail. She could have been referring to the ink and the tattoo equipment, but the investigation afterwards seems a bit over-kill for a jail house tattooing.

So basically, either the police tape was on the door for a year or the police had a reason to declare his office a crime scene just prior to Z-day, and the tape was placed there before the solid biological waste material makes contact with the rotational air circulation device (As LiamKerrington would say.)

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

the solid biological waste material makes contact with the rotational air circulation device (As LiamKerrington would say.)

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Or,

TEOTWAWKI

The end of the world as we know it :)

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

Or,

TEOTWAWKI

The end of the world as we know it :)

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Ah yes! The Aztec Apocalypse. :D

things are starting to pick up. at the beginning of the 4th season it seemed kind of slow, and kind of soapy. however like in KC's fashion things are starting to heat up. the people that I have TURNED at work where saying the same thing. the whole thing about ground zero being clear of bodies and the haze is gone. then the one biter showing up, and #7 attacking and ripping into it. I am wondering if the ones that were dead at ground zero had gotten up after the haze had gone away. Since they are a much earlier version of zombies that the little one #7 saw it as food. and not as kin. like dogs and wolves.
the whole thing about INK being attacked outside the court house make me wonder how did he become a leader of the zombies. Unless INK had planned it somehow. which makes me think that there something more going on than just randomness of the attack. I think might be a 1/2or 3/4 zombie. with all the chemicals that were injected into him there might be a leave of protection going on. the same type of protection as with Tanya and Saul. however he might be closer at the level of turning full blown instead.

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Originally Posted by werewolf

things are starting to pick up. at the beginning of the 4th season it seemed kind of slow, and kind of soapy. however like in KC's fashion things are starting to heat up. the people that I have TURNED at work where saying the same thing. the whole thing about ground zero being clear of bodies and the haze is gone. then the one biter showing up, and #7 attacking and ripping into it. I am wondering if the ones that were dead at ground zero had gotten up after the haze had gone away. Since they are a much earlier version of zombies that the little one #7 saw it as food. and not as kin. like dogs and wolves.
the whole thing about INK being attacked outside the court house make me wonder how did he become a leader of the zombies. Unless INK had planned it somehow. which makes me think that there something more going on than just randomness of the attack. I think might be a 1/2or 3/4 zombie. with all the chemicals that were injected into him there might be a leave of protection going on. the same type of protection as with Tanya and Saul. however he might be closer at the level of turning full blown instead.

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Yeah, the 1/2 zombie thing can be quite possible. To (mis-)quote The Beatles' "Yesterday":

Suddenly
I'm not half the zombie I used to be
There's a shadow hanging over me
Oh, season 4 came suddenly

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Originally Posted by werewolf

I am wondering if the ones that were dead at ground zero had gotten up after the haze had gone away. Since they are a much earlier version of zombies that the little one #7 saw it as food. and not as kin. like dogs and wolves.

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Interesting idea. And especially horrific would it be if those things started to run around after the haze vanished. Would they be just zombs, especially sustaining zombs, food for other zombs ... ? Something tells me we won't learn about "their" fate ...

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Originally Posted by werewolf

the whole thing about INK being attacked outside the court house make me wonder how did he become a leader of the zombies. Unless INK had planned it somehow. which makes me think that there something more going on than just randomness of the attack. I think might be a 1/2or 3/4 zombie. with all the chemicals that were injected into him there might be a leave of protection going on. the same type of protection as with Tanya and Saul. however he might be closer at the level of turning full blown instead.

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I could imagine something like this:
William I Roberts was in the van. Then the car and he got attacked. He was wounded by a zeeh; but since he was kind of "canned in" they left him alone, because they had plenty of other and better opportunity to get food - all the lawyers, police men, court people, other convicts etc. ... So there Ink was, in his van, badly wounded. And since he was not killed, he turned into a Smart One - probably the first one to show up. And he became powerful - like what we know from regulars as well as Little Ones and all the other special zombs. He could rip the van apart like nothing (do you remember the first scene Michael described in #1-1 - with the group of zeehs ripping apart a car in order to get to the honking driver and to devour him?). So Ink was able to get free. He was not targeted by other zeehs anymore. And he did, what all them zeehs did. But in contrary to those he kept his mind. So he "attacked" other zeehs in order to play the "alpha-card" and to make other zeehs follow him as minions; and a pack of zeehs was created. And the bigger the group became, the more Ink looked for suitable locations to create his small army of zeehs - that's when the arena was established as the pit. And since he remained some of his intelligence and smartness, he also (re)activated his scientific skills. With the hospital around he had the perfect location to experiment on special zeehs. And this he did. The end of the story up until now you already know ...

Something along this line is what I think is "the", or at least "a likely" part of the Ink-backstory ...

Best wishes!
Liam

I still go back to Saul in Chapter 2. Five million people in LA, three days and everyone is gone. It is as if turning is a rare event, then special ones seem to be an extra special intervention by Ink or someone like him.

Nothing new here, just begging the question where did everyone go?

Seems like most people died at ground zero. Some people get eaten and are dead dead dead. They do not come back. Saul and Tanya got exposed to someone very recently turned and turn super slowmo or possibly stop the disease from progressing or do not change much from what they originally are/were.

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Man, keep on breathing, you will need the air to deliver the following monologue before killing TOWTM:

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Or this one, my particular favorite: (NSFW Language, BTW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66nSZzBNkTU

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Originally Posted by Unit9014

No there have been other times when zombie have run or hidden. Near the end of the war when Burt, Riley and Angel are making their last stand on the fire truck the zombies eventually give up and run away.

There is another time when it is mentioned that a zombie runs and hides behind a desk. I believe it is when the crew is coming back from saving Datu at the Arena and Ink has gotten in so the team has to clear the building. They find one in the lobby that hides (could have been a different part of the story, not 100% sure, but I know one hides)

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That was waaaay back at the beginning of the story in chapter two or three. When Lizzy arrives, they lose control of the lobby. When they go in to retake it, one ducks behind a counter. Michael calls this out and Angel exclaims "It's WHAT?"

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Originally Posted by tonyhind86

There was an instance in the previous chapter when they found the note at Raydon Labs (the shopping list) which Michael described as having "strange symbols" written on it. I wonder if any of these match the tattoos that Ink has on his face and hands.

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Things like this make me wish that We're Alive had an ARG element to it... clues about the show hidden out here in the real world. I would love to get my grubby little paws on a physical hard copy of the "shopping list" and some of the other elements mentioned in the show.

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

Getting all :tinfoil: What was the councillor's name? Nick Rivers? What does the pregnant PhD psychiatrist want to name her baby boy? Nicholas? Do I have that right?

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What is the likelihood that Nick Rivers was Lizzy's doctoral advisor? Or, did Lizzy do an internship at/with Correctional Counseling?

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Maybe, or....

x = y.
Then x^2 = xy.
Subtract the same thing from both sides:
x^2 - y^2 = xy - y^2.
Dividing by (x-y), obtain
x + y = y.
Since x = y, we see that
2 y = y.
Thus 2 = 1, since we started with y nonzero.
Subtracting 1 from both sides,
1 = 0.

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Originally Posted by werewolf

the whole thing about INK being attacked outside the court house make me wonder how did he become a leader of the zombies. Unless INK had planned it somehow. which makes me think that there something more going on than just randomness of the attack. I think might be a 1/2or 3/4 zombie. with all the chemicals that were injected into him there might be a leave of protection going on. the same type of protection as with Tanya and Saul. however he might be closer at the level of turning full blown instead.

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Leader of the zombies indeed. Just how is he able to control them? Even the smart ones are able to do it. When Burt first describes the smart ones he says that they were giving orders to the other ones. Skittles makes the same claim, and Micheal describes Randy as controlling the others. Then there is Ink, he is seen calling them into and away from an attack, and even gave them spoken commands when he attacked CJ's tower; possibly even telling them to 'go' after the arena attack. At the arena, there is even a Z calling others to either eat or return to the arena.

Just what is it that compels the Zombies to stop zombie-ing and follow instructions? Is that all the survivors have to do, tell the zombies to stop or go here or there? I think a couple of characters at the arena barked orders to the zombies to let them go with no effect, so they must not be listening to people. But what is it that sparks a bit of reasoning o follow orders?

In addition to Olympian Zombies Ink seems to have a hive or minion of zombies. They were discovered to have a nest which by all accounts, seems like something that the zombies in other places do not do. Are these all the smart zombies?

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

I still go back to Saul in Chapter 2. Five million people in LA, three days and everyone is gone. It is as if turning is a rare event, then special ones seem to be an extra special intervention by Ink or someone like him.

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My point since my first entries in this forum ... My guess: Most died. In order to be turned into a zeeh someone needs to survive the initial attack. But especially in the beginning them zeehs killed almost anyone on sight; so only few and probably random people "survived" and became zombs instead ... And the ones who were killed, at first they were scattered everywhere, but later on they were eaten or collected for food-purposes - just remember the food-stashes in the arena ...

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And another theorie:

Ink was in his van. The van was attacked by them zeehs, but them zeehs stopped ripping the car apart - just moments before they were able to get hold of Ink. Reason: They were attacked by police force or court-personell or at least realized: other easy prey!
Ink, a maniac as he was back then, might have understood this as kind of a sign sent by his god(dess) or whatever ... So he managed to free himself from the already badly damaged van. Then he understood: he was too weak, and he a) started to drink blood from downed zeehs and-slash-or b) (!) he inflicted wounds to, let's say, his arm (for example scratches) and drowned his wounded skin in the tissue and blood of one downed zeeh. And then biological body release products collide with rotating wind-moving machines: Ink turned himself into a zomb in order to become a lot more powerful - and his plan worked out very well ...

And, actually, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it was something like that about Ink ...

Best wishes!
Liam
He was able to break free from