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The closest thing to me that resembles a tower is a tall tree with a deer stand...Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
This is much truth. Revenge is a powerful subtext in this story. Even Ink has a revenge plot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
Maybe the prediction for the next chapter is that the chapter title is "Clouded Judgment"
Does Tardust know what the list of drugs Ink is using does? If you working in his business (making drugs) you probably need to keep up with new drugs to make ppl high and how the react with other drugs. Just a thought. Tardust might know what counter acts Folastatin and the other drugs. Could be an interesting twist.
The Two, I mean Three Towers...
I am just glad the water tower did not have a big WB on the side and have skittles pop open the door and start singing. To further flog the the dead horse. Maybe Scratch cut the Pinky off of a maller and now he works for Ink. As The Brain finally takes over the World.
Did anyone else catch the murder of crows as Burt and Riley leave Tardust in the truck to have their private conversation at the start of the episode? I ran out of tinfoil earlier this season, but I would be remiss if I did not point it out.
Anyway, when we heard Burt and Riley at Angel's grave, I made the comment that she was sounding a lot like Scratch with a maniacal obsession. Even more so in this episode as she appears ready to forgo Waterboarding and going straight to cut-boarding.
Mark came to mind cause he is in the Gun turret with Michael and CJ.. Michael always seems to attract trouble.
Hello.
Ok, two solid cliffhangers in #45-3, overall a third cliffhanger pending with Scratch on the loose doin' somethin'.
Means: #46 will be packed with a lot of trouble and entertainment.
- Skittles and CJ seem to have some trouble between them. But things are still kind of shady and clouded. Will Duncan be of any help? What "smell" or "special characteristic" makes him so special, and will Tanya or anyone else be able to create the right stuff in order to mimic Skittle's special feature? And how will it work out when used by other survivors?
- A big question is: How would Ink know that Skittles has helped the other survivors? Is there a deeper connection between the both of them? Or is Skittles does anxious that Ink would be such a mastermind that he would necessarily conclude Skittle's aid from whatever the other survivors do?
- Riley. Or should I say: Sith Riley. I concur with anyone starting to have bad or at least not so good feelings about Riley. In the beginning of the WA show Riley was very confident and steady. It was she who supported the growing bonds between the first Towerites. And she came up with plenty of really good ideas. With Irwin she lost track of her strength, and since she is on the run together with Burt (bad influence from Uncle Sam's Misguided Child?) she has become more and more desperate, wild, maybe even barbaric. What is it we are going to see in #46? Will Riley as much as torture Tardust? Or will it be just some solid threatening? And are we going to loose her as a beloved character of the first hour?
- Who will outsmart whom? Will Tanya outsmart Ink, or will it be the other way around?
- RANDY!!! In the first half of season 4 he played a major role. What's it gonna be with him in the last three chapters???
Best wishes!
Liam
I totally agree, especially on the last sentence. It is quite astonishing that 24, a show that relied heavily on torture scenes throughout its run, became this popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
That's if you believe he actually left, and wasn't just heading back for something else. It posses the question also, why would Scratch even leave guns behind? I don't know if he's entirely truthful about everything. At this point, what can you believe?Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Max, the redshirt in the turret is named Max.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
Does anyone think that Tardust, unknowingly, is being used by Scratch? Once he leave she may have gotten the idea to discredit Tardust by clear all the place they had been too. Cause whoever found Tardust disbelieve him. And lower their guard for her attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
Skittles bottled - the new fragrance by Duncan.
Damn.. I make notes when listening.. I put Mark not Max.. Brain Fart..Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Yea, she probably noticed he took the left turn and put her plan into the works.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Scratch is a crazy bitch, but she can form a plan. And she also knows her people. If Tardust had been having second thoughts, she would let him run and get caught. Eventually he would fold and take B&R to all the places they had been, so she could camp outside one of those spots until they arrived and catch them off guard, or use the diversion to attack the colony and finally get to Pegs and end her vendetta.
My question is did they check the Observation/Listening Post near the colony yet?
I would think that would make them raise their guard because of being unable to trust Tardust.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Well, I do not know. What can be said for sure is that he is keeping Riley and Burt effectively away from the fire-station, the relays and the colony.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Maybe, that is Skittles trick. Too many beans...Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
Or a blessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
I dunno. Riley seems practical enough to understand why Burt would keep it from her for a while. I can see her being pissed for a while but she seems too reasonable not to get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
It does seem to be getting to be a bit too much of a stretch. I was playing along with the idea that Burt and Riley have been hunting Scratch for as long as they have but given everything else that's going on it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me anymore. I'm not really loving the Burt and Riley arc but that's just my personal option. The characters are both interesting in their own right and together they make for some awesome dialogue but that's about as far as I'll go with the idea. Just my two cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Perhaps. But still a question that needs answering. :nik:Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
1. Yeah, and I was also hoping that he could come up with some central, keystone-like knowledge that would help put the final pieces in place, but in this short exchange he just seems like a little crazy dude who smells funny.... Now what I was hoping for... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
2. Nah, to say that Riley is Scratch 2.0 is a bit of a stretch. To me, her torturing Tar isn't out of line with her character arc, nor would it get me to stop liking her. It's the friggin' Zompocalypse, for chrissake-- the Girl Scouts are all long dead... :nik:
Yep, I am also wondering how much this entire thing is a setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
This is very likely IF Tardust really did bail as he said; Scratch would realize that Tar knew of the location of their supplies and would not try to move them before he could. However, she could also anticipate his move and have an ambush in place at one of these houses... :nik: Sooner or later, she has got to show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
This is the kind of information I wish they could get from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
Yes, this question jumped out to me on the first listen...Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
What if she never does. What if she never shows up, and that is left as an unanswered question at the end of the series, with the possibility that she is always out there, stalking what survivors there may be, still carrying her anger on her shoulders, and always ready to pounce?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Or maybe he is just generally paranoid, like I am about how my cat knows when I get a can of tuna...Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Wrapping up initial thoughts from 45-3:
Tardust = Pippen 2.0?
The Mallers have come up with this plan and used it several times before (see Pippen & Kalani). There is the possibility that most of what Tardust is saying is a lie and he is really a RAT planted by Scratch...
"Onramp near I-5"
Uh, how could they use any of the highways at all, if they were so clogged by the initial outbreak panic that they needed a helicopter just to make it to Ft. Irwin?
Duncan/Skittles 'Knowledge'
What was surprising to me was that Skittles appears to be ignorant of exactly why he hasn't been eaten by the Zeds. The fact that he says that he 'hides' is not true, based on the video where he was seen walking plainly past the Zeds. So what is the deal, here? His smell? Does he have a facial birthmark that means "DON'T EAT" to Zeds?? Or was it neither of these, and something else altogether? Is it possible that Skittles has somehow struck a deal with Ink???
Skittles doesn't even seem to know how Ink got in to Dunbar in the first place. He seems surprised when C.J. shows him the evidence that it was indeed him who let Ink inside. And here all this time I thought he went crazy out of the guilt of letting Ink inside. Also, I am disappointed that we didn't get any reveal that Skittles somehow knew Ink prior to the outbreak...
Sympathetic Character Switch?
Interesting that some of you have already commented that Riley will be cast out of your favor if she 'descends to Scratch's level' and starts to torture Tardust. Sure it's nasty, but I don't believe that anyone in this kind of world could still be alive without some stains on their hands. Morality works differently in a world where every second of every day is a gritty fight for survival...
That's just to give a geographical reference. For people who aren't familiar with places in LA, typically they can figure out where they are with the freeways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Interesting question, because it brings up a bit of a Catch-22 with the storytelling, here:Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
KC NEEDS TO CARRY THIS OUT AND RESOLVE THE PLOT!
If she DOESN'T show up, then most of us would feel dissatisfied and view this as a 'loose end' in the plot that was never cleaned up, never resolved. Despite the fact that most of us expect this will happen, it nevertheless won't feel like a completely satisfying story if she disappears, or dies in some meaningless, random way (e.g., she falls off a building).
KC IS A HACK, A MERE SLAVE TO PREDICTABLE PLOT CONVENTIONS!
But if she DOES show up, then this could be viewed as a predictable, formulaic plot convention that Kc has used where the villain comes back at the end for one last stand before she is destroyed forever. Been done a million times before, thus reflecting a stunning lack of innovation or creative risk-taking on the part of the author.
So Kc is basically fucked either way. :nik:
I will never hate or Dislike Riley if she Tortures Tardust. After all the little freak would deserve it.. I just do not think it will be something once done she will recover from easily, hence the part where Burt asked her if she really wanted to go down that road. She will remain in a dark place for a long time or until she meets her demise. But then again I already think she is in a dark place.. Ever since Angel's implied death when the tower fell. But when you throw in Lizzie's death into the mix, I do not think Riley will ever come back from the Dark side. Part of me hopes she never finds out. But that would be because she too dies. Which I am not sure how I would feel about that.. I like Riley's character but I never had a bond so to speak, with her. Like I do with some of the others.. Datu's death was rough because why would you not like him. Lizzie's was rough because of Saul.
So... I noticed two kinda weird noises in the background when Burt and Riley are talking, both within the same ten seconds... More or less, around 3:29-3:39.
First one is right after Riley's asked what they should do with Tardust, the other one is while Burt says 'Maybe not. Let's just hear what he has to say'
Another thing... The file contains 45.3...twice...Both episodes have those two funy sounds too...
Hmm, I don't like that idea. Morality shouldn't take a backseat, when things go wrong. IT is what keep us more human then other. If you need to bend your morality to match the world then you are just slave of that world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Frankly I'm looking forward to this part of the story! My only reservation was the believability of two people out for blood that are able to keep it running at 100% 24 hours a day. Personally, I would think that this would've been toned down a bit more and then the hatred refreshed when they managed to catch Tardust. Again, minor opinion on plot but the end result is still something I'm looking forward to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
A quick thought on your point UDS. According to Urban Dictionary, the definition of morality is:Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
mo·ral·i·ty/məˈrælɪti, mÉ”-/ Show Spelled [muh-ral-i-tee, maw-] Show IPA
noun, plural mo·ral·i·ties for 4–6.
1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
2. moral quality or character.
3. virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
4. a doctrine or system of morals.
5. moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.
If we go with the first definition then conventional morality doesn't apply in the world that the characters are now in.
Interesting..... But I don't think Kc would do that to us.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
Well when you phrase it that way... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Yeah, that was a screw up on our part. There was a glitch in the version in the first 10 minutes or so. I replaced the file quickly, so most others won't hear that. It worries that you said the file contains 45.3 twice? What's that mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
If Kc was going to mysteriously kill her off/keep the story arc loose, he wouldn't of asked her to do JUST ONE LINE for season 4. Personally, that would be odd to do one line, that's pretty recent in the current story, and then randomly cut her out....Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Well to be fair to B&R, they didn't keep it running 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jannit
They did also set up a pretty nice firehouse, complete with big-screen, video games, good food stores, rabbits, fuel, water, Dog the goat, and other luxuries to kick back and relax and turn the bloodlust off at the end of the day.
The hunt was rekindled after they got more Intel from CJ, and then captured Tardust from it. Otherwise, they would probably be going back to the firehouse. (or maybe the colony to Lizzy's funeral, now that i give it a think...)
But since they have captured Tardust, they rekindled the passion for the hunt of the remaining 3 (supposedly, if you believe the worm) Mallers remaining.
I have to agree that Riley looks to be falling to Scratch's level with the torture idea. If they carry it out, will she still be the same person after, or just become another Scratch?
Also, with Skittles thinking Ink will know he helped the Colony, i'm thinking it's just paranoia from Ink attacking Dunbar. But how knows, maybe it goes deeper then that....
Like the cracks in Inglewood! *insert dramatic music*
About the only thing I have to add for this
, lets consider just how much good scratches torture tactics did with Burt. Nada, zip,zero....granted, burts constitution is most likely much stronger than tardusts, but....if you really read much into this sort of thing, its the psychological torture that has considerable more effects than simply threatening to cut off a finger, then cut it off, then threaten to do it again. If tar says nothing after the first beating,(or cut, or loss of an appendage) then it was all for naught...hes saying nothing. And at that point, well....their possibly helpful little weasel is just dead weight. The ends do not justify the means in my eyes.
^ ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
I'll just leave this here as it pretty much articulates my feelings on the subject.
*Warning, Quentin Tarantino levels of language ahead!*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZrfcnU1FZg
It's Cinco de Mayo, and not a single word from Vic? For shame.....Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
The file length is 44 minutes and 10 seconds. When I listened to it the first time I thought Winamp was just playing it over Again, but the file has two of the same episode in it instead of just one... I only realised this because a friend of me pointed it out. The episode starts Again at 22:05, more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Yeah, you guys are right, Tardust is a really nice guy and doesn't deserve to be treated this way.
*VOMIT* Sorry, reflex.
Soooooooooo.....
how do you vomit when your dead? That's a trick I haven't learned yet.:nik: and I've been dead a lot longer. :nik:
Sorry for the Delay. Figured with having today off I would listen earlier, but kids had other ideas.
Skittles: Still think he knows/knew more than he has shown. He knew that as long as he was alone Ink would leave him alone. That if he helped, Ink would come after him. We have 2 chapters left to wrap up the show, shed light on Ink, and finish up with Scratch. I still believe that Skittles knows something. Just so random to have a guy that lets in the main bad guy and then ends up to be invisible to Zeds. If that is all it turns out to be than I vote to change his name to McGuffin.
Riely: This does shock me. I have felt that the Z-Day has healed some and broken others. Riely is one that is broken. Puck even foreshadowed it at Irwin when he told Michael. "She will be the death of you". She doesn't know how to handle herself emotionally. When Z-Day started she buried her feelings in booze. This Scratch thing was the only thing keeping her going. People are worried that she is turning into Scratch 2.0, but I say she has been for a very very long time. Both are driven by something beyond all reason. Riely will do anything to get Scratch. Because that is the only thing that get her up in the morning. The booze kept her so drunk she didn't have to deal with these feelings. Sober she has to look at the ugly world and deal with it. She simply can't.
Tardust: Still think he is telling the truth. Not saying he doesn't deserve death. He does. Rape is a tough thing to over look. I don't think he is a plant. For Scratch to plan this means that she can see the future. CJ has some random place to look that Burt look into. Out of all the places she chooses this one to drop Tar off she does this one? She just knows that they would be looking that day and that time? Just seems odd. He serves as the catalyst to turn Riely into Evil Rielly. The sacrifice to turn Riely into a monster.
