Hey, don't forget The Poor Man's James Bond, the Anarchist's Cookbook and pretty much the entire Paladin Press catalog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
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Hey, don't forget The Poor Man's James Bond, the Anarchist's Cookbook and pretty much the entire Paladin Press catalog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
One more thing that might help in the quest for CJ's past....
In Chapter 31-2, Saul and Victor are trying to convince CJ that they need to go to the Colony to get Glenn's sat phone. They try to persuade her by suggesting that it would be nice to go somewhere that might be "normal".
CJ responds at about 4:34 - "What's normal?!? Working most of your life doing trivial shit just to get by?"
So she doesn't necessarily think very highly of her previous life/job, IMO
I took this to also refer to the present reality. Kalani fought his way to a plane, crashed, fought his way out of LAX and she sends him down to mix concrete within 15 minutes of arrival. Duncan and Samantha do not seem happy to be there and Kalani hopes to see sunlight in a couple of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
She really does treat her people like peasants and thinks of herself as an action hero. She has the drop on Saul and fails to kill him. She gets her sword stuck in a zombie and Scratch kicks her ass. She is fricken delusional. All hat no cattle. Talks the talk but cannot walk the walk. She is an arrogant bookworm who has no field experience. One of the worse leaders to have.
She would make a good Subject Matter Expert, but she has to lose the chip on her shoulder. Michael is so far ahead of her in natural charisma and the leadership learning curve it is pathetic.
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Originally Posted by scbubba
SCBubba has a point here. When she first meets Victor and Saul and they realize that she's not a Maller, one of them refers to her as a 'nobody'. She seems more hurt and offended by this comment than being captured by the duo, and screams out, "I'm NOT just some nobody!" It's like she didn't get any validation for her talents before the SHTF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
As far as her medical training background, for what it is worth, when Saul ties the tourniquet around her leg he starts to say that it will stop the bleeding but CJ interrupts and finishes the sentence. Saul replies/rebukes, "I know, because you know everything.
It seems that managing people is a weak point for her. Like GrogNaurd said in another, she's no leader. This would weaken the suggestion that she is a spy. Modern spy craft often involves manipulating people, who have information, to betray their country and share that information with you. She seems to have way more military & survival knowledge necessary for, say, a Chinese agent who would more likely try to steal computer technology or high tech manufacturing secrets. Although, it would be interesting to see this story played out with China spying on Radon Labs.
Great, now I have to add these to my collection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
EDIT: WOW!
There is also a movie called The Anarchist's Cookbook about a character who shows up with the book to a group of kids called The Family led by a kid named Puck.
The Anarchist's Cookbook on IMDB. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0284850/
You all are making me feel much more secure in my vote for Librarian being CJ's occupation. :P
In away I agree with CJ in the fact that we all do things that are very trivial. Weare all slaves to the almighty dollar. It would be liberating to not have to work to get $$ to do things or to even survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
On the face value, I always suspected that she was part of the Coast Guard rescue team.
Whatever CJ's occupation was, I think she's just a classic Type A. She could have been a military brat, moved around a lot, learned everything she could. She's a classic over achiever, her how to manuals are proof of that and her strong alphadog mentality that her way is the ONLY way. She was probably an only child, and I assume this on two reasons. She's Chinese and there's a strong One Child Policy. My second and probably strongest reason is her social skills. She's got to be the ONE ( as in - in charge, center of attention, first ONE to be taken care of, the one who's needs are met and considered etc.) If she was an eldest child, she'd still have Alpha tendencies, but she'd be more nurturing, which she doesn't seem to be because she's always on "point."
Again, I speak of her Asian side only because I can somewhat relate. Honestly, it's pretty accurate too. Straight forward, stoic, sometimes very overly aggressive and abrasive. Mixed that with Type A and, there you have it. CJ.
I GOT IT! Everyone knows how she is a great planner but has horrible execution. What happened, the outbreak, was all her fault, she was in charge of something (ex. transporting or security) of whatever caused the outbreak and because her plans tend to fail horribly this outbreak happened.
OH! So that's why she's so motivated and taking point! Awesome observation!Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
I agree with quite a bit of this, except for a couple points. The chance that she is an only child is pretty big, especially if her family came from a Chinese city. I know that people in rural China tend to ignore that one child policy. However I've met some people who were the eldest but are not at all nurturing, because they never dealt with their siblings as babies. They look at their younger siblings as, and I quote "the midget that lives in my house".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanniekuma
The other point I don't agree with is... stoic. Really? You think she's stoic? I just can't say I agree.
Point in case Chapter 37-3.
Granted she lost a limb, and maybe there's only like a handful of people who would be stoic about that, but just in general I don't think she's stoic.
(small and resigned voice) Or maybe it's just that CJ annoys me...
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Originally Posted by thisonegirl
After she lost her limb, she was still vocal, but she powered through it, just like a soldier on point. I should have explained the stoic point in more detail. I know the most common definition of stoic, is to not complain or show any emotion, even if in pain- physical and emotional. My use of the word stoic is incorrect and maybe I should have used " a follower of Stoicism" instead. But even that was stretching it. CJ showed a great deal of self control, even after her surgery. She was able to put aside her pain, both physical and emotional, and replace it with determination. Indomitable, stubborn, or just plain badass might have been a better word to use.
I certainly appreciate this feedback. I'm loving this, actually :)
Her voice annoys me too. But I can relate to her...and Datu, my favorite, ay nako!
A bit OT, but recently I went through a period where I had little to no funds and my material belongings was reduced to (more or less) what I could carry. I haven't felt that liberated and free for as long as I can remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
This fits in with my pet theory that she worked in the LA Emergency Management Department. She was "on duty" the day that SHTF and in the fray she hesitated, choked and dropped the ball... Maybe getting to watch live via traffic camera as street patrol cops got torn apart because she dispatched the SWAT late.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
Something I don't think that I've voiced yet relating to this is that working at the LA:EMD, it stands to reason that you would know all of the tactical benefits, strengths and weaknesses of all of the equipment, units and personnel that the city has at it's disposal... From the big picture perspective, eyes in the sky view, not boots on the ground level. How to effectively deploy a SWAT unit but not necessarily actually take part in the raid. Very much like the differences in playing a First Person Shooter game and a Real Time Strategy game.
A parallel to this is found in the US Army NCO Creed:
The gist of the meaning behind that line is that as a non-com, you will know both the intricacies of how to operate and maintain your equipment and how to deploy it in combat... case in point: Shined boots, pressed uniform, clean rifle, dress-right-dress, three bags full and regurgitate AR, FM and TM... doesn't mean shit if you can't dig a foxhole and shoot strait. Then, as a Junior and now as a Leader I'm wary of those soldiers.Quote:
I will strive to remain technically and tactically proficient.
Ok, I still think it is stretching it a bit, but I can see it. I should clarify, her voice does not annoy me, the character does. And I like Datu, too! He needs to be a stuffed toy, so I can squish him with my love!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanniekuma
For Osiris it is all about Scratch. For me,one of the main themes is Leadership. CJ exhibits a pretty good first pass plan. It is well thought out and pretty good, if nothing goes wrong, but she does not have enough contingency planning and makes a lot of assumptions.
Let's just look at the Other Tower. She puts everything into one barrier; outside vs inside. BAD! She would be much better with multiple zones of control and defense in depth. There are no safe rooms. There is no rapid response defense. Everything is centralized around CJ. Even a super secret hidey hide for her alone. The populace, their best defense is to try and break out of the one hardened barrier out into the teeth of the siege. After the fall, life goes back to normal for her, it is all about CJ. Maybe she tried to help with the rescue efforts, I doubt it. She has a team at the water works, but she does not seem to try and link up with them.
I suspect we will find it was a rally point for Sean and others.
Does anyone remember when Bixby says to CJ,"Yes, Ma'am" and she replies with something like, "It's not ma'am, it's CJ."? Reminds me of Micheal's disdain for being called 'sir' by Tommy because of the association of that term with officers. So perhaps she had some sort of background involving military ranks (Military, law enforcement, school hall monitor...) but wasn't an officer.
In any case, she has a VAST amount of technical knowledge.
The whole story has a theme involving someone assuming a leadership roll by rallying survivors. One by one all of the leaders succumb to their own fault with the decimation of their flock.
- Micheal assumes control due to Angel's lack of experience and strength.
- CJ giving direction to confused people.
- Marcus pretending to be a military leader then creating a dystopian utopia.
- Kimmet taking a cold, hard and unforgiving in response to the outbreak.
- Scratch with lies, manipulation, and intimidation.
- Durai is,... Durai. He's ok...:hsugh:
The list can go on...
I'm a correctional officer, so I could answer your questions about the job. I'm thinking ex-cop myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
im just gonna throw this one out there, in part to be funny, in part because it makes sense in a weird way.
child beauty pageant event cooridinator.
boom, solved.
That could be the common disdain that a lot of women have for the term because it often implies a more "mature" or elderly role and appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Good point and list. Just about any story, historical or fiction, of human struggle hinges on leadership. All too often it is in a failure of leadership which is very often attributed to a fatal character flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Back to CJ's occupation.... In 38-2, she sounded a whole lot like every power tripped project manager I have ever worked with in my 20+ year career. I'm not saying every project manager is like CJ's character. I'm saying that CJ's character is like a subset of project managers that I have worked with. And it's not a small subset....
So, I'll double down on my vote for project manager and add to it that she mainly worked on projects in the law enforcement or DoD realms.
I still think she was an engineer. Not a seasoned one, but maybe a new graduate.
CJ reminds me a lot of the engineer in Schindler's List.
just in case you haven't seen it.....here's the vid. There's some swearing in this and an execution. Warning, it's not an easy thing to watch, especially if you are an engineer or have any sort of mechanical background. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG5DifyudK8AND may I remind you..it's from Schindler's List...
Interesting that you would bring up engineer. This morning I solved the mystery. CJ was Dunbar Apartments' MAINTENANCE MAN!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanniekuma
Stand down Maint...oh wait...um...would it be in poor taste if we told CJ to take a knee?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I think she was a COSTCO manager! She know's how to direct people because she worked at costco and she know's how to get things becasue what doesnt costco have! Oh and she know's about guns and getting prepared becasue she probably had a dad in the millitary. Boo ya! solved it
i'll take a stab at it....
Chinese Government Spy that moonlighted as a third-shift Rent-A-Cop (a la "Men At Work", starring Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez).
I say CJ headed up the LA Chinese Moffia.
(The following is my personal opinion of Cj. I can be completely wrong. Time will hopefully tell.)
I believe Cj was a upward moving business woman. She exhibits all the traits of a CEO, and she knows it. But she is not a CEO yet, and that burns her. That is why it upset her so much when Victor and Saul called her a "nobody." Obsessive, controlling, strives for knowledge, and an overly secret personality was developed from climbing the corporate ladder, working hard herself, ordering those under her, and stabbing her competition in the back.
She is for sure a planner, not a fighter. If she was PD, or part of any criminal organization, she would have had a firearm in her apartment when the outbreak started instead of the Katana, which she honestly cannot use very well. I believe most of her knowledge of how to shoot came from basic instruction from Sean. The only firefight she was in (that we know of) was handled badly as well.
If it was for decoration as an anime fan, or symbol of power, the Katana became a weapon because it was on hand. Her overall good physical health and cunning have helped her, but it caught up to her when she fought a true knife fighter in Scratch.
Her exterior of toughness is also a wall, put up to keep people out. As Sean mentioned, she already had one breakdown, and she also hid during the attack on the other tower. Those breakdowns will come back to haunt us, i'm afraid...
That is an awesome theory on CJ. Really fits the bill when you think about it.. But she was good enough to get the jump on Saul. So the chick does have skills. Just scratch probably has way more experience up close and personal with a blade.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
Oh, there is no doubt Cj excelled at stealth. At least from the time the other tower fell, she survived by being as covert as possible.
It's like security patrol! I'm a teacher and find that you do a good job! Everybody should do that thing that he is talented. For example, I'm talented in writing, so I write for online writing service ca.papersowl.com. And a lot of students appreciate my work, some of my colleagues find it awesome.
Huh so this thread is kinda dead but I'll add something to it. Here I go.
I think cj was an selfish introverted otaku that worked at the library.
First I'm gonna explain the introvert theory.
First off, she was perfectly fine being alone in her tower, also the death of her fallen occupants didn't really phase her. Sean also suggested that cj gets over worked easily due to it happening often. Introverted people usually can handle lots of work easily but at a heavy cost.....stress.
Next up the otaku part, or should I say she was a weeb in hiding....this is kinda easy to explain she had a katana in her appartment.....now I read some comments saying it was probably a hobby but if it was she would be better trained with it and, she is not well trained in that field of combat shown when she gets the sword stuck in a zombies bone from swinging incorrectly. When saw talked to Victor about movie night vic said "aww not more of that anime" but cj seemed ok with watching it.
Next the library job. I half think she worked at the library and half think she was a weeb who inherited the hotel she survived in like Bill inherited his apartments. So the library theory is kinda half baked. She could have worked at the library because she was an introvert which would also line up with how she remembered "how to books" but maybe she just sent a team to get them.
The selfish part next.
Now I'm not against selfishness in this situation....you Just gotta look out for #1 but th just kinda went overboard. Cj is perfectly fine with using others as test subjects for her agenda as seen when she messed up victors suit at the time where she wanted pics of ground zero, or when she split the whole walled in community when they were low on resources i think she sent multiple groups to multiple locations to test the area before she picked which group to go with while she stayed at her original tower with saw and liz. She only keeps the walled up community going because she needs protection cause she lost her limb after saving them. Buuuuut heeeeey thaaaatssss just a theory an audio story theory. If ya read this whole thing thnx. You must have a pretty long attention span to read this whole half baked theory. Sidenote/ cj referred to saw and Vic as her tennants as if they were renting a room from her. So that could refer to her being a apartment manager.
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