Chapter 24 discussion- "The Harder They Fall"

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Originally Posted by GD_Elite

Datu saw Angel when at the tower visiting Cindy, his girlfriend. KC confirmed that.

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That makes more sense. :)

I still like my idea, I think Angel would be the perfect poster boy for the army

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

who honestly thoughr durai was dead?

Explain how you can fall approximately 100 feet while prone and survive? (remember he had a harness, he should have been falling with his back to the ground)

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That KC is a crafty one, that is all I am saying. They do mention putting the unconscious one with the old one, and i don't think they would have mentioned the old one if he is dead.

Kalani was the rat. In my mind this is pretty much confirmed.

So yeah, Kalani is prime for rat because of the Hannah situation. I can see Hannah being enough for Kalani to work towards saving. I guess it'd make sense since he was FOR the party in chapter 11. It also melds well with the theory that he killed Pippen and high tailed it out of there. That would cut the rat completely and allow for a sub-plot next season for Kevin to return and read his journal.

Burt hasn't had his time yet. He's still alive.

Pretty much I'm thinking everyone is alive aside from Kalani. They aren't going to be doing too well, but they're alright.

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Originally Posted by AdrianHD

Pretty much I'm thinking everyone is alive aside from Kalani. They aren't going to be doing too well, but they're alright.

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Steven is still alive?

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Originally Posted by CoyRogue

I got thrown off with Tonya somehow going from being unconscious and handcuffed to a bed, due to being scratched by a zombie (maybe)--to all of a sudden being at the chopper and tending Riley.

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At the start of the episode Saul asked Michael how his mum was doing and it was brushed off that she was fine

I'm with GD on this one, I think Steven is dead. No point in having a red herring alive anymore. Also all the red shirts that died trying to get out of the tower, can't forget them.

I'm going to have a relisten, but weren't there red shirts in both towers? What happened to the ones in the adjacent tower?

It's on iTunes right now

I'm all twitchy and pacing now after the live listening. Holy crap the effect this show has on me. I need to listen closely now and get all the details so I can figure out exactly what happened. Some parts just swept me away and I got confused

Assuming Kalani was the rat, the fact that the mallers executed the red head suggests that the mallers didn't need Kalani any more, making it seem like he might have stopped being the rat. However, I don't understand why Kalani would stop doing that if there was stilll a loved one hostage.

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Originally Posted by Th3_T3ch

I'm with GD on this one, I think Steven is dead. No point in having a red herring alive anymore. Also all the red shirts that died trying to get out of the tower, can't forget them.

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I feel sorry for poor Lewis. Poor guy was still locked in his room playing video games as far as we know and then the Tower collapses around him.

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Originally Posted by HardKor

I feel sorry for poor Lewis. Poor guy was still locked in his room playing video games as far as we know and then the Tower collapses around him.

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Lewis survives, he goes and finds, bill, zoey and francis and Left for Dead is born :)

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Originally Posted by GD_Elite

Steven is still alive?

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Well, important characters.

Did I miss Kelly? I'm re-listening. Was a lot to take in =P

a few things
1 kalani, certainly sounding ratty...but i feel very bittersweet about that. it just doesnt feel "right" to say that he was in fact the rat. his character grew into something more...sad and awesome to see him go out the way he did
2 pegs got pretty decent with the chopper pretty quickly
3 so burt may very well be alive. i know a certain people may not find burt surviving the drop believable...i say this story has zombies in it....
4 i loved this chapter...its gonna take 47 relistens to soak everything in...excellent

From memory, In the Chopper are:

• Michael
• Pegs
• Datu
• Kelly
• Tanya
• Hope
• Riley
• Lady

Listening again, the scene were Tar, Bricks, and Scratch hear the helicopter is epic as all hell.

You know, I think I almost shaded a man tear at the end of this chapter. ow screw it I did, DONT JUGDE ME!!!

maybe because he was trying to pass himself off as being dead, that might be why the sent pipin to the tower.

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Originally Posted by daredevil

Lewis survives, he goes and finds, bill, zoey and francis and Left for Dead is born :)

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Omg Excellent!

I'm not sure how I feel about this finale.

I feel kind of silly for thinking KC was gonna close some doors and answer some long awaited questions but it looks like he did the exact opposite and opened more. KC, please for the love of GOD, HOW DID MICHAEL survive the water plant incident?

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Originally Posted by wh33t

I'm not sure how I feel about this finale.

I feel kind of silly for thinking KC was gonna close some doors and answer some long awaited questions but it looks like he did the exact opposite and opened more. KC, please for the love of GOD, HOW DID MICHAEL survive the water plant incident?

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I don't think there was a place to ever answer that without feeling out of place. It's not as big of a deal for now, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by wh33t

I'm not sure how I feel about this finale.

I feel kind of silly for thinking KC was gonna close some doors and answer some long awaited questions but it looks like he did the exact opposite and opened more. KC, please for the love of GOD, HOW DID MICHAEL survive the water plant incident?

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Originally Posted by AdrianHD

I don't think there was a place to ever answer that without feeling out of place. It's not as big of a deal for now, I'd say.

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I agree that in retrospect that question couldnt have been answered in this chapter but I think the point that this chapter created more questions than it answered is a valid one. Can't wait for the next season

Just finished second listen through.

Things to point out:
Scratch doesn't want to shoot Lizzy, and I'm pretty sure she was lying when she was said it was because of the bargaining chip. This leads me to believe that Scratch possibly could have lost a child or had a miscarriage or something before this all started. Just a theory.

Scratch refers to Burt as the Old Man when talking to Tar earlier on, which is interesting as it goes towards the possibility that Burt did survive.

Riley and all the red shirts (including Steven) went down to the parking garage in an attempt to escape. Zombies got into the tower, and then it fell down. However, I doubt anyone would have let Lewis out since he was their suspect, so he could have been safe from the zombies attack, making him the most likely minor character to have a shot at surviving. You could do some real interesting fan fic on the tales of lewis though.

Things I am still unsure about:
Where did all the zombies go that were surrounding the tower? It's weird that they would do that and then go away without a mention.

Why were there no red shirts in the adjacent tower. I thought some went over to ready supplies.

EDIT: Just wondering how Kalani knew that a girl died, and that it was Hanna/Hannah. He wasn't there, and I doubt the mallers told him that it was her.

And how did Riley become unconscious, not really explained.

No no no no no no this cant have happend. So many cool people dead.

Can someone post who is all dead or missing and how please. all i know is burt and saul and lizzy and riley

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Originally Posted by AdrianHD

I don't think there was a place to ever answer that without feeling out of place. It's not as big of a deal for now, I'd say.

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Yea I realize that too lol. My point though was that KC is deliberately structures the plot this way. I can't decide if I like his style or not anymore, but one thing is for sure: I keep coming back for more, so it must be a good style lol.

I was actually shattered into pieces when I thought they killed Lizzy. Hearing Michael apologize to Saul was heart wrenching.

I actually thought for a moment when the tanker was creeping it's way towards the tower with the fuel spilling out of the gas tank that Riley was gonna show up with a lit arrow and robin hood the shit out of that scene LMAO!

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Originally Posted by StickUpKid

No no no no no no this cant have happend. So many cool people dead.

Can someone post who is all dead or missing and how please. all i know is burt and saul and lizzy and riley

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Isn't Riley in the chopper?

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Originally Posted by wh33t

Isn't Riley in the chopper?

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Yes. She is unconscious in the back of the chopper.

@GD- as I haven't had a chance to relisten (and I missed some juicy bits in the middle of the broadcast) I don't know what happened to the zombies, but the most logical choice would be the Mallers Slaughtered the "Guard Zombies" that Stephen insisted were there to help the Tower.....stupid red shirt....stupid....

All minor characters (including Steven and Lewis), plus Burt, Angel and mister whiskers are dead/presumed dead.
Lizzy, Saul and Victor and missing but are unlikely to be dead.
Michael, Pegs, Datu, Kelly, Tanya, Hope, Riley and Lady are all in the chopper.
Oh and Kalani is toast.

The questions I have after my second listen (mostly Kalani related).
How does Kalani know that the red head was his Hannah?
Why does Kalani apologise for the tyre? Did he make it blow on purpose so that the wouldn't be able to take supplies back?
Is the second person that Scratch wants the rat? She would want the rat because she wasn't told about the helicopter and that changed everything.
Potentials for who it is Saul, Victor, Angel. Maybe as a LONG shot Kalani. On re-listen we don't actually know for sure Kalani died and he could be the messed up one they find at the end.
Very long shot I know!

no way i have time right now to read through all 8 pages that have been made in the brief couple of hours after the show was aired but all i know is;

Lizzy is/was preggers!!!! tell brotha tell yo sista tell yo whole family.

GD
When kalani brought Michael and co. Back to the tower,the events of the golf coarse could have been told to him (I do t like that, but maybe) that's how he would know of hanna/hannah

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Originally Posted by itsallgoodie

no way i have time right now to read through all 8 pages that have been made in the brief couple of hours after the show was aired but all i know is;

Lizzy is/was preggers!!!! tell brotha tell yo sista tell yo whole family.

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I'm starting to get annoyed that my "crackpot" predictions are "almost" right

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

GD
When kalani brought Michael and co. Back to the tower,the events of the golf coarse could have been told to him (I do t like that, but maybe) that's how he would know of hanna/hannah

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It is possible, but if they just said that a red head was there instead of Lizzy, it seems to be a bit of a stretch to assume its someone you know and go blow yourself up for it just because of having the same hair colour.

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Originally Posted by GD_Elite

It is possible, but if they just said that a red head was there instead of Lizzy, it seems to be a bit of a stretch to assume its someone you know and go blow yourself up for it just because of having the same hair colour.

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agree completely ...hmm. I feel a blog coming on

maybe kalani was warned that if he did not help "his hannah" would be killed, in the draw is the "other type" of radio that the mailers use to talk without the people in the tower hearing. and that is how he was blackmailed. he was told to not bring the supplies back to the tower so got the flat. would scratch know lizzy was pregnant? showing test how? or could it be skittles maybe he rambled something about the tower people and scratch thinks he is with them?

whos hannah I was so confused

I would see the most likely explanation being that Scratch has been telling him that she will kill her ever since he stopped calling. Kalani probably had an internal crisis, having to decide between Hannah and the tower. Maybe he changed sides when he had that moment with Angel and killing the big one. I think there could be something to cupcakes theory of him busting the tyre on purpose. Kalani being the rat could explain why he was brown nosing Burt alot earlier on too.

Im just what to know who do you think was the 2nd person kidnapped