Who's The Rat?

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Jan 30th, 2011, 03:27 PM
StepLaugh

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Originally Posted by Spud

i love where this thread is going
all your theories just draw me in more

I agree. I was Kalani, then kelly, and now I have no idea. This is tough.
Jan 30th, 2011, 03:34 PM
HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Step,

The best reason she could be the rat is...... She a LAWYER!
What do you think her Moral Compass is like?
Jan 30th, 2011, 03:34 PM
StepLaugh

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Step,

The best reason she could be the rat is...... She a LAWYER!
What do you think her Moral Compass is like?

She might have been a lawyer for one of the Mallers too!
Jan 30th, 2011, 04:50 PM
HaveCrowBarWillTravel

No, what i'm saying is that Lawyers and Politicians tend to have a skewed Moral Compass. Therefore, they can't be trusted to do anything but lookout for their own best interests or look out for other's interests when it fits there own or they think they know better than you or I (which is normally the case). So, she'd cut a deal for "their own good."
Jan 30th, 2011, 05:08 PM
RamblinMike

Woo hoo, Kelly has almost caught up with Kalani!

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Originally Posted by StepLaugh

She might have been a lawyer for one of the Mallers too!

Oh, snap, I hadn't thought of that. Good call and I bet it's true!
Jan 30th, 2011, 07:15 PM
mascaria

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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

It was Saul, Dammit!

It most certainly was not!
Jan 30th, 2011, 09:25 PM
Hollomandious

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Originally Posted by StepLaugh

I agree. I was Kalani, then kelly, and now I have no idea. This is tough.

could always be no one that matters. or, maybe another member of the tower who is still there and may become more prominent later?

lets just blame paul so we can close the case?
Jan 31st, 2011, 11:39 AM
Adogg

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

I chose Datu.

For the longest time, I would swear by Kelly. She makes the most sense overall to me. But two things changed my mind: I relistened to The War chapter, and the person who first defends the Tower as a weaponless resident is Kelly. She is the first person to throw a couch over the balcony. She's trying to defend their home. I also keyed on Jim Gleason's reasons why Datu survived (thematically) in the stadium as stated on the We're Not Dead podcast. Datu has a never say die attitude and it serves him well. He survives because he has faith that he will. Samantha's fatalist approach to her situation lends to her destruction.

Since the encounter at the Stadium, Datu has adopted the fatalist stance (and become an insufferable annoyance). He's also got severe survivors guilt. When he returned to the Tower, he was crushed and couldn't care less. And he's the only one we never heard at the party.

Can't you just see him talking to the Mallers on the radio, depressed and choking up wanting them to come in and end his misery? He can hear the merriment of the party and it just grinds on his last nerve. Why can't he and Samantha be up there having fun? Then he gets more pissed that they aren't coming in to kill him fast enough so he fires off the first rounds to make them come faster.

So call me/it crazy, but I call Datu trying commit suicide by Maller.

Very well thought out answer. I can see something like that but still feel it is Kelly. Now i'm going to have to relisten to episode and account for where everyone is. However, I was under the impression that the traitor gave out information earlier and not just at that point. I mean the Mallers took a risk going there and had to prepare. Therefore, party-time activity probably does not equal traitor activity. And wasnt this the time that Kelly started drinking?

I'm still in the behavior-change-in-Kelly-equals-traitor camp for now....
Jan 31st, 2011, 12:12 PM
Brokenzipper

But bill had the key for the ammo room, a firearm to take the shot and pushed allot of drinks on everyone.

Also thought that Kelly might have been the lawyer for a maller, but disregarded because they were in jail, she lost, or won(as a prosecutor) and the mallers would hate her.
Jan 31st, 2011, 12:43 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Adogg

Very well thought out answer. I can see something like that but still feel it is Kelly. Now i'm going to have to relisten to episode and account for where everyone is. However, I was under the impression that the traitor gave out information earlier and not just at that point. I mean the Mallers took a risk going there and had to prepare. Therefore, party-time activity probably does not equal traitor activity. And wasnt this the time that Kelly started drinking?

I'm still in the behavior-change-in-Kelly-equals-traitor camp for now....

There was a full day between the return from the arena and the party. The traitor didn't have to do what they did during the party. The could have betrayed the tower in installments. Datu is the only main cast character not heard from during the war. I think the revelations from 18-2 will set things in motion to reveal Datu's betrayal.

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Originally Posted by Brokenzipper

But bill had the key for the ammo room, a firearm to take the shot and pushed allot of drinks on everyone.

Bill had a shotgun. The shots that started the war were from a pistol.
Jan 31st, 2011, 01:20 PM
StepLaugh

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Originally Posted by Hollomandious

could always be no one that matters. or, maybe another member of the tower who is still there and may become more prominent later?

lets just blame paul so we can close the case?

HAHA Paul...he was such a nice guy.
Feb 1st, 2011, 12:24 AM
hthu

It was Michael. He must have contacted the mallers during his MIA period, perhaps in an effort to get out. That's how they knew he was injured. It's the most unlikely choice, but that's why it's gotta be it. The poll does not include this option, so I picked Kelly just because she's the next one of my list of possible "suspects."
Feb 1st, 2011, 12:32 AM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by hthu

It was Michael. He must have contacted the mallers during his MIA period, perhaps in an effort to get out. That's how they knew he was injured. It's the most unlikely choice, but that's why it's gotta be it. The poll does not include this option, so I picked Kelly just because she's the next one of my list of possible "suspects."

Michael doesn't lie well. Every time he attempts to lie, whom ever he lied to sees through it almost immediately. Besides, when he was about to call the Mallers there was genuine shock in his voice when he realized what channel the radio was set to 18.
Feb 1st, 2011, 01:36 AM
hthu

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Michael doesn't lie well. Every time he attempts to lie, whom ever he lied to sees through it almost immediately. Besides, when he was about to call the Mallers there was genuine shock in his voice when he realized what channel the radio was set to 18.

You are right. After reading some of the other comments, Datu is rising quickly to the top in my list of suspects. I really hope it wasn't him; he is/was such a nice guy. Really kind hope it was just Bill or Kelly or Kalani. But Datu fits...
Feb 1st, 2011, 08:19 AM
HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Here's the other point, Mike didn't have access to the radio while he was MIA. Guess who did?!!
Feb 1st, 2011, 06:43 PM
Onslaught

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Here's the other point, Mike didn't have access to the radio while he was MIA. Guess who did?!!

Are you trying to say Tommy was the one who called the Mallers? I highly doubt that. They destroyed everything he made to help the tower stay safe. I think it could have been Bill, because right before he died he said he was sorry, they never explained what he was sorry for. Not only that but Bill was the one who also stole all of the weapons and ammo. He could have also called the mallers when he was stealing the supplies. There was what a one or two day difference between the break-in and the party right?
Feb 1st, 2011, 08:26 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

Are you trying to say Tommy was the one who called the Mallers? I highly doubt that. They destroyed everything he made to help the tower stay safe. I think it could have been Bill, because right before he died he said he was sorry, they never explained what he was sorry for. Not only that but Bill was the one who also stole all of the weapons and ammo.

in my opinion, you've answered your own query. Bill could have been apologizing for stealing the weapons and ammo. Besides, in order to discover who the traitor is they kind of need to be alive. Bill doesn't seem like the type to have written down a master plan and left it in a drawer to be discovered later.

Another thing that has been bugging me (now that we've brought up Tommy), is how did the person betray the Tower without alerting the guard on duty? By the way, this question is slightly self serving and leads directly to my accusation of Datu who is good with simple electronics and could have bogarted a radio some how and hooked it up else where in the building to call the Mallers without having to do it from the security office.
Feb 1st, 2011, 11:04 PM
Wicked Sid

Maybe it was the guy who was shot by a guard in one of the early episodes, that could be why he was leaving in the middle of the night or was he coming back? I can't recall that or his name.
Feb 1st, 2011, 11:32 PM
Ra1th

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

in my opinion, you've answered your own query. Bill could have been apologizing for stealing the weapons and ammo. Besides, in order to discover who the traitor is they kind of need to be alive. Bill doesn't seem like the type to have written down a master plan and left it in a drawer to be discovered later.

Another thing that has been bugging me (now that we've brought up Tommy), is how did the person betray the Tower without alerting the guard on duty? By the way, this question is slightly self serving and leads directly to my accusation of Datu who is good with simple electronics and could have bogarted a radio some how and hooked it up else where in the building to call the Mallers without having to do it from the security office.

i love the idea of datu being the traiter (screw that guy) but even if he did wire up his own radio and hook it up somewhere else in teh building, at one point in time that day, the traiter was in the lookout room on guard duty, because the main radio was set to channel 18. and the explanations is fairly simple, one of the ppl who was on guard duty that day was responsible. everyone knew about the party the day before so all this guy had to do was take a guard duty shift and call into the mallers. it cannot be tommy and it cannot be Bill just because storywise there is no point in having a dead guy be the traitor.
Feb 1st, 2011, 11:43 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

Maybe it was the guy who was shot by a guard in one of the early episodes, that could be why he was leaving in the middle of the night or was he coming back? I can't recall that or his name.

I can't even begin to understand what you're talking about....

The only tower guard I know of that was shot was that dude that tried to escape after burt took over. Think his name was Simon. But he was killed by a zombie and tried to shoot it.

The voodoo be confused...:-p
Feb 2nd, 2011, 12:24 AM
Wicked Sid

Mine was that of a vague description, I had no idea of the circumstances nor of the parties involved. I took a shot in the dark at a theory that had hit my mind whilst reading. But, alas, even after searching for it, I had no luck in finding it. Maybe others will be able to elaborate.
Feb 2nd, 2011, 06:16 AM
StepLaugh

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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

Maybe it was the guy who was shot by a guard in one of the early episodes, that could be why he was leaving in the middle of the night or was he coming back? I can't recall that or his name.

It can't be someone early, or how would they know about Micheal's arm?
Feb 2nd, 2011, 08:38 AM
HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Here's another point. Why LEAVE the dial at 18 if you're trying to be sneaky? Seems dumb to me! You'd reset the channel after using it.
Bill owned the building correct? He was a selfish bastard and didn't want anyone else there in the first place. Ain't no way in hell he'd invite MORE people in. Besides, he stayed pretty much to himself all locked behind his apartment door. He said "i'm sorry simply because he took all that stuff"
Feb 2nd, 2011, 08:44 AM
Onslaught

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

because the main radio was set to channel 18.

The main radio was set to channel 18, which means that the person who contacted the Mallers had A. either contacted them before B. was good at guessing or C. has a connection to the Mallers in some shape or form.
Feb 3rd, 2011, 08:34 AM
HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Whoever it was, they were in contact regularly because the mallers had some great intel on the Tower. Intel that had been gathered over time and kept up to date.
Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:26 PM
StepLaugh

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Whoever it was, they were in contact regularly because the mallers had some great intel on the Tower. Intel that had been gathered over time and kept up to date.

I totally agree. They told the mallers all about the important people too.
Feb 5th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Destiny

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Originally Posted by sdkmcqueen

I chose Kalani because he was the new guy. And for all we know he could have been a maller who was captured.

Plus he kind of disappeared when the fire started.
Feb 5th, 2011, 09:24 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Destiny

Plus he kind of disappeared when the fire started.

No more than anyone else who was missing at the time. You don't hear from Datu, there's a long period of time you don't hear from Kelly. Kalani isn't the only one missing.
Feb 5th, 2011, 09:53 PM
Destiny

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

No more than anyone else who was missing at the time. You don't hear from Datu, there's a long period of time you don't hear from Kelly. Kalani isn't the only one missing.

You don't hear from Kalani until the next day though. You heard from Datu and Kelly towards the end when they were fighting the fire.
Feb 5th, 2011, 10:08 PM
Wicked Sid

No one voted for Lizzy?

It was Lizzy, Dammit!
Feb 5th, 2011, 10:30 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Destiny

You don't hear from Kalani until the next day though. You heard from Datu and Kelly towards the end when they were fighting the fire.

Relisten to Chapter 13 Part 1. Time Stamp 9:40. Kalani is on the roof with the rest of the Tower survivors. Before the fire is out. Before they even have the plan to take out the fire.
Feb 5th, 2011, 10:33 PM
Destiny

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Relisten to Chapter 13 Part 1. Time Stamp 9:40. Kalani is on the roof with the rest of the Tower survivors. Before the fire is out. Before they even have the plan to take out the fire.

Oh. Well wasn't the shooter in a different building and not in the Tower? Or was he/she (or it? if it was one of the smart zombies) just in a different room?
Feb 5th, 2011, 10:58 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Destiny

Oh. Well wasn't the shooter in a different building and not in the Tower? Or was he/she (or it? if it was one of the smart zombies) just in a different room?

Shots came from the third floor. Scratch calls out "3rd floor second window from the left" but we don't know who that room belongs.

I suppose the shots could be coming from another building but if that's the case the Mallers would have destroyed that other building. If they were looking to start the war on their own, they potentially could have. No one in the Tower had eyes on the street anymore, so the Mallers could have fired the first shots in the air and claimed it was the Tower. But the response by Durai and Scratch to the shots sounded genuine. They were surprised by the shots.
Feb 6th, 2011, 04:15 PM
Onslaught

Who the hell thought it was Burt? The mallers stole his guns, why would he help them take over the tower?
Feb 6th, 2011, 04:17 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

Who the hell thought it was Burt? The mallers stole his guns, why would he help them take over the tower?

If you click on the poll, it will tell you who voted for whom.
Feb 6th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Onslaught

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

If you click on the poll, it will tell you who voted for whom.

Oh okay so now I can see who I'm supposed to be going after. Just kidding
Feb 6th, 2011, 10:09 PM
nikvoodoo

I just wish people were allowed to change their vote to reflect the arguments being presented. I got my Datu argument in after a majority of the forum had already voted and I've only been able to convince mascaria and I had an awesome argument damnit!
Feb 7th, 2011, 01:28 AM
Ra1th

Hey Wicked Sid, why do u think it's saul?
Feb 7th, 2011, 02:46 AM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Germsserears

Goddamn Spam, Sorry Voodoo.

Anybody remember Strong Bad? "What is this? Did the quadradic formula explode? I see a [perfect world] in there, but its being eaten....by some linux...."

[added to make it work for our purposes here]
Feb 7th, 2011, 08:47 AM
mascaria

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

I just wish people were allowed to change their vote to reflect the arguments being presented. I got my Datu argument in after a majority of the forum had already voted and I've only been able to convince mascaria and I had an awesome argument damnit!

I'm still mad that you convinced me :(

I liked Datu damnit!

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