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perhaps victor is doing a little investigating of his own...victor knows who would have access to a silencer..hes a crafty one!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
YES @ children of the tower thing! great idea! XD
As soon as I heard about the hospital, images of "No Mercy" from Left 4 Dead popped in my head.
Although I was beaten to the punch, it was kinda ironic that both ladies we're sick, Liz and pegs. So that tells me there is going to be a connection. We may not know exactly what that is yet but it may have to do with the z virus.
Saul is heading for the arena mainly because who else is going to cause an explosion like that. He's going to do it all Bon Jovi style in a blaze of glory, while Burt is going to chase after him and go down saving Saul, Lizzy and Bricks from deranged tardust.
Something big and bad will happen at the hospital, (someone else stated the skittles comment) and I just have a feeling it's going to be near epic.
Also the tower is beginning to spread itself pretty thin making it an optimal target which may prompt the rat to take more action and get discovered just before another attack happens. During that attack the first chopper will come in handy with the 50 cal mounted and turn everyone into swiss cheese!
Not as much action packed episode but it does build and did have more info. As much as I'm looking forward to the finale I also don't want to wait for the break, BUT I WANT ANSWERS!!!
That was the best part in the whole episode for me. When victor stood up for pegs. It was a definite awww moment. I seriously don't think he's the shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Well interesting episode this week. It still leaves what happened to Lizzy & Others still open to debate but we have a resurfacing of Victor and Pegs who haven't been on for awhile.
Speaking of Victor and Pegs, I intentionally believed that she might have been pregnant (as ZombieMama had stated on pg. 1 along with others).
But it seems that she and Victor stumbled near ground-zero which cause both of them to become sick, although it took a longer time for Victor to feel the effects that Pegs was already feeling awhile before which could lead to speculation on two theories.
1. Pegs is Pregnant (I find this doubtful, but plausible)
2. The effects of ground-zero could induce vomiting, trouble breathing, and/or blackouts and the inevitable changing into a "zombie/monster" thing.
I'll start speculation that the "virus" or sickness that caused ground-zero might have been a government project that was being tested on humans unknowingly in/around Inglewood or a government transport carrying the "virus" took a bad turn and leaked out by accident. It was said that "Ink" might have been responsible for the origin right? Maybe he was carrying a virus of some sort. I forget. (Credit to Rock Daddy for the chemical spill theory on pg. 1)
As far as "Bluejay's" discovery of the second chopper, its great that they found a second chopper but the fact that its on a hospital seems like it would be a high risk to acquire especially since Skittles mentioned that the smarter the hosts of the virus/sickness get the smarter and more cunning they are as "zombies/monsters." The mission to acquire the helicopter though could make a good episode.
Moving on, it sounds like we might finally figure out what happened to Lizzy since Saul 2.0 took off in the humvee at the end. Oh and Ra1th, chill out man. Even though you made a couple of good points...
it just sounds like you are trying to get back at people for "attacking" Angel. Chill. Good Points though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Besides, I don't think Saul would wander around aimlessly. As others have said, Saul will probably make a B-Line to the explosion near the arena and granted it is dangerous at least he knows he has an idea of where he is going.
I don't believe that can be said for sure. Seems to me that could be a result of individual tolerance, not gender-based tolerance.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
RE: Thinking Pegs was pregnant, I think we all jump there because we expect Lizzie to be preggers. At most, one will be pregnant. Otherwise, you've got two characters with the same dilemma, and that makes one superfluous.
RE: Saul leaving...silly move that is great for plot. Also, it is a great way to get back to Lizzie's situation. Definitely Burt's chance at redemption by going after Saul, and may lead to his death.
Overall, I love that there are a number of plot lines that have opened up. The fact that Ground Zero has been introduced makes me wonder where the helicopter plot line will go. The copter plan is supposed to take them a long way from Ground Zero, but GZ seems too big a situation to deal with in only one chapter.
Riley is a special zombie that made Lizzie, Angel and Peggs pregnant! It all makes sense now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyd2tall
or... not. :P
I think Victor does have 'feelings' for little ol' Pegs, he even looked out for her while Michael was in the hospital back in the colony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paola
I also really liked it when Saul was getting stuck into pegs, she turns around with the 80 hours thing and he just goes "Seriously? Never mind! Do your thing!". I laughed. Scared an old lady on the bus.
Plus, the music behind the Inglewood discussion section (where Samantha is mentioned) is very cool. Inspiring & sad.
The way burt reacts after Datu says "It could make you worse than that" is cool. It's like 'oh yeah... zombies" It adds that little element of WHERE ARE THE ZOMBIES!? What are they planning?
All in all a good episode that pulls the story along without giving us any answers. Waiting a fortnight is going to suck!
I eat by memory. But it doesn't really work when you haven't eaten something before...
At the end of my post you quoted, I mentioned on Scratch didn't get affected in the same way Lizzy/Pegs were. I know I didn't exactly spell it out, but it was my way of saying "but maybe that's not the case." I kinda forgot we were talking about Scratch and some people around here thinks she's got a penis or some weird crap :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Heyyouinthebushes
Pegs puking opens up some very interesting possibilities and diminishes, in my opinion, the odds of Lizzy being pregnant. It's now the same sort of reaction we've seen from two women, and Victor (our resident badass) nearly had something horrible happen to him too. I think a more definitive answer will come when Kalani and crew try to procure the second helicopter from the roof of the hospital (which if we all remember is a place that Skittles said to avoid....dun dun dun!)
As for Ground Zero being wrapped up in one chapter: The Arena was a pretty big deal too. We were only in there for one chapter as well. 60 minutes (assuming each chapter part runs 20 minutes each) is a long time to tell a story. Hell, even on the low end of 15 minutes per that's still 45 minutes to tell a story.
I can rattle off a few theatrical pieces I've worked on that have told an entire story (including backstory) in 60 minutes. It's possible our first run in with Ground Zero might be told this upcoming chapter. Who knows?
ok guys for all of you tagging Pegs and Liz with pregnancy, know that pregnancy puke is different than reg puke. I threw the idea because it's possible, but when you compare both instances, it's more likely that Liz is pregers.
The "morning sickness" women get is random, not necessarily before or after food, and your body literally keeps on retching after there's nothing left. Sound's more like Liz's incident.
Then again, a lot of people become extremely nauseous under pressure, dangerous situations, or even when they are scared. Just playing super devil's advocate here.
Is that a Voodoo Lounge prediction I hear in the making? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Still mulling around in my head where I want to go since I did uh...well not as well as I normally do this chapter.Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Kc opened way too many doors to have a solid idea of where the next chapter is going to go. We might go back to the Arena, we might get to ground zero, we might have a deeper investigation in the Tower for the rat, we might be abducted by aliens....
Nikvoodoo: I would argue the Arena wasn't dealt with one chapter because it is still unresolved. The zombies are gathering there, presumably with a "plan" in place. The mallers efforts wouldn't have finished them off.
Likewise, I can see a chapter contained scenario with ground zero, but I don't think the broader story will benefit if all involved with ground zero is resolved in a single chapter. It will hold revelations to what led to the zombies/apocalypse. Though, as I'm writing this, I can see how ground zero can be used to shed some light into what caused the zombie apocalypse and then left alone with many unanswered questions. And this could easily fit in a single chapter. Fair enough.
Also, you're right, your commenting on Scratch effectively made my point.
Those mentioning zombie queen: what I like about this - can explain hive mind mentality of zombies a la bees. While Ink/caller zombie can "control" other zombies, that doesn't provide an answer why. A queen could produce hive-minded zombies. What I don't like about this - our current "official" understanding is that whatever changed everyone happened simultaneously around the world, meaning there are numerous queens that acted at the same time. It's not that a coherent story can't be created for this scenario, but implies the zombies are an their own "species", not converted humans. Also, it doesn't account well for the observation of "smarter in life, smarter in undeath".
what happend to skittles did he die? also saul, i knew he couldnt just have brushed it off like he played off... i hope there military base they are planning on moveing to is self effiecent, has huge walls and awsome defences! humvees and Strykers with a ton of gas and 2-3 helipads plus there 2 helicopters. then maybe they make the land around the base with mines and zombie traps. and make this base into a self efficent self independent fortress that can project huge military occupation etc lol
The storyline surrounding the Arena took one chapter. We wrapped up Datu being captured and brought to the Arena, and his subsequent escape/rescue. Much like the escape from the Colony only took one chapter. They arrived and were interviewed and then there was the chapter break. Then chapter 19 was a self contained storyline where we learned, planned and escaped the Colony. That doesn't mean we are done with the Colony, but we are done with that particular storyline. That's all I was trying to say. We don't necessarily tie everything up in a neat little bow, but we can have a one chapter escapade around Ground Zero, and make it back to the Tower in time for supper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heyyouinthebushes
Yes, I think, in many ways, we're trying to say the same thing. I think my original point was that, if we resolve all that Ground Zero can offer, it seems to minimize the importance of Ground Zero. Thus, introducing Ground Zero could have an implication on the helicopter/Fort Irwin plot because Fort Irwin is so far away from Ground Zero. However, a Ground Zero storyline that gives a couple answers but leaves a lot unanswered allows GZ to maintain its importance while the Tower crew makes their way to Fort Irwin.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Glad to see some g z talk. Our who's the rat talk was getting old. So here's a thought...
how about a "new world order" type organization..(I know its cheezy, but best way to describe it) spreads themselves out across the globe with of coarse Ink as the leader....maybe. And releases a "catalyst " a simple biological weapon that can lie dormant for x amount of time ... Until something triggers it... Such as an infrasonic sound wave. Wave triggers bioweapon, bioweapon becomes active in host blood and spreads.... And mutates people into whatever there biological makeup was previous to said incident. Smarts get smarter ...on roids? ...now a giant....i dunno that's just how i would write it
We do seem to be saying the same thing, just with different words. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Heyyouinthebushes
Yeah, I would never imagine that we would resolve everything that Ground Zero has to offer in one chapter. That...well quite honestly that would be the suck.
Right now, I'm largely with you. It does seem to be a well planned and organized event. My concern with a 'new world order' organization is that they tend to be covert government organizations, and 'getting to the bottom' of what caused all this would involve exploring the political conspiracy of said organization. I would rather it be an Umbrella Corporation style group that has extensive power but is less 'secret political conspiracy'.Quote:
Originally Posted by 70DDISDEAD
See that's why I was hesitant to use that phrase...i don't like the connotations that come with it either
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Ground Zero
Some more obscure facts
Unlikely to be an accident, because it appears to be happening in several US cities. Internationally is a wild card. That subject was truncated on the TiVo.
The first zombies observed by Michael were putportedly to be covered in scars. If the description is accurate that implies old wounds.
Kalani said the other tower found a lot of strange things in Ground Zero. I have to review, but this could be strange zombies or items.
Scratch has a "weapon" that Latch found in a safe.
I think that the outbreak started airborne, and the survivors are people who are immune to the virus while it's airborne. Although the theory isn't air tight, it does play into many things:
1. Pegs and Victor got sick, maybe the virus didn't turn them into zombies, because they were immune to the airborne toxin, but the way it lingered in the air lead to them getting sick and throwing up.
2. It would also explain the explosions that happenned in the first chapters. Something was detonated which released the toxin, possibly a lab or a planned airborne attack.
-This does lead to multiple possibilities on an attack. It could be a terrorist attack, which would be an interesting spin on the series.
-Genocide: This is a longshot, but what if the toxins were being used to be rid of dangerous criminals, (possibly death row inmates), it was thought that there were riots, what if the reason that the toxins were released was the result of a riot in the prison?
I'm just thinking outloud, what do you guys think?
What if they do get to the military base and find that there is smart ones? Military grade zombies that can shoot guns??? eh eh
Look at the map and see distance from ground zero to the arena, I don't think it's close enough for the explosion to have that effect. I think ground zero has just had it there since day one. Plus I remember earlier episode/s talking about things getting worse the closer you get to ground zero (skittles maybe)?
What are the typical wind patterns in LA? Coming in off the ocean headed East? The reason I ask is that if the causitive agent was airborn, I would expect to see a Plume. It would be a foci that spreads outwards ever dispersing in the wind. If the wind is headed south, envision a water droplet. It elongates before it "breaks". The plumage would be similar to that vision. Data collected by the tower was described as a "ripple" spreading from ground zero at about the same rate in every direction.
It could be there was no wind. Or, it could be a bunch of zombies radiating outwards.
hehehe... Dun Dunn Dunn!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
> Crowbar enters room.
Hey Ra1th, You my man are absofrigglutely right. He was dumb to run off without any help. He's young, brash and hot headed BUT! Saul's a TRUE trooper. He's going to go out guns blazing and not whine about being tired or hurt like a certain someone else. He's sucking it up like MAN, plus he's going to save his woman come hell or high water.
I'm pretty sure if it comes down to him having to lob a few molotovs he wouldn't have to worry about throwing like a girl either. ROFL!
Saul is hardly dumb! He's highly trained and non formally educated in medicine and combat life saving through his moms, The USA and life. His decision is the only stupid thing, but acts of courage ALWAYS start out looking stupid.
Well, what can we say? Everyone loves Saul! (Some more than others ) ;) I am amazed at how, because he is such a lovable character, he gets credit even when he makes bad decisions. It's like, "Hey, Saul's solid, so it's ok - Not like that Angel douche" Don't forget, Saul left the scooter outside the tower that led the Mallers straight to them originally. Sometimes, I want Saul to be the rat so bad because nobody would expect it, and it would be so crushing to so many! Mwah ha haaa!Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
First off i may and probably am wrong but with a little research on line and re listening to podcast, Pegs and Victor started to become ill and unable to breath but was not to do with the air could it be something that constricts the lungs? making them unable to inflate and harder to breath. Also lack of breath can make u feel sick. but then she felt sick first before the lack of breath! Apparently woman have smaller lungs (the pharynx and larynx are smaller) so would affect her first.
people have been saying that one of the helicopters might crash, we know one can land on water so maybe the other one crashes on water? maybe we will see the return of the zombies from over the airways episodes, that attacked pegs and Michael?
if one helicopter crashes maybe that crew gets splits up also.
i can't get my head around who the rat is. it makes sense that it would be someone who is a main character as it will not mean as much if it is some one that we have not herd from but who i think one moment its Kelly then i think its to easy to think that. it is going to be someone that we have not thought of. maybe Hope is talking to them and she smells something that reminds her of when the shooter was in the room. fear can do funny things!!
I think saul said it best in the beginning. Throw a hail mary pass, high risk, high reward. You pull it off, you're a hero. Fail and you're a dumbass. He's pulled off miracles over and over again, but how many times can lady luck save him? he's gonna fail eventually, and when he does, it won't be prettyQuote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
The more I think of it, the more I think it's probably not Saul and Lizzy=Romeo and Juliet....it's probably going to end up Saul and Lizzy=Tony and Maria (West Side Story). Maybe only one of them die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
LOL.. rock you dick!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Daddy
Saul isn't a "Thinker" anyway. This is why you can't leave him and Burt alone for too long. They'd get in way too much trouble. Saul is your point man. Saul is the Sidekick. Saul is that cat who says he's going to do it then goes out and does it.
Remember that he'd outrank Mike if it wasn't for his mouth, which in the military means he was that kid who was good at what he did, so they put up with him and punished him by promoting his peers.
It's the trying that is important. The will to "DO." The Hail Mary Pass is what the American Spirit is built on. Franklin and lightning experiment, Kitty Hawke, If the glove does not fit, you must aquit.. all HMP's! You have to fail for it to suck. When/If Saul's luck ever runs out then... like I said, it will be Wild West Style. He's going out guns blazing. It'll be a warriors death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
And you had best not after that crack about Saul. Really, seriously you go after Saul ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
At least he is going to try and help Lizzie. If Saul has to go down I want him to go down with guns blazing and Blondie on his arm. He is such a good character he deserves either a good death or maybe lady luck will smile at him one more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Way out there theory: hostage situation saul gets caught as well as Lizzy scratch wants to trade them for pegs, Michael sets up a fake trade when all goes wrong Saul or Lizzy dies we are expecting saul that's why lizzy could be the one to go that would also crush saul and me as i am an hopeless romantic!!
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I'll give you that it was a stupid play... that being said I've been in love. Love will make you do stupid things. Saul is a determined armed Soldier (and fellow Infantryman) that will stop at nothing to get the love of his life back and woe to he who stands in his way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th