The Riley-Burt-Tardust scene reminded me a lot of Seven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1giVzxyoclE
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The Riley-Burt-Tardust scene reminded me a lot of Seven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1giVzxyoclE
What makes you say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Yes he is! Been saying it for ages!Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Maybe you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by katlero
Micheal and Scratch have a mission in mind and are get more dangerous for the group they with. Riley seems to be under influence of something else. One would think that she start this to avenge Angel but it seem that she just want to die for a cause. She turn more darker and darker that I believe that Burt may have to be the one who put her down.
Even if he is immune, the guy got bit in the neck! Is it even physically possible to come back from that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
Well, Lady can track. Does Tanya enter the tunnels to get her son put of this prison, unlike the last time when she moved without telling him? SCUBA gear again? Wild cards, Kelly and Hope are unknowns when it comes to the gas. Hope has the additional advantage of being used to walking in the Dark.
:tinfoil:
Hope and Lady the two characters who appear to be the most useless rescue Saul???
i still can't commit to the extreme of saying she's "turned to the dark side."Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
made a rash, emotional decision? yes.
jeopardize the rest of the group by doing so? not really, i think...
there's so many stinkin' gray areas in WA, and given the two-folded news she had just received, i'm not condemning her actions completely.
Tardust saw the end of his life and chose to be an a-hole.
Saul's first journal entry mentioned:
"...and if i turn into one of those things because you sent me out here, then your ass is lunch."
FOREBODE....
So... what you're saying is the Riley has less in common with Scratch than Michael has?Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
All three are mission oriented.
All three are out for payback.
All three are hunting their foe.
Riley is out to avenge Angel's death.
Scratch is out to avenge Latch's death.
Michael is tired of losing ground.
I'm wondering more about the location of the bite versus the biter. For some reason I thought Datu was bit on the shoulder and by a regular one. I'll have to go relisten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Well...So THAT happened...
Okay so this episode had three acts to it, so I'll take them one at a time:
Act 1: Pegs and Tanya
So it does seem like the zombies have been around before and created pockets of z-gas underground. Or at least Tanya thinks so. Not much new here, just nice to know we are starting to get on the right track with all this theorizing.
Act 2: Exit Tardust
Well...damn. So it was starting to look like maybe Riley and Burt might pull out of this vengeance cycle and start to return to a bit to sanity but then Burt get the reveal about Lizzy dying dragged out of him, setting things on edge, then Tardust decides to grab the Idiot Ball and run with it. Seriously I always figured Tardust to be a little more thoughtful and deliberate than that. But no, he just had to go and open his mouth....
I can't say Tardust will be missed by any stretch of the imagination, but now Riley and Burt have reached the point of no return. Either this will wake them up and force them to see that their obsession with revenge will be their undoing and give it up, or they'll continue on and it will end up being their undoing.
Act 3: Randy, Saul and the Tunnel 'o Love
Soo...looks like we're gonna get a definitive answer on the whole "Are Saul and Tanya immune?" question, at least for Saul. My guess is Saul's not gonna be effected by the bite and Michael and Vic are gonna end mounting a rescue party. I mean, how else are we gonna get to explore the dark labyrinthine tunnels of zombie horror and intrigue? Who goes on the mission and how do they deal with the gas? I don't know. But I do know that my whole "Release the gas, kill the zombies" theory just pretty much got shot to hell. That hole was belching out gas like crazy and Randy didn't seem to mind one bit.
So I guess I should move on to my next :tinfoil: theory: The zombies are using the haze to terraform the earth. Someone else brought up the Doctor Who Episode "Blink" so I'll keep the theme alive by bringing up "The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky." Using poison gas to create a new environment for another species to live in. I'm not saying the zombies are alien (although at this point I won't discount anything) but maybe just something primordial that is trying to reclaim the earth and the release of the zombie gas will help them do so by eliminating any threats to their place as the dominant species.
P.S.
The line of the episode: "She'll hug you one day and slit your throat the next. Literally! That actually happened once!"
It's funny to hear Burt try to calm situations down. He's so bad at it. At least 0 and 4 so far.
No, she is not fully turned to the dark side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
Like you said, it was an emotional decision.
But she had not turned dark, and there is a reason i know. She cried. A truly dark person is a Narcissist, and does not weep for the action they commit, they feel not remorse for what they have done as it benefits them or makes them feel better.
Killing Tardust made her feel better, and also removed one less scumbag from the picture. Yet she cried. She has not turned to the dark side.
My thoughts:
I knew Tardust would die by Riley's hand as soon as they caught him. I really do like that he threw it back in their face that they are the same as Scratch. Just as crazy. I like that he got to say his piece before he died. He was able to tell her what we the fans wanted to tell her. "This doesn't end well for me" " So we are just friends now" and such. Really hit home that he knew his life was forfeit as soon as they caught him. That he knew it. She proved it. He made some really damn good points. Mainly about perception and Riley and Burt being no different.
I knew she would kill him over Lizzy, but didn't like the exchange. It felt like she had to know so she could justify it, and we can justify her anger as fans. Tardust hold out for for so long to have her go "Kulani said he didn't have files" and Tardust go "Um...uh...eh... I tried to rape her?" . Didn't try and deny it. Tried to say "It's ok really." I would have thought he would go "Look.. Kulani feed us stuff. We knew all your names. It is what it is. Sorry you trust the mole over what I am telling you" or go "Yeah, Scratch took care of her at the Colony. I saw her a decent amount". Instead he goes straight to the "Umm... oops?" We knew he was going to die though. It is for character growth though. She had to hear it from him so she can make the choice.
I will put a check next to "Randy understands he is hurting Michael". He grabbed Saul and looked at Michael. Short of him saying "Hey Ex-Buddy. I'm going to bite another one of your new buddies!" I don't know what else can be done to show that Randy is hurting Michael on purpose. He made a statement at the Windmill saying "I can take them out your House" and now he is saying "You come here and I will do the same". I think Randy is doing it all on purpose to get back at Michael leaving him alive.
I have said all along that from a Story Telling standpoint we will have to know how Ink knew about the Zombies ahead of time. Just too big of a Plot Hole. This gives us that. Randy and Co will think Saul is turned. Saul will still smell of Skittles while being bite. So he will find out. My guess is that the scientist in Ink will not allow him to not look into it. He will have to tell Saul about it. He will relish in the fact that there is someone to talk to or something. We be like "Your Immune? How does that work? Can I use this" then Saul will goad him into talking. Odds are Ink has't had that in a long time and will enjoy it. Then Saul gets and tells Dunbar or something.
This chapter concludes some things of the show.
Randy is part of Ink's army.
Zombies and the gas are closely related.
Smart Ones or at least the Smart One Randy is able to look through the smell-camoflage Michael, Victor, and Saul use to cover their scent.
Tardust is D-E-D, dead, ya hear? He was meant to die, because he did horrible things in the past. But I am not certain if I like the way it played out. To me this whole cabin-scene was kind of rushed too much. It made no sense for me. First Tardust is treated like shit and as a prisoner based on a theme of revenge; then Tardust gets hurt and he plays so well along that the pendulum swings towards some weird friendship evolving, especially with Burt and Tardust speaking about bio-diesel; then Burt all of a sudden has this look on his face and Riley gets crazy about it; then Tardust lets down his defenses; and then "blam" ... Nah, didn't like this seen, 'cause actually it could have been made ... different?
And Tardust was right when he compared Riley (and Burt?) with Scratch.
(And about these two latter cases: I would not wonder a lot, if the majority looks at it from a different angle than mine ...)
I will skip all considerations on Riley being now totally corrupt, since it has been said already. I have really a hard time buying a part of the dialog between Tar, Burt and Riley. "How do you know her?". Really? I can overlook that Kalani actually mentionned Lizzy in his log, Riley might have forgotten that. But the question is just... how did he knew her? I don't know, maybe the months and months and months she spent with the Mallers? Am I missing something obvious?
Yeah, Tardust really grabbed hold of the Idiot Ball when he first opened his mouth about Lizzy and didn't let go until he got a bullet to the head. The only possible justification I can think of for why he confessed so quickly is that maybe he figured they would drag him again or something worse if he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Once Riley brought up the whole "you were at the furniture store" thing (and how in the hell did she figure that one out?), it wouldn't be too much of a leap in logic for Tardust to figure that once they had him pegged as the would-be rapist, he was done no matter what lies he concocted to try and get out of it. So a bullet to the head is a better death then being dragged again until he confessed and then possibly being dragged to death once he did.
Yeah, Tardust fumbled the ball at that point. He could have made up a lie and maybe got a away with it, but just didn't happen. Once Riley made the connection about the attempted rape... well. you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
Don't forget, Randy and Saul knew each other as well. Saul even recognized him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
Riley was being detained when Michael was reading Kalani's logbook, but if she read it again later, that is all on her.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Glad I'm not the only one who's confused by the Riley, Burt and Tardust scene. I just cannot buy that Tardust, who is not stupid, would not be able to think of a lie to keep himself from being found out as Lizzy's would-be-rapist. And if not a lie, then why didn't he just deny it over and over? He could see that Burt definitely did not want to kill him, and that it was all Riley. Beyond that point, even, why the hell would he egg her on like that? I don't buy that he thought he was already dead so a gunshot would be cleaner: Tardust is smart and he is a coward, he didn't want to die no matter what. So, in keeping with his character, he would have made up excuses and lied his way out no matter how mad or desperate he was. No, I think his outburst was far out of character for him. Now, I'll tell you how I could have bought it: if Riley and Burt's torture of him had been harsher. If they had, say, cut off his finger or something, I could see him actually thinking, "they're crazy. They're no different from Scratch." But what they did to him was tame in comparison to Scratch's insanity. I just can't buy the whole thought process.
smh
:peeps:Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
This is what I was trying to say. I cannot rep you though :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
Yes, but I had no problem with him frakking up: he ran a marathon, got his leg almost chopped and got drunk all within 12 hours. The problem for me is why would Riley even ask that? Isn't it obvious? Lizzy was with them for months. It took me out of the listening for a few seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I so much agree. Lol! Well, you know, blame the strong whisky... It cost 72k, it better knock your brain over a bit...Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
But yeah, it doesn't really make sense to me either... My only hope is that Burt will kill/in some other way get rid of Riley as soon as possible, I just can't stand her by now.
And even though Tardust tried to rape Lizzy back then I still feel sorry for him. Poor guy.
R.I.P. Philip
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Verse
We don't agree on a lot of things, but I think we are on the same page on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Listening now:
Hm, so they are thinking the gas may have been sealed underground, and the tunnels being dug are releasing it... hmm....... wonder what it's about....
Well, Burt and Riley have found the cabin from the episode art. Wonder if anyone is in....
Ooh, bear traps, how sneaky.
Wow what an idiot, he stepped in a bear trap. Bet he did it so Scratch heard him....
Ooooooh, Tardust brought up how they are no different to Scratch. I kinda like him now....
Feel kinda sorry for him though, he has some good points that they won't believe him....
Oh damn, they're on the binge again.... this won't be good.
Kinda like the rapist? Cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
Oh look, they're talking about bio-diesel. Funny that.
Hm, are they warming up to Tardust?
Oh, is Burt about to tell Riley Lizzy is dead? :( Oh fuck she figured it out. Noooooo, not back to this sad side of the show.....
OH GOD, NOW TARDUST IS SPILLING THE SHIT. NOW ITS ALL OUT. Shit is happening.....
Man, he really is pushing her.
Oh damn, now he's dead. Balls. Well, i take back saying i liked him.
Well obviously not that part. And after listening to the bit later, i retracted that now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris