Chapter 35-1

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Originally Posted by yarri

Jenna has a lovely flexible voice.

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And she proved it several times.

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Originally Posted by Condor

From what I understand, getting shot while wearing a vest still hurts like hell. Definitely enough to knock the wind out of you, so he wouldn't be playing possum, he'd be genuinely dazed for a moment.

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Unless she shot him directly in the ballsack.

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Originally Posted by Dyhoerium

As much as it pains me to support a Scratch supporter, I agree with everything in this post. Bonus points for being one of the first people to spell 'lose' correctly when typing Scratch's final line. :)

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Thank you for the hint. I am sorry for butchering the English language - again. I corrected my misspellings. To lose ist not the same as to loose as well as not Toulouse ...

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Unless she shot him directly in the ballsack.

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can you confirm the location of said "ballsack"? is it with him? or possibly left behind at dunbar tower? we only need facts here...unless we know location, its only speculation.




also
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Originally Posted by ferroaj

I'm probably gonna take some flack for this one, but I disagree with everyone on here. CJ is not dead. Wounded yes, but dead? no. Saul gets shot, CJ's pissed. Then when she hears him stir, she loses focus and Scratch takes the opportunity to attack. Scratch says "I got you", CJ gets stabbed (she no doubt has a vest on though). CJ screams. Scratch loses focus as Saul gets up and CJ says "you lose, I win."


I've listened to the line about 40 times now, and I can't hear scratch's voice. It's definitely CJ. Scratch is fucked.

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I here where you are coming from. And actually you raised some doubts in me, 'cause the last female voice we hear could be actually both, if not Lizzy has joined the party. But the latter would be too confusing, right?
And yet, the doubts are weak, and...

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Nope. You're 100% wrong. You can clearly hear Saul mumble "damnit" which serves to distract CJ. Scratch makes her move. You hear CJ drop something as she's taken down by Scratch who says "But I've got you" and the sound of a knife slipping into flesh. As CJ screams we hear Burt. Scratch follows that with "You lose. I win."

It is absolutely Jenna's voice heard last.

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I agree with Osiris here, because:
a) I don't think CJ could switch her tone and demeanor as hard and as versatile as Scratch can and has already proven to do it,
b) if you pay attention to the 'tone' of the female voices, CJ has something 'light' on her voice, which is not there on the final lines in #34-3 (just compare: 17:11 or 17:25 with 17:38), and
c) the details in the sound-fx.

All the best!
Liam

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

can you confirm the location of said "ballsack"? is it with him? or possibly left behind at dunbar tower? we only need facts here...unless we know location, its only speculation.



also
:hsugh:

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I can only assume the location would be obvious to you or anyone else who has ever looked up into the night sky and wondered if they were really all alone. There is no reason for us to assume that the ballsack would be located anywhere else, especially not with the knowledge that no known agency is behind any of this. We're flying blind here right now and we're doing out best, but you're stonewalling our attempts to get to the truth at every turn. People videotape police beatings on darkened streets. They manage to spot Elvis in three cities across America every day, but no one saw a pretty woman forced to shoot a man in the ballsack in a darkened hallway in the middle of nowhere during a riot. Isn't that just a little too convenient?

Me from the WND thread:

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Originally Posted by fridginators

We've never really known all so much about CJ as a character. I mean obviously we know bits and pieces here and there, and we understand the way in which she plans/fights (amazingly/badly, as seen in this episode). I think that the latter could really indicate that she is in fact going to die - remember that this isn't just Nik's theory, it's actually KC's. CJ was intentionally written as an amazingly smart woman who is rash when it comes to acting. That trait leading to her death would make complete sense in terms of character and plot development.

That said, I don't want her to die, and I'm not sure if she will. But I am reminded by KC's words "maybe her and Michael will never meet". Fuck man. I don't want her gone. But honestly, there's not too much that we still need from her per se - we have all her information from narrating alongside Kalani in Chapter 27, we have Dunbar towers where a bunch of shit is still stored, and we have all her equipment. I really saw it being built up from Saul's warning...

Man fuck that. I don't even know what to think, but it'd be against my better judgement to pretend that she's not going to die. I think she's toast. But I'm wondering what happens to Scratch. Maybe she reveals that she killed Angel, which helps Saul avenge his death. But then what about Riley's tensions with Angel and Lizzy? That leaves Riley all up in there air.

=(

Edit: I am overreacting. She honestly might just have been wounded, and we should remember that CJ is also an insanely crafty woman. Her vs Scratch is probably the best matchup I can really think of, both two very determined women. It could honestly go either way, we'll just honestly have to see. I am hoping that she will continue to fight, even if injured, but it depends on the severity of the wound.

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Still mixed. It would make sense for CJ to die... but honestly I KC has never killed anybody as a cliff-hanger. Remember Burt & Angel at the hospital? Or Michael from the Water Works? I'm not sure if KC would have her killed in such a manner. Then again there's always a first time for everything.

The overall theme of season 3 has been "actions have consequences", along with perhaps "you can't run from your past". CJ has been playing it close to the edge for a long time now. Just observations.

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Originally Posted by fridginators

Me from the WND thread: Still mixed. It would make sense for CJ to die... but honestly I KC has never killed anybody as a cliff-hanger. Remember Burt & Angel at the hospital? Or Michael from the Water Works? I'm not sure if KC would have her killed in such a manner. Then again there's always a first time for everything.

The overall theme of season 3 has been "actions have consequences", along with perhaps "you can't run from your past". CJ has been playing it close to the edge for a long time now. Just observations.

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*cough*Kalani*cough*

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Originally Posted by Osiris

I can only assume the location would be obvious to you or anyone else who has ever looked up into the night sky and wondered if they were really all alone. There is no reason for us to assume that the ballsack would be located anywhere else, especially not with the knowledge that no known agency is behind any of this. We're flying blind here right now and we're doing out best, but you're stonewalling our attempts to get to the truth at every turn. People videotape police beatings on darkened streets. They manage to spot Elvis in three cities across America every day, but no one saw a pretty woman forced to shoot a man in the ballsack in a darkened hallway in the middle of nowhere during a riot. Isn't that just a little too convenient?

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dammit agent, just get back to the office and file your report. and if i have to hear about your abducted sister one more time.....

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

dammit agent, just get back to the office and file your report. and if i have to hear about your abducted sister one more time.....

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But it's relevant to the case! Lizzy was taken in much the same manner that Samantha was! By forces beyond our control. But I believe we can help her! It's that belief that has fuelled me, given me the strength of conviction to persevere against not only the deck that has been stacked against me but also against those seeking to bury the truth. Truth that could bring down the curtain that these men hide behind, pulling the strings of those in seats of inscrutable power. The truths that I'm willing to risk not only my career, my relationships, my reputation but also my very life for.