I love this :) Just as a note, Datu and Hope are more towards the south of the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
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I love this :) Just as a note, Datu and Hope are more towards the south of the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
I hope Boulder does get nuked. Smarmy ski-hippies...Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
A few more points....
Sound F-X, Baby!
Listened a few more times, and just love the sound-scape in the Boulder scene:
- passing cars
- the doppler effect of the passing army vehicle
- distant battle sounds
- snow crunching under their feet
- the Beastie busting in, then making his way closer in the house
Just really awesome sound work, guys. Must have taken a helluva long time. One thing that I couldn't place, though: what was that chirping noise when and Hope are running for new digs? Sounds like a squeaky ceiling fan or something.
A Robbinsean Slip
It occurred to me that Anthony Robbins might now know that Kimmet had no knoweldge of the 'bagging' of ol' Number 2 and might mention something about it to Kimmet by accident (e.g. "So did you guys learn anything from that body you brought back here?"). That would add a little fuel to an already burning flame...
Tanya's Find
Things are looking pretty grim for our heroes, especially if Boulder is going into meltdown-mode. I can't really see how they will ever win this Z-War, much less survive it. If there is going to be any ray of hope, it's got to be in Tany'a bloodline. She has got to discover what it is about her lineage that makes her (apparently) immune to turning. If they can somehow synthesize it and mass-produce it, that will at least help to turn the tides for the humans a bit.
BOOM!
This nuke business could be the dividing issue in the underlying power struggle between Michael and Kimmet. Kimmet and CJ would make a great couple, actually, since they both treat people like shit. If you remember, the first tower held off an impossible attack because they stuck together as a family and cared for each other-- unlike the 'cut n' run' attitude of those in Dunbar. If it comes down to Kimmet wanting to nuke the place even though Michael knows his friends are still trapped there alive, then that could set him over the edge...
I thought that was aspen, all I know is beer comes from boulder....i would have a sad...Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBossMan
Wow. Kudos my friend. I think we found our Michael for when/if this stuff goes down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage PatchI've been taking a close look at Boulder, trying to figure out how an attack would have unfolded. Here's how I think it happened.
The terrain around Boulder makes defense against a zombie threat challenging, but manageable.
• West—The dominant terrain feature in the Boulder area is the Rocky Mountains mountain range, which rises like a wall along the entire western flank of the city. There are a handful of roads and trails through the Rockies, with the most important being Canyon Road, that runs from the city’s hydroelectric power plants straight into downtown Boulder.
• South—This is the direction where the greatest threat would seem to lie. Denver is less than 30 miles to the south, and it is a source of potentially endless zombie hordes. Luckily there are only a handful of roads between Denver and Boulder, passing through a region of rolling hills. Assuming the zombies tend to follow the roads, it would be possible to build a strong defense by blocking the roads where it passes between hills, and covering these blockages with fire from military positions.
• East—This direction features a number of lakes and reservoirs, which channelize movement into the narrow areas between them. Once again it would be possible to build a strong defense by blocking these routes and covering them with fire from military positions.
• North—There are larger hills and more lakes and reservoirs in this direction, which provide a basis for defense. The Boulder Airport sits outside the main metropolitan area northeast of the city. The greatest threat from this direction comes from the zombie populations of small cities like Longmont, Greeley and Fort Collins, which are more than 50 miles away.
Because of the terrain the largest concentrations of military forces are probably going to be to the south and east of Boulder, with lesser forces to the north and very little covering the west.
Here’s how I think the attack took place:
1. Zombie Griggs comes over the Rockies from the Chinook crash site and approaches Boulder from the west.
2. It comes across the hydro-electric plants that support the city, attacking and turning the maintenance crews and guards and knocking out the power.
3. With its new posse, Zombie Griggs travels down Canyon Road into downtown Denver, just blocks from the City Council Building. The people at the command post learn of the attack when the zombies charge into their building.
4. At this point Boulder is effectively split in two, with zombies spreading out in all directions from the city center. Troops from the southern defenses attack into the city, retaking the City Council Building, and drawing the attention of the zombies in their direction.
Datu and Hope are probably in the northeast area of Boulder, south of the airport. This is where most of the medical facilities in the city are located, and it will facilitate their eventually making it to the airport and evacuation. Pegs and Kelly are also described as being in the north side of the city, so there is a chance they too will make it to the airport.
Hopefully the fallout will get Aspen then. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
And I homebrew. I don't need their stinking beers! :p
Good heavens, Please, NO! That's happening in another Zombie novel with mixed results. On one hand the Zs are stronger because the radiation kills the decomposition bacterias, which is clever. On the other hand the Zombies roam around spreading radiation to everything in proximity.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I don't trust Kimmet. My We're Alive theory is that Ink and Deri are (were) on the same team. They coordinated events to achieve their ultimate goal: Destruction of the human race. Now I'm beginning to think that Kimmet is in on it, too.
BTW: I was listening to chapter 33 and in the operating room Tonya recalls Lizzy's tape and the mention of the numbered Zombies. Didn't Saul find the tape...not Michael and crew?
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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
I have to spread the love before rep-ing this!
+1 Buddy. It's coming!
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Originally Posted by awkwardalex
It reminded me of the first episode when Michael is sitting in his car and the Zombies attack the honking driver. Might not be the same sound bites but the scene reminded me of the beginning and how everything started. There were elements of Michael in his car, Todd and Lizzie trying to get safety and I could imagine Kelley's and Tommy's escape to safety being similar.
A different topic here, but did anyone notice that Pvt Thomas 'revised' his report with new detail? Puck tries to divert suspicion by offering up an explanation that Carl probably remembered more stuff, but Kimmet doesn't even sound like he's convinced.
Saul recounted Lizzie's findings on the tape to Michael when they met up for the exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImPaul
"Unit" is about as ambiguous as you can get... could be a Platoon, could be a Batallion.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Dude I want to see Kimit and Michael talking about Lipizzaner ponies before they detonate the Nuke in Boulder...shit would be cash.
Attachment 2183
You do qualify your remarks. If someone asked me if we should bomb Japan, a simple "Yes." By all means sir, drop that fucker, twice! I don't mean to suggest that you're indecisive, Mr Hunter. Not at all. Just, uh... complicated. 'course, that's the way the Navy wants you. Me, they wanted simple.
So king Datu the resourceful is back! And kicking super soldier zombie ass with a pickaxe! Yay!
Oh, and Hope is back too... damn it.
Michael's reaction when tony said they were like soldier zombies was interesting. You could hear him figuring it out, that maybe the reason why it's been quiet was because ink was preparing soldiers for a final attack agaisnt humanity? That all the others were prototypes? Awesome.
Hope asked why some of the zombies were freezing from the cold, and some weren't. It sounds like maybe not all humans get turned into advanced little ones, or soldier zombies, when they turn.
If that is the case then the theory of a biter turning others into that type of biter may not be 100% accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjema
It could also connect to specific blood types/past life. It was soldiers who were being turned into 'soldier zombies.'
RED MEAT FOLKS! WE NOW HAVE RED MEAT!!
Attachment 2185
What? Not RED enough? Well here ya go, courtsey of Mr. KC Wayland.
Attachment 2186
Complaints of things moving too slow? As Kimmet says, "Now it's time to catch up."
Meatless episodes? KC says, "Choke on my meat now, Bitches!"
Some of us were complaining while we were walking through the desert, "Ye, when we were in L.A. we had plenty of action and lots of red, bloody, dripping people meats. Now all we have is this story-sustaining manna!" Now we have heart-pumping action and a shmorgasborge of meat. Potentially 150,000 corpeses worth. "Yo, Mr. Shit! The Fan, over there, said somethin' about ya mutha! Whatcha gonna do aboud it?" You know the rest!
No communication with Boulder; They're not answering their phone, IP pings are timing out, Mork can't be reached in his shell and they don't poke you back on facebook. What's happening?
- Over run by Zombies
- Just bad communication channels.
- Glenn screwing around reparing the broken sat phone.
- Satellites' orbits are decaying.
Pick 2 or 3? Then you ain't been paying attention! This is the end-times boys and girls. The only good luck is no luck. Everything else is bad luck. Plus, the time line isn't right for Glenn to have the spare phone yet.
Pick 4? Then you're smarter than Michael. Those space birds need nudging from time to time to keep them in proper orbit.
Pick 1? You're a heartless !@#$"%!!! Not Boulder!!! Yeah, great for story but I can't take it. Y'all trying to kill poor ol Witch Doctor? I was rooting to the gang to find safety and this happens?
Kimmet has a private sat phone? OK, Again, Kimmet ... has ... a ... private ... sat ... phone? Who's he gonna call? (I'll piss on the first person to say it.)
- Boulder booty calls.
- Secret US Government buried in the Appalachian Mountains.
- Regional military warlords.
- CJ
2,3 and 4 seems like it would have come straight out of somebody's ass.
Personally, I was all like... Attachment 2184 You have a private Sat Phone? Who is she?
Personally I was half expecting Boulder's communications to be down due to natural causes, but to then be attacked shortly afterwards. I guess we can just assume that Griggs was too strong for the initial team that found him.
Michael is definitely piecing things together, there will definitely be a Michael/Kimmet conflict, and the nukes may not be detonated but will come into play. I do hope everyone in Boulder survives, but I could see Pegs dying just as she's about to be saved by Michael or while performing some heroic act.
Glad to see the return of King Datu the Resourceful!
Nice one =>About Datu killing a Little One ... Yeah, I agree: Datu evolves and has some self-sustaining abilities he showed several times already. Still this scene felt weird, although I liked it. Weirdness from:Quote:
The only good luck is no luck. Everything else is bad luck.
a) if you aim for the head and hit the throat, ok might happen. Nothing's wrong with that - BUT
b) Little Ones have tougher skin and muscels, which makes things pass through a lot harder; would a swing of a pick-axe have the comparable kinetic power like a shot from a 9mm or an assault rifle or even a much higer one? And even if this won't matter ...
c) ... on so many occasions zombies (including Little Ones) were heavily wounded and still kept comming, unless they received a single shot at the right place (head) or were drowned in a spray of bullets, explosions, fire or whatnot; that's why I am kind of curious how a single blow with a pickaxe through the throat really could stop a Little One (THE super-zombie in this show so far) - at least instantly.
Anyway ... I call it a lucky shot for now and am actually happy that King Datu the ressourcefull had his heroic moment. Loved it ...
@CabbagePatch: Awesome! You analysis is a blast.
@"some freezing and others still moving" ... Yeah, strikes me as odd as well. If the sole source of this attack is Griggs and he turns people into different kinds of Zeds, that might hint towards blood-types having an influence on the zed-agent somehow-ish ... At least I like the idea.
OR!
The attack has another or several sources. Like, you know: Not only Griggs engaging, but having another group of zombies coming from somewhere else ... Although Zed-attacks have decreased, they still took place ... And what, if single groups of zeds are under control of Smart Ones who just waited for the right time to attack ...
OR!
Griggs went to Denver first, found a group of Zeds and made them follow him to attack Boulder ...
Really hard to tell.
All the best!
Liam
Part 1: Michael still does not know the Little Ones; he only relies on reports from others, and he only has a theoretical understanding of the Little Ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjema
I would not go as far and say that Ink has created a unit of super-soldier-zeds to attack Boulder. Because this would involve a couple of things: a 1.000mi march and actually the knowledge that Boulder is a city of survivors, which Ink would not know - unless he owns an NSA-facility with which he was able to listen to all the remaining broadcasting and communication in existence ... Would seem quite far-fetched ...
I think, Michael does not seem to fathom the dimension of what is told to him - which could be as simple as this:
Little One Griggs infects soliders => soliders become Little One soldiers; and Little Ones in general behave a lot more stratgic, probably retain some of their former-life skills and knowledges, thus Little One Soldiers behave like soldiers after all ...
Part 2: Yeah, you are right. That struck me as well. I just refer to my other posting #59 in this thread. I think there are several ways to look at it - with one amendment: maybe the zeds freezing simply have 'burnt out', like having to less of body-functions keeping them warm or active after all ...
All the best!
Liam
How about this: The nuke from Irwin will be brought to Ground Zero or the L.A. hospital and will be blasted there ...?Quote:
Originally Posted by fridginators
Seriously. When the shit hits the fan, the first thing I'm doing is looking for Cabbage Patch!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoff4D
Nope, Boulder is hippie-city... I've been there. The whole place reeks of patchouli oil. Witness:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
1. http://www.hippy.com/modules.php?nam...wcontent&id=23
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=378BybCpPrc
3. http://travelinglandlord.wordpress.c...lder-colorado/
Yeah, with Scratch strapped to it, hopefully. A fitting end for her character, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Can I say first, I am SO glad that we didnt go back to the colony!
This was an amazing chapter and after listening to its 4 times i still cant organize everything that we were given!So I'm going to try my best to say what i believe and I hope i dont miss something! It's kind of late so excuse my snarky-ness 8D
Why are they not popsicles like the rest? I dunno Hope, maybe it's a different Type of Z (why does no one say zombie again? I mean besides Tommy getting lectured for it?). I'm sure you know about them considering who you live around. There are zombies of all kinds, everywhere. Isn't it possible that maybe some are better adapted to the cold than others?
Boulder is going BOOM. I am like 85% positive. It'll be Kimmet who does it "We cant save them anyway so gotta look at the bigger picture. It's my butt or the civillians left in boulder so hmmmmmm." He did agree to evacuate Boulder though so props for him!
Evacutation yay! Odds are Kimmet's going to tell Michael and his buddy, they need to stay in FT.Irwin. Michael flips him off and jumps on a helicopter and goes busting into boulder like the badass we all know he is! I swoops in finds Pegs, maybe Kelly. Datu and Hope... probably someone else finds them if they live... Someone gets left behind when Boulder goes explodey! Yay for drama. It'll probably be Kelly... or the dog. Lady's gunna die i think :(.
Datu and Hope I'm not really sure on yet, but i think they might survive. Datu is getting tougher and with that pick axe he is ready to take on the inklings! Though, only one at a time, for two or three minutes for each little one. Hope will be standing behind him, probably complaining about the sound. Hope was kind of annoying in this episode so I dont think I'd mind much if she didnt survive *cough cough dont hate me cough* Pegs, I am pretty sure will survive this. Kelly I dont know but Pegs yes. She still has the conflict with scratch going for her character though i doubt we are going to see that again till Season four.
Im not sure i provided any real insite XD Just thought id express my opinion on the chapter.:D
Ghost Busters! :yay:Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Or would it be Zombie Busters?
Hope asked why some of the zombies were freezing from the cold, and some weren't. It sounds like maybe not all humans get turned into advanced little ones, or soldier zombies, when they turn.[/QUOTE]
Hope was talking about the normals before Griggs got to Boulder. The regulars froze in the winter cold, while all turned by Griggs during the attack didn't freeze because of their resilience.
or these ones:Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_DoctorKimmet has a private sat phone? OK, Again, Kimmet ... has ... a ... private ... sat ... phone? Who's he gonna call? (I'll piss on the first person to say it.)
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Originally Posted by Penguine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ1ieYFRbjE
Hope was talking about the normals before Griggs got to Boulder. The regulars froze in the winter cold, while all turned by Griggs during the attack didn't freeze because of their resilience.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillars
Makes a lot of sense.
Man I think I may stop coming to the forums. Everything you guys say finds its way into the show and it is rather a let down. The one thing I thought for sure would not happen was Hope getting her eye sight back. But a good number of forum members seemed to cling to that idea.
I feel I was the only one who thought that to be beyond reason. I mentioned why before but I mean it is a risky procedure now adays, lets think about where the world would be in Zombie world. You know everything is run off of generators, they require gas, how often are these soldiers bringing gas back to Boulder and Irwin? I don't think Shell still makes deliveries and BP isn't sending any ships to go drilling in the Gulf anymore. I harp on the gas thing because without gas there is no electricity essentially, without electricity there is a very minimal chance an eye surgery could take place. Not to mention the need of running water for sterilization and what not.
I am ranting, apologies, it actually was an awesome episode. I am on the edge of my seat, and glad to hear Datu and Hope's voice again. The story is killer, can't wait for more.
Just upset I read the forums so much. It almost feels sometimes that the story comes from what everyone here is typing up as they're predictions.
Keep up the good work though everyone, this is definitely the best podcast on the interwebz.
Bullethead: If you don't already, download and listen to our special WND podcast this upcoming Monday. We somewhat touch on the subject with Kc. It's not that Kc listens to the forum and what we predict as much as it is Kc leaves bread crumbs and sees who can follow the trail. He lead us to believe it's possible to repair Hope's eyes as it was a physical shock that caused her condition and not a birth defect or disease.
As for electricity, Boulder has 8 hydroelectric plants in service today. According to Boulder's government website, the 8 plants produce enough to power 8,000 homes. Now, that's not enough for the entire city, but if they focus the power drawn to specific locations, they could easily generate power for hospitals, command centers etc. That could very well be one of the reasons Boulder was chosen as the stronghold of humanity.
avid listener to WND (very entertaining) and thank you for responding. I heard it mentioned a few months back that it is a positive and negative for being on the forum.
On one hand you get WA 7 days a week. On the other you get WA 7 days a week.
The die hards are going to go through each thread and come out with a very likely outcome. Some things I may have missed and were crucial.
So its more my fault for joining in with the die hards :zombie: no worries
I thought you were, but I never dare presume. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
Something seems odd. If the shit hits the fan all over and then more shit hits another fan in say, Boulder, then why bother nuking it? Why nuke one place when the rest of the world is , well, shitty?
All this Boulder stuff reminds of The Stand by Stephen King.. The people there settled into boulder and got the power working again at the Hydro plants.
But IMO Boulder is Toast. Michael will have a chance to make sure some get out but not all will before Kimmet turns Boulder into a Crater. But its still up in the air on which of the Tower Folk survives. Datu and Hope will Maybe Kelly bites it helping the others get out.. I will find it odd if all of them make it out of Boulder.
There are other places far colder then There they may can find others surviving.. Alaska, Places in Canada, New England.. etc.. This could go on.. I am sure other places have survived the onslaught. Other Military bases.. Naval Units out at sea..
I think the concern is 150,000 Inklings. These are different types of shit hitting the fan...some really nasty little shits. They don't want that hitting the fan. They'd rather nuke it before the rest of the world catches a whiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
It's a catch-22 if you ask me though. Do they nuke what could possibly the last refuge of humanity on the planet and reduce the human population to a handful of people or do they take a chance and possibly let a new type of super zombie increase it's numbers to become a God awful army that could finally be the straw that breaks the camels back, sealing the fate of humanity once and for all? Wow, another poll idea; would you nuke Boulder? Who the fuck is dropping the ball?! We need to opinion polls STAT! :p
You can create those polls you know. :)
I think the big concern should be destroying the Inklings before they can spread. It is one thing to have Z-day sweep the nation. It is another thing entirely to have 150,000 super soldiers who are bullet resistant, strong, fast, and have a nasty 'tude coming at you.
It should be noted we heard from Hope and Datu. One of them will (most likely) survive because we heard their experience with the pick axe. If we are to saddle a Tower-ite to die next in Boulder I'd say it's Kelly. I've run out of story ideas for her. She's basically served her purpose hasn't she? Her loose ends are all tied up in a neat little bow. I wouldn't be shocked if she has the option of being rescued but elects to stay behind to "suffer" the nuke.
I predict Part 2 is Datu arming the soldiers with Lobos and it becomes a melee WAR!
You're right that the possibility of 150,000 Inklings is enough to make the nuclear option a viable one. But the bombs were set up well before anyone knew about the existence of the Inklings. I think Witch_Doctor's got a pretty good point. If the rest of the world has fallen to the zombies, why set up a nuclear fail-safe for Boulder and Irwin? It is kinda odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
You know, maybe it is one of those decisions having been made at a time where Kimmet and guys still believed that the whole situation was not as f*cked up as it seems right now ... Also keep in mind: We actually don't know anything about what might have happened to Africa, Latin America, Europa, Western Asia and such. Although it might be a safe assumptiopn that all of the world was run over, we actually only have good guesses about anything regarding the US and the better portion of the pacific areas ...
Anyway: Regarding the WA-universe Boulder IS the single one bigger settlement of rescued survivors ... Having it going down at the moment is kind of a blast ... And literally a blast, if the nuke gets activated ...
It doesn't strike me as all that odd given the history of Mutually Assured Destruction. It may have been considered a kind alternative to living out the rest of your days as a mindless flesh eater. Your location gets taken over? Well don't you worry about it! Your friends over here have the ability to make it so you don't suffer. One bright flash, and the nightmare ends.
It only takes one, baby. It only takes one, baby. To become over run. Great episode, again. I am guessing Hope has got her vision repaired just in time for all hell to break loose. And the line, something that alot of us have guessed since the first appearance of Ink, 'they are like the soldier versions of us.' (I may have butchered that line). What if the zeds learn that there is a phone number and a code and they try to nuke Fort Irwin? Some of them seem to be smart enough to do that. Or a crazed human that has lost his mind. I imagine a countdown at Fort Irwin. They must evacuate. Boulder is no good, Michael knows the only available safe spot. The Colony. This is where we pick up where we left off at the Colony.
