Hmm, so they try to attack the same place when they want to turn them.......
And they scratch them with a symbol....BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
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Hmm, so they try to attack the same place when they want to turn them.......
And they scratch them with a symbol....BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
To quote Michael from season 3:
PUCK
Gotta fix it first, the place is all fucked up, but we can keep them out, right?
MICHAEL
No.
DATU
But we can if we just-
MICHAEL
What? We keep running? We put thousands of miles between us and it didn’t matter. It still found us.
(beat)
I’m tired of leaving, hiding, putting up walls just for them to tear them down. It doesn’t make a difference. We lose people anyway, just slower. There’s less of us, and more of them. And they keep getting worse.
SAUL
What are you saying we should do?
MICHAEL
Enough’s enough. I’m tried of being on the defense-
(beat)
It’s time for us to go to them.
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Season 3 was all about the option of trying to run away... no matter how far you go, it would just be a matter of time before they caught up.
I still think it is just that Ink just wants to kill them. I don't think there is any reasoning with him. I think it is more of a 'Just like the Characters have grown to reflect the environment, so has Ink and Co'. He was ambushing convoys. There was no he sent an emissary..Humans went "THIS IS SPARTA!" and he reacted. It seems more of "Well shit. They locked themselves in a Tower. How do I kill them now?" and "God Dammit. They got soldiers. Need to step it up". Them being there is making it worse, but I don't see them to blame. Ink is just evolving and finding ways to kill them.
Tanya is the only one that has said so. When she and Kelly were talking she said "This looks retaliatory. We hit him and he hits us" and Kelly blew her off. Tanya is the one again saying "We caused this".
I would agree with her in Ink wasn't gathering people up, attacking Convoys, ect. He started work on the Little Ones and Behemoths right away. Given that the rest of the Zombies just want to kill Humans, I think Ink just wants to do the same. Tanya is just trying to find reason in madness.
Ha!!!!!!! Markings on the face!
Ink's special creation, just likes Saruman's special Orclings.
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Wait, there's more. Kelly was on to something about Ink's actions being in self-defense. Lizzy was on to something about being attacked when they're in large numbers. Ink uses Trojan Horses to infiltrate and destroy. Who else does this? Now, here is the Scratch Connection. (Thread: Has Scratch cut a deal?)
- Chapter 27 part 2, 6:00. The mallers are proposing to send Kalani or Pippin to infiltrate Dunbar. Kalani asks, what have they done. Scratch replies, "It's what they could be."
- Chapter 27 part 2, near the end. Dunbar is falling. Scratch isn't concerned that a potential home is being sacked. Kalani starts running.
- Chapter 12, The War, and Chapter 28 part 1, 19:40. Scratch wants Kalani to fire a shot to start a war. She then tries to fire bomb the Tower. She has NO interest at all in taking to building for the Mallers' use. Again, Kalani was used to infiltrate the building.
- Scratch travels throughout Zombie-land with ease: At night-Chapter 8 part one.
- Lizzy says that Pinstripes seemed to know that he was being watched so he kept his face away from the camera in Chapter 11.
Earlier Latch and Scratch cased the Tower's lobby.- When CJ's tower is under attack Scratch seemed nonchalant when Kalani told her.
- Almost like she knew or expected the attack to be under way.
CJ's tower attacked 3 days after Scratch sends Kalani.
Ink attacks Tower 3(?) days after Latch and Scratch's visit.- Ink's minion does attack Scratch's convoy on the way to attack the arena. Ink is seen there too.
Now, Ink's psychological state and did he have advance knowledge of the outbreak. Tanya says that he is terribly afraid of dying. He uses a ton of protection symbols. So, was he trying to protect himself from being killed by zombies or was he trying to protect himself from, say, the death penalty? I'm guessing the former, and that he had some advance knowledge that it was coming. Using the symbols to protect from a death sentence seems like an appeal to the supernatural. Ink is a freaking scientist. A good one at that. Going supernatural doesn't seem his style. After turning, he even kept his experimental skills. Setting up different symbols above jail cells to see which ones worked, GENIUS! Also, I can't get over this contest entry by Deacon Tyler. The more we learn about Ink, the more chilling his entry becomes.
Is Ink a zombie? @Jannit
Not really. He has clear green eyes, people that turn seem to have cloudy eyes. The one little one that was autopsied also had clear eyes.
Is Ink Human?
Not really. He kicks open the van doors and wrenches the hinges. He jumps out a 2nd or Third story window and keeps running.
Ok, crazy time. Ink kicks open the doors because he does not know his own strength. Can we find another example of excessive strength? Yes, Pegs breaks a hammer early in season one. Ink is super tough. Do we have other examples? Yes, Saul. He gets kicked by special zombie capable of jumping across distances between buildings. A normal person can kick and double someone over. A strong kick can break ribs. A super jumper should be able to do much more damage. Saul takes a bullet in the shoulder. It should have passed right through. Did it go through Tommy first or is Saul's skin harder? At the colony, Saul takes another bullet. The vest is a civilian cop level. I assume no ceramic plates. Stop a hand gun, sure. Stop a rifle, I am not sure. Did Scratch have a handgun or rifle?
For me, just about everyone in this story operates at near super levels. I just think it is for story purposes, but maybe the Gas has Changed EVERYONE. Riley is not just a cook, she is a super cook. She shoots a movingntarget at range right in the eye. Burt has similar shooting skills, he says his eyes are going, but when TSHTF, he is perfect. Pegs is not a farmer, she is a super farmer. She goes from casual fixed wing pilot to chopper pilot in a day. Datu is an apartment complex handyman, but fixes the pelican and the people trained in repair and upkeep of choppers at Irwin cannot figure it out.
So, are all of these things that I let slide for story telling purposes, really part of the plot that nearly everyone has changed and have become more than human?
Okay, hold on a sec. I have another question for people 'cause I haven't been asking enough*.
If the zombies are only defending themselves and Ink is purely reactionary why did they wipe out nearly all of humanity on Z-Day in the first place? Are they wired to think that ANY sound is a threat and that's why they attack?
*My sarcasm symbol
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God, I love the use of flashbacks to support Tanya's theories... Nicely made!
So Ink's afraid of dying... Poor guy! But it makes sense indeed. Though it seems a bit ironic that a guy almost scared to death by the thought of dying (pun intended) murders a handful of people... Or maybe I'm just not psychopathic enough to understand his way of thinking :P
So... Kc... Is that Rainbow fan an actual symbol from somewhere or did you just create it yourself? It's so sad to spend hours upon hours googling if it turns out to be in vain.
Whether or not it's real... Where do the five lines meet? Top or buttom?
Hmm... So our beloved Dr Ink is making something new Down there... Little ones 2.0!! Damn, this is getting creepy! I Wonder how Scratch will fit in though... Maybe she shows up only to get eaten by one of the LO2s...
Good point! There's just so much to this story it amazes me that you can keep it all straight.
I like where you're going with this. By your logic if none of them are "really" human and extrodinary in some way, then there's no reason that Ink can't be a hyped up human too rather than a turned zombie. If the only examples of clear-eyed zombies are the Little Ones, perhaps only pure zombies have the clear eyes and hybrids all have the cloudy eyes. By that logic, Ink would have to be human as he couldn't be a pure zombie.
Okay, i found my tin-foil hat. Let's see if it still fits.
1. Ink adapts to the human's attacks
2. Tanya mentioned that ink found out that he didn't have to do too much at one point because he saw that people will fight against each other anyway. That the mallers and our old tower folks were taking each other out.
3. Scratch is looking and fighting against our guys and she is currently MIA.
Here goes my theory. Scratch is ink's new experiment. He knows that scratch knows a lot about where and how to find them, who to target first, and how they will likely fight.
Ink snatched up scratch and turned her along with her 2 goons she still had when tar dust left, and he is giving her an army of a new kind of little ones.
I don't think there's enough time to end her story in the amount of time we have left to the show, so it makes sense to me that their stories will merge and become one somehow
I know its far Fetched. Strap a small yield nuke to Kodi and send it into the Lion's Den. The blast would kill everything throughout the tunnel network..
SKITTLES! Skittles is the other person involved previously. Hence how he knows Ink will find him, or at least fears it, and everything else. Fine line between genius and insanity. Ink went insane before Z-Day and Skittles went insane after the attack on Dunbar when he realized who was causing all the mayhem and how far Ink could take it.
Maybe something in between. If we go crazy :tinfoil: I think there have been about five or six mass extinctions where the most predominant life form is obliterated followed by a burst of evolution to fill the new niches. So, maybe some alien kid hits the evolution reset button and starts a new game, but all he gets to keep all of his unlockables in the new game, so the first part of he game goes really fast! Lol. Ok, kidding about the alien kid, but I do like the concept of human 2.0. Natural thing from the depth of the Earth? Some other performance enhancing drug made by Ink, or a combination of the two? A natural thing that Ink "tweaked"
Flash backs..... to the soldiers..... ugh the feels.....
We should of known that the symbol with the untouched door meant it was protected......
And they are figuring out that Ink is reacting to whatever they throw at him. I mean, damn, that's clever.....
And saying that it has gotten worse at LA than any other place in the world, is because of them.....
Wow, did not ever see it as that...... not sure what to say......
That's what I got from KC too. But at the same time, I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that Ink is superstitious like that.
'How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?'
Sherlock Holmes Quote-The Sign of Four
You just made me think of something... Maybe the superhuman qualities of zombies is really a reaction to the gas. Some people are changed by it to enhance their abilities, and some are killed by it due to ... something. I dunno. This would support what Grog says here:
Datu and Tanya are also probably those that would stand the best chance of turning into "Smart Ones" in that group, as an unrelated side note.
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Take that @katlero
:squint:
Ink putting his arm out the window does make sense, given his fear of death. He sees that the infected are working together and killing humans, and he knows it is only a matter of time before the infected break into the van. By sticking his arm out and getting infected, he gives himself time to turn before they get in, ensuring that he lives, even if it is as a monster.
Wings. Super-Farts. Combination of both ...
Maybe.
Looks like.
Because zombies eat each other as well according to what Skittles mentioned.
Not with the tattoos on him. And even if they tried, he would mess with them big time. Just remember how incredible awesome his snatching Riley's arrow out of the air was. Super-zombie-powered-reflexes.
He IS a zombie. Jumping from the third floor of a building and still running with a frantic speed is inhuman - just as much as a) killing Paul by smashing half of his head and b) snatching arrows out of the air which were shot at him justa few yards away with a modern sport- or hunting-bow. Inhuman. No human can do this.
And don't come with the old Chuck Norris argument: Chuck Norris is not a human. He is humanity.
Nope. If he was overwhlemed by a huge mass of zombies, especially special ones, he might have gotten killed in the end; but with the protective shit on his skin even the super powerful zombies avoid him.
Liam
Wishful thinking, but:
This episode is called "Lion'S Den, and it still takes 2 episodes to go.
And then there is Saul, who is so damn pissed off, that he will do what he almost always does: running through thick walls with his head first in order to place KODI runder under the arse of whatever monster is down there.
So: nope: At least not all of them will go far North or somewhere else - at best maybe some of the smarter humans.
And don't forget: The girls are in Dunbar, and Scratch is on the run.
Currently, there's no evidence that he had any knowledge beforehand.
I know I've been dropping far more hints than usual, so this might be my last. The mental state of Bill Roberts prior to the attack isn't well known in the story. We know his occupation, but once he snapped, his logic and motives are suspect from then on. He may in fact have been legitimately crazy. And how would it look when someone on trial tattoos themselves all over their face? Does their mental condition become confirmed?
Yeah, thank you. I really tried hard for a very long time to think and believe that Ink was not aware of a zombie-age starting in LA or around the world. But the last bits and piece shaked at this foundation very hard. I am glad that - this time - I was not totally wrong until the moment I started to tilt towards the unholy thoughts of Ink knowing too much ...