crackpot theories and thoughts

Ok i know this is gonna sound kinda crazy and random but i think that randy is "the commander" from chapter one. It would be to easy to assume that it is someone michelle just met. And knowing k.c. Style of thinking that would be to simple. In the beginning we get a hint that he is smart because he is in formation like he remembers things(maybe he has like a commanding ability). And all saul did was hit the commander, not shoot him. When randy attacks saul's mom the only one that sees him is michelle. Saul and angle aren't there. Also when angle kept asking how michelle escaped the water works michelle got very defensive!! Well this is just my guess (feeling) and i just wanna put it out there! -thanks

The only thing about that I would question is, would Michael refer to the commander by his first name.? I like the idea though

well he might have if he thought that he was already dead? just a thought . . .

Yea, I was just questioning that in general...im very far from a military background...so I haven't the foggiest...again, I like where your going with that...take it a little farther and you could have a zom commander..lending military training to the hive mind..or something else nutty like that.:)

and see that bring up another point!! I think that Randy was commanding the zombies to makes a human-ish shield to protect him so he could get Tanya. it seemed that the group of zombies were doing something the survivors have never seen?!

Egg-friggin-zactly....

http://www.critterzone.com/magaziner...n-behavior.htm

Another sign...kidnapping their food

hey i just remembered something. to recap on what i was saying earlier when Micheal, Saul, and Angel talk to each other they don't always use there names. Sometimes they call each other by ranks (Micheal calls Angel Sir sometimes). so Micheal didn't have to say Commander he could of just called him Randy.

Agreed...the only thing I can't get past is our lack of info on Randy..we'll see what we get...long hair and a beard is not very military...i do know that much

well that's probably true, but how much time has it been since the 1st chapter? also he was a commander which is pretty high up in ranks, so maybe he could have a beard if he wanted.

I would just like to point out that the commander was hit square on by a hummer. Not saying he wouldn't have survived but the amount of injuries he would have sustained would have probably made dragging a body/running away after being shot on the arm somewhat impossible.

Thank you...i was trying to be nice

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

I would just like to point out that the commander was hit square on by a hummer. Not saying he wouldn't have survived but the amount of injuries he would have sustained would have probably made dragging a body/running away after being shot on the arm somewhat impossible.

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yeah probably, but once again i'm just thinking out loud here. I might be way, way, WAY off here, but i just wanna put my 2cents out there.

The idea behind crackpot theories is that even when you're writing them you're thinking "You know what? This probably isn't true or possible in any way, but it's awesome and it's an idea I've just had, so here goes!". Sometimes the crazy works out cannon, but it's still fun to scheme the incredible. At the very least it makes for some interesting plots for fan fics!

Well said my friend....well said

What I like to do is take a few facts we have have and spin fiction around them. Still believable but totally speculation within the context of the story....this is a good spot to put ideas like Randy was the commander for just that reason...but their are certain facts you just can't overlook, like the beard and long hair, or being hit by a damn hummer!....but its fun all in all

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Originally Posted by uuhhhuuu

yeah probably, but once again i'm just thinking out loud here. I might be way, way, WAY off here, but i just wanna put my 2cents out there.

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The idea behind crackpot theories is that even when you're writing them you're thinking "You know what? This probably isn't true or possibly in any way, but it's awesome and it's an idea I've just had, so here goes!". Sometimes the crazy works out cannon, but it's still fun to scheme the incredible. At the very least it makes for some interesting plots for fan fics!

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Agreed. We all have stuck our hats on some theory here and there that is more cracked out than something else (like Datu being the Traitor to the tower....). And besides, even if you miss on one "crackpot" theory doesn't mean that it won't lead you to the promised land on your next one (like if Datu actually is the traitor to the tower....).

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Agreed. We all have stuck our hats on some theory here and there that is more cracked out than something else (like Datu being the Traitor to the tower....). And besides, even if you miss on one "crackpot" theory doesn't mean that it won't lead you to the promised land on your next one (like if Datu actually is the traitor to the tower....).

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i don't know why but i have a feeling Datu might be the traitor.haha ;)

Dint remember which page its on...but I have a thing in here somewhere about that one....

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

I would just like to point out that the commander was hit square on by a hummer. Not saying he wouldn't have survived but the amount of injuries he would have sustained would have probably made dragging a body/running away after being shot on the arm somewhat impossible.

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oooohhhhh!!! i just thought of something?!?! remember how the zombies take back the bodies? what if they take them back and maybe revive them or even "upgrade them" at "The Devils Workshop." That could kinda tie The Commander/Randy back in to the story with the new chapter!! that would be pretty cool.

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oooohhhhh!!! i just thought of something?!?! remember how the zombies take back the bodies? what if they take them back and maybe revive them or even "upgrade them" at "The Devils Workshop." That could kinda tie The Commander/Randy back in to the story with the new chapter!! that would be pretty cool.

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Bwahahahaha! The commander SHALL be Randi! We shall make it so!

Alright you knuckleheads....here you go

Commander Randy
after a semi illustrious career as a professional wrestler commander Randy savage returned to his original love...the military. His new duties put him in charge of a small group if reserve soldiers...then, tragedy! As Randy was returning to the base after a meet and greet in Oxnard ..the call came in..riots in the streets people ripping each other to shreds....pandemonium..

Along the way...randy stopped to help a wayward kitten..he always loved cats..couldnt help it...as he bent down to pick up the fearful kitten..footsteps approached from behind..be the time he knew what was happening, it was already too late

The undead life felt strange at first. His body felt strange, as if he had little control over it..in fact, it was as if his body was under iits own control now..and all his brain could register was the hunger.....that terrible hunger..as he fought to regain control of his body and mind, a flash memory of the last place he was going occurred...the base

upon busting down the gate, he and the hundred "new recruits" he had unwittingly brought along with him could smell the flesh, but they couldn't find it...the scent lingered for some time...how long he couldn't say...and then....a hummer ran him over

Well that hurt! Randy thought...and be then realized, he.....thought. The hunger no longer had the paralyzing control over his mind..he could think on his own...and plan...but first he had to find a way to fix his broken arms, and a leg, and a foot..a couple ribs....blah blah blah...
well, that was fun!

Love it! I like how he had a Burt moment in there! Plus kittens. Always good to save a kitten or two.

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Bwahahahaha! The commander SHALL be Randi! We shall make it so!

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hurray!! A follower!! :)

I have a rather simple question, im new so bare with me as this may have been asked... Did we ever really find out what they do with the bodies? while yes some of them must be being eaten don't you think the smarter ones or the "Brains" might be doing experiments on some of their own? or for that matter the living? i find it odd that they would only have a few people in a small room in the arena as their food source... it seemed like when Samantha was killed they were doing some sort of ritual (just a thought). Obviously Someone (or something) is making more of the "specials" as the newly tattooed "small" is evidence of such an idea. Are they using the dead undead as test subjects to make these specials? It seems to me like we have only begun to see the full power of the "commander" units (or unit) and all of the other "specials", anyway long winded but just throwing some stuff out there.

Also I would like to say that Todd i like your ant articles, i actually ran across the "zombie ants" in my biology class while talking to my teacher about the plausability of zombies (and if there could be a cure), and i have to say this fungi fascinates me. Frankly the fact that a fungi can control everything a creature does (and by the way the parasite is smart enough to make the ant ACT like a NORMAL ant which scares the shit out of me to say the least...) simply as i said scares me. While no i dont think this will ever spread to humans you have to admit that there are such things as "zombie" (at least in the most simple sense). Oh and my 2 cents on the rat, frankly i dont think its kelly, if it was wouldn't Pippin have called her out when they questioned him? I would have... i mean it would gain great favor with the tower if you called out the rat that has been aiding the mallers... BUT i do see how it COULD be kelly. Really it seems as if kelly changes her attitude twords the leadership of the tower (and michael) quite drastically after her nephews death.... ever sense that moment i haven't really trusted her sense (sure she has that moment with him when they take a break and she talks about grief but i just don't think that would change her mind so quickly). Anyway lots of ramblin but hey, this thread is for that right? :P also... Saul is a damn knucle head... and it seems that he is getting good treatment because A- the leadership likes him and B- His momma is the only real DOCTOR among them... don't piss momma of by rejecting her baby?? also i think Saul might come back to the tower after he hears what has happened to his mom... Just my thought :3

Also with this last section i have to throw this out there... Obviously Burt is going to die soon (or atleast in my mind) so what about this, what if Burt gets taken out trying to save angel (which is successful) and then burt gets turned... Which in this theory he will... what if burt comes back as a villain? a "commander" maybe? If so then what if he adds his knowledge of where the tower is re-locating to to the zombie hive mind? if there is no hive mind then what if he just tells "ink" or whoever the zombies leader is the towers plans to move? Does ink (or the leader) want them so bad that he would possibly chase them? if so could this spell the end for our beloved tower dwellers? DUN DUN DUN! Just another crackpot theory ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasma_gondii

If you like zombie ants check this out...

I did not read this, I am already familiar with it. Some people speculate that it affects humans. No matter where you go, there always seem to be a crazy cat lady

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasma_gondii

If you like zombie ants check this out...

I did not read this, I am already familiar with it. Some people speculate that it affects humans. No matter where you go, there always seem to be a crazy cat lady

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And now my friend i am creeped the hell out. BUT these things totally intrigue me! awesome article man.

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I have a rather simple question, im new so bare with me as this may have been asked... Did we ever really find out what they do with the bodies? while yes some of them must be being eaten don't you think the smarter ones or the "Brains" might be doing experiments on some of their own? or for that matter the living? i find it odd that they would only have a few people in a small room in the arena as their food source... it seemed like when Samantha was killed they were doing some sort of ritual (just a thought). Obviously Someone (or something) is making more of the "specials" as the newly tattooed "small" is evidence of such an idea. Are they using the dead undead as test subjects to make these specials? It seems to me like we have only begun to see the full power of the "commander" units (or unit) and all of the other "specials", anyway long winded but just throwing some stuff out there.

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i just noticed this....if we stick with the arena being a "hive" in an ant type fashion. the bodies/body parts in the interior of the arena would serve as dual purpose. 1: to create a maze enviroment 2:food storage. the bodies on the exterior of the arena are the actual dead zoms...not for consumption. some species of ants will stack their dead in insteresting ways and actually bring their dead with them if they have to move the hive..always keeping their dead just outside the hive

so an interesting discussion came about on another thread today. basically, we began speculating on the effects of frequencies on the brain. be that radio,electromagnetic, radiation waves...any of the above could fill the scenario we tried to create. the jist of the idea is this; if the human mind within the "undead" of the w/averse still are actually human. could the mutated genetics of the mind be changed in such a way to essentially "share" a mind?....or even a consciousness? and if the "normal" people are geared to be a part of the hive mind, where would a unique mind fit in? what affect would mental psychosis have on the hive mind?...in the end the possibility is ink/paul/onewithmarkings...a standout among the hive..

so where do we go from there? well if this scenario we are looking at is true what we have is a sign of the growth of the "smart ones" intellegence right in front of our eyes. in the begining there was no organization among the zoms, they just ran around nom,nom,nomming whatever they saw, then we saw the pack mentality arise. after that we learned of the arena and the presence of the hive, and the organization behind that...now an entire army moving together as one...if we think of this as the one mind merely forcing his "frequeny of mind" onto the others,overtaking the hive mind.....making it his hive mind...now thats something

and that brings me to the interesting question....skittles?...i for one get the feeling that ground zero is the source of the radiowaves or what-have-you that caused the change in the zoms..we have seen the affects it has on "normal" people in pegs and victor. what im curious about is how would ground zero affect skittles?...im willing to bet that ground zero will/would have no affect on skittles....if his brain is also wired different, the thing in ground zero that disrupts the mental field in normal people would have little to no neurological affects on him, hell, he may even be able to function normally in there. i can see it now, skittles on a ten speed, riding through ground zero with a helmet cam on top of his head. would actually make sense if that became his safe haven in the end.

well thats about all ive got on this one, as usual.....plausible?..no possible?...yes

todd out

Almost forgot....links to where this line of thought came from ;)

http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF3/386.html

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0889218/

and of coarse
http://zombiepodcast.com/forum/entry...lectric-Brains

A short but sweet one;

the pack of wild dogs analogy has been thrown around a bit as of late. And a thing to note about that is....even a wild dog that has had no interaction with human can be slowly coxed into caring for a human,to be loyal and to be trained....meanwhile, a wolf cannot be trained..something in The genetic makeup of the two is just different enough that they will show that difference, dogs can be lead....wolves cannot. Breeders have spent countless years trying to break wolves of this to no avail....

Now, think of that when comparing zombie "packs" to a pack of dogs....(Michaels words)

An Alpha of a pack of Wolves leads the females. Wolves and dogs came from the same base ingredients (Similar original organism) and dogs are just a subspecies in the same tree as wolves. Dogs are just wolves that have been bred to provide admiriable traits such as loyalty, strength, speed, etc... You can train a fox as well as a wolf, it just takes longer due to having to breed out the aggression i.e. Don't let the angry ones breed.

Where I pulled my info from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolves_...orking_animals

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Where I pulled my info from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolves_...orking_animals

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I don't want to sound like a dick, but Wikipedia isn't really the best source to pull information from.

Agreed,...but also consider perhaps I'm making the comparison of wolves and dogs for the comparison of "zombies" vs creatures in w/a....and this is the crackpot thread...do I really have to have the facts 100%? We're talking about zombies here ...:)

I forgot which thread I was posting in. You're right. Only 50% of the facts apply here.

Continue.

Some more random ideas that sprang to life while listening:

Chapter 18, with all the Wizard of Oz references (Kelly's line, "let's see if the wizard can get you a new arm, her a new foot, and me...I'll just settle for a bottle of Jack", and Kalani's line, "...we'll drop a house on him [behemoth] later.") I now believe there definitely is a mastermind behind all this. Some weak sickly creature that even controls the zombie pimp king. It probably has powerful mind powers that allow it to make people feel sick when they venture into it's neighborhood. Probably some hardcore gamer kid that drank a very expired "Gamer Fuel" soda

Ch. 19-2 - Michaels broadcast to the Tower from the Colony was recieved by the Mallers. That is how Durai determined to head south to the Colony. Maybe?

22-2 - not a theory, just two questions: What is that game Saul was teaching Bert and what is Riley's callsign? I listen over and over but can't understand either.

Finally, a hairbrained idea: Riley went to prison for drunk driving and became Eastern Bay's cook. That's why she's the mole! (not really, it's totally Kelly)

I tried to figure out what that game was as well..not much luck there..and rileys call sign. Is the French word for bird, I'm not even gonna try to butcher the spelling...
I like the idea of riley as the eastern bay cook...havent heard that one yet!:)

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I tried to figure out what that game was as well..not much luck there..and rileys call sign. Is the French word for bird, I'm not even gonna try to butcher the spelling...
I like the idea of riley as the eastern bay cook...havent heard that one yet!:)

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Riley's call sign is Oiseaux? That seems like it would be tough for anyone but her to say! lol
As far as the card game goes. I suppose we'll have to wait till someone is able to provide the transcript and we'll see where we can go from there.

The Riley being sent to Eastern Bay for a stint doesn't hold up well when you consider Eastern Bay is a Federal Prison for real badasses. I was thinking maybe she had one of her binge drinking sessions, got in a car, and ended up running over a pedestrian. But I'm not too familiar with laws and thier silly consequences *coughcaseyanthonycough*

I was thinking about the Angel/Scratch connection. My best guess is that they were tossed in the same juvenile detention/boot camp thingy; her for being a psycho kid, and him for hot-wiring and boosting cars. The juvenile bootcamp thing could also explain why Scratch seems so well adapted to taking on an authoratative role. Plus I can't let go of that one line she had in 21-1 where she shouts, "Get out of the killzone!" That word just seems uncommon for a civilian to use. That'd be like Pegs sayins something like, "We'll pull security." :P