Oh wait best line updated:...Riley hell of a shot with a bow [when she isn't drunk]
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Oh wait best line updated:...Riley hell of a shot with a bow [when she isn't drunk]
Oh admit it you saw the video and thought it to.
It is all good..I think they are going to be forced into going towards Saul or the Mallers..he wouldnt want Pegs there anyways. Did Riley and Kelly even say buh bye?
What a nice episode... really broadened the story out in lots of new directions, so here goes:
Here There Be Dragons...
I had this sense of awe come over when hearing about distant places and the fragmented web of humanity that still survives... 150,000 in Boulder? Special Ops Teams?? Irwin as a forward operating base??? Our little story, which started from a little college in Southern LA, has now broadened out to parts beyond... for the longest time, our little map had one little spot of color, surrounded by all white, uncharted, unknown territory, marked 'Here There Be Dragons'... and now that white space is starting to get filled in...
The Outbreak Started Along the Ring of Fire...
So it was Chogidog, I believe, who was the first to first to post here that many of the 'hotspots' Kimmet mentioned were along the Ring of Fire. Even though my first guess at the cause of the outbreak was bio-terrorism, the Ring of Fire thing and the cracks led me to think that maybe the zombie outbreak was caused by some kind of toxic strain of volcanic smog.... A quick listing of the hotspot cities that Kimmet mentioned supports the Ring of Fire / Vog theory:
- LA, San Diego, (2 in SF area), Oregon (Portland?), Seattle, Japan, China, Phillipines. Also add Hawaii to the list.
...Uh, Unless the Outbreak Didn't Start Along the Ring of Fire...
So all looks good for the Ring of Fire thing. However, way back in Ch. 2-3 ("The Two Things"), at 2:23, when they are listening to the TIVO of the news broadcasts about the outbreak, the following cities are mentioned as having 'rioting':
- LA, San Diego, Detroit, Houston, Chicago, New York
So check for the first 2 on the list, but the other 4 cities are not on the Ring of Fire. Also, this news broadcast was made as shit was hitting the fan in LA, so that seems to contradict Kimmet's information that the outbreak started purely on the west coast and then spread east. So which is the truth?
- Could it be that the rioting in Detroit, Houston, Chicago, and NY was caused simply due to panic but not yet zombies?
- And how could the outbreak spread so fast across the country (1 1/2 days, according to Kimmet), if traffic jams and gridlock would keep everybody pretty much locked into their own cities?
Departures
Aaaah, nothing like a tearful departure scene to jerk at the heart-strings... or cause one to retch in disgust, depending on how it is handled. So props to Kc for handling the scene with emotion but without dissolving into melodrama. That scene could have come off as really cheezy if mis-handled...
- So great, a now-single Michael is going to be even more of an emotionally constipated asshole than ever. Thanks, Pegs. Stay away from those flower pots, girl.
- And pretty cold on the part of Pegs, huh? That was a weird relationship from the start...
Who Will the Narration Follow?
I, for one, hope that Pegs & Co. fly off into the sunset, and we don't hear from them again, perhaps with the exception of an occasional letter or shocking news report that Boulder has been overrun. I don't think they will be back, or should. They have fulfilled their role, so keeping them around just to keep the band together is kind of dumb. Remember, the story started with Michael, Saul, and Angel, so I think the narration should stick with those three.
[And yeah, Kc, we all know that Angel is still alive, so quit bullshitting us and get Shane back in the studio, will ya??? You know when even Nik starts missing Angel, you have kept the character out of the limelight a bit too long!]
Tanya Bitten
And last but not least, the Worst-Kept Secret in the Story Award goes to.... Tanya has been bitten!!!! It seems like we called that about 14 episodes ago. So related to that:
- Tanya probably got bit back in the Colony but kept it hidden. In the process, she discovered that she was able to prevent herself from turning by a certain drug cocktail...
- Tanya probably tried the same thing on other patients, but it failed to work, thus making her hesitant to tell others about her new 'vaccine'
- It wouldn't surprise me to find that Tanya had somehow saved Hope with the same drug cocktail...
- ...and, of course, she gave some to Saul when she was treating him back at the Tower.
- ...and now the cat wil be out of the bag, with Mike going to bat for her and eventually convincing Kimmet to recruit Tanya as an Army medical researcher...
- ...Tanya was eventually come upon a workable vaccine, which will end the story with it beginning to be distributed.
Whew! All right, I know it's large, but I tried to make it easy to skim the main points...
I am SURE our Gov. has bunkers everywhere...they would take their families and their teenage daughter boyfriends to in the even of as you said a hell on earth emergency.
DAYUMM...some of you guys write flippin BOOKS on here! I will read it as I can...I cant stare at monitors too long or I get the evil migraine.
Hahahahah Litmaster! I like it! Maybe if we all quote Lit KC will actually see it!
Quote;[And yeah, Kc, we all know that Angel is still alive, so quit bullshitting us and get Shane back in the studio, will ya??? You know when even Nik starts missing Angel, you have kept the character out of the limelight a bit too long!]
I have got so much to say about this episode that I'm going to have to blog it. It'll be too much for one thread. I just... I... this is... aw fuck it.
I was sitting here, thinking about the plane flying off into the sunset, and it occurred to me that I was hoping the plane goes down. It gives Michael a reason to head off on a mission to recover survivors. It also provides the story with that Henry Blake moment that is always a good way to cut a character out of a show without any loose threads dangling. As far as Pegs being rather cold in her decision? Most women I've known have that mechanism that facilitates ending a relationship without tears and screaming (thank God). I think she was simply divorcing herself emotionally in order to maintain composure, while keeping Michael from entertaining the idea that she might simply come to her senses.
I'm going to miss Kelly. She really grew on me. I won't miss Datu. I'm just glad that I won't have to listen to him weep anymore. Jesus, he cried more than Pegs, Riley and Samantha put together.
Hey, welcome aboard! Be sure and pop over to the Introduction Thread and say hi! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheNoelWilliams
Wow... I honestly don't think I have ever turned on a character as fast as I did on Michael... He really turned into a crybaby in this episode! I actually laughed and cheered on Pegs when she dumped him!!! actually makes me miss Angel's whining!
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Go on and cry you little crybaby!
Not much to add on what has already been said, but a couple of things that I noticed.
Interesting about this Box name. Michael said that he had been there, but he didn't know it. It seems likely if there was a general nickname for it, if you had been there you would have heard it.
So, is it possible it was added after the outbreak. If it was there are a few possible reasons that I can see:
- Made to match the Sandbox name.
- Because that is where the newbies are trained.
- Or there is something more out that has meant it gained the nickname.
I also find Michael's wording interesting as the plane flies off with the other. He says "And just like that they were gone. She was gone. And I was the idiot who let her go".
It strikes me that especially that last part, still sounds like someone that is writing about the past with a bit of perspective. The phrasing to me doesn't sound like something he would be writing on the day it happened. And, could this potentially be some foreshadowing and not just a broken heart talking? If things are good for Pegs in her new location, he is only looking back sadly. But if things take a turn for the worse, then this takes on a different meaning.
...Or I have been hanging out with you crack pot theory people too much and am now reading way too much into things.
P.S. If they find Saul again, he is going to be mad that they took Lady! :p
I'm not a huge fan of drama. Even so, this was a good episode. It was nice to finally get some info about what was going on.
I was really surprised at how Michael acted. I figured he'd be upset that the others would leave, but I didn't think he'd try to make them feel guilty about it.
As for the journals, Datu already said he'd continue to write in his. That makes me think we'll get to see some of what's going on in Bolder.
I'm really looking forward to next week's episode. Can't wait to see what happens with Tanya.
I might not be the first one to bring this up but didn't we learn that Europe is possibly compromised from the TiVo in chapter 3. Riots or something like that. As we learned most of the world is compermised. It leaves Canada, South America, Australia, Africa and Russia that we don't know the status of. Multiple hotspots is interesting. It seems to be only big metropolitan areas that are hotspots. Particularly seaside ones. So the leaked gas theory seems a little far fetched now. Giant squids (aka Cthluthlu) therory could still work as only seaborn major cites have been fully confirmed. Virus therory is still viable. Too many variables still to have a source not to mention another season. As a previous post stated the colony has not been mentioned by the military. This chapter. My personal prediction at this point is Fort Irwin is attacked and damaged or destroyed so the tower group can escape ala the colony. This then would force the tower survivors to go back to LA to scavenge for food and other supplies.
I don't think that it is strictly related to the Ring of Fire alone. It is just that that particular area of the planet is, shall we say, a bit more obvious in its seismic activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Houston is riddled with faults and Northwest Houston is apparently sinking.
New York Has a fault right under 125th street.
Detroit & Chicago
Close enough to the New Madrid and Wabash Vally Fault Complex/Seismic Zones in the Reelfoot Rift, that there could easily be undiscovered tangential faults. There could even be undiscovered fault complexes further north, as it has been noted that New Madrid activity is slowing and Wabash Vally is increasing. Like something is moving north.
Point of note: the two big quakes in New Zealand recently were on a previously undiscovered fault. I'd be curious to see what the status of other seismically active areas is in WA. Places like Iceland, the north Mediterranean and the Horn of Africa.
My research into this for the reply and for a fan fic I am working on revealed the Brevard Fault Zone in Atlanta. Cuts right through northwest metro, parallel to the Chattahoochee river and apparently the southeast border of my county. Snap.
Welcome to the forums!Quote:
Originally Posted by kairon00
Chapter 2 you're thinking of. 2-3 right at the end.
One reason that hotspots appear in the cities first is simply because that's where populations are densest and are more likely to have media outlets to cover the outbreak. If an outbreak happened in the middle of a field in Idaho it would take a hot minute or week until the rest of us would become aware of it.
As for the Colony taking over Irwin....I really don't see it. Think of it this way: Irwin is way too far away for the Colony who seems pretty content to stay within their safe confines. Not to mention Kimmet already gave us a way to create the conflict with the Colony/Mallers: They are trying to retake ground. If Irwin tries to retake LA that seems a far more likely scenario to bring these folks together for a good ol' fashioned feudin'.This keeps Irwin safe, and we still have the conflict we're clamoring for!
Not to discourage anything, but "The Box" is just local lingo in Irwin for the Area to the north of the base that is used for training purposes. It's huge. Michael's reaction was my reaction. "Oh? I never heard it called that before", but all the locals do.Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
See, I have been spending too much time with the crack potters. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
"crack potters"...l like it.
Crack?
I hear there's lots of it in Inglewood
Ladies and gentlemen,
We have an official cause for the outbreak: crack cocaine.
Investigators uncovered a drug lab earlier this week, taking several young males into custody that ranged in age from 13 to 47. We are please to report that the suspects were brought in without incident and a cure is currently being distributed to surrounding counties.
Thank you,
World Police.
I've never seen the Coast Guard in a bad light... except when Aston Kutcher is around.Quote:
Originally Posted by phobiarg
In Inglewood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Dang it, Nik beat me to it!
Having spent most of my life in the 303, I was super-happy to hear the posse is going to Boulder. If everything goes up in smoke and they get turned into zombies, at least they can enjoy the gorgeous scenery! That being said, I dislike Pegs and Datu enough that I'm pretty happy to see them leaving. I am also in favor of dropping them entirely from the story except for the occasional update.
Drama isn't usually as fun and enjoyable as it was in this episode! Pegs is a pain in the ass and the way she treated Michael just confirmed it. I think she's been playing with him the whole time. I listen to this podcast for a good story, and her obnoxious attention-seeking distracted me from other things going on. I've got a good feeling that Riley will kick some ass as a soldier, but I don't think she's just staying out of loyalty to Michael. She wants to stay in California because ANGEL is in California (yeah, I'm hoping he's still among the living).
KC really delivered on this episode!
It's ok, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellbringer
Hey! Welcome! Shoot on over to the The Introductions Thread and tell us a bit about yourself! I totallyy agree with you though, let's get to Burt, Angel and Scratch!Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerOwl
Chapter 19 3/3 12:28 Victor says,"Take every bit of the ammo. Don't leave anything behind. We can't take all of the guns but this'll slow them down." Pegs says, "But that won't leave them with anything." Kelly says, " I don't feel too bad for them."Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
This could be from only one of many weapons depots but it looks as if the colony would be shooting blanks.
wow this episode was sad....
Datu and Pegs are gone.... :(
michael is sad, im sad...what the hell??
btw, im curious. now that the story is kind of split, which story interest you the most?
Michael and Riley's? or Saul and Victor's? this is hard because im also split between the two.
this podcast just get better and better :D
edit: also im sure their story will cross path again (and perhaps merge together?) but for now...it is split ;P
I see you like to read!! Cool! Have you read Kings of the Dead? That one is not bad. I cant wait for next J.L. Bourne book! Whats your fav?
Going off of charecter roles that people have mentioned in the past, Hope still hasn't fulfiled any purpose yet, besides being "hopeless". (sorry) I don't think this is the last we've heard of this group. My biggest question is, when is Michael going to tell the Col about Paul/Ink/Pimp-Ass Zombie, and the other types of zombies, and how is he going to react?
Bravo!!
Bravo!!
Don't know about the rest of y'all but this episode moved me emotionally. I was walking my dog while listening to it and confused the poor girl when I started sobbing like Datu and calling her Lady.
About the story
The type of post-apocalytic story changes at Fort Irwin. We've seen and read stories of doomsday focused on a local and personal level with the characters struggling for survival and rescue. They are cut off from the rest of the world, not knowing if anyone else is out there, if there is a safe haven, should they wait for help or venture from their fragile sanctuary in hopes of finding somewhere safer or a more secure form of normalcy. Think of the 'Night of the Living Dead' or '28 Days Later'. Then we have the stories were the characters have a wider view of their situation. They have a better idea of how much the world itself in threatened. Their numbers are greater and they are better equipted for survival and fighting back. "Battlestar Galactica", "Independance Day"...
We have moved from one story to another. Traditionally, the 'small lonely group' story ends with a fairytale-ish they lived happily ever after scene of arriving at a safe haven or walking off into the sunset with the smoldering carcass of a monster behind them. We never learn what happens in happily ever after land unless the monster's carcass twitches (hinting to a sequel).
I was surprised at how much I (and Michael) was disturbed after finally learning the scope of the devistation. It's one thing to suspect that the world has just ended and quite another to learn that it really has. Michael fights to survive in a hostile city, finding safety in an area no larger than a city block. He reaches safety in a santuary the size of a city only to learn that the whole outside world is dangerous.
About Michael's reaction
Michael finally has his meltdown. There are a number of comments on the forums critical of Michael's surprise that he might be pressed back into service once reaching Fort Irwin. This is not a fair critique coming from an audience capable of witnessing this story with the luxury of reason detatched from any personal peril experienced by the charaters. KC has done a wonderful job of writing these characters with multidimensional personalities. Just like real people, when under stress, common sense doesn't always stay at top of one's focus. Since the outbreak Michael had to:
- Protect himself and his soldiers
- Find safety
- Find survivors
- Find supplies
- Fight adversaries
- Find safer place
The drive to achieve each of those tasks, such as finding a safer place, can be so great that very little thought is put into 'What do I do when I get there?'
I knew he wouldn't find it easy to let his friends go. My first thoughts were how could he be so self centered to ask the others to enlist just to stay with him. In any other war families are separated from the soldiers. This would be no different. Then, I thought, 'The nerve of these guys! That's some grattutide! He saves their butts and they're acting like Han Solo loading boxes of Rebel money onto the Millinium Falcon after dropping off the Princess.' But, can they be faulted? Since the beginning, they were looking for safety and rescue. Sure, they fought and even turned into decent guerillas to stay alive. But, they did it with the goal in mind of survival, not to save the world. Michael, understandably, sees them as capable soldiers and commrades.
The Source
I've said it once and I'll say it again. The hows and whys might be revealed later, but the outbreak has some sort of geological origin. Can't say that it is exclusively fault lines, hot spots, volcanos or Digg Dugsbut each of the places mentioned by the Colonel just ain't the most stable places in the world. Even the places such as Houston, Chicago and NY have geological.... stuff going on (Thanks RedShirt). This doesn't mean that the ground must be shaking and breaking Cecil B DeMille-Moses-dropping-the-10-Commandment-style. Just that there is some yet to be revealed connection. Again, there is something about Hawaii's Volcanos that made them 'nastier, meaner' than the one's in L.A.
OK g'night
I just finished listening to the audio versions of "Day by Day" and "Beyond Exile". I have mixed impressions but the stories might have been better if I read them instead. The narrator is horrible. The end of B.E. has me excited for the next book. It seemed to have picked of in excitement near the end of that book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandora
My bet is that the next Maller scene will be with Scratch taking a pair of hot tongs to Angel's testicles....Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Ouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Damnit....I knew there was something I forgot to mention. New thread comin'!Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Gossett
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Originally Posted by Matt Gossett
I know@ I was thinking the SAME thing! But reading your reply it hit me... they want to go back with some force maybe? Cant go scaring them off if that is what Michael has planned.
I think she is the cure, or at least what stops people turning. Perhaps Tanya discovered this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Gossett
She is, after all, called Hope.