Chapter 18- No Place Like Home - Part 2

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Originally Posted by tommy_vercetti

Actually Vic says ''Talk to me in a week''

Re listen to chapter 18 part 1, around 4:25 minutes in he says it

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I haven't heard this thought yet. I believe the reason Vic is telling them to go away, is because he believes they may abandon their friends, as maybe he did. Guilt sucks.

But of course, not letting some people leave because of the asset that they are, and them being forced into my earlier thought, is just a pile of suck.

-Off Topic Side Thought-
And i have a hunch, that we're not gonna hear much more of this colony story line this chapter. I think 18-3 is gonna be this angel/kalani vs the big one all the way thru, just like 18-2 was all the colony stuff. And then, 19 will be all about the tower. hehehehe, puttin money down on this one [ok, not really]

I'm sorry to say this, but 18/2 was the worst of the all the chapters for me. Michael, Kelly and Pegs all got on my damn nerves. At first I couldn't decide who I wanted to punch more, Mike or Pegs? Michael won out. His character has turned into this cat who should KNOW better than run his mouth at any given time.
Vic's continued warnings didn't tingle anyone's Spidy Senses one iota.
No military bearing left whatsoever! It's like he forgot all his training and deployed experience. The Hope thing was really the straw that broke the camels back for me. Lose lips sink ships and they sure went Pearl Harbor!
Pegs.. whoo wee! She's "Special"
I glad the doc put them in their places. I love her attitude! I can see Lizzy evolving into a person like her.

The Colony: Not cannibals. They have gardens and such. Survival of the fittest type? Hell yah. If you can't contribute, then you're outty. Makes perfect sense. Medical care for tenured servitude. Makes sense.
In the end, one of them is going to have to stay as a hostage of sorts, a bargaining chip if you will, to ensure whomever returns to the tower acts accordingly.
I'm actually more interested in seeing what happens with Angel, Kalani and Skittles.
I am wondering why Angel just doesn't try and head shot? He can fire from a supported position. Nothing chasing him and he has a clear target. It's clearly not going anywhere.
Ok, I'm done ranting.. LOL

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Originally Posted by Kc

Wasn't exactly what he said...

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Originally Posted by tommy_vercetti

Actually Vic says ''Talk to me in a week''

Re listen to chapter 18 part 1, around 4:25 minutes in he says it

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My bad, I think the heebie-jeebies for the colony got the better of my memory.

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Originally Posted by RamblinMike

My bad, I think the heebie-jeebies for the colony got the better of my memory.

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No worries... There's a few particulars that I just try to keep clear... Makes for interesting theories.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Here's something we haven't mentioned yet: What was Tanya starting to say when Michael and she overlapped in the beginning of the episode. I didn't catch it the first time because I was on the subway, but I listened again and heard the overlap. Because that is obviously there for a reason. There are ways to fix that in post production if it were an accident while recording. Anybody able to catch what she started to say?

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I think I finally caught what she was trying to say. She started to say "How did you know..." and then Michael cut her off. I still say this is an important part of the episode. At no time in my career in entertainment has a director allowed an actor to step over people's lines unless it was expressly called for in the script (and what the people were saying didn't need to be heard by the audience). I know what that exchange usually sounds like. This sounded nothing like that. There's nearly a two second delay between Michael's line "You're the reason we're here" and when both Michael and Tanya speak next.

Thoughts?

wait could u reframe the situation again, i remember this hickup clearly, cause i remember thinking oh wow the actors messed up, but if what u say is true then that opens a lot of possibilities. what did michael say that made tanya respond or begin to respond "how did u know"

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

wait could u reframe the situation again, i remember this hickup clearly, cause i remember thinking oh wow the actors messed up, but if what u say is true then that opens a lot of possibilities. what did michael say that made tanya respond or begin to respond "how did u know"

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Starting at 1:03
Michael: Before you bar me, look at it. Its just a break. It wasn't set right and it's been the way it is now. No bite marks or anything just some bad discoloration
Tanya: I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to take any chances.
Michael: Ok, don't let me in that's fine. You're the reason we're here.

(Pause)
Michael: [We're looking for help...]
Tanya: [How did you know...]
(pause)

Michael: We're looking for...etc etc

The brackets and italics indicate the overlap.

If this were a live broadcast of a Radio Drama, I would have laughed and been like "Ah ha! Actor mess up!" but since this is recorded and spends time being edited, everything that KC allows into the final product is for a reason. I'm just wondering what the reason could be to have them overlap like this and have an awkward pause both before and after the overlap.

Had Michael just continued on saying "our friend is hurt and needs help and blah blah blah" this wouldn't be a big deal because you aren't supposed to hear or understand that Tanya tried to say anything. But since they paused and stopped, it's there for a reason.

thanks!

you're the reason we're here
how did you know...

this is hard... well i know that at a later point tanya says that she isnt doing her work by choice, maybe medical work isnt the only work she's doing, human experimention? it would fit since it was said that the hospital reaked of death and had an ominous tone to it. maybe she's looking to escape. lets say michael/pegs/kelly are forced to stay in the colony by Marcus, the facade of the colony breaks and its actually a hellhole, so they break out, and on their way out they take hope and tanya with them. Doctors are a very rare commodity and the colony now has a reason to come knocking on the tower door.

but back to the topic at hand, i think maybe the answer lies in the question itself as in what it's asking. you're the reason we're here could mean we're here for u the doctor. and then how did you know i was here. or could it be more? by you're the reason we're here, could he somehow have meant that they were here for tanya the person. I'm wondering if Michael knows more than he's letting the audience know, it wouldnt be the first time (broken arm story we're all itching to hear) maybe this has something to do with the boat, maybe he found something on the boat that he hid, maybe this has something to do with the broken arm story itself. we know michael was army intel, maybe he saw something, maybe the room was bugged and didnt want to give away what he knows.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

thanks!

you're the reason we're here
how did you know...

this is hard... well i know that at a later point tanya says that she isnt doing her work by choice, maybe medical work isnt the only work she's doing, human experimention? it would fit since it was said that the hospital reaked of death and had an ominous tone to it. maybe she's looking to escape. lets say michael/pegs/kelly are forced to stay in the colony by Marcus, the facade of the colony breaks and its actually a hellhole, so they break out, and on their way out they take hope and tanya with them. Doctors are a very rare commodity and the colony now has a reason to come knocking on the tower door.

but back to the topic at hand, i think maybe the answer lies in the question itself as in what it's asking. you're the reason we're here could mean we're here for u the doctor. and then how did you know i was here. or could it be more? by you're the reason we're here, could he somehow have meant that they were here for tanya the person. I'm wondering if Michael knows more than he's letting the audience know, it wouldnt be the first time (broken arm story we're all itching to hear) maybe this has something to do with the boat, maybe he found something on the boat that he hid, maybe this has something to do with the broken arm story itself. we know michael was army intel, maybe he saw something, maybe the room was bugged and didnt want to give away what he knows.

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Or... it's common for people to step on each other when they talk. Before anyone goes diving in too deep on this one I can explain my reasoning on this one. When I'm going through and editing segments of dialogue there's a certain energy that a person takes to a scene. Michael's first line had a certain amount of energy, and then he went forward, started a line, stopped himself, and did it again, but this 2nd time the energy level didn't match. When I took both lines and did one after the other, it felt disjointed. So I turned the time he stopped himself in the line, put a piece of Tanya's line from another area in to make it seem like two people naturally interrupt each other. I felt it also added a piece of realism in the pacing because people do talk over each other, especially when talking over the phone or through a box with someone you can't see.

So, it was a combination of things.

Touche master kc. Touche.

I actually just assumed that she was talking to someone in the background, and happened to have her mic still on at the time.

I mean, obviously we all know that people interrupt each other when speaking. It just seemed different to me this time. I completely understand KC's point, and I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

I mean, obviously we all know that people interrupt each other when speaking. It just seemed different to me this time. I completely understand KC's point, and I stand corrected.

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No worries, I just wanted to clarify- otherwise someone might consider it a loose end.

I really do enjoy the amount of strong female leads in this story Kc. I can't stand horror stories where the girls trip and lay on the ground kicking until someone comes to get them. I expect a certain amount of girliness but in a zombie apocalypse it should show in their character why each survived so long. Great development with this new doctor. Michael is one of my top 3 favorites but sometimes I just want someone to hit him in the face ... really hard. But I'll settle for the re-breaking of his arm.

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Originally Posted by Zombiehead

I really do enjoy the amount of strong female leads in this story Kc. I can't stand horror stories where the girls trip and lay on the ground kicking until someone comes to get them.

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*cough* pegs *cough cough*

well not so much anymore hahaha

I thought this episode was really interesting. Needless to say, I think the Colony is not the happiest place to live. I'm not an experienced We're Alive analyst like you guys but personally I think Hope will come back to the Tower to see Saul. She may be blind but she must have had a little training treating people. I think she'd add an interesting addition to the Tower's residents. What makes the Tower different than the Colony is that they would take anyone in without question.

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

Maybe Kalani isn't telling them everything. I do think Hope will tell them something about Kalani that he doesn't want them to find out. Maybe its something he did at the tower or beforehand.

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I hadn't thought about this but it would be fantastic!

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Originally Posted by SleepyGlenn

I'm not an experienced We're Alive analyst like you guys but personally I think Hope will come back to the Tower to see Saul. She may be blind but she must have had a little training treating people. I think she'd add an interesting addition to the Tower's residents.

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Interesting, I hadn't thought of Hope being the one going to the tower. It might happen, but I think they would either bring Saul to the colony or somehow escape and take the doctor with them than take a blind girl to help a dying man.

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Originally Posted by SleepyGlenn

What makes the Tower different than the Colony is that they would take anyone in without question.

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This is also one of the towers many faults. This could be how a spy got in.

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

Interesting, I hadn't thought of Hope being the one going to the tower. It might happen, but I think they would either bring Saul to the colony or somehow escape and take the doctor with them than take a blind girl to help a dying man.

This is also one of the towers many faults. This could be how a spy got in.

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Oh no, I totally agree they'd try and get the Doctor out too. I have this strange feeling she might die in the escape attempt though. She's obviously fond of the girl, I'm thinking some sort of sacrifice scenario might come up. It just seems too easy for the Towerites to have a qualified doctor living with them. A blind teenager seems much more like their luck. :-p

As for the Tower being too welcoming, I suppose you're right. At least they don't make people strip every time they come in though! I mean... Bert lives there. Nobody wants to see that.

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Originally Posted by SleepyGlenn

As for the Tower being too welcoming, I suppose you're right. At least they don't make people strip every time they come in though! I mean... Bert lives there. Nobody wants to see that.

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LOL that's just wrong, not sure which is worse being the one who has to strip or being the one who watches it.

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

LOL that's just wrong, not sure which is worse being the one who has to strip or being the one who watches it.

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Lets just say now we know why Hope went blind.

Has anyone thought about the reference to The Wizard of Oz in the title? Does it only apply to the fact that they're far away from home and will soon wish to be back, or will they discover that L.A. had mostly what they needed all along?

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Originally Posted by RamblinMike

Has anyone thought about the reference to The Wizard of Oz in the title? Does it only apply to the fact that they're far away from home and will soon wish to be back, or will they discover that L.A. had mostly what they needed all along?

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Totally. I think maybe they'll realize that the Tower really is their home and that they shouldn't abandon it. As for finding help for Saul in LA... I'm not sure. I think they needed to go on this trip. It remains to be seen what will come from it!

As for the Oz parallel, could Marcus (leader of the Colony) be a Wizard like character? Offering to grant our heroes' wishes but turn out to be a fraud?

I think they'll have to kidnap the Doctor from the Colony and drag her back to help Saul; the 'Colonists' won't help them otherwise.

Was introducing us to Hope being Samantha's daughter good or bad for Hope? I like the doc. Reminds me of Doc Stephens from TWD (comics)

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Originally Posted by DeadMen_Walking

Was introducing us to Hope being Samantha's daughter good or bad for Hope? I like the doc. Reminds me of Doc Stephens from TWD (comics)

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Hope kinda annoys me but I am awaiting something special or some deep insight from her on the zombie origins or a means of destroying the evil bastards. Wishful thinking maybe??:D

I'm really enjoying The Colony's theme music. It reminds me of LOTR! :D