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That is probably what happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
Let's assume that Riley and Tanya have been infected, but that neither has turned. That would certainly explain why the military hospital is unwilling to release Riley, and explain Tanya's fear about being examined (her memories of how Gatekeeper treated people with unexplained injuries weigh heavy on her mind).
My guess is that Riley didn't turn because she was drunk and the alcohol thwarted the infection. I am increasingly thinking, as has already been stated in this thread, that Tanya hasn't turned because she is immune.
Remember after The War when we were wondering if Saul was infected because he was hit by the same bullet that hit zombie Tommy? Maybe he was, and he was exposed, but he didn't turn because he's immune too. That could come into play when he and Victor approach Ground Zero. I could see Victor getting sick and having to be left behind, while Saul remains healthy and has to complete the mission on his own.
Just listened to the episode, some original thoughts:
Love hearing about Ground Zero again, one of the things thats intrigued me most in the story, simply due to the minimal amount we know about it. I have to assume the title of the episode will have something to do with Ground Zero as it seems the only logical way it could fit in now.
Good to hear about how Kalani knew about Hannah, although there is still the chance it was just a random red-head at the exchange, so maybe Hannah is still alive.
Finally, for some reason I still refuse to go along with the Tanya/Saul immunity theory, even though it seems most logical (I mean, I refused to go along with Kalani being the rat until the bitter end). I think she is testing some kind of drug on herself and doesn't want anyone to see incase it goes wrong.
Did Lizy record that on her tape though? Saul did pick up her tape-journal ...
I just finished my second listen and I noticed something.
Saul mentioned that when ol' pinstripes broke in to The Tower and they shot him in the chest, they thought he might have been wearing a vest. I don't remember that being brought up before (although it has been a long time since that episode). Now I know that prisoners are often put in a bulletproof vest when being transported from court, so maybe we have another link that Pinstripes and Bill Roberts are one and the same. Of course I've never seen a prisoner being transported with a vest under his/her clothes before but its the only thing I can think of unless Pinstripes is just plain bulletproof.
Can't wait to find out about Ground Zero either. I just can't begin to fathom what they might find. My guess would be some kind of zombie stronghold...but I think that's pretty slim, I'm not actually convinced they will find anything at all.
I hope Burt comes back...but he fell off a zip line...so still think he is dead :(
I'm also trying to think of reasons to get Michael et al to go back to LA. but I can't think of many...if the military would even let them.
Edit: re the vest;
Perhaps pinstripes has realised that they are losing too many and is kitting his most valuable zombies with body armour?
Fingers crossed for a zombie army with body armour and tanks and stuff haha
I was wondering about when Kalani was able to ditch his journal in the desk. Glad I'm not the only one. Heck, if he had time to do it, he should have had time to finish that ONE sentence. Oh dramatic suspense, how much I love to loathe you.
I'm not on board with the immunity theory... yet.
I wish Victor would've opened up more about the Colony to Chinwe but I know this isn't Dr. Phil and he's not into talking that much about that place. Maybe Chinwe will discover his journal and read it or something. Hey, maybe she found it in his backpack and she'll peruse it while the other two go to the suspected ground zero site.
Oh, and on cue, this place was on page 5 by the time I got to listen and chime in.
I doubt there will be a zombie stronghold, but perhaps they'll encounter some "zombies" while walking around in their scuba outfits which would put Saul and Victor in a severe disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bray
As for Burt, maybe he is dead, but whose to say he isn't UNDEAD, dun dun dun. :p
I can't wait to see what CJ makes of the information about ground zero. Notice how she reacted to Victor saying he had never seen any special kinds further south. She was flicking between pages and putting two and two together. I think that she knows more about this than she is telling them. If she only knew about the location of ground zero she wouldn't need to flick between pages.
I took a stab (back on January 30th) at the only way I could imagine Burt still being alive after falling off a zip line with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bray
THE DANGLING BURT THEORY
And here we are, 2 1/2 months later... still no answers. Yeah, thaaaaaanks a lot for that, Kc.
Ever been on hold for so long you just stop giving a shit?
There are people holding onto that theory since august litm. aster....patience young blood
I'm a little bit worried for Vic(ky) and Saul. This title is Last Dying Breath, they are at ground zero in oxygen tanks. Im worried for Frick amd Frack.
Not so much of a theory, more of a comment:
I really liked how the sound of birds was exemplified in the back ground when Saul and Victor were getting their oxygen tanks.
When Pegs and Victor went through Inglewood for the first time, one thing that they realized was weird was that there were no bird noises. I Just love all the attention to detail that KC has.
Bulletproof vest! That makes so much more sense than waistcoat. And why Saul would notice that, or care.
He listened to the tape recorded log she had, remember? At the arena.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
The suspense is killing me!!!
You're aware this one comment could potentially set off a week's worth of speculation that Victor is about to die, right? You did this on purpose.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Z Sniper
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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
But the question is who set of this speculation, the forum or kc?
I just pictur eus all freaking out about stuff that may never come to pass and KC giggling about how insane he has made us.
I'm gonna die????!!!! Goddamn it,....i wish people would tell me these things!
Hee hee hee.... *giggling in corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z Sniper
You are evil,.......*crying in corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I knew it.
Chinwe: "Saul, yours is the blue one in there, Victor, yellow..." So I guess that makes the guy in the chapter image Saul, since he has a blue tank.
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I think CJ is taking notes, rustling the map and calculating how much of her supplies she can spare while asking Saul and Victor about where they've seen special zombies. Her reaction is probably due to her suspecting that the further away from Ground Zero the fewer weird zombies.
sounds like Tanya is having flashbacks when she was taken down south. Maybe she was raped.
Kc, I can't begin to compliment you enough man. We're Alive has really brought a new perspective to me on what art is and can be. I would have never figured an Audio Drama could be so incredible and to think you give it away for free. Many blessings to you and the crew man.
Amazing episode. I felt like I was listening to We're Alive for the first time again. Such a rich episode! I am happy to have the Kalani story over, it was a great story though and from reading around on the forums I pretty much knew it already, although I didn't have any clue that Bill and Kalani had an agreement.
I've been reading this thread so far, and the immunity theory seems very interesting. Could be plausible I'd say. Tanya is a "vet" after all and she has said on occasion that she believes Zombies have more in relationship to animals than humans. Riley has also remarked on the drooling and dripping by the Zombies being closely related to dogs (during the experiment with the sweat jars). So who knows, perhaps Tanya knows a bit more about the Zombies than she's lead on.
I also kind of wondered when Tanya was freaking out if she was somehow trying to get a message across to Michael, like a warning. Like she wanted Michael, Pegs and Kelly to wonder why she had made such a big deal about it...
As for Ground Zero, very cool. I do believe the Oxygen tanks will be allow them to roam around the area safely. Somehow I've just always thought it was about the air, the way Victor was choking and such, the way Pegs got all nauseated etc. Interesting to note the image of this Chapter is Saul (with the blue tank, thank you to the person who pointed this out) and he's carrying his SAW over his shoulder. That doesn't seem like a good way to hold a gun if you are going into unknown territory ...
I think CJ is rad. I love her sense of independence and I also think I recognize a fear of being close to people. I sometimes wonder too if she is like some military dudes daughter or something. She seems to be rather well rounded in terms of skill, combat and weapons (like when she has Saul about his gun). Where did she get these kinds of skills? It can't all be from "anything" for dummies kinds of books.
I'm totally glued to We're Alive again.
Tanya Tanya Tanya. You never get to finish a sentence when you're about to bring up an important point or question (Trying to share thoughts on the animal traits of the zombies with Michael in 22 part 2. Or Hinting that there is something in the journals that might help explain some of the zombies' behavior.) Will we ever get to know what you were trying to tell Michael...uh... us about your zombie theories? Were you giving yourself doses of Vancomycin or Clindamycin. Did you get info on zombie treatment from http://www.zombieworldnews.com/archives/medical/medicalmain.htm Are you really that cranky or is that a slow-turning zombie-tude?
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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Ooh thats right i looked up sauls medication, you can get some bad reactions from that stuff hence it being "last resort"
I subscribe to the "immune Tanya" theory. Maybe she was bitten by the slow turning guinea pig they had at the Colony, and that would explain also her interest in studying the creatures and her panic when she's about to be exposed.
I also enjoyed Chinwe's lines about the oxygen: "You have 25 minutes to go in and 25 to get out".
Might as well said "You have one episode to go in, cliffhanger, then another episode to get out." :D
When Tanya meets Michael at the colony, he references a bandage on Tanya's Arm. She says, oh it is nothing and you will find almost everyone around here has cuts and bruises or some such thing.
Or, something like that. So, she as a wound of unknown origin when we first her.
Tanya says that she knows of "slow turners" and that the patient she was studying was euthanized before the infection went that for. She also tells us that Marcus did not allow any more experimentation.
I think it is the Proverbial, curiosity killed the cat. Tanya got infected getting too close to the experimental subject.
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The episodes mention scuba gear and it could work as an airsupply. But, the mask shown in the picture is not a SCUBA mask. That mask is only good for land use. This mask does not allow the "pinching" of nose to facilitate pressure equilization and if the mouth is in the same space as the nose, the mask will fogg up. I can go into more detail if anyone is interested.
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Pegs says she would not have killed... ...Him.
I believe that pause is important. My guess is she does not want to say "John" and is playing dumb. The panic of her dream is more of a function of John not being laid to rest (Where am I? Where am I?!) rather than her shooting and killing him.
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I find kelly humorous. She does not like the way Kalani used her. But, here is a flashback
Hey, Noobie, can I buy you a drink.
Ah, no, I do not drink
Wanna Dance?
That I can do
cut away / cut back
Put your hands here..
ah alright.
I probably do not have the proper quotes, but that is the gist of it. To that I will also add, when they land in the chopper, I think kelly says to Tanya or Pegs, Maybe I can get laid again or something like that.
As long as I am poking fun at Kelly in a good natured way. Revist the morning that they lose the water. Datu say something like, Kelly told me, she was in the shower. Michael, I have seen some scarry things in my life, but her like that... We have to remember that Datu is the same dude that says, I have handled worse, we he is cleaning up the dead zombies.
What if it's Tanya last breath?Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
Funny, I would think that something Datu would said not Vic. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Z Sniper
I like everything everyone here is speculating. I think there are a lot of good ideas as to what could be wrong with Tanya (though my guess it is nothing at all, other than she is worried they will misdiagnose those scratches on her back and assume she is turning).Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
But I wanted to quote awkwardalex concern. I couldn't help but feel that not telling Hope about Kalani's journal is a mistake as she might be able to shed one small, minute detail on it all. I understand the group is willing to spare her those terrible memories but you never know what someone else might have to say. Maybe someone will let it slip in her presence and she'll put something together that will make us all feel like we were the blind ones. :p
I enjoyed hearing the groups reaction to Kalani's journal. After reading the responses in the Chapter 28-1 thread, you'll notice a lot of them mirror the reactions of Michael's group. We all reacted very much like the group did!
Hello,
I am a totally new forum member! and I want to throw in my speculation on GROUND ZERO as well.
I think Saul and Vic will find the Alien Scout Ship that landed there. It then unleashed the virus to rid the planet of all human life so the aliens could have the planet's resources without having to fight a costly war when the rest of the aliens arrive. The Scout ship's defense is to suck all of the oxygen out of the surrounding area so the human's could not get near it. I further predict that Season 4 will be about Michael and company repelling the alien invasion.
As for Burt and Angel, I thing they are both alive. I think that Burt did a George of the Jungle swing into a mattress or couch. He was hurt but alive. I then think that Angel used the zipline harness to repell down the zipline on the outside of the tower and got close to the ground before the tower collapsed hurting him critically. I think that Scratch has them both because of the ending of chapter 24.
So says the Mighty Atomic Hamster
I'm thinking the last dying breath will be from running out of air in their tanks. Victor, while a good dude and I really like him, is expendable to the main storyline. He saved Michael, Pegs and Kelly but isn't a main character. So far all the main characters are still alive and the extras have been killed, or replaced by a new side character. The only guess I have is that they go into that area, get ambushed or snagged on something, Victor panics and runs out of air. Saul being experienced in combat, even with his emotional swings, will probably remain calmer and get out of there without suffocating. I hope Victor makes it, but that's my theory.
Also, Tanya has been acting sickly lately. She was talking about being cold and wearing a jacket or some such. She's got something and is not wanting anyone to know.
Two things I was thinking while listening a second time: 1) It's possible that the bullets fired into Pin Stripes didn't pierce his skin. Not because he was wearing a bullet proof vest, but what if he his skin and/or bones are as hard as a Behemoths? 2) When Victor mentions that he was at a place about 30 miles South, CJ says, "Really?" but in a way that seems to be more concerned about the distance and direction above all else. Did Shaun get in contact with her while he was at the Colony?
Long time listener, new to the forum. I'm so totally torn between theories I had to start contributing!
I find it hard to believe that the Gatemaster would have allowed Tanya to stay in the colony with a possible infection. I believe her injury was more likely due to the abusive/ slave labor thing they had going on. They didn't exactly treat her so great. Why else would she leave into the unknown so willingly? If it were me, and I was the "doctor" at a shitty yet protected community I wouldn't leave with some random people so easily. Just saying. However, because she is more knowledgeable about the characteristics of the zombie-disease she's clearly harboring some information about it that she not ready to share. Wouldn't it be great if Hope was somehow the test subject and that's why she protects her so ferociously? Can "Hope" be the key? Anyway, I don't think it's Tanya's last breath because she just reunited with her son and hasn't met Lizzy yet. Could the Gods be so cruel to Saul?
Someone on the forum mentioned how "weak" Chinwe's survivor group was despite their accommodations. I have to agree. All their preparedness did not matter when the shit hit the fan. While during the attempted Tower siege, that group held together with bare resources. How bad ass will it be when both "leaders" combine? I'm feeling wh33t's suggestion that perhaps she's a military brat. It would be fitting since Michael and co. are at a base and there seems to be a lot of 7 degrees of separation going around.
I'm still holding on to hope that Burt is alive or we get a flashback of a more hardcore death. If he's going out, give him more than the cable snapping and him plummeting to his death.
And with all due respect, yea Kalani started some serious sabotage and drama but how is that different than Saul's Rambo missions that have gone bad? He has lacked serious regard for the group as a whole for his own selfish motives. Kalani had selfish motives as well, his child! It just so happens that Saul situations clean up nicer. Just saying, Kalani tried his best to ammend his deeds in the end.
I fuckin' love this podcast.
I gotta say I don't think Chinwe's group was weak. If anything they were stronger, more organized and better equipped. The reason all their shit fell apart was that no one was able to get away from the building due to the concreted balconies and ground exits. We've got to realize that Ink is a sneaky SOB, he made his way into the tower as well and if it wasn't for the Tower crew showing up they would have all been dispatched with just as much ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by jayhel
However, you still can't deny that four (Burt counts too!) military minds are better than one "diy" jack of all trades (plus perhaps she has some non-official training).
^^ thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Natagora