Just re-listened. You're right. Could be Homecoming, could be Revelations as well. Lover's Walk would be too obvious. Hmm. Wait. Band Candy! That's the one!Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
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Just re-listened. You're right. Could be Homecoming, could be Revelations as well. Lover's Walk would be too obvious. Hmm. Wait. Band Candy! That's the one!Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
Very good episode. Gonna have to listen again and do some commentary/theorizing.
I will go ahead and take a big ole bite of crow for the "CJ dies on the table" prediction. Missed that one by a country mile.
I have returned from the dead! So excited about no work today. Line of the show though is: "don't push me I am pregnant!" "Can't use that for everything" In general Saul made me laugh my ass off when he was shooing Lizzie and Riley away, very good wingman bro. Pegs broke my heart, but I understand her reasoning...also Puck was amazing this episode. I have never seen Buffy, but Victor I have siblings who lose discs of seasons...I know the pain. I bet the Mallers scratched their DVD's too...check the player in case they left it there.
At first I was worried Carl had found a bomb, then a radio and we were hearing Scratch live. However the tape might be much more dangerous. I don't think Michael had an hope at this point that Angel was alive, but I wonder if Riley did. She would hold out hope that Angel and Skittles were chilling in a Costco or something, hidden but alive. How will they all react?
Lastly I may be reading too much into relationship drama, but I doubt Lizzie knows how deep the connection between CJ and Saul is. Saul talking her down in a very well acted scene shows just how close the pair are. I am not doubting Saul, he is true to Lizzie till the end, I am wondering if Lizzie will get jealous when she sees how tight the are and if CJ will use her new position of weakness to get more attention from Saul. I sense wacky hi-jinx and even more relationship drama to come.
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Originally Posted by Osiris
Dude! Over reading is what we do here. I present to you, Band Candy: "...Meanwhile, four vampires enter an unguarded hospital to remove four newborn babies. The teenage researchers arrive at the hospital a little later where Willow phones them from the library and relays to them the discovery that Lurconis eats babies, and Giles remembers that the demon may be found in the sewers.
Down in the sewers, the Mayor, Mr. Trick, and the four vampires are chanting in a ceremony to summon Lurconis. Buffy, Giles and Joyce crash the party underground, and the Mayor quickly flees unnoticed. Buffy defeats the vampires while Giles and Joyce retrieve the babies to safety. Trick escapes and the huge demon appears. Buffy pulls down a gas pipe, igniting a fire that kills Lurconis..."
ArthurLaMarche, Speculate! See that? Mystery Solved.
Just where was CJ's leg cut? Sounds like she was hobbling away from the operating table. Also, I half expected to hear a, "I Love you." from either her or Saul before the operation. I'm just glad that all of screaming has stopped. One more episode of "Arrrgghhhhh!!!! Oh my God!!! Ahhhhhhh!!!!!" and I would have cut off my own leg.
I'm not sure if I'm missing it, but I don't hear anything that sounds like hobbling away. I think her leg would have to have been cut fairly close to her hip, as I believe it was the femoral artery that Scratch cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Hello.
1)
I feel very sorry for Pegs. First her (poor?) choice with Michael; then all the trash that happened in Boulder especially with the loss of her new mate; and then she gets into emotional trouble trouble regarding Michael. I am pretty certain that she actually wants Michael back; but all those different experiences with him, the zombocalypse, their funny way of talking ... I think she really needs some real caring, a broad shoulder to rest upon. I feel bad for her. Other then Michael she has no big opportunity to evade her emotions, because currently she is not in charge of anything or has a specific task to keep her on track; Michael on the contrary has plenty of stuff to think about and take care of - even without a current position to fill in. He just "survives".
And what Pegs needs is someone helping her to learn this way of survivng in order to either get rid of emotional stress or to get close with someone again. Michael still might be a good choice.
Up until now I just liked her character because she was very different from all the other characters and she was like an "image error" or something; but now ... I feel bad for her. And I sincerely hope that her characters gets through this without much more pain and stress.
And Michael? Well. Maybe he really needs a serious blow to his chin in order to wake up.
2)
Victor puzzled me in this episode. On the one side he gets a lot more involved with the story of other people, which becomes especially obvious regarding Michael and his future role in the Colony. On the other he seems kind of confused to me. Why is that so? Or am I the only one here having this impression? Is he estimating the situation and creating his own plans?
3)
Balance of Power: This episode shows a couple of interesting conflict lines appearing on the horizon of events - Puck and Victor might get in trouble considering their sympathies regarding Michael or the colony; Saul will be caught between some interesting emotional things regarding CJ and Lizzy, or Michael and Victor.
4)
Riley and Angel ... Michael and Angel ... Riley and Scratch ... Michael and Scratch. One of my first thoughts here was that Riley might turn into a chaotic Saul like what we saw in the later parts of season #2 - a cannon ball gone loose ... Riley is going to meen trouble for the Colony. And Michael? In season #1 we learned that Michael never would have thought to consider Angel a friend and that - before all this zombo-shit-thing - he would turn around, if Angel happened to show up in the same bar in order to avoid a chatter with him. And now this ...
Episodes #1 and #2 of chapter #37 are packed with a lot of TNT and dynamite, of which I haven't mentioned everything yet. And I am very happy that #2 here cared more for the people and not so much for them zombos ... I am really, really interested in what will happen in #3 ...
Best wishes!
Liam
tl;dr - I am kind of tired ...
2 more thoughts about this episode:
1-Am I correct in understanding that Riley, Pegs, Lizzy, and Kelly are all sharing a house? It wouldn't have surprised me if Riley, Pegs, and Kelly were all roommates, but why aren't Saul and Lizzy sharing their own place? Or are all 5 of them in one house?
2- Why exactly has Victor been trying so hard to not have Angel's death come up? I get that he didn't want to ruin the reunion, but he still doesn't want to let Michael know now? Why does he feel so responsible? Is there something in Victor's past that is making him feel responsible now?
And finally, lame joke on balance of power: chloroform makes CJ dizzy-just one more way she's a bit off-balance now.
They did say that the Mallers stacked people into the houses so they'd have room. There may be no other options than to share.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
Cue the over reactions to Pegs. It's a valid point she makes, and she was cold to Michael but surprise surprise: Michale still doesn't really get it. Puck is a nice addition to Michael's life because he barely knows pegs vs. other main characters.
Victor is in a tough spot. Having the Sean knowledge is hard enough, having Angel is another. He probably thinks its best to not bring it up and let everyone think Angel died in the tower collapse. He's right, there needed to be a better time to bring it up and that time was probably never.
Watch out now....Victor and Pegs characters are taking the turn into gaining depth. That means these loveable characters are going to gain a nastier edge we may not like as listeners. Especially Victor.
That's a good point, and it made me remember about the Mallers penchant for collecting I.D.'s. I wonder what other past Evil Schemes our guys will dig up that have been cluttering Durai's closet...Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
Pikepaw's back! About the Angel tape, all I gotta say is they should hide all the booze in the Colony before telling Riley...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikepaw
I think it's near her hip as well, somewhere along C.J.'s thigh... her young, plump, succulent thigh, glistening with sweat--Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
--uh, what? Er, sorry. Imagination took over a bit there. About C.J.'s leg, all I gotta say is PLEASE KC GIVE HER A LONG STILETTO PEG LEG WITH A PINK ROLLER SKATE ON THE BOTTOM!
Victor says at the end that he wanted everything to settle down before he told them about Angel.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
Also, think I heard on WND that the title for this episode is a double meaning :P
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Originally Posted by Gooer
I know Victor says he wanted to let everything settle down, but I guess I agree with NikVoodoo that there was never really was going to be a good time to tell people about Angel. I just thought maybe there were additional reasons for the secrecy, especially given our lack of knowledge of Victor's back story (if you don't believe he was an insurance salesman, which I think is still up for debate).
And yes, the chloroform comment was a reference to the acknowledged double meaning. Maybe I should have been clearer :-)
I agree. I am not sure how this is all going to go down, but my feeling is that Michael is really going to have to learn how to ask for help. He has shown us that he can, but trust and emotional connection are what I think he still needs. This includes both Pegs and Victor and the entire group of survivors he wants to lead/help.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I also want to say the audio "trick" with CJ going under listening to music fading into the pulsating tone was very well done.
For Victor this knowledge really is power, but remember that Lizzy also has this knowledge as well, so it is not just him holding it back right now. however, given Vics reaction it may not be just that this is not the right time, but not the right time for him..Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
In a way there were a lot of subtle shifts of power in this episode, CJ needing Saul (even though she never said it, she was asking him for help), Michael and Pegs (he will have to chase her now if he wants anything) and Victor and Michael (I am not sure Victor is going to be content to just follow any more)
C.J. and Saul
It definitely sounded like there was something more than mere friendship going on between C.J. and Saul just before she went under the knife. We know about her attraction, but his "I'm not going anywhere" was kind of surprising. Would add an interesting twist if C.J. tries to kiss him again and is overseen by Lizzy...
Impending Power Struggle
Something has got to be done about the leadership of the Colony; this egalitarian honeymoon period isn't going to last long. But it's true that Michael has a bit too much baggage to be an effective leader of the Colony people (how many are there, anyway?). Still, what is the alternative? Burt isn't going to do it, and there is no suitable rival to Michael's claim to leadership...
...except C.J., who is ideally suited to be the 'mind' of the operation, particularly since her body is now compromised. She was always shit at execution, anyway. My guess is there is going to be a brief period of 'divided camps' with the Towerites / Irwinites / Colonites separating in their respective groups, then a town hall meeting of sorts to vote for a suitable leader, which should end up being C.J., if any of those dumbasses value their lives...
Saul... What's Up with the Music, dude?
What's up with Saul's shitty 1980's-era Buttrock? I would've taken him for a hip hop or R&B man... maybe 'smooth jazz' or something. But that shit was just horrible! [uh, and sorry Kc if I just insulted your cousin's band; understand you can't use licensed music in the podcast]. And did you guys catch the lyrics? Something about getting back at some 'holly roller'; could this have some deeper meaning in terms of the plot?
Actor's Recording Schedule
This point occurred to me from hearing Riley deliver only, what, 2 lines in this episode. So in terms of a recording schedule, I'm guessing that Kc would have had Claire Dodin recording these lines in a previous session... perhaps even during the recording of last season's finale. I doubt he would ask her to drive an hour or so all the way over to the studio to just give 2 lines and that's it. I'd be interested to hear how Kc coordinates his recording schedule in these instances... [if he doesn't answer here I'll just re-post in the 'Ask Him Yourself' thread]
Pegs is a HO
It seems that Muldoon has accidentally come across a picture of Pegs from back in her Boulder days:SPOILER
Angel--Revenge Motive?
I don't necessarily think that the discovery of Angel's execution is going to lead to a witch hunt of Scratch and the remaining Mallers. It just doesn't make any sense and would be a foolish risk at this point. I do think it's probably that we may get a partial glimpse into Scratch's current doings so the story doesn't go stale with the camera entirely on the Colony clean-up efforts.
Puck is Da MAN!
And finally, Puck deserves the 'Dean Martin Toast of Approval' for his 'Mad Men'-esque usage of the word "BROAD"...
I listened to the episode at the gym. Yes, Victor is gaining more depth, he got a new facade, he is concerned about the whole colony situation. Very interesting.
And guys, come on, do not blame Michael for everything. He has not changed that much over the seasons. So it is feasible to adapt to such kind of behavior. However, he (maybe unwillingly) does what a leader has to do - which means that he sometimes has to serve as a lightning rod. Without him, he would not have a season 4.
I'm pretty sure they record multiple chapters. So when they had their recording session they would have done 37&38.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
See? Pegs overreaction!! ;)Quote:
Your are so fucking excellent in so many ways. Cannot rep you at the moment, sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by LitmasterC.J. and Saul
It definitely sounded like there was something more than mere friendship going on between C.J. and Saul just before she went under the knife. We know about her attraction, but his "I'm not going anywhere" was kind of surprising. Would add an interesting twist if C.J. tries to kiss him again and is overseen by Lizzy...
Impending Power Struggle
Something has got to be done about the leadership of the Colony; this egalitarian honeymoon period isn't going to last long. But it's true that Michael has a bit too much baggage to be an effective leader of the Colony people (how many are there, anyway?). Still, what is the alternative? Burt isn't going to do it, and there is no suitable rival to Michael's claim to leadership...
...except C.J., who is ideally suited to be the 'mind' of the operation, particularly since her body is now compromised. She was always shit at execution, anyway. My guess is there is going to be a brief period of 'divided camps' with the Towerites / Irwinites / Colonites separating in their respective groups, then a town hall meeting of sorts to vote for a suitable leader, which should end up being C.J., if any of those dumbasses value their lives...
Saul... What's Up with the Music, dude?
What's up with Saul's shitty 1980's-esque Buttrock? I would've taken him for a hip hop or R&B man... maybe 'smooth jazz' or something. But that shit was just horrible! [uh, and sorry Kc if I just insulted your cousin's band; understand you can't use licensed music in the podcast]. And did you guys catch the lyrics? Something about getting back at some 'holly roller'; could this have some deeper meaning in terms of the plot?
Actor's Recording Schedule
This point occurred to me from hearing Riley deliver only, what, 2 lines in this episode. So in terms of a recording schedule, I'm guessing that Kc would have had Claire Dodin recording these lines in a previous session... perhaps even during the recording of last season's finale. I doubt he would ask her to drive an hour or so all the way over to the studio to just give 2 lines and that's it. I'd be interested to hear how Kc coordinates his recording schedule in these instances... [if he doesn't answer here I'll just re-post in the 'Ask Him Yourself' thread]
Pegs is a HO
It seems that Muldoon has accidentally come across a picture of Pegs from back in her Boulder days:SPOILER
Angel--Revenge Motive?
I don't necessarily think that the discovery of Angel's execution is going to lead to a witch hunt of Scratch and the remaining Mallers. It just doesn't make any sense and would be a foolish risk at this point. I do think it's probably that we may get a partial glimpse into Scratch's current doings so the story doesn't go stale with the camera entirely on the Colony clean-up efforts.
Puck is Da MAN!
And finally, Puck deserves the 'Dean Martin Toast of Approval' for his 'Mad Men'-esque usage of the word "BROAD"...
From what I understand, Nik is entirely correct. They record in big blocks, multiple chapters.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
In this episode, Victor kind of reminded me of those people on "Big Brother." And not the "Big Brother" from that one Doctor Who episode, either...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Don't worry, Vic(ky). I still like you, but I'm watching you because I think you'll take more than just my insurance rates to a lower rate.
Victor is racked with guilt over what happened to the colony. He has to be hearing about new atrocites every day. One way to keep his sanity to start beleiving the "He made me do it" theory. Michael being responsible for more of what happened lets Victor be able to sleep at night. I think subconsciously he does not want Michael in charge because when the people in the colony refuse to accept his rule people will focus on Victor's part on that night.
Peg's didn't have a boyfriend in boulder, She is using it as an excuse to not re-new her relationship with Michael. She knows that anyone could die at any moment and if one of them died it would be too much for the other one.
P.S. I got a kick out of Puck being obscessed with baseball cards.
Please be careful where this conversation goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
I'm really only here to talk about CJ's thighs, and Victor's secret Faith fetish.
Wait! Don't leave, Cupcake. Don't want to offend the female contingent of our Forum. Just a little pissed at Pegs right now...Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
I cannot believe Lizzy failed Angel so. Sure, victor just helped rescue her, but she does not know him at all and she suddenly agrees with him without so much as a BUT?. WTF?
Ok, I am not a therapist, but I do not think it is a good idea. Either she does or she as been hypnotized
I do not know what to call it, but in several instances characters have been able to plant suggestions. Cabbage Patch has floated the theory that the families are like vampires and my idea of deep sleep is similar to having been fed on. Now we get the 2x4 up the head of Buffy the vampire slayer.
In vampire game theory there are the eldest and most powerful vampires. Each generation is less powerful. Eventually, one gets to zombies / ghouls mindless. The vampire soul / spark is diluted away.
I was so-so with the idea. But, convincing a therapist not to discuss feelings and just leaving that gernade to go off in an uncontrolled situation is a pretty powerful whammy
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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
My comments on the epi
First what the heck is going on with living arrangements? When Micheal went to visit Pegs and we heard that Lizzy, Pegs, Riley AND Kelly all crashing together? I know they said many of the houses were damaged or claimed by the Mallers but that still seems a bit off to me. Does that mean that all the remaining Irwin ppl are bunking up too? They do seem to be lumped together and taken Victor into the fold.
Victor: Seriously PO'ed with Micheal in a way I did not expect. I think we will be hearing more from the remaining colonist about time under the Mallers that he is blaming on Micheal. It is much easier to blame someone else then deal with the guilt that he left all these people that he lived with....
As far as the tape Micheal does say he didn't see anyone really in the two days that have passed. People tended to themselves and he would have been much more likely to get a run down from Saul then Victor so it is very possible this is the first time Victor saw Micheal in the two days. Remember the colony was under attack from the moment they took it so I am sure there are plenty of people catching Victor up on events.
Speaking of Guilt I expect to hear tons of it pouring off Michael. So much for "never leave a man behind" he now found out that he left 4! Well 5 but I don't think Lizzy really counts. Now that he knows about Angel I think it will put a lot in perspective for him as far as his own desire to lead and his history of leading groups of civilians.
Puck reminds me of a character from an old World War Two movie. I keep expecting him to see if someone has turned by asking them who won the 1937 World Series or what's Mae West's bust size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Puck is Da MAN!
And finally, Puck deserves the 'Dean Martin Toast of Approval' for his 'Mad Men'-esque usage of the word "BROAD"...
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I am having a hard time imagining what kind of objections the colonists could have against Michael. I mean, how are they going to phrase it? "You should have let us kill you, instead you fought your way out to survive!!! You're a HORRIBLE PERSON!!1!11"
Or maybe "Not only you escape when we tried to kill you, but you also come here and save all our asses? You really are something! I hate you!" *runs towards the sunset crying*
Seriously, if they ended up with the Mallers it's because they were a compilation of assholes. They got "the spot they deserved", and short of saying "you should have let us kill you" I don't see a credible way for them to justify being mad at Michael. But I accept they will anyway, 'cause I love the show, and since they are, again, a compilation of assholes.
Don't forget that Gatekeeper lied to them. In their minds Michael killed Marcus and left them weak to a Maller take over. All the things that have gone wrong since August could easily be pinned on Michael.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
Yup, they have been told he was to blame and it is not much of a leap to say he called the mallers on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
As far as the living arrangements, my guess is that, as new comers, Saul et al don't have first dibs on the houses. Or, they may just be visiting. Or, the houses are big and spacious with room for many, as opposed to apartments.
Also interesting is that Pegs pointed out that she was in Boulder LONGER than she knew Michael. Could any of the group pick up from when they last parted, in terms of their friendship?(Of course Lizzy & Saul & his mom.) Also, we may too hard on Pegs because she lose someone after all. After listening to her last few lines sound as if she might be dealing with that loss as opposed to simply being confused about her feelings for Michael. I can't help but to wonder if her boyfriend was turned and maybe she or Kelly had to kill him. She didn't go into details over what happened to him. Losing someone is traumatic, remember Riley losing Angel? They only knew each other for a couple of months too.
Anyone else catch how KC squashed any speculation that might arise that one of the surviving Blackhawk crew, or Datu is Peg's boyfriend? Michael asks if her lover is in the Colony.
Not leaving, just don't want conversation to digress into the wrong territory. We are all goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Planning to make some sweat bottles ;) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
The only thing that would have made that part better for me would have been having a song from Left 4 Dead's "The Midnight Riders" playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Syncyed Episode Listening
As a side note, since it was the Labor Day holiday here in the States, I had the day off today and was ready to listen to the episode as soon as it dropped. A couple of other people-- Liam and Alizee-- were also waiting around with me, so we decided to go over to the VIP room and all listen to the episode together in sync; that way, we could post our immediate reaction as we got them and were all listening to the same thing together, at the same time.
It worked really well and was a lot of fun... much more so than listening to the episode alone and then commenting after the fact. I encourage other Forum members to try this next week, as it's a great way to enjoy the series with other friends! It's almost as if you're all in the same room...
Labor Day
Edited. Sorry... disregard. I'm stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Stupid? Nah. Me, I have been unemployed a while, so I feel guilty on labor day lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
What, only 8 pages after 7 hours?? Where is everybody?! We should be on page 20 or so by now....
