let's say she did start to turn, he would undoubtedly have several moments to get o her and kill her. also, the zed are pretty good about capturing when they want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
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let's say she did start to turn, he would undoubtedly have several moments to get o her and kill her. also, the zed are pretty good about capturing when they want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
"Sometimes its best to let a sleeping rattlesnake lay." my grandfather taught me that...Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
This in an interesting idea. I have a couple of thoughts around this.Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
1.) Pinstripe has not exhibited fear of any person or group till this point. Why now? Why CJ?
2.) If the turned Zs answer to Pinstripe (I don't think we have seen anything to contradict this) I would assume he would want to turn intelligent people such as CJ and utilize them to accomplish whatever his goals are.
I kind of get the feeling that somehow CJ and Lizzy will be in danger at the same time and Saul will have to make a decision on who lives and who dies. I think someone made a comment somewhere, I forget where, that out of everyone Saul has it the best, he has his girl, his mom, and his dog. In the end I think Saul will end up losing big.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Or Lizzy ends up dieing and CJ and Saul raise Lizzy's baby. :p
Couple of things, firstly to re-iterate CJ's hotness, it's important, which is why I mention it again.
Also, I think it was discussed that CJ could have been a guard, did she show ink some kindness?
Also Also, I have my suspicions that the baby isn't going to come out of any of this well.
How do you know she's hot?Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
why would any prison guard show any inmate kindness ?
I'll keep hoping that Saul and Lizzie's baby survives.
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Originally Posted by Stuv
In the animal kingdom the pack answers to the Alpha as long as the Alpha can hold the pack the Alpha rules the pack. The alpha can be defeated by another alpha.
The Zeds act with pack mentality. We can all agree that Mr Stripes is the baddest mother fucker in the pack at this time and there for is the Alpha. I stand by my idea that CJ might be a person that if turned could take him on and take him down.
How do you know she's hot? -Because she looks exactly like the actress who played her, and strong women are hot! Obviously Riley is still my number 1.
why would any prison guard show any inmate kindness ? - my good friend was a prison guard, he had to keep his wits about him, but he was often decent to the prisoners, in some cases it was the best way to get the best out of them.
I'll keep hoping that Saul and Lizzie's baby survives. - me too, but I have a worry that the human race is doomed.
How do we know she looks like the actress? Is there new art work for CJ? If so link me please I'm dying to see it I love CJQuote:
Originally Posted by VEE
I'm not sure it would go over well in an American Prison to be nice to a maximum security prisoner with mental health diagnosis as long as he was and a history of killing people in ugly ways.
Humans are alot tougher then you'd think. We'll survive.
How do we know she looks like the actress? Is there new art work for CJ? If so link me please I'm dying to see it I love CJ - in my head, she does.
I'm not sure it would go over well in an American Prison to be nice to a maximum security prisoner with mental health diagnosis as long as he was and a history of killing people in ugly ways. - my friend looked after britains most dangerous criminal, not on his own of course, guy called Charles Bronson! Not sure of the spelling. He had a film made about him. Who knows what kindness one might pay, it might not even seem like one to us, but in their world, the smallest thing might be considered a kidness, doesn't have to be much.
more thought i give to CJ...more i think im gonna go with the "shes from the mental hospital" idea...not so much because i believe it wholeheartedly, but just because someone on here needs to take that angle with it. if you examine the things we know about her with that mindset...it makes sense. her paranoid behaviour, her "breakdown" as mentioned by sean...could the secret files she had stashed in the wall safe be her hospital records?..its def. possible, in this scenario at least...ink leaving her because he recognosed something within her...etc. relisten to her parts with the mindset of "this woman is batshit crazy" and it makes sense...in a weird, kooky sort of way. ;)
I don't know. It still sounds like your two-timing Riley for the new hottie on the block. Do the people on the Riley thread know yet? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by VEE
Just a thought that could support the mental health facility worker idea. CJ knows how to fight, which led to speculation she could be a cop or a corrections worker. Mental health workers are commonly trained in unarmed combat in order to protect themselves and control their patients. I was putting together a class on self-defense for health care workers, and every single expert suggested to me was from the mental health field.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Yeah, I don't think there is anything at all "crazy" about CJ, no way. Having a break down doesn't make you crazy. Shes a pro of some sort, I doubt she's a prison guard, but she may have had some connection with the hospital....I really dont know. She has some experience with weapons as she knows what "mechanical zero" means (armed combat), yet has the confidence for physical combat (takes on Saul)....and she seems to not be a slacker of any any sorts....shes got her shit together, maybe not perfectly but its working for her...My money is on her being current or former military, maybe a reservist like Michael??
Stranger things have happened...#kalanirunsstairsfast
I'm just making sure we have all the bases covered...i Like the sarah Conner angle
Hay, I just had a thought. I remember somewhere people were saying she had a thing with Sean from the Colony. What if she had a thing going on with pre-zombie Randy instead. You know the guy Michael got killed or something like that at the water works. It would be a great way for Michael to recount that story. The he would have a death match with CJ for leadership of the clan.
I dont really understand the argument that CJ has Poor Execution skills. She does tend to take the backseat when it comes to most missions, more of a, let the other guy handle this, kind of deal. But that could be explained by simple self preservation. Is the argument because she couldn't protect her tower? If so I can understand why that didn't work. When Ink tried to take Michael's tower they barely got out of it alive. I don't think it has anything to do with execution of a plan when I doubt CJ even realized Ink existed at the time.
And I'm not sure about the whole deal with Ink leaving her alone out of some memory of her. And Im not really sure It has something to do with him not thinking he could take her either. Ink is a pretty smart Zombie. And He has been shot before without having much of an effect on him. I think If he wanted he could have Taken CJ. I think like someone mentioned before he left her alone out of some kind of Torment, i think someone said leaving her in her own prison?
I LOVE the character of CJ she survived by herself for months she single handedly ran a fortress and can handle a sword! YAY! This is kind of terrible but if I was saul as soon as I joined the fort I would have been like lizzie,who the hells that? Baby what baby? Im sure its fine.
Just occurred to me...perhaps she was a hitman for the family like Ink (Bill Roberts) was and that has something to do with why he let her go....well actually prob not....she said that all she had at home was her sword and I'm sure an enforcer would have more than that? Doesn't account for her apparent skills in planning/organizing either...so...okay....I'm sticking with her being prior miltary service, specifically an officer, and can't realy guess anymore as to why he left her, other then they had other targets/things to do...
True but that wouldn't account for her use of choke holds ( generaly a BJJ thing ) or the fact that she can handle a katana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
fOR THOSE THINKING THAT cj MIGHT BE SWAT/POLICE, oops caps lock my bad....I think she would have had her service pistol with her and not just a sword at home...just saying.
Ladies, you might not get it but to us guys, we know CJ is hot, lol.
As for her sword it is not a Katana. Saul asks if its some kind of "ancestral sword you got trained on", were CJ replies "Katanas are Japanese, I'm Chinese you ass. I just know how to use it" implying that its not a Japanese Katana. Although the dialogue kind of doesn't make sense as he didn't ask, "is it a Katana". So its neither an ancestral sword or a Katana, but IMHO a sword that she had been trained on. The fact that she can do hand to hand combat and has a sword to me just means that she just has martial arts training....you can get sword training in most major/minor cities...I think it was just a hobby of hers. Although Saul calls her "crazy Katana chick" I don't think it means shes using a katana, he's just bugging/teasing her.
Her use of it it does not show a high degree of skill anyways as she didn't know to avoid thick bone or perform a strike without getting it stuck. She just knows how to use it again probably through some basic martial arts training.
I agree and think that this collectively negates the S.W.A.T and mental Heath background theory's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
Oh, and for the record, because i want my cookie when they get handedout...if CJ is not a a military officer, then my bets are that she was a school teacher. Not saying why right now but, well there ya go.
+1 Internet cookies to you sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
Also I look forward to the details on your teacher idea.
CJ is a very contradictory character from my vantage point. I don't care for her. First she's the lone survivor of the first tower, and then she manages to survive and thrive on her own. She doesn't want anyone to join her but she lets people join her. She doesn't trust them, then she does, then she tries to kill them (tanks). Not even going to bring up her reaction to the two colonists they pick up....she's gung ho about the mission at the colony then she wants to keep Saul from rescuing Lizzy. W.T.F.? She makes me dizzy and I don't like her. She is consistently inconsistent. Yes, she can plan. I'll give her that.
HERACY!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginja
Ehh,well anyway . . .
I don't know about the idea that she didn't want people to work with her then did then doesn't trust them etc, she was skeptical because she didn't know them but after they had showed skill and showed they were willing to lay down there lives for her she decided trust them and let them join her. With regards to the mission at the colony it's simple, she wants the sat-phone. She doesn't want Saul to reunite with lizzie, gung ho at first but when she realised that lizzie was definitely there and definitely pregnant she didn't want to pull off the mission as Mutch.
I'm pretty sure that the sword IS a katana, it's CJ who suggests the word katana, Saul never mentions it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robzombie
It reads to me that Saul is asking if it's an ancestral weapon and CJ is (in other words) saying "No, you FOOL, this is a katana, which is Japanese. I'm Chinese! That means it's not my ancestral weapon, I just know how to bleedin' use it!"
But...but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginja
...she likes showing her boobs off :D
"You came here when she was so close?" Only CJ could think of these things with her femoral artery split open.
I also loved her morphine high voice "Oh get a room!" but then you remember the wound and it makes it even worse.
For someone so smart to be able to be on the radio planning while drugged she has to know what the end result of a tourniquet is. :/
I think CJ is just a control freak. If I wrote the story I would make her the only child of a ex-Navy seal who treated her like a son. Dad would have taught her to hunt fish & fight. I guess she made her living as a martial arts instructor at her father's Dojo.
My previous opinion still stands even after the last episode. I don't like CJ and I hope she bleeds out.
My latest thought on CJ is that she's pretty much done at this point. She's either knocked out on morphine in the hospital when the attack commences on the Colony in Chapter 35 or she's in the SWAT van going out the gate and into the teeth of the attack.
I mostly want her to be driving the van packed full of explosives to shred the wave of baddies swarming in on the Colony. (cue Slim Pickens riding the bomb in Dr Strangelove....)
CJ is a tragic character.
I think that two statements are true:
(Quote from Casino Royale): Why is it that people who can't take advice always insist on giving it?
Respectively, this one is a more suitable paraphrase: Why is it that people who make good plans eventually don't stick to it?
My thoughts on CJ. She is going to survive. She will have something to do with the next season. the reason I say this? She can no longer destroy her own plans.
CJ has the potential to be a great leader, and if she survives this fight she can continue making plans, putting people into motion, and not doing something dumb to screw it up herself. She isn't able to execute her plans leaving people with better records than hers do all of the dirty work. she can continue with her legendary planing, but won't be able to execute much of them. Therefore fixing her piss poor execution problem.:)
I tend to agree with your reasoning on this. Personally, I would love to see her in Season 4. It'll be really interesting to see how she manages to make it out, though...Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixTheLastJumper
A thought just sparked in my mind. Scratch is one of the few living people who had close contact with TOWTM. He and his minions had her dead to rights but didn't finish her off. I wonder if we'll have something similar in the Colony in the finale? Hmmm...
Well right now she is hold up in the hospital with Lizzy and the injured. We all know that Saul is not going anywhere without Lizzy. I can see CJ pulling the "you owe me" card on him, or the hospital could be where they hide. Get enough people in there and (if the two big guys are down) it is a place that is easier to defend than the entire colony.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
Damn fine point. The hospital could be (if Lizzie stays there it will be) the fall back point once the walls are breached/become indefensible. So CJ will be in the vicinity for whatever cavalry arrives... If it arrives at all....Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixTheLastJumper
Too right! I think we ought to start a betting pool on who is gonna eventually put Scratch down. And an over-under on which episode it happens in....Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixTheLastJumper
I think you've given me a great idea, my friend.... :cool:
Start it up man! I'd throw my lot in!Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba