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My question though: Would the Colony actually pose a threat to Irwin? Priority to bring the Colony into the fold, sure. But I don't think they are a threat to Irwin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Now a threat to Irwin-ites in the LA area.....oh hell yes.
I agree, there's no immediate threat to Fort Irwin from the Colony, now. But even in post-apocalyptic times no government is going to want to let a potential rival grow in its back yard. Given time, and the sheer volume of high tech weaponry sitting unsecured at sites throughout Southern California there is a lot of potential for future conflict. At some point the military is going to need to secure those resources, lest they face the specter of Mallers armed with cruise missiles or even nukes.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
So, Saul and Lizzie have been separated for roughly 5 months (or, at the time Saul discovers Lizzie's condition it's been about 4 months. As pregnancy goes and 'showing' anything less then 4/5 months, she wouldn't be showing enough to be called 'not so skinny'.). If Scratch has been protecting Lizzie since she was almost raped, I don't see much of a chance that the child could be anyone's other than Saul. So there is my vote for that.
My vote for Saul rocketing down to the colony is a definite 'yes' especially if he believes that the baby is his. There is no way that he's going to sit back and let her stay there with his kid.
I'd like to think that's not the case. I'd like to think that someone (CJ) will be able to speak to him on a level he will listen to. Victor can certainly bring up the past against him to make him think it through.Quote:
Originally Posted by random_highjinx
Wonder if Glenn and Pete know about Angel....
Not enough of a threat to roll in and take over the base, but like you said they could do a hell of a lot of damage to any missions in the L.A. area. I t just seems like basic common sense not to leave a wild card like that floating uncontrolled.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
And doesn't it just feel right for the tables to be turned and have the Mallers under siege for a change?
How long before Pete goes to Fort Irwin, and has his tearful reunion with Nurse Britt?
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Originally Posted by Eviebae
Who got Lizzy pregnant
What will happen between Lizzy and Saul
Did one of the Maulers get her pregnant
High tech weapons aboubd,, yes, but very few technicians to operate those weapon systems. A destroyers a nice place to hide, but operating a VLS system, or even a modern five inch gun is going to be a challenge without instruction, not to mention a lot of these systems have sat, unmaintained, and likley powerless for months at this point. Irwin and The Colony are a signifigant distence away from each other, and likley even from L.A. And the mallers don't have flight capabilities. While evacuation of a kniwn civilian population would likley be one of Col. Kimmit's primary functions, taking a fotress gaurded by ruthless men with signifigant firepower is something else entirely. Especially as the onlg way to get there and not lose half your assault force in the process is by air. And thats a lot of precious aviation fuel, and thats throwing a lot of men and women at a wall. While I imagine they'll be dealt with, neither side had the capability or supply line to mount a successful attack on the other.
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Originally Posted by Privateer
Ironically, it might be news of Angel's capture by the Mallers that prompts a rescue effort to the Colony, given that an officer is now in what would be a POW situation. This, of course, assuming that none of the Irwinites gets news that Angel is already dead. My guess is thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
- Glenn/Pete will fill the Dunbar crew in on who has been captured at the colony
- that some of those people will be from CJ's old crew
- and she will want to help spring them
- then Saul is going to communicate with Michael via satphone and tell him the intel about Lizzy, Burt, & Angel
- and Michael is going to push Kimmet to rally a strike force or something to free them
And if Kimmet says no, this might actually be the dividing issue in Michael's antigone situation, where he is forced to decide between 'law' and 'family'.... ultimately disobeying orders by opting for the latter.
Seriously! So far they have laid two sieges to two different groups, BOTH desperately short on ammo. What kind of luck is that? So unless they found another Locked n'Loaded down there, it looks like the Mallers are still going to be short on munitions... It seems the largest store of guns left in LA is probably locked away in CJ's vaults at Dunbar Tower....Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
Question for you millitary guys: What kind of force would the Army send in to attack the colony? Are we talking like a small strike force of commandos, or what? I really don't know anything about millitary strategy...
Yep, and I think that Bricks' good side is going to win out and he will end up betraying Scratch in a key moment: perhaps by being the one to kill her in the end, or freeing Burt, or something like that. I see a shift in loyalties very possible for the big guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I'm sure Scratch ordered Bricks to be Lizzy's bodyguard, and the baby is Saul's for sure given that Tardust never actually got his sausage in the oven...
Shudder for the Week: I was wondering why Scratch would be protecting Lizzy and her baby, and it occurred to me that maybe she has been farming babies to sell off to Ink as experiment-fodder... Highly unlikely, of course, but if true, that would make her about the evilest female villain in all of literature. :cool:
Constitutionally speaking, that's a good idea, to have a civilian governing body that the military answers too. That's assuming that there is enough of the government left or enough people qualified to fill in positions to support the Continuity of Operations Plan. That is also greatly dependent on how the White House reacted, how many executive orders were given and weather any of the leadership escaped and made it to secondary and tertiary fallback facilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Trouble is, nearly all the United States Continuity of Operations facilities are back east and have fallen out of communication according to Col Kimmet.
Now, the Post-Attack Command and Control System and the supporting Operation: Looking Glass aircraft have an "orbit" area that stretches from DC to western Montana. Granted that map image is from 1972, but it implies that there may be additional tertiary "fallback" facilities that haven't been disclosed to the public. Montana is within the C&C "bubble" of Irwin... Maybe Irwin is actually in the C&C bubble of... something or someone else.
Now, back to how much was able to be executed before DC was overrun and/or fell out of communication. In the event of a massive attack on the United States, collapse of infrastructure & communications, large scale disasters, ect, there are plans like Executive Directive 51 in place that can be used to attempt to regain control. Some of the powers that can be executed "in the event that the President declares a State of Domestic National Emergency" are like those in REX 84. If those orders were given, it precludes the existence of a civilian governing body. :tinfoil:
Thank you sooo much for that lead. Here I was, thinking I might not have much to contribute after this episode...Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
One would assume that the school was very near the LZ for that chopper and that they would have been scouting near it. For what exactly? Now that the area has been narrowed down a little, I have a few new ideas:
- The California Broadcast Center. That place looks defensible and look at all those dishes!
- Denso aftermarket Autoparts?
- Passenger train rail-yard? The cars here seem to be electric mass transit trains but I think that they would have diesel backup for outages. It would seem that travel by rail might just be the best option, after air. Also more efficient. Granted, it doesn't have go anywhere capabilities, but YOU try stopping a 100+ ton locomotive. :)
- Not to mention the Kinder-Morgan tank farm and the nearby transit facility yards nearby.
Those are the ones that jump out at me and seem to be a reasonable distance from the LZ. Then again they could simply looking for ideal targets of maximum effect for an airstrike.
An easy way to stop a train is to blow up the tracks, and the mallers have been rather adept at explosives, lately. :P
Well, a good question is, what /is/ Kimmit's plan, or priorities. Obviously, protection and rescue of the civilian population, and secureing strategic resources, but... beyond that, he can't well mount an operation against the zombies, and he can't even think of making any area like L.A. 'safe'. Other then keeping Intel flowing for other options, does he (or the government) even have a plan to /advance/, if Boulder and Irwin are the only significant populations left?
Though The Colony or Dunbar apartmentas would both be rather solid spots for a forward operating base in the region, and if you aren't worried about humans blowing up the tracks, its a good point. Train would be an awesome way to travel.
Lizzie's pregnant, so who's the daddy?
Here are some key dates from the timeline:
Lizzie Rescued, Todd killed = May 9
Lizzie & Saul "together" = June 27-July 30
Lizzie captured by Mallers = July 31
Lizzie last seen at Colony by Pete = late November
Current date = December 2 or 3
If Lizzie became pregnent after she was captured she would have been at less than 17 weeks the last time Pete could have seen her at the Colony. Her belly would barely be showing.
Belly at 17 Weeks
http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/a...62&d=133944704
If Lizzie was pregnent courtesy of Saul, she would be somewhere between 17 and 22 weeks when Pete could have seen her. Her belly would have started to become obvious.
Belly at 22 Weeks
http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/a...3&d=1339447048
If Lizzie was already pregnent when she came to the Tower she would be about 28 weeks. Her belly would be quite noticeable.
Belly at 28 Weeks
http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/a...4&d=1339447050
I'm pretty sure this isn't a Maller's baby, reasonably comfortable that it's Saul's, and willing to consider that it could be Todd's.
I doubt the mallers would move on Irwin, it is about 200 miles, and a good portion of that drive is through the desert. And they pretty much used up all of Burts RPG's atacking the tower didn't they? Don't think they would move on Boulder cause I dont think they know Boulder exists, and it is over 1000 miles away.
Here is a thought... Is Edwards Air Force Base going to come in to play? I was stationed out there many years ago and it is quite desolate, but I am sure there would be aircraft on the ground, an abundance of fuel and vehicles, weapons, and it would be easy to see anything coming for miles. They have troops at Irwin, maybe there are a fixed wing pilot or two there?
That depends greatly on several factors:Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
- What resources does Kimmet still have?
- How many of those resources is he willing to throw at them?
- What does he want with the place after the dust settles?
- How much of a threat does Kimmet think it is and does he want to even bother?
The Colony is BIG. His response would need to be meted out to meet that and according to his plans for it. Quite frankly, keep as a FOB or destroy to eliminate the threat.
With a few assumptions on the equipment and personnel, (Infantry Brigade's equipment, ect.) I would perform a three pronged strike comprised of "Commandos" and an armored attack of some fashion bringing with them a contingent of Infantry and air cover with choppers. (Tanks, Bradleys and Strykers) I would send in probably 1/2 the Operators I had and as much armor as I could get my hands on and hit them HARD and hit them FAST. Here is how I would plan it out:
- Recon. Start with satellite imagery if available and on the ground operators once we have a good feel of the situation. Maybe, MAYBE establish a covert LP/OP nearby and try to get a guy inside. On the ground recon would include the usual access points, soft spots, blind areas, choke points ect, but also where the leadership sleeps, "works" and so on.
- Evaluate the ground transportation situation to The Colony. Taking into account Road Clearance, How long is it to get there by track and wheel. Sending a armored convoy even with light road blockages, would alert the Mallers. Going cross-country may be required which would necessitate the use of engineer equipment.
- Operation Execution: I would time the Commando attack to coincide with the imminent arrival of my armor column or when the Mallers are alerted to the its approach. I would have operator teams go in and have some outside on sniper overwatch. The inside teams would have have four priorities and in this order: Kill leadership, secure guard towers & open gate(s), kill resistance, secure civilians.
- If the gate is not opened by the time the armor arrives, they blow it open and enter the compound to secure it.
- Once in the compound, the Infantry dismounts and sweeps to rout out any remaining resistance.
- Re-secure the compound. Especially if the gate needed to be blown.
One important point to this, beside a powerful show of force, is that the attackers must present a uniform presence. Same uniforms, vehicles painted the same color and so on. This will communicate to those inside that it is an "official" response and any of those inside that are "on the fence" would possibly shift loyalty.
He'll have so many tears from seeing her that he could start his water bottle business again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
If any of you are wondering, i just got word from our faithful Scratch Lover (who will no doubt twist scratch into a loving light) is otherwise involved today and we will probably not hear from Osiris today.
He hasn't even got to listen to the episode poor guy.
That's a good point. I wonder how likely the people in the Colony are to side with the Mallers. Most people in the Colony are just normal people trying to survive. They seem to be just trying to keep their heads down and keep going. If the army shows up at their door do they jump ship at the prospect of rescue, or do the Mallers somehow convince them that its a trap to keep em on their side (I kinda got a picture of Dr. Strangelove here when General Ripper had everyone convinced that the people attacking were Soviets dressed as Americans)Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
We're forgetting the pin in any attack plan that involves anything other then choppering in air assault or stealth by whatever special operation assets Kimmet has. Still LOTS of biters there. You move a column of tanks, or armor, or choppers, or anything, you'rr going to end up getting eaten while the folks defending the walls take an easy seige. (But, now that Irwin knows about sweat, a sophisticated decoy systwm could be developed.)
The belly sizes can vary significantly between people but is a good indicator, and there is another hint maybe that the baby might not be Saul's, although again not out of the realms of possibility. Morning sickness doesn't generally kick in until about 6 weeks along, maybe as early as 4 weeks but that is out of the norm. If Saul and Lizzy conceived early on in their relationship then that timing is ok, otherwise it is likely that it is Todd's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
The only other thing to consider is the whole zombie baby affect might have made the pregnancy progress faster, but I am not a huge follower of this theory.
And who ever mentioned Scratch selling babys to the Tattooist: Cruel BUT OMG IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. Why else would Scratch be really damn concerned about a pregnancy (other then being batty!)
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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
I'm willing to think it's Todd's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
But in listening again, pete/greg said,"well she's pregnant right?" He asked so he may not be sure he could be assuming because if he inquired I'm sure he'd get a big STFU, so he could just be assuming and then I think Saul would have a better chance of being the dad.
So this thread is like a bad dream
Talk of dead guys named Todd being daddy's and stuff.....eeesh, I'm out on this one!
I don't think Todd is a possibility. The very latest he could be responsible for that would be May 9, putting Lizzy just over one month from her projected due date. She would have been showing and been pukey before her ordeal at the end of season 2. I understand all pregnancies are different, but even still I have to think Todd is out For story reasons aloneQuote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
I'd like to think it's Todd's simply because Saul has too much good shit going for him in a zombie apocalypse. He has his girl, his mum, his dog all alive and well. Relatively speaking anyway being that Tanya was bitten and we don't know what's come of that yet. He's had way too many chances. He survived in the back of the car. He survived being shot. Then he gets to play happy family when everyone else is pretty much alone. I do understand that he's not actually with Tanya and we don't know how she's doing and that he may not be with Lizzy, but at least as far as we know they're all alive.
A "small strike force of commandos" would be used for smaller scale raids and reconnaissance (which are, if Cpt Fowler is an indicator, in short supply).Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
The assault force that you would use on the Colony would be primarily Infantry with some support from aviators and such. I doubt that there would be any armor support since those would have to travel by land through over 200 miles of clogged highways.
Breaching (blowing a hole in the colonies defenses and walls) would be ill advised, the colony aparantly had a mines surrounding it and if you blow a hole in the wall the zombies are going to rush it once they hear the rukus. The better option would be an air-assault into the compound itself where the infantry would fast rope onto the roofs of the buildings and clear them from the top floors down.
I'm not going to bore you with all the splendor of the FM 7-8 but things that the leadership at Ft. Irwin would take into consideration is the 3-1 golden rule (when attacking have 3 guys to their one), support by fire (either outside the compound or gunships or with dudes hanging out the side of the birds), and having an LP/OP (Listening Post/Observation Post, saul with his newfound sat-phone).
Also a less dramatic way of taking the Colony is to surround them and just drop CS on them until they give up.
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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
That's a stretch... I'm pretty sure the only way that the Mallers would be able to use a cruise missle on Ft. Irwin is to strap it to the hood of a truck.
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Originally Posted by Privateer
I cannot see a reason why Col Kimmet would even want to attack the colony. Sure, Michael could tell him what kind of poopyheads are in charge of the colony, but will he say that all of the residences are poopyheads? I don't think he'll screw over the innocent colonists like that. Even if he was successful in convincing the Colonel that those in charge are jerks it doesn't seem likely that he'll approve of an assault to settle a score for Micheal with out reaching an independent conclusion about the colony.
I think Kimmet would more likely want to:
- Rescue the colonist (From the zombies).
- Offer sanctuary to colonists who want to leave.
- Fortify the colony as a stronghold.
- Leave it alone if it's too dangerous to 'rescue' people who might not cooperate well.
- Look for recruits and or offer amnesty for everything people did while trying to survive because he doesn't have the time or resources to hold trials.
I'm also skeptical of the amount of firepower the Mallers have. Sure, they were able to take the colony but the colony was low on ammo. The Mallers were short on ammo too, at the beginning, and could have raided Burt's shop even more, but surely not enough to fend off an assault from Ft Irwin. Their numbers are probably not that high either. They still employ the colony's 'guardians' to keep watch. Ft Irwin has 2000 on post, 200 training in the box and about 180 in the field.
Briggs does seem like he has a heart and could switch sides. He has stood up for Lizzy a number of times. It seems pretty obvious that he is still guarding her. I don't think she has freedom to roam so she's not escaping. Pete even says that she's seen with the big guy.
I've always wondered who the other women are with the Mallers. Some are obviously slaves but some are part of the Mallers' gang. During the attack on the Arena, a female slave can be heard screaming for help when the dump truck is overrun. On the way to the arena a female driver, other than Scratch, can be heard over the CB talking to the other drivers. Glenn mentions seeing two brunettes when Saul presses him about seeing any blonde women. He may have been talking about female slaves, though. Yet, Scratch also has short brown hair too.
I wonder if CJ is about to learn the fate of Sean.
Will she try to do anything to prevent Saul from attempting to reunite with Lizzy?
What are her plans to rescue SVGP from the school? They need more than just a ride home. There are zombies out there.
Did Glenn take the colony's Satellite Phone?
Anyone get the feeling that Glenn and/or Pete might be sent to spy on SVCj? I don't know if they have loved ones being held hostage like Kalani did, but revenge could be a motive. That would depend on how much they knew Victor knew about the coup and taking the ammo. Glenn says that he didn't believe the things people said about Victor but he was the only one to see him take the ammo, and he even questioned the need for Victor to take so much. When Glenn asks if Michael is still in charge and if the others (Pete even names them despite not having met them) survived, he sounds as if he's probing for info. Glenn and Pete are also surprised that Saul and Victor were looking for the helicopter too. Glenn says, "You came for the helicopter too, huh? It wasn't yours?" (9:19) Then Pete says, "Yeah, we thought it was you guys, you know, Michael and Pegs and that other girl." (9:24) Saul catches on to something and asks 'Who?' but is interrupted by CJ on the radio before he could continue with his train of thought. Now, unless the Mallers told them, they should have no knowledge of the Tower's helicopters. Burt wouldn't tell them, he's tied up and they barely new about Lizzy, so she didn't tell them.
We also know that nobody is free to leave the colony, just as before. Pete says they had to find a way out.
It has been no longer than a week since their escape as Pete say that he saw Lizzy in his bar a week ago.
Does anyone think there is anything significant about Glenn's Winchester .30-30?
I'm not saying it's an immediate danger, but it's a threat. You've seen the documentation and training materials that come with every piece of military hardware. Give a bright man enough time to study the materials and play with the system and he can make any system work, assuming it's in good repair and it has power. Add a system like the Tomahawk cruise missile, that comes in a sealed container with a shelf-life of years, and you have a long-term threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
I don't think there is too much behind his comment about his Winchester .30-30. I think it was more just humorous banter than anything else. The .30-30 is a big old hunting round which isn't too terrible popular now a days (not nearly as common as 5.56 or 7.62x39 or .308). Just like how when you're in a crappy situation you ask for something you know is not available.
Interesting point! Why did they assume Michael was in charge? I thought Michael, Pegs and Kelly kept all the details of the Tower secret while they were at the Colony. And why did Glenn and Pete assume the helicopter was associated with our Tower? The helicopters hadn't come up yet at that point. Were the Mallers telling tales? Interrogating people from the Colony about their experience with the Tower folk? There's something going on here we don't understand yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
This was an awesome episode!! I love We're Alive!
Lizzy confirmed preggers, YEY. I wonder if Glenn still has those cigars that Victor gave him. Pass 'em out. I'm betting that it's Saul's, but there's no way to know for sure until it's born. And even if it's obviously not his (100% white baby) I'm sure Saul would treat it like his own.
Glenn's revelation about what happened to the colony after Michael's escapade took me back. I never thought about the ramifications after they left. The colony was pretty much left on a silver platter for Durai. They went from a bad leader to one that sounded worse but turned out to be a ray of hope only to be blackened out by what I can only imagine was the easiest over throw in history. I think it'll be a MAJOR factor in the liberation of the colony. Saul will want Lizzy back (putting it mildly). I'm sure Victor will want redemption after Glenn's Giga-Guilt-trip. I bet Saul will try and get his group to take a crack at it right away having done recon already and now have 2 who escaped and may know the weaknesses.
However, I would love to see Saul and Victor get Glenn to use the SAT phone to contact Michael, tell him how he let the colony got over thrown by the mallers (insert guilt trip here) who will then tell the commander that there are citizens being used as slaves ("not in my new America, Dammit") who then orders Michael to lead the mission to kill Durai, free the slaves, breakout Burt who then finds Shirley and is used to form a nice new scar on scratch, and they all get picked up just in time by Pegs who hijacked a Chinook to get back to Michael, cuz lets face it, Boulder sucks.
Ok, Long shot.:)
I have a feeling that CJ will not be into a rescue mission at the colony at first but I've got a feeling that when she finds out Sean was there and what he did she'll come around.
Am I the only one who thought the "big guy" could be Burt?
When Saul's talking to CJ for pickup, he tells her to use "one of the up-armored Hummers" Apparently they figured out how to jump start a few of them.
Not so crackpot, I was thinking the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Shaun of the Dead reference? Although I don't think that was a .30-30.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
It would get the job done, in a SHTF situation, if I couldn't get an AR/M-16 or AK that would be my rifle choice.
so a few more bits after a couple relistens...
i really like glenn, he sounds like a lot of the old guys who would sit around in dennys drinking coffee when i was younger, but the question i have is; when saul was trying to sell glenn and pete on victor as a good guy..he mentioned his mom...why would he not say her name? just because the colony is a big place..does not mean they would not have heard of the hospital staff...the opposite i would think. knowing tayna is sauls mom could have diffused the situation much quicker i would think.
so we are kinda thinking along the lines of why would ft irwin need/want to go after the mallers/colony?..well assuming michael has any inkling of durai going down there..what do we know the mallers are capable of with semi limited resources? they managed to pull off destroying the arena with a half-dozen tankers and some well designed explosives...they pretty much destroyed the tower by simply using the towers resources and a well placed rpg shot...perhaps not a threat in the traditional sense, no....but when left to its own devices, a creatively criminal mind can really work some magic..(i secretly think tardust is awesome, or would be if not for the rapey stuff.) so yea..a minor threat is still a threat.
just thinking about all the twists this "love Quadrangle" could take is making my brain melt, seriously, think about it..
so if saul wants to go after lizzie, how will cj actually feel about it..think back to last chapter, when saul was talking about anime and vic started giving him shit about the cj situation..saul played it off like "its not like that"...well, perhaps for saul..it isnt. perhaps vic was reffering to cj. now, how is cj and her semi-possessive nature gonna take her new boy toy wanting to run off and grab that girl that was thought lost?
so we now have two more colony people who knew sean coming back to dunbar(assuming pete lives that long)..When(not if) sean comes up..how will cj react? and im not reffering to the news of his death. but rather, the fact that all this time victor knew...and said nothing..
the unknown factor of the lizzie/bricks relationship..to be honest, lets think back to just how quickly liz got over....todd. hell, cabbage put a nice little timeline together in this thread giving dates and all..whos to say she hasnt assumed saul dead and moved on?..(i cant remember if she was still at the scene when the rpg hit the hummer, but i know most everyone else in the story assumes saul/vic did not survive that...was she still there?)...while im sure getting over saul (baby daddy) is a little different than some dude who liked to work on bikes and...yea....that stuff,( i HATE talking about todd)..three months is along time in a situation like this.
ive also been thinking this since part one of this chapter..but since we started a "flash forward" progression in the storyline..it seems perfectly reasonable for us to actually reach a point in this story where lizzies baby is at the least a toddler. (thats quite a jump, yes. but i have a point to this)....many times throughout this story we have seen the use of what i like to think of as "traditional storytelling" elements. what i cant help thinking about is scratch wanting the baby as her own..and in the end..a few years from now. we get a prince mordred thing going, ultimately..the child that was raised to hate him is the one who kills saul..where all others..including the undead have failed. would be awesome....or it is in my head at least.
How do you come to know this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
By read into Scratch the first time she knew that Lizzy was a prisoner. I think it was an act, the last part of the talk where she said that she didn't care what happen to her but Scratch seem to have some sense in her. Also Lizzy is act differently from a person who would be a prisoner. If she was "touched" by Tardust I believe she would she would repulse by the mallers.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
I think you were the only one. If you let Burt wander around, I'd imagine that would result in dead Mallers, and general rebellious feelings among the populace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condor
And don't forget how much more organized Cj was than our Tower. She probably already had Hummers, or found non-military grade hummers and hijacked them.
I gotta feeling that's coming up. Gleen said, "You don't want to know about them (the people they brought with tjem)." I feel like it has to be the fact that Angel was hurt and dying and shot. And that Burt is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mageftw
I just realized something! Saul and Victor had no idea who was on the chopper right? They think that everyone made it who was in the tower.
The helicopters might not have come up yet in the converstation, Im willing to bet that when the mallers got back they were like "Holy Sh*t they had two helicopters!" and everyone in the colony heard that story. I know from past deployments that people talk about things that happen, and finding out the opposing faction had helicopters would be big news.
As for the .30-.30 I wouldn't read to much in to that. Dude is an old man, it is what he grew up and shot all his life. Probably thinks of the .30-.30 like Burt thinks of his Desert Eagle. When I shoot I shoot a .308, all my friends tell me I should get a 7mm, .300 Win Mag, etc. But you grow up with a gun that you like, and that becomes your baby.