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Originally Posted by Robzombie
My thought is that Saul wasn't writing until ____ happened. So it's possible that he is dying as he wrote it, but my gut feeling is that Saul didn't like the journals to begin with, so something is MAKING HIM write it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
But I have been wrong before, so he could be dead.
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Originally Posted by awkwardalex
He's not dead till the fat girl sings and I'M NOT SINGING damn it! No body no proof of death and so far he's still alive and kicking.. don't make me cut someone up!
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Originally Posted by yarri
I'm wondering if Riley's already been on a mission and something went wrong. Based on Puck's comments, he seems more concerned about her "watching his back", than just an ordinary rookie soldier.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Also, I believe Puck saw Michael collecting the samples. "what the hell are you doing?" "just checking for ID" - Really? He bought that? :rolleyes:
Note to self: find out what "Red Winter" reference is.
Baked Mac & cheese, even better. Yum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
I know, I'm sorry. I don't want him dead either but do you remember all that talk quite some time ago where folks were talking about him dying...around chapter 20-ish (if i remember correctly)...I just think now is the time that it makes sense....Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
Prediction: Lizzie names the baby Saul, in memory of him.
Alright, I still plan on re-listening tomorrow, but did I hear that the chinook was going from LA to Boulder straight? Like non-stop? I haven't been on the forums much because of the usual three (family, work, education), but this got me thinking.
I must re-listen tomorrow morning anyway. I was taking a test while doing the once-over.
By the way, I love the tone of this episode. It has an old-time radio drama feel. Kind of reminded me of when my dad played some old radio mystery dramas when I was a kid.
Hi there,
another 2c:
Yeah, it would be down the same road a second time. And I partially agree: Because Long and the other guy are locked down in the Chinook, a zombie-attack on the Chinook-crew would require other zeds to intrude the Chinook, unless (!) the wounded soldier has turned into something pretty strong - like into another little one as what happened with Roman; sorry for stressing that: We don't know in what particular way Roman was wounded and infected in order to mutate into a little one; again the question: would the scratching with the fingers be sufficient to infect someone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
And remember the little one/Roman(?) dashing in the metal-door of the school in chaper #30. Now, I guess inner doors of a chopper won't be much stronger then that, because of weight and stuff ... So how unlikely would it be that the crew within the chinook would have to deal with such a nasty situation of at least one Zed from the inside?
Pinstripes is a really far-fetched wild guess only acknowledging his intellectual development or skills, but not accounting for his base - the hospital. But what about a smart one trying to grab the chinook and to get into it? Still far-fetched ...
About temperature and Zeds: OK, L.A. is 'warm' in winter - especially compared with the regions around Fort Irwin. I did not consider that. Still the very beginning of #33 shows us that Zeds still react to noise and sweat-bombs near Fort Irwin (Barstow/ Newberry Springs) in this cold time of the year. Their decreasing number and/ or activity I would not be connected with the temperature, unless they maybe hide in warm places like humans do. Also Skittles told us that they eat each other and thus decrease their numbers and/or activities.
All the best!
Liam
I think she has as well. I meant to imply another chance at combat. I agree she went out at least once and pissed off puck in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor
My first thought with this episode was: "RILEY YAY! :D" then "don't put Riley in a corner! :mad:"
From what I understand, her behavior started to get in her way. Last time we saw Riley she was bitter and drunk, that never build a shiny soldier (specially one who never had a military background). So my guess is that she's a crappy soldier mostly because of her new and VENGEANCE NOW personality. And second, maybe she's not doing so well without a bow. It's a shame, really, because she's such a badass with what she knows and everyone else who never saw the Legolas Action Scenes seem to look down on her.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Who wants to be an officer?! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
The start of the episode, when K.O.D.I. was doing its thing, is pretty amazing. The first time I heard it I was sure it was taking place in the turret of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the loud servo-motor sounds, the distant sound of tracks turning, the muffled radio sound. Once I knew what I'd been hearing I re-listened, and it was amazing how vividly the sound illustrated the story. The sounds of K.O.D.I. deploying, the sweat bottle breaking, the biters approaching and the explosion. Brilliant work.
I do have a couple of questions regarding K.O.D.I. How did it deploy the explosive that killed the biters? Was it the K.O.D.I. that was damaged, or was it Michael's HMMWV that was damaged because it was parked too close?
Anyone notice how Michael seems nicer and calmer? I thought he was going to flip out on Puck when talking about using more K.O.D.I.s but he didn't. Every time I thought he was going to snap at someone he didn't. Was even patient with the new recruits.
The biggest change I notice was that Michael used the word ZOMBIE!!
I couldn't catch his exact words very well. Did he say, 'Even us zombies don't want to be there.' when talking about the cold front in Boulder?
It would be quite the plot twist if the Colony was on the way to Boulder and thats where the helicopter crashed....it could leak an infection to the Colony, along with puzzling the mass into thinking zombies learned how to fly helicopters....
It must be a relief to not be the top dog in charge of everything. Sure Michael still has a lot in his hands and a bunch of responsibilities, but there's someone above him. Less pressure and more military power behind his back gives the guy a chance to be calm and accept the zombies.
Not sure how much to read into this, but right after Michael says "This is not good"...it sounds like the other end of the radio says "They're back?" before he says "Something's wrong"....at first listen that's what I heard, and just assumed Michael wasn't within earshot of the radio to hear the "They're back?" question
But upon further listening I guess it's Michael picking up the radio and the guy on the other end saying "You back" or "Come back?" to Michael.
Just clarifying for my own sanity
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Originally Posted by Tales from Valhalla
I think you're right. In Season One he often expresses frustration at being responsible for everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rxlidAR3FwQuote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Ha ha. A new entry into the Museum of Misheard Dialogue.
That's ok. I heard Michael ask Puck, "Hey, can you get me passes?" after Puck throws away his origami. I thought, 'Passes? Do they get to go into town in Barstow or Yermo? Are they cruising for Zombie chicks?'Attachment 2134
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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I believe it was,"Even *the* zombies don't want to be there."
It sounded like Michael hesitated on the z-word.
When the show started I could almost imagine Gordon Freeman walking through the destroyed labs in Half- Life
That was way to quiet to be inside a BFV... I'm guessing that the KODI is a Talon EOD robot. Those things are pretty BA since you can even put guns on them and with the SWORDS system you can put a lot of guns on them LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
To go along with the whole Saul Talk that was going on earlier;
I haven't been on the forums since before last episode and I just listened to Ep. 43 of WND and didn't hear anyone mention this at all, am I the only on who heard Saul get shot at around the 15:55-16:00 min mark right before the switch to Vic's POV? I swear I heard a voice say "Guardian over there!" then Saul going "Damnit!" then the gunshot then the transistion to Vic and Lizzy. My thought is that the Maller Guaridans saw him and CJ and got the jump on him.
I know that he talks to Lizzy on the radio but I assumed he was just wounded
I hear what you're talking about but that gunshot sounded awfully close. Not from a distance like a guardian would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
Hmm.
Everyone has covered the majority of the talking points already from this one. I'll just touch on one small detail.
Knowing there's an issue with the Chinook and getting the information about people not buying the tales from la point to one thing(in my mind)....kimmets niece was/is turned by one of the little ones, therefore, a la Roman....is will likely go that direction...hence, proof of la's "weirdness"....best go find that chopper Mikey...
Great episode! I wonder if maybe the Mallers shot down the helicopter? Scratch could have noticed and assumed Michael and Pegs. That could be what triggers the Fort to go investigate and find the Colony right where we left off at the end of Chapter 32. Best bet though is the Soldier turned and took out everyone on board and crashed near Boulder, and with defense relaxed at Boulder due to winter and possibly a slowdown in zombie activity, the Zombie leftovers from the crash make their way to Boulder and that is where we get "Red Winter".
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Originally Posted by Kc
Ring knockers!
Thank you, thank you. I'm here 'til Thursday.
I think it's unlikely the Mallers had any interaction with the Chinook. Its path to Boulder wouldn't have taken it anywhere near the Colony. Also, this drama with the Chinook took place days before the events from the last several Chapters. While this is happening Victor and Saul, along with Glenn and Pete, are hunkered down at the school, waiting for CJ to come get them. f the Mallers had dealt with a helicopter from Fort Irwin a week or more earlier it would have been big news and even the Colony residents would know something was up.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPaul
Hi there!
Who do you refer to with 'la'?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
@IamPaul and CabbagePatch:
Yep, the chopper-situation takes place a lot earlier then the new war within The Colony. The chinook is the same that retrieves/ rescues the soldiers from L.A. in chapter #30. That happens more then a week before Victor infiltrates The Colony, because between these two events Saul and Victor find the dead soldier, meet Glenn and Pete(?), bargain with CJ about getting into The Colony in order to rescue Lizzy, need about a week to observe The Colony and find a best way in, and finally after Victor enters it another day for the final preparations to enter it.
All the best!
Liam
I think 7oddisdead meant L.A.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
thank ye.. seemed obvious to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilydragon
If I remember correctly, in WND #43 Nikvoodoo went on and on about how it's not going to suddenly change to Fort Irwin. It's just like what happened with Chapter 19 all over again!
Good ep, interesting ep, and yeah it did remind me more of old-time radio, simply because a lot of the episode was chatter between Michael and Puck. Interesting at the hints about Kimmet not being such a great leader, I think the comparisons to Durai are inevitable but warranted. Also surprised at how apparently bad of a soldier Riley is, when she's otherwise been tough as nails. We'll see how that develops.
Not exactly sure what to make of the Chinook, asides from that it's a really interesting plot point, so props KC. It could go in so many different ways, it's really impossible to actually predict from our current standpoint, but yes it seems likely that it did crash. I'm not sure if Boulder's going to get infected - remember they maintain a strong defence there. Unless you do it 28 weeks later style which is a direction I really hope it doesn't go in... zombies breaking from the inside or tearing a safehouse apart has already been done once in the tower and once in CJ's tower... do we really need it to happen again?
Then again, we've seen this whole zombie situation seem to diminish in importance - what with the relative safety and fortress-like nature of Ft Irwin and Boulder, it seems hard to really be concerned about Pinstripes, a zombie horde or the other issues which we still haven't had answered - Michael's arm and Randy, although those two, like Kalani being the rat, are probably a case of the most plausible case being the correct one. Regardless, Randy must continue to have some significance - otherwise why would he have popped up again? Maybe it's all just to do with Michael's psychology than anything else.
The point is that something needs to happen. What happens with the Chinook is really going to change this story, a lot. Keep in mind we still have 16 more chapters in this story; what on earth is going to happen? How is this end game going to be constructed? We're in the lull right now, and there's going to be a lot more complication before we get the scene set for the final act in mid-late season 4. My feeling is that the structure of Ft Irwin and Boulder must be threatened, because we are far too safe right now. The Mallers also need to be made relevant again - they are relevant on the personal but not on the grand level. They're relevant to Saul, not really to Michael. How can we reconcile revenge for Angel with putting down Pinstripes? Even more fundamentally: how do we resolve this tension between the human element of the story and what has increasingly become a military/thriller element? Unless one subordinates itself to the another, thus the theories of the Mallers being wiped out and Scratch being killed in Season 3, so we can concentrate on killing Pinstripes in Season 4. The thing is though, that KC has always said this is a story about people, so I just don't see that happening.
I have extreme confidence in KC in being able to reconcile these issues, otherwise he wouldn't have set it up like this (and keep in mind in the WND post-season 2 interview he said that they have the story all mapped out, and has repeated so several times). I am unsure of how it's going to happen, but damn am I going to enjoy watching it unfurl.
Darn you KC for the Johnny 5 reference. When I heard that, I thought "I haven't seen Short Circuit in a long time", then flipping through the channels I saw it was on. Now I can't get this out of my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA9WhYnsD_4 Which makes me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-tUk805urg
Hope there's never a Rick Astley reference.
Yeah yeah yeah. I was wrong. Blah blah blah. :pQuote:
If I remember correctly, in WND #43 Nikvoodoo went on and on about how it's not going to suddenly change to Fort Irwin. It's just like what happened with Chapter 19 all over again!
Hi there,
Well ... Actually your two references are kind of vague ... What we had so far: Almost anytime Zombies coming from the outside and dealing with the situation inside. And we had it only once so far that a Zed spawned within The Tower, the Tommy-incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by fridginators
Now, I predict that the captain in the chinook turns into a Roman (compare: Roman) and attacks the chinook from the inside. Would it be the same thing as with Tommy? Short: No.
Long:
- Tommy was wounded by a bomb and afterwards splattered with Zombie-goo, what resulted in his infection and let him turn; the captain was attacked (wounded?) and severly harmed by a little one; I guess (!) that this might be the same as with Roman, therefore the infection happens.
- Tommy was in the free and turned in the face of his friends and aunt; the captain is locked away.
- Tommy was shot by Burt and was not yet able to attack anyone; if the captain turns, he may break free within the chinook, because we know from the elementary school that the little ones are a lot more powerful then regulars and we don't have any idea if soldiers within a flying chinook would you deadly force on a freshly spawned little one.
True: I guess and predict a lot; and maybe, if not probably, I am totally wrong. And yet: just imagine I could be right about this one; would the attack from the inside really be the repetition of what we had earlier so far? Well - doesn't look to me that way ... At least I don't recollect any situation from the WA story so far being barely similar ...
I am pretty sure season four will have a major focus on Inglewood and Ground Zero as well as on pinstripes and especially the little ones. Fort Irwin prepares for it with Johnny 5; also we have the confirmation that the chinook-mission was about searching a "safe" place in L.A. for future activities, too - at least as I understand it so far ... Therefore pinstripes won't come to Boulder or Fort Irwin, not even to The Colony ... The heroes and survivors will deal with him in L.A.!
Some loose ends, and Kc has a plan to go on with the story; no clue though, if he is going to connect all loose ends again ... I am pretty excited about what is going to happen.
All the best!
Liam
I meant more about an infected getting loose in Boulder. And I guess yeah it's not directly comparable, but I guess it's just a plot element I don't really care for.
And the comments about prediction weren't aimed at you, they were just a general statement about the fact that we really know nothing at the moment about the future of the Chinook. It will be interesting though.
Hi there,
@fridginators: no offense taken. I am a fan of lively discussions, though. ;)
Agreed: Imagining a huge security threshold in Boulder it would be kind of odd, if an outbreak takes place in Boulder and thus risking the lives of 150000 survivors ... And I would not want to see it coming. But up until now I don't see any way to reconnect with Pegs, Datu, Hope, and Kelly; also I am not sure, if they are of any story-value anymore anyway. In #33-1 Michael has a good point about them not keeping in touch with him ... Does this aim at the prospect that these four characters are out of WA (for now), or is it maybe the preparation for a kind of more "personal" conflict established for some interesting conflicts in the future?
If Kc manages to get a (small) infection to Boulder - something that could be prevented from spreading all over the place, Michael, Puck, and maybe Riley would have a good reason to get there and reconnect with former friends - especially since we know that the Boulder-soldiers are kind of inexperienced soldiers.
Trying to grab all the opportunities we have at the moment I have no clue about what to expect and what to behold as more or less valid ... I think, no, I hope #33-2 will offer us some direction ...
All the best!
Liam
Yeah we know about as little as we did about the future as we did after Chapter 25 honestly - keep in mind how little this part of the story has been developed so far, save for the general summary of what's happening in the world.
I'm 99.99999999999999999999999999999% sure that Pegs, Datu, Hope and Kelly have not been written out of the story. Michael and Pegs is a conflict that needs to be resolved, Scratch needs to come close to killing Pegs, Hope has to have some plot significance (otherwise there is absolutely no point of her being alive, save for Datu's peace of mind) and Kelly REALLY needs to get laid.
Perhaps this is just the calm before another storm? Just like yourself, I'm very positive we haven't seen the last of Pegs, Datu and Kelly, but this is WA, and I'm sure there will be some heart swallowing moments as everyone is on their way to reunite..Quote:
Originally Posted by fridginators
I'm looking forward to it, but at the same time, dreading the possible outcomes :P
Yeah, well ...
although this ia hidden in the ambiguity of my last posting, I wouldn't want to bet on Pegs, Kelly, Hope and Datu not showing up again. On the one side there is the Pegs-Michael complication, then there is Hope with her relations to Datu AND Tanya, and not to forget Pegs as the ultimate motivation for Scratch nuking world and shit and whatnot ...
DeadPixel: Yes, calm before the storm ...
All the best!
Liam
And my guts tells me: The chinook on its lost course to boulder is the key to bring people closer to each other again ... ;)