Chapter 43-3: The Darkness Ahead

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I think Michael will be at fault if he changes. His gun-ho style is putting Vic and Datu in danger because he being blinded by idea ending this. He like Scratch right now.

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I'm pretty confident Datu is going to change eventually, or Michael will fulfill his promise before that happens. Either way, Datu is not long for the WA world.

But, that being said, this was a very hastily made decision. I was 100% against it listing to the episode, but as time went on, I understood why it went down when it did.

Datu would not be around much longer.
Everyone is moving and packing, if they needed support, it better be now.
It was only supposed to be a quick in and out, without ever going into the church.
And he did alert CJ before going.


If they had not gone into the church, they would have not gotten trapped, but then again, they would have never found the hole.

Amor fati

I dont think enough time has lapsed since they started noticing the decreasing zombie hordes to now for them to dig a massive tunnel system maybe just short tunnels scattered around that all connect to a massive under ground cavern where I'm from there's the Haynesville shell its a huge deposit of nature gas underground and this kinda seems similar

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Originally Posted by aids

I dont think enough time has lapsed since they started noticing the decreasing zombie hordes to now for them to dig a massive tunnel system maybe just short tunnels scattered around that all connect to a massive under ground cavern where I'm from there's the Haynesville shell its a huge deposit of nature gas underground and this kinda seems similar

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Here another question, wouldn't they lose alot zombies due to earthquake? And if they accident dig near Englewood won't the gas enter said tunnels?

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Originally Posted by Storm

I have a feeling that Scratch might somehow have heard Tanya's last message...
Other than that... Quite funny to have the entrance to an underground zombie nest in a church... Straight into hell our heroes went!
I must say that I was a bit disappointed with this episode though, it's starting to be a bit too weird for me, but well... Since Kc said he's not much for magic (or did I dream that?) I guess there's going to be a good explanation for how the fox Datu can understand the symbols...

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I have faith in KC... I have faith in KC..... I have faith in KC...... Stupid Magic Insta-Language.......

Not going to lie. I am scared on a few levels.

The Cliff Hanger was amazing. The Tunnel System... Lizzy... going back to Cain..... Great storytelling. It was a great cliff hanger and such. I don't know how I feel about the Zebs being controlled by Symbols. It feels soooo Magicy and Supernatural (Not the TV series, but genre/style/ect). I was expecting it to be they see more colors. Like some animals do. Mantis Shrimp style. That Datu saw an address b/c he saw new colors or something. Nope. Freaking Magic Language given to you via a bite. He even knows one means STOP. Explains that Ink is controlling them via his tat's though. So there is that. It's an answer.

I have faith that KC will not go all Lost on us though.

And also Matugun underground is a great idea, hoping for tight corners since the impact will go through several zombies a time.

(Clarence Royce)Sh********************t(/Clarence Royce)
What an episode.
Oh, and nice try, KC, but I still hate CJ. :P

Great questions maybe all the gas has escaped by now its almost been a year since it all started and as for them loosing numbers to an earthquake idek lol underground could still be safer than above ground to them they want to survive just like the humans

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Originally Posted by clem131

(Clarence Royce)Sh********************t(/Clarence Royce)
What an episode.
Oh, and nice try, KC, I still hate CJ. :P

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Careful, you might get on Tanya's bad side, talking about CJ like. And as Saul found out, she ain't got no time for nonsense.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

And also Matugun underground is a great idea, hoping for tight corners since the impact will go through several zombies a time.

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Blocking the pathways at least temporarily with zombie bodies.

Ok.. I was right. address was to the Church.. also on the Symbols.. A twofer..
This episode was intense. Great Cliff Hanger. Now I will be doing more then twittling my thumbs waiting on the next.. Goto listen again at home.. I missed somethings I know.. Too noisy at work. Left my headphones home for my phone.

Lizzie maybe fixing to loose the baby.. Cain I think is a very bad Idea..

Michael Narrated the whole time with them so we know he makes it out.. I hope they all make it out. But I have a funny feeling they will be short one or two.

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Originally Posted by aids

Great questions maybe all the gas has escaped by now its almost been a year since it all started and as for them loosing numbers to an earthquake idek lol underground could still be safer than above ground to them they want to survive just like the humans

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I don't know because of the higher risk of caving in and such. I can't see the zombies wear hardhats and singing "Everything is awesome" as they build complex and stable tunnels.

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

Ok.. I was right. address was to the Church.. also on the Symbols.. A twofer..
This episode was intense. Great Cliff Hanger. Now I will be doing more then twittling my thumbs waiting on the next.. Goto listen again at home.. I missed somethings I know.. Too noisy at work. Left my headphones home for my phone.

Lizzie maybe fixing to loose the baby.. Cain I think is a very bad Idea..

Michael Narrated the whole time with them so we know he makes it out.. I hope they all make it out. But I have a funny feeling they will be short one or two.

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Oh god.... I CANNOT LOSE VIKTOR! Datu's dead either way, but not Viktor.......please....

The idea of Datu taking a backseat to his own mind makes me think "Puppet Master" or Goa'uld of Stargate SG-1.

Listening to Michael drive the gun truck off road gave me Halo flashbacks. Lol. I was always trying to take the warthog where it was not supposed to go. Even trying exploits with grenades and such to blow it past the typical pathing barriers.

When I heard Michael indicating he was just going to reconoiter the address, I heard Burt sarcastically say "Sure, sure..."

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I don't know because of the higher risk of caving in and such. I can't see the zombies wear hardhats and singing "Everything is awesome" as they build complex and stable tunnels.

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This made me laugh.

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Originally Posted by Verse

I have faith in KC... I have faith in KC..... I have faith in KC...... Stupid Magic Insta-Language.......

Not going to lie. I am scared on a few levels.
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I have faith that KC will not go all Lost on us though.

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It ain't "magic". Some people's theories are close, and some are way off. You'll just have to wait for this one...

Now i understand the thumbnail for the chapter.....the hole in the wall is actually the hole in the ground...

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Now i understand the thumbnail for the chapter.....the hole in the wall is actually the hole in the ground...

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And the literal Darkness... Ben (our artist) did a great job of not making it obvious with the art. I don't think anyone predicted it... or if they did it was very few.

BRING ON THE DRAGONS!

Wait... wrong story.

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Originally Posted by Kc

This made me laugh.

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Ah, good. After I post this I re-read it and thought to myself, 'Oh no, I accidentally made a reference to a musical ep, again.'


And at distant, I could actual hear a table being flip.

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Originally Posted by Kc

This made me laugh.



It ain't "magic". Some people's theories are close, and some are way off. You'll just have to wait for this one...

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Jeepers, you're putting me on edge with the anticipation of all the answers we'll be getting....

If you guys will just excuse me..........

I'm going to be over here with my rope and harness gear........ cause all these cliffhangers are just outta control...............

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Originally Posted by Kc

This made me laugh.



It ain't "magic". Some people's theories are close, and some are way off. You'll just have to wait for this one...

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I got faith. So far everything has turned out awesome. Can't wait to see what it is.

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Originally Posted by Gnex

If you guys will just excuse me..........

I'm going to be over here with my rope and harness gear........ cause all these cliffhangers are just outta control...............

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You're gonna need a lot more rope... we still have five more chapters. I love to tease.

And with that... I'll vanish back into the lurkers.

So the zombie symbols are complex enough to relay a street name and street number (not just a general location) that can be directly correlated to english, and they are conveyed as part of the zombie infection (or demonic possession or whatever it is). A little bit out there, but that is absolutely fine with me considering the awesome direction that the story lines just headed and the related drama. Really good episode! Business is about to pick-up.

For whoever asked what's going on with Lizzie:

It sounds like Lizzie has pre-eclampsia, which presents with high blood pressure, among other symptoms. One of the very serious consequences is progression to eclampsia which includes seizures, which are obviously bad for the mom and the fetus. Pre-eclampsia is currently thought to be due to the mom's blood vessels that go to the placenta not changing correctly to allow for the pregnancy, and can put the baby at risk of not receiving enough O2 and nutrients (leading to the heart rate slowing).

Tanya is exactly right that the baby needs to be delivered now. She's far enough along in the pregnancy that the baby should make it, especially if they can find some steroids to help the baby's lungs mature, and they don't get held up too long before surgery. You can hold off some of the bad effects by giving magnesium to the mom, but it sounds like Lizzie's blood pressure may be high enough that it won't help at this point.

Either that, or KC has some weird zombie baby thing going on, and then I have no idea what's up.

...And my hair is still on end from listening to that episode. It's going to be a looong two weeks.

Michael and/or Victor will live through the tunnel ordeal. we have Michael's entry to prove it!

Datu's ability to read the symbols and feel like he's losing control felt very natural in the story progression. i didn't cringe or wrinkle my nose at the concept of something VERY odd with him. of all the things that has happened since the run-in with the first runner sighting at the convoy ambush... man, this is so deep and intense.

Lizzy might die. :(
i just canNOT see the baby dying.
that entire last scene hit close to home too. very intense and VERY well written.
if this story doesn't get picked up by TV/Movie studios, i dont' know what will.

I will repost this here, because it came to me in the second half of the week and many may have missed it...

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

:tinfoil: time...

So, this big one walking to the hospital. It was not mentioned that he looked starved. He was described as "bark" covered, not Bone. Puck did not include tattoos in his description. Seems to me, this is not part of the same crowd as the ones in the Jail. Why would it be driven to go to the hospital? I have a slim lead. We were given several names from Ink's trial info. Austin McKibbon, Cohen and Nick something or other. We got info on the first two, we found Cohen's cell and got a name for arrow head.

So, Nick, Hmmm... It is interesting to note that he was part of the criminal psychiatric department. Where was that located? Say it with me now, Cain memorial hospital! Right where we saw this one headed.

The other interesting twist of all the possible baby names that Lizzy could choose, it was Nicholas. It gets curiouser when we remember that she went into psychology for her father...

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Interesting theory, but we could only prove it if Lizzy saw this one, which might not ever happen....

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I just hope Tanya does not forget to grab a generator like Angel forgot the key when Lizzy had her first emergency...

Michael and Victor sure are trigger happy with that Syringe......

Jeez guys..... Its Datu..... and he is going to be fine....... calm down with the Grab the Syringe mess!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Michael and Victor sure are trigger happy with that Syringe......

Jeez guys..... Its Datu..... and he is going to be fine....... calm down with the Grab the Syringe mess!!!!!

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Yea, it went from, Datu I can't that for you.

Datu: *sneeze*
Michael: Vic get the syringe! He's turning !!!!

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

I just hope Tanya does not forget to grab a generator like Angel forgot the key when Lizzy had her first emergency...

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Who would of thought they'd be having the baby at the hospital..... Generator, screaming lady, screaming baby...too much noise, i don't like where this is going....

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Who would of thought they'd be having the baby at the hospital..... Generator, screaming lady, screaming baby...too much noise, i don't like where this is going....

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And of course lots of sweat.

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Who would of thought they'd be having the baby at the hospital..... Generator, screaming lady, screaming baby...too much noise, i don't like where this is going....

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Just remember Behemoth don't play well with other. He could turn out to be a blessing then a curse. We know the number ones are the only one with any intelligences. If he alone you have a pretty good guard. The screaming maybe one of few hurdles they need jump. But I think those can be contain within a hospital room.

Firstly, great episode.

second, TOOT!

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Who would of thought they'd be having the baby at the hospital..... Generator, screaming lady, screaming baby...too much noise, i don't like where this is going....

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Maybe Ink Steals the Baby..

Oh crud, CJ left, groups are moving, Micheal left and Tanya is leaving and left a vm at the colony. Guess who going to sneak into the colony and get that message??

So, Michael and Vic are in, and little Henry is on his way out.

BTW, I wonder if chapter 43 underwent a title change:

Here are my candidates:

We're alive into darkness
Residential evil
In & Out

And last but not least:

SCRATCH WILL BE BACK IN CHAPTER 44.

Just to echo a few things that have already been said...

First off, great episode! I really, really liked this one. So many things seem to be clicking into place and we're getting set up for some very interesting times ahead. Loved it!

Secondly, Grognaurd and UndeadSweeper have already discussed the lurking behemoth at Cain and I really like Grognaurd's idea of the big one being Lizzy's father. If it's as Datu says and the human side of you is still aware while the zombie side is in control, having Lizzy's bulked out behemoth of a dad around during childbirth could be the best possible scenario if he becomes their own personal watchdog. That'd really be the only way to counter all that noise from the generator, wouldn't it? Plus, if he has been lurking around Cain long enough, it's possible that he has driven other Zed's out of the area.

I do like the idea of Scratch showing up post-delivery and stealing away the baby. With her oddly maternal fixation on Lizzy (the fixation is likely on the baby and Lizzy benefited just by being the delivery mechanism) it would make sense for her to come if she heard the broadcast about Cain. Not that I want Saul and Lizzy to lose their baby but it does make for an interesting twist from a story telling perspective.

The Behemoth are an interesting wild card. They killed the three soldiers from Denver, but not Puck from Ft. Irwin. Was this threat analysis? Pretty damn smart that they killed the person with the big gun. Go outside, instead of killing Puck, it wrecks the gun truck. Again, threat-based? However, the truck was from Dunbar and might have smelled like Saul and Victor.

But, what is their purpose? They are war-machines, but paraphrasing President Roslin from Battlestar Galactica, in the pilot episode, the war is over, we lost...

Why does Ink or someone else feel the need to make these things? I also said that maybe the symbols were part of intelligence test. One cell was not broken into and one of the symbols Datu translates as don't go there. I wonder if we are given the specifics with this one on the door that remained intact.

I guess that Michael will break the fourth wall and ask: "Oh, Kc, why did you give my character this abyssmal keen sense of bad timing?"
Someone is most probably going to die next time.

Love you KC for referencing the Thomas bros guides. Sad to say they've become the old timers gps. Too bad they aren't in print anymore.

Great episode, burning question I have now is are the zombies actually zombies or mind controlled with the original people taking a back seat to their own bodies?

Could Datu hear them in his mind or with his ears?

Cain Hospital Round Two?