Did quick research here on Keratin 18. It is associated with fibrosis tissue and scar tissue, such as might be found when someone has liver cirrhosis. It will greatly thicken and toughen the tissue.
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Did quick research here on Keratin 18. It is associated with fibrosis tissue and scar tissue, such as might be found when someone has liver cirrhosis. It will greatly thicken and toughen the tissue.
Teaches me for attempting to post right before going into meeting and it fail..
1st I think I'm going to predict that Saul's levels are actually dropping.
2nd my post that I lost was about the bottles. Micheal tried to read it and he believes it was "Fo...." I'm thinking it is actually "Fe..." Such as FeSO4. Fe is the element Iron. Iron is important to your health, something I don't recall and COGNITIVE(sp?) Function.
Perhaps a shot of Iron helps them retain their smarts or even improve them after they were changed.
Another thing I found was (no idea if it is relevant) K18 was that it was associated with the color red in a couple articles that were well above my head. Iron is also important for your red blood cells (saw that somewhere too).
And another article I found talked about K18 which I think Could be relivent, though it too was over my head, was K18 being tied to liver disfunction. What happens when you have a bad liver? The whites of your eyes turn yellow. Perhaps the heightened K18 effects your liver in a way that causes the eyes to go cloudy.
Nice findQuote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Going out on a limb, but are the zombies eat the living to regain their iron? I think you have something here. Maybe Randy was on a mission to get TOWM more iron. So the zombie are slowing dying from the increase in K18 and need iron to keep the count down.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
Does this sound far-fetched?
It's the behavioral change that has me the most intrigued. Good call about that being one of the first changes. The chloroform factor jumps out, as it was mentioned one of the soldiers. Even though Tanya says that it doesn't matter, it wasn't what she was looking for. There was also concern that Saul would turn while he was unconscious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Perhaps this could explain the idea behind slow turners. If the physical changes take place slower than the mental changes then how might that affect the contagious nature of the disease? When Tonya tests the blood at time intervals the K-18 levels where elevating and peaked at around 1300, at which point she declares Wendy to have turned. Would her blood have been more contagious with each increase K18 level? If so, and Tanya was exposed to someone who was not fully turned then perhaps she did not get enough exposure to a fast turning. As for Saul, this case is not so similar. He seems to have been exposed after Tommy had turned (Which seems to have taken a long time). This isn't a new idea but the new evidence may support it better.
But they weren't the only ones to take time to turn. The slow turner (James?), the man at check point #2 at Fort Irwin (he was exposed, stood in the examination queue and made it all of the way to the medical tent before turning), and Tommy (His behavior started to change slightly towards hostility before completely freaking out.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Amy and medical-tent-guy were both attacked by either an Inkling or an Inklette (n-th generation Inkling).
I can't even begin to guess this one. Other than there seems to be and open-ended number of factors that could influence turning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
First things first.... I LOVED this episode. Even though I feel like I've been whipsawed around a county fair ride, it was awesome.
Tanya's data and possible findings - this is how I tend to think when solving problems: what do i know about what is going on and work back from there like following a spotty trail. I was wondering why she was being so circumspect about sharing the info, then....
Tanya and Saul's K18 Keratin levels - I'm a little leery of jumping on the wagon that the two of them have started to turn because they have levels in the low-mid 300's after hearing "normal" is near 200. Normal for some people could be in the 300's, so it's not proof that they are slow turners or "stopped" turners. Either way, the scene between Saul and Tanya was one of the best of the entire show to date. I like that she had a personal reason to want to keep the info from everyone else.
Tanya will be a more permanent resident of Dunbar - I see/predict and exodus of people from the Colony. As I said about last episode, Pegs, Datu, and Hope (maybe Glenn counts too) are the only ones still there at the time of this episodes ending. And with the fuel and ammo shortage and regular absence of the military guys... I see bad things happening at the Colony. And soon...
Michael and Pegs - awwwwww, how sweet. And we learn that Michael and Pegs both see CJ as overbearing and possibly hard to work with. This is even emphasized by....
Datu the Resourceful, Slayer of Little Ones, Royal Engineer - He and Glenn chime in a good it about the "CJ Oppression". That is, when they aren't talking about what will become the weapon that levels the playing field with the Little Ones. Call it a Mata-gun or call it LO-Mofo-gun. It sounds like it's pretty close to being a good replacement for .50 cal and minigun at taken down LOs. Man portable and multiple shots on target. Boom baby!
Back to Saul and Tanya for a moment. Like I mentioned before, this isn't proof that either of them is infected or turning. Tanya has only seen one real example of the elevated K18 levels in a turning individual (that we know of) and we don't know what sort of controls there are to test against because I'm assuming that neither of them knows what their K18 levels were before Z-day. But it brings up a few interesting items.
- IF Saul was infected and started turning, when did it happen? As someone else earlier in this thread pointed out there were multiple opportunities for Saul to catch the junk - In the hybrid, shot by Burt, at Ground Zero. If it was when he caught Burt's bullet or earlier, then that means he may have been in the turning process when he and Lizzie got their freak on (Bow chicka wow wow). What would that mean for Nicholas/Saul Jr/Adam Z?
- Who is going to find out about this and jump to the conclusion that Tanya wants to avoid? I think there is a good chance that this will come up because let's face it, as bad as most of the characters are at sharing info/intel, this is the kind of thing that someone will slip about and it'll spread like wild fire.
- Are there any natural causes for elevated levels of K18 Keratin in the blood stream? What about in creatures other than humans?
- Who will be going back to Ground Zero and how long will we have to wait for that to happen?
Well, that's as much as I can dig out of my brain after a single listen. Damn all this work from keeping me from digging in deeper right now.
Keep it going, y'all!
I loved the confirmation that Saul and Tanya have both have elevated Keratin 18 levels, but I don't think we can draw any conclusions yet. I'm not sure how often Tanya has been testing herself, but her baseline for Saul is fairly old. Hopefully she'll be able to run new tests soon, and we'll see that their K18 levels have remained steady or decrease. I'd love to know if their K18 level might have been naturally high, and if that might be a factor in their potential immunity.
I suspect that Saul and Lizzie conceived the baby before Saul was (possibly) infected, so Lizzie's normal K18 level might be a bit of a red herring.
Correlation =/= CausationQuote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
Post hoc, ergo propter hocQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Very good points, yet I feel that the as a work of fiction things might be as straight forward as they appear.
Good point Withdoctor, I probably should not have inluded Amy. She may have been scratched by an inkling. We know tht the inkling infections are consistently much longer than what we observed for biters 1.0. Wendy was most likely bitten by a 1.0 with the ease with which it was killed.
I expected a huge thread full of whoa! And wow! And holy sh...
Kc... You've done the near impossible.... You silenced the internet! ;)
That was one hell of an episode. I love the exploration of the testing. I feel for Saul and Tanya knowing what they know now. I...just wow. I was an emotional wreck leading up to my daughter being born. All of a sudden I was thinking about all the things I'd have to look forward to as a parent. I can't imagine learning what Saul may have just learned. And Tanya making the comparison to the tadpole and frog. I hate that piano music. So sad.
Good for Datu's Pneumatic gun. Wonder what he had to crank it to in order to out penetrate a bullet....
I like Michael trying harder to woo pegs. He's finally taking the note, but the ship has sailed I think. He's going to have to keep it up in order to get her back.
The only thing I hated about this episode... It's going to leave us with an epic cliffhanger next Monday and we're all going to come back here and scream.
Oh! And as for Victor screwing up: He did forget to mention Angel to anyone. That might be it.
SCBubba, Tommy may have turned more slowly than what we would expect from Riley's chapter 1 description, but he was also exposed to a special one. Not an inkling, but not a run of the mill biter, either. Ugh, so much to try and figure out.
Riley's Description is backed up by the hundred or so that attack the reserve base at Bell.
Fernando changes quickly in season 2.
Oh and who do they fear talking? Early in the show that role was filled by Kelly. They expressed that fear of her when she spoke to Kalani
I just pissed my pants and no one can do a thing about it.
Summamuh Bish!!! You bring up a good point. Tommy was bitten by the jumper! Man, there are so many variables involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Alright... I've been out for awhile. And damned busy, too. But here we go:
Overall Impressions
A very good, rich episode, with several great takes from many angles. Now, Kc has set thing up so that we can get action from:
1. The newly-expanded Colony
2. Mike and the Gung-Ho Army dudes on the hunt for Ink
3. Saul/Vic trying to pass Z-Gas at ground zero
4. Riley/Burt on the hunt for Scratch
5. Tanya/Kelly/Lizzy on the research front
Any of those offer some rich possibilities for story development, so I like how things have expanded from the rather confined atmosphere of the last 2 chapters...
Safe House 16?!??
Jesus! So CJ was able to orchestrate the creation of not only Dunbar itself, but 20-odd safe houses all around LA, all within a, what, 4 month period before they got overrrun? Yo, that's some serious planning..... SERIOUS planning...
Why the Behemoth's are Dying
I got nothin. Osiris? 7odd? Bueller???
340 K
So the concern is whether this means that Saul and Tanya are immune to the virus, or are in fact slow turners. I hope it's the former, but I credit KC on keeping us unbalanced as to the truth...
Don't Need Vic
Looks like Michael's snub of Vic's help sets us up for yet another Saul/Vic visit to ground zero. I'm all in!
C.J.'s Planning, pt. II
So.... video feeds from L.A.? Exansion 6 blocks south of the Colony? Heavy machinery??? Damn, CJ has really got these guys working....
Datu's "Mata-Gun"
This is the first time we have heard Datu's last name, I think. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am having a hard time visualizing just what Datu's pea-shooter exactly looks like. And how it exactly works, and what it fires, specifically.
Pegs-Michael, pt. II
Well, they still suck. Pegs is still bitchy, and Mike is still awkward.
Saul and Raydon Labs
Uh, doesn't Saul even listen to his own podcast??? If he did, he would quickly recognize that it was BURT who first mentioned Raydon labs, when he observed one of those "smart fuckers" trying to get on the rooftop where he, Saul, and Angel were camping out on the first night they met. They SMFUCKA had a Raydon Labs I.D. "The smarter you are in life, the smarter you are in death", quoth Burt. That doesn't bode well for Michael's crew heading over there for RECON...
Bce!!!!!
CJ has pushed a major expansion of the Colony. They've occupied, "an area of commercial buildings and homes to the south" that included another park, and access to a creekbed.
Here's a look at the Colony, both in its original and expanded forms:
Note that the expansion now puts the main gate in the middle of the Colony!
An Audio Question on Datu's Pea-Shooter:
Ok, I am curious how Kc got the sound for this device. I listened to it several times, but I can't think of how they recorded the sound for Datu's shooter. What was it? A baseball pitching machine? I can't place it at all... O_o
Damn! Fine point, Grog. Completely forgot that Tommy was done in by a jumper and not a Z 1.0.... That may be the only non-1.0 turn other than LOs. Could skew the results dramatically. Ugh, too many damned variables in this equation!Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Switching gears... Something I forgot to point out from the episode
- CJ's planning vs execution: she obviously had an awesome plan for securing and expanding the Colony. But when it came down to execution she falls short once again. Low on fuel and ammo with a much bigger perimeter to defend. And defense depends on both fuel and ammo. Again, it looked good on paper but left something to be desired on the field.
Now, this does work to set up the importance of Datu's Little One Slayer Mark I... :)
My thoughts:
1) I think Saul and Tanya are fine. I could be off base, but my guess/understanding is that fluids is what spreads the infection. Bites and Blood. Bite would mean odds are you get sick from the spit. Tanya said when you catch it, you catch it. It is what it is. If they are "Slowly Turning" as she put it, then I would think they can spread it. I find it hard to believe that Saul and Lizzy have not kissed or had sex sense they have gotten back together. I could be making a leap in my guess, but if fluids in a bite can turn you, Blood can turn you, scratches can turn you then sexual fluids can. Again, I may be taking a jump and they have not "Been Together" sense they have gotten together, but I doubt that. My guess there is something there, but not the fact they are slowly turning and have the illness. I think it is a ruse. We will get the ole "Ah!!! I had you thinking it was this.. but it was really that!" later on.
2)I think CJ's leadership is fine. Based on the tone of the people I would guess she is doing fine. It sounded more like they didn't want to have to deal with the Red Tape. Also based on what Jay said she may not be happy with progress. Not as in "I hate you guys", but more of a "You haven't found anything to justify me not using you for other stuff". No one likes to get yelled at. My guess if people know she will call them out. At the end of the day no one likes being told what to do. She is getting results though and the tone people use tends to lead me to believe that they are just doing the normal Water Cooler Bitching you see people do at work. Michael made it sound like she would let him do what he wanted... but he would have to listen to her and he didn't want to.
3) I think the Victor foul up isn't a big deal as well. Odds are he didn't listen and it almost got bad. It wasn't a "After what you did? After what you did? No Jackass.... away with you!" Seemed more like Michael would just rather deal with his soldiers. We know Victor and Michael are no BFF's. Odds are he was out with them... didn't listen... something got jacked up... and Michael just would rather have soldiers that he knows will listen and not back talk. If it was a major mess up they would have said more. Like "Not after your foul up. He is worried you will get another person killed" Victor didn't fight or argue to much. If it was to bad we would have gotten the "I told him I was sorry that XYZ happened! He can't hold that on me forever!". If we find out what it was (I think we will) it will turn out it wasn't to bad.
Saul's first exposure?..Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
Chapter 3, with Burt and Angel. A smart one from Raydon Labs. "Oh, he's got my leg. I am ok though." Or something like that. I will have to go back and listen.
I've always wondered about that. I've never been entirely convinced he wasn't scratched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Hmmm, exposure might be more than we think it is. Saul, Angel, and Michael got up close and personal on Z-Day several times with normals. How close is too close? Saul even used his knife to make sure a dead person/Z was all the way dead. Then he came upstairs with the knife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
So we're back to "When was Saul actually exposed to the thing that (might have) started turning him?"
Good call on the exposure back by the Raydon Labs smartie.
Nail gun I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Ahhh these episode threads: I leave for a little bit, and when I come back a bunch of new theories and whatnot have been added. It's very cool, but a bit difficult to wrap ones head around. I guess I'll pick one: keratin, because it's fascinating. A few things about it that I find important (and I know some of these have already been said, just my own take on them):
Keratin is the key structural material making up the outer layer of human skin. It is also the key structural component of hair and nails.
So this crazy increase of keratin levels seems to be mainly responsible for the claws of the Inklings, and the toughened skin of both behemoths and Inklings. That still leaves the teeth as an unknown variable.
The only other biological matter known to approximate the toughness of keratinized tissue is chitin. (Chitin being the material that composes the exoskeletons of many arthropods, and other things similar thereto)
Chitin is basically armor. The reason arthropods can only grow to small(ish) sizes on land is because their chitin-composed exoskeletons would be too heavy for movement on land. However, sea-dwelling arthropods can still grow to large sizes. So this keratinized tissue of the Inklings and behemoths is probably as tough or tougher than any chitin, approximating for size, thus: skin stops bullets. Also I think this explains easily enough them being able to rip open metal doors with naught but their fingernails: an ant, grown to enormous size, would almost certainly be able to bite through metal with its chitin-composed mandibles.
It was mentioned that there are diseases that can be caused by mutations in keratin genes.
This might have something to do with the reason the behemoths are dying. Since their genes have probably been mutated more than the average biter, perhaps it has given them some type of special disease. Most of the diseases I think primarily affect the skin.
Lastly, I think that possibly the extremeness of derivation from human form that a biter experiences might be contingent upon how much its genes (keratin and others) have been altered. Thus, behemoths have been altered more than just normal biters, and will have a much higher keratin count.
Anyway, hopefully I haven't just repeated what everyone else has said, and brought something new to the discussion, and also hopefully I haven't rambled too much, lol.
Sooo... Raydon Labs is a Pharmaceutical (research?) Company. That sure opens up a whole lot of possibilities.
First, I'll say that when I began my research into K18 Keratin, I was a little taken aback. On Google, on my phone, the first few results were medical research companies to buy it from. Hmmm. :tinfoil:
Luckily, as I mentioned, I started my search on my phone. As you know smartphones display info differently than on lap/desktops... The mobile wiki displayed some info by default and hid it on the desktop version. In the sidebar click "show" next to "Gene Ontology." This will give you the Molecular function, Cellular component and Biological process of K18. Under Biological process I found some promising leads, things that Keratin K18 is involved in:
- The apoptotic process. AKA: Programed cell death.
- Anatomical structure morphogenesis.
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The process in which anatomical structures are generated and organized. Morphogenesis pertains to the creation of form.
- Host-virus interaction.
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The process in which a virus effects a change in the structure or processes of its host organism.
To me, it seems that the massive amounts of K18 in the system is merely a byproduct of the metamorphosis into a "zombie." Tanya did say that the K18 levels drop off after turning. It also implies that the tumors in the Behemoth are also a side effect as well, probably as a result of excessive change. I would look for conditions or drug interactions or indications that can cause increased K18 levels.
Something I've wondered is, with the Family Conspiracy theory angle, NWO machinations, ect., could all of this actually be some sort of deranged "audition" for the "powers that be?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Evolution. Successful viruses are the ones that don't kill the host right away. They have a longer incubation time, giving the host more time to contact and infect more secondary hosts. Fast turners are seen to be an immediate threat and are terminated. Slow turners like Saul and Tanya might be would seem to be ineffectual. Therefore, the mid-range turner would seem to be a more effective means of spreading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Luckily, a guy I work with is studying biology. I'm going to run some of this past him. Speaking of, I work in the morning, so it's time to sign off.
This is interesting. But then, if this were to bring about a true advantage in spreading, the slow-turners would really have to spread it in a different way than normal biters. What I mean is: the normal sickness is spread through the bites, and introduction of blood into the mouth and open wounds. A slow-turner, unlike a normal biter, isn't going to be biting people and spraying blood at them, so how would they effectively spread the sickness? Or perhaps slow-turners already do spread it in different ways, and the people whom they infect will also only be slow-turners. However, Lizzy, being in open bodily fluid sharing with Saul, would be a prime candidate for this type of infection, but Tanya said her blood did not have the high keratin count... Which could mean that it isn't spread that way, or that she is just an incubator for the sickness who hasn't shown signs yet. I have a feeling I'm getting ahead of myself, so I'll stop. O_o But yes, very interesting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
Right, but ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
... there was no mentioning of Saul being wounded, scratched, bitten, harmed, etc. by the beast.
This thread better be 15 pages by tomorrow night or I have lost all fucking faith in you people.
Good ep, Kc. I have noticed that the eps are . . . quieter. I have to max my speakers to hear the dialogue this season. Not a complaint. Well . . . kind of a complaint. But not really.
Oh good, I thought I was the only one who found the volume really low. I have to turn up my headset all the way... At least if I want to pay attention to all the sound effects and audio quality... Which reminds me... In 391 when Michael says "just stay in the truck"... was that recorded with a different microphone/later in the process? It sounds like there's been removed just a bit too much background noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
...Sorry for getting off topic. :)
I've been thinking about the Colony expansion, and it has me worried about that location's safety.
For starters, they've, at least, doubled the size of the Colony. If they did this by expanding the walls to surround the new territory then they have a lot more wall to guard now, and the maximum distance between sections has grown enormously. There aren't any more Colonists to guard the walls, and the only heavy weapons they have are 3 gun trucks (2 x 50 cal, 1 x minigun) and Datu's "Mata Gun" prototype. That's a huge potential problem.
Add to that the un-even quality of the existing perimeter walls, much of which consists of the existing buildings with their windows and doors sealed. The only description I recall of the rest of the wall was of cars piled up to block the cross streets and parking lot entrances. As far as we know the only area that had a serious wall, with guard towers, was the main gate, which now seems to be in the middle of the Colony! There are ways the new area could have been enclosed so that the main gate stayed the same, but only by making the perimeter walls even longer and harder to defend.
Don't get me wrong, I think expanding the Colony was a great achievement, and a testament to amazing leadership by CJ. I just worry that they may have bitten off more than they can chew.
I would tend to agree with you, but with the greatly lessened amount of biters that are now being seen, it might not be as dangerous to have a bigger area with less security. Of course, if what I think holds true, that is, Ink has recalled lots of his soldiers to conserve force and build an army, then they've been lulled into a false sense of security, and the Colony will be quickly overrun when Ink finally decides to lead an attack. I agree that CJ has done something amazing, but she has bitten off more than she can chew in the past, and she seems a little too complacent about what's going on outside her walls. Michael is the one who actually realizes the danger.
A few more things to add about K18 - It is primarily associated with the structural integrity of epithelial cells in the body. Note that this is not just the skin (epithelium) but includes linings of cavities of the body, muscle, connective tissue and nervous tissue.
So the rapid increase in all of these tissues will be associated with an increase of K18 need throughout the body to support the rapid growth.
Research also suggests that keratins are involved in signalling pathways that are involved in regulating cell death, cell growth, and movement of various simple epithelial cells (especially in relation to tumor formation). So increases in K-18 may not just be a by-product of the growth, but in an internal feedback loop help continue the growth of tissues in the body.
so....quite a lot to take in this episode, eh? ill go ahead and skip over all the obvious stuff most have mentioned and dig into my "randoms".....
we really did not learn nearly as much in this episode as most seem to believe. did we get some answers? hell yes! did we get THE answers?? not exactly.
what we now know:
-saul and Tanya are different, at least in some small way. (yea, that was a very powerful scene, good stuff.)
-exactly what Tanya was testing, what it was for. what info she gleamed from it.
-diesel is running low
-datu is still awesome, glenn is a good mentor. (those two work well togetherIMO)
-vic and Kelly sound more "married" than saul and lizzie
what WE can gleam from that info:
-the byproduct of turning (excessive levels of K18). this is not however whats causing it, what is causing the change is still unknown.
-tanya never specified what changes took place in wendy (internally), but we can bet that its not life threatening, due to saul/tanyas high level of functionality.
-fuel searches are becoming difficult, either fuel will become a major issue soon...or it won't. perhaps finally we will explore alternate fuels. vegtable oils, bio diesels, or hell...start growing a ton of corn.
-the mata-gun. datus a genius. ive wondered in the back of my mind why potato guns have never been brought up. a simple potato gun (pvc pipe,hairspray, potato, plus a ignitor) they can pack a punch. perhaps not nearly as much as the mata gun. but certainly a deterrant/noisemaker at the least.
vic and Kelly....need I say more? I could listen to those two snark back n forth for hours...makes me happy(and happy to be single)
more poop
its been brought up about keratin being found in scar tissue and fibrosis tissue. a thought that crossed my mind in relation to the behemoths(and rip this apart if im wrong, please). but, I know from experience that when building muscles (big manly muscles, haha) many get "stretch marks". this would be the byproduct of fast muscle increase beyond the size the skin is normally used to. I know I still have them from days when I was far larger than I am now. could the increased muscle capacity/size of the behemoths coupled with whats likely an already abnormally high level of existing scar tissue/keratin level have something to do with what happened to them? if any of what I just said makes sense then perhaps our whole "steroid theory" that's been around for a while makes sense after all.
the scene with saul and Tanya, while kinda heartbreaking it reminded me of something ive brought up before. an episode of the outer limits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_o..._Outer_Limits)
while, no....I don't believe this is actually something alien. I do wonder if we couldn't have a somewhat similar situation happening. in order to avoid the changes taking place that cause the "biter" change, we have to go through a similar, yet different change. what if saul/Tanya are just the first of an entirely new breed of "people"?
and another thing..if the levels of keratin rise to high levels during the change...what happens to it after? if it goes back down, it must be being processed in some way? you cant explain away something like that via osmosis ...or whatever. perhaps that's something we should all explore. RED SHIRT! YOU HAVE AN ASSIGNMENT!
"frog cant turn back into a tadpole, saul." this line sticks with me, one of the most notable changes in the frogs to tadpoles metamorph. is gills to lungs (and legs, and losing the tail, and...) they also change from herbivore to carnivore...so they not only see a physical change but also a dietary change, which in turn leads to a behavioral change. this is a VERY apt comparison in the story.
when we couple the idea of frogs to tadpoles, with the keratin info, and with most of the ideas red shirt brought up earlier (EVERYBODY, REP THAT POST, MAN DESERVES IT) it really does force one to look at the possibility of "evolution/intelligent design"(after a fashion). while most of us would like to think of the evolution of our species being all "enlightened and prosporous and happy" that ultimately is but one of two options. that....or THIS < >
heh, got a bit meta there at the end didn't I?...I honestly just let my brain fart all this out...not much of any research. hopefully I give somebody some ideas....have fun folks...or else
todd out.
My guess is that once it is bound the levels circulating in the blood decreases, or whatever is causing it to be produced in the first place has run out ... maybe, kinda something... science!Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
I was thinking a very similar thing and thought I posted it last night but, alas, that post doesn't exist....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
My thought was along the lines of CJ out kicking her coverage at the Colony. That is, the execution of Colony setup and expansion was good. A lot of progress and quickly. More than double the size and farm land, etc. But the plan wasn't sound. Over reached with their fuel supplies and created a much large perimeter to defend with dwindling resources (fuel and ammo). So CJ had a 180, IMO - great execution of a flawed plan. I'll put out there again that I think we're going to get some bad juju going down at the Colony before long. Might even result in the demise (death or turning) of a named character....
I always assumed the description of the stretch marks indicated very rapid growth of the body such that the skin couldn't keep up. I'd like to throw out there that it might also be HGH (human growth hormone) that was included in whatever "treatment" the big guys got to become behemoths. Steroids, HGH, or whatever - I think the behemoths were one of the evolutionary/intelligent design steps in the creation of the Little Ones (and anything that might be around after those guys....)Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
I'll second the request to REP Red Shirt on that post. Go do it, people!Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
As you know, I'm squarely in the camp of intelligent design - that is someone (human, smart one, alien, whatever) intentionally experimented on regular biters to make the runners, jumpers, behemoths, and Little Ones. These special types of Z are not a direct result of whatever the Z Day cause is. The questions remain: What is being done to make these new creations? Why is it being done? Who the hell is doing it?
Good stuff 7odd!
Hi.
Two more thoughts:
- Did I understand Tanya right? Is she looking forward to seeing someone turn into a zomb in order to get more data for her research?
- Since Saul and Tanya at least seem to be different, what about this: Months ago I theorized about parallels to the movie of "Doom". What, if Tanya and Saul really have something in common with them zombs, but instead of becoming monsters, they turn into creatures of light? Maybe this could end in an ultra-deathmatch-fistfight between Saul and Ink ... ? I don't think, any of this is gonna happen. But it would be quite an homage to the movie of "Doom", although I don't know, if Kc likes the movie at all (and afaik the opinions about it are very controversial ...).
Best wishes!
Liam