It's Hope, I know it
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It's Hope, I know it
Burt asked for the silenced pistol...it being missing is more than enough evidence for me. If he thought it was there and it wasn't I smell something fishy. The weapon used in the tower was a silenced pistol, not an mp5 for one other simple reason: Portability. If you're going in to assassinate someone, you'd probably want to be able to hide the weapon in question when you blend back in with the crowd. A submachine gun would make that task a little more difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Hope not being shot by a male because she's an impregnable female I think is an invalid argument. Someone who just actively took out a target at great personal risk to themselves is not a person who could care less about their ability to procreate in the long run. If they really cared, they probably wouldn't have tried to shoot Pippin in the first place.
NIce catch on teh shoot the radio. I am still trying to figure out that as a chess move. Loss of the radio reduces the chances that the tower can call for help. It appears there are at least two groups of two out there now. This must be weighed against the tower not answering the check ins? At best it is temporary problem (easily replaced from any of the rigs). So, the question to ask is what does the shooter hope to accomplish in the next hour or two?
An MP5 is a sub-machine gun. The shooter used the Biretta. I would be disappointed in the crew if they made that type of audio mistake. That would be like having someone drive off in a V8 or Diesel and then later saying they were driving a hybrid. It would either be a retcon or deliberately misleading editing.
For the shooter you are looking for someone that:
a) knew Angel was with Hope and they were on guard duty.
b) had access to the armory and knew it would lure Angel away.
c) has attachments to the tower crew or else shooting Hope would have been easy.
d) had access to the gear bag to take the silenced pistol.
Pippen saying "you!" I can't concretely say is telling one way or another. He could have been reacting to someone he recognized and had not yet seen there, like others have said. Or maybe he was reacting to someone he did see there that came into the room pointing a gun at him.
The only noticeable hole I see in my observation is the speed that everything happened. As soon as that alarm went off, Angel was gone. Just a few seconds later the shooter walks in. Unless this person possesses super-human speed, theres no way the same person that triggered the alarm is the one that shot pippin and the radio. There was a very careful plan there that had to involve more than one person. One to cause the distraction and one to go in, take out pippen, and get out before Angel got back.
I think the Mallers got wind of the helicopter plan from the rat, and it is not good. I also think the team on the road (Kalani & Datu?), trying to help Burt & Saul is now in grave danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
I'd wager it didn't have anything to do with calling for help. The Mallers are currently blowing up the Hive and dealing with whats there. I don't think they are planning an assault on the tower. I think that the shooter disabled the radio because Datu rigged the building so Hope could call anyone from anywhere. Remember Angel saying he hooked up Audio for her all over the place so she could do guard duty and call for help or alert people when needed? If the shooter left the radio, Hope could have pushed a button and the calvary would have come running, so the shooter wouldn't have had time to make a clean get-a-way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Whoever it was didn't want to kill her. But couldn't have her calling for help.
It means one of two things: There are two people working together which I still don't like, but at this point I've given up figuring out who because I want to be surprised.....but I do wonder right now if NJhellfire is in a corner crying because Kalani isn't in the tower and there's some rat like activities going on...or the person who set the alarm off ducked into an adjacent room/around a corner after they set off the alarm. Once Angel ran into the room to investigate (thus putting him out of sight of this hidden rat) they simply walked down the hall and popped a cap in Pippin's ass...or head..whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acidicvision
Datu rigged the guard room for audio so Hope could listen and assist those who were watching, there was no mention of her being able to call help throughout the building. The intention was for her to never be left alone. *SHOOTS ANGEL THE STINK EYE....and thus also to ra1th*Quote:
Originally Posted by Acidicvision
Granted The missing Berreta is a flag. If I have to guess I would say it is "burt's" But the silenced MP5 can not be discounted. Remember the MP in MP5 essentially means Machine Pistol. The silenced MP5 would have to be presented to Burt since it is from the colony. Michael, Victor, Kelly, Tanya, Hope or Pegs could have taken it as their own.
Although I believe the possibility of Angel being the Rat is extremely low, I just want to play the devil's advocate. Angel could have easily tripped the "Alarm" from within the room and pretend to go to Burt's Armory. Knowing Hope can't see a thing, he could have easily made it sound like he was leaving, but re-enter the room and shoot Pippen. I have always thought that Angel was insecure about always being in Michael's shadow...could drive some people insane. Just throwing this out there.
Do I believe Angel is the rat? No, but I could be wrong. I cannot even come close to comprehending the genius that is KC... =)
Please don't flame me
It's a very valid point. I thought this might be a possibility, but I am now too much of an Angel fan, and it hurts to think of that option. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Dino_Does_Zombies
kelly being a lawyer could have sneakily been interrorgating/cross examening Pippen, had uncovered a HUGE flaw is his stories and realized he was an immediate threat and/or Michael and co would never believe her. I really doubt that Hope was killed as we didnt hear her body hit the floor like we did with Pippen; again, KC is a smart cookie and wouldnt leave out that key sound effect.
It is awfully odd that Steven is introduced so late in the story......obviously he has been introduced for a reason.
We all think Pippen was brought to the Tower....probably was told to perform a specific task but in truth he was put there as a catalyst to disrupt the tower and keep them busy with in fighting. What I mean is it was scratch/Durai's plan to place a survivor in there to be killed by the rat to create turmoil and a witch hunt in the tower to prevent them from disrupting Durai's master plan
What is the level of rat-titude or paranoia are we looking at here? If Pippen had said a name instead of just "you" do you think the shooter would have killed Hope?
I agree Hope wasn't shot, and I really like the radio option. But as the cliffhanger to the episode, the reason the SFX of a body not dropping is because the episode ended at the moment the shot was fired. It wouldn't have been forgotten, it would have be left out on purpose so we have to listen next week to see if Greg Miller got his wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog711
Seriously, Greg! what you got against the kids in this show??
I bet if he had said a name, there'd be no question. Hope would have to die because she could identify who it was. As it is, she might already be able to ID the person by something she heard anyway. Could be a huge strategic error by our Rat not to kill the blind girl who can hear better than most people can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acidicvision
I agree with you Rock Daddy... It would hurt too much
Hope was not shot (no proof) you hear nothing that says that she's hurt. The shooter is the traitor. The reason the shooter is the traitor is because if Pippen was to meet the traitor the person may be found out. The traitor had to step his/her game cause of Pippen. The traitor may try to disappear again and thats going to suck cause we may have wait to find out how it is till the next chapter.
Nik, I can go back a listen again, but I thought I hear feet scamper away. Light small steps. But, hey I have been wrong on a lot of things 8 )
[QUOTE=nikvoodoo;15936]I agree Hope wasn't shot, and I really like the radio option. But as the cliffhanger to the episode, the reason the SFX of a body not dropping is because the episode ended at the moment the shot was fired. It wouldn't have been forgotten, it would have be left out on purpose so we have to listen next week to see if Greg Miller got his wish.
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Sorry nik.....but the episode ends with the killer running out of the room....no sound of Hope hittin the floor
Arkum, I do not know. I am not too much of a gun lover. I just know that the stock is collapsable, so it is smaller than a carbine, but longer than the pistol. If I have to guess I would think single shot, three round burst, full auto(?)
You do hear feet scamper away. You're not imagining. and they were indeed light small steps and that could quickly imply a woman, or a man who was trying to be light on his feet to sneak past Angel who was still in the armory probably trying to figure out what, if anything, had been stolen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Oh blah blah to you and your rightness. Fine, here, I'll propose another reason: She doesn't have to fall because she's sitting in a chair and she didn't fall when she was shot she just slumped over! There! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog711
I still don't think she was shot. :p
Light feet? ITS SKITTLES!!!!!
just kidding
TOUCHE VOODOO! Although, Hope is BLIND not DEAF! If she wasnt shot she sure has the balls not to react in any audible way to the 3rd shot!
HA HAH! Nik, you just pulled a Kc moment there, and wrote yourself back into being right. LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I dunno about you man, but if I heard someone get shot next to me and I wasn't able to see the killer because I'm blind, I think the only suitable reaction I could come up with would be to pee my pants. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog711
It's a gift ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Daddy
I write myself back into being right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Daddy
Oh yeah! Just when we think that a plot theory is not even an option or that we found a loophole, BAM! You wriggle out of it, like Houdini! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Not always. The eye thing was a clear mistake and the floor number- BUT if there's something that's not clear, I love hearing from you guys so I can clarify-Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Daddy
If it turns out that Steven is the traitor, I will feel cheated, there is no way we could have figured it out, and it would make all the theorizing for naught.
Also, I guess this means I am sorry Ra1th, but he is still a douche :)
I'd say Burt is the next main character to be killed.....he will go down in a blaze of glory once they find Lizzy.....he will get hurt, and will attract the zombies to give lizzy, saul, bricks, and tardust a path to get away......Also it seems as though the zombies are still milling around, potentially waiting to pounch.
Also, Am I going crazy, or did I hear sniffing in the final scene, Does this mean...... Lady is the traitor?
The only thing that sucked about that episode was that it ended....great episode, what a way to set up the rest of the chapter. I can't wait to find out who the shooter was.
Didn't someone say they were going to compile the chat into a pdf or something so those that missed it could still read through the logs of the chat? I would heart me some of that since I missed it!Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
everything i had has been covered by now, the things i think are important to cover are that its not Kalani, and that it must have been two people working together, the alarm had to be a distraction. The shooter cant get from point A to point B that fast. I think the idea that the radio was shot is clever but there is another chance that maybe when saul and burt called in to the tower was after hope had been shot or killed but before anyone finds out and thus there was no answer. There isnt really a way to know one over the other. Im sad Pippen is dead. I thought he could be a big character. I am pretty sure that either hope or pippen will have survived. One of them has to be alive to have a person to follow and see who the shooter was.
If pippen, then it may be pippen's word against the shooter, if the shooter is a big character that everyone thinks is good then who knows, maybe they wont believe him.
If hope, then obviously she wont have any more than audio to go off of and that wont help the tower much at all.
I do think that angel or someone will catch who broke into burts shop (assuming that it was a pair who hatched the plan to do the shooting, one breaks into the shop and the other kills hope and/or pippen) that way they have a new person to watch, kill, interogate, ect.
I dont think I left anything out.
Did I?Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
So Burt has grief induced shakes, Pippin is a good conversationalist and likes to read. I'm not convinced Hope is dead, many things could have happened. I'm scared she might be though and Pippin sounds pretty dead. Didn't expect him dying so soon. Steven seems a likely suspect to kill him. At least we know why Saul and Burt didn't have the silenced pistol. I think it is too early for either Pippin or Hope to die in terms of their character developments, so WTF on that one.
I love how it worked that I felt as blind as Hope at the end, it worked really well. But I don't want her to be dead. Otherwise I'm going to jump into audio world and strangle this traitor personally. PERSONALLY! That is, if Datu doesn't get them first. Loved the episode, but the ending was very much, "WHAT THE HECK?!" of course since we don't know what fully happened...
Smell. Victor has heavy cologn. In addition, when water is at a premium, people can develop their own Body Order. Not everybody stinks the same so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by itsallgoodie
Wow it's been a while since I've posted here.
Very very intriguing episode. So we learned that Burt suffers mildly from some sort of post-traumatic stress disorder; we know that neither Burt nor Saul nor Kalani are 'The Rat'; and also that we may have lost two supporting characters in the space of a minute of air time.
We can assume that our traitor has access to the Armory or something that would trip the alarm, which is unlikely to be everybody. The silenced shots may mean that whoever took the pistol took it from Burt and Saul's bag since they couldn't find it.
First one in a while that's making me nervous about what happens next.
oh oh oh oh oh oh oh your right, if it was victor that would make sense, cuz they did mention how much victor smelled. but one would think that he would have thought that through a bit more. maybe he tries to kill both hope and pippen but dont have time to make sure they are dead and one is alive and can recall the smell. ^_^ i bet thats what it is. good catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
They are in an apartment building with rooms throughout that entire hallway to hide in. They wouldn't have to do much to set off the alarm and then hide in a room near Burt's armory. Angel would have to investigate to make sure they weren't robed blind like last time and while he's doing that it allows someone the time to go into the guard room and pop off a few shots and run away. Doesn't automatically mean there are two people working together. Does that mean there aren't two people working together? Nope. I'm just sayin' is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by itsallgoodie