I have a question though, was tarsier trying to make a homemade thermobarric bomb or were they just hoping to use all of the tankers for a huge explosion? He seemed like he was trying to figure out the safe distance there at the end.
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I have a question though, was tarsier trying to make a homemade thermobarric bomb or were they just hoping to use all of the tankers for a huge explosion? He seemed like he was trying to figure out the safe distance there at the end.
If you're on a mac, hold CMD+F5 (cache refresh)Quote:
Originally Posted by laxspartan007
If you're on a PC, hold ctrl+F5 (cache refresh)
Finally knowing that Durai is alive is good, even though he is a liar who is probably a sociopath or a psychopath to be in charge of the Mallers
Pippin is up to nothing good, I'm definitely thinking he is a spy and I agree with VeritableHero in that the zombie arm means that at least the first Zeds were genetic experiments or something. My lesser theory is that some of them are mutating, but I find this less likely for a couple of reasons.
While I personally think Riley's sexuality is moot and like Ra1th, I want her and Angel to hook up. However even I have to admit this episode made it seem like Riley was in love with Lizzie. Wait, screw that, I just remembered one of my best friends and if he got kidnapped by convicts in zombieland, then I would totally be depressed and angry too on the level Riley is too. I really like how in this episode, same with 20-3, the time-lines were noticeably different. The big cliffhanger explosion ending of the Maller storyline taking place at the beginning of the Tower storyline. Very well done.
Also, it now becomes apparent why Tardust is useful to the Mallers. Before I found him to be kind of small, weak, afraid and the most awkward rapist in history. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was in jail because of a mix up. Now to know he is actually the smart one, at least with explosives. How he masterminded blowing up the Arena. It does surprise me that the Mallers knew about it, but maybe they picked it up from the Tower's radio chatter or they have some damn good scouts.
Chapter 21 is also the chapter making me like Bricks more and more. Before there wasn't enough info about him for me to know. As he does more and says more, I'm really starting to like this guy.
Way to leave us on a Cliffhanger KC! UGH, the not knowing...
I wouldnt really call the ending a cliff hanger, the explosion happened. And I'll bet you anything that lizzy, bricks and tar survived, maybe they're a bit banged up but they're alive.
Also, people give the mallers credit. They are not stupid criminals. Some of them are. But not all of them. Pikepaw brought up a good point. Tardust, at first glance seems like a coward, a rapist and a monster, but he's also the one who masterminded the explosives attack on the arena. Second, the mallers do not have to depend on the tower for information on the zombies. Without a doubt Durai is a brilliant type of guy, maybe a bit of a sociopath, but that's it. He's not crazy, he's not dumb, and he doesnt take shit from anyone. And honestly, with a guy like that, he's probably a better leader than Michael. While the tower has been barely surviving, the mallers have been conquering the post apocalyptic world. I mean that very literally. While the tower has been hanging on for dear life and fighting for survival, looking for a doctor, etc, the mallers have been out on the streets. They have a lot more people than the tower, so they have a much bigger reach, they have larger convoys, and motorpools because they have more moutsh to feed, and they have information on the zombies that WE as an audience are not privy to. In an earlier conversation with Kc, the topic came up that there is a reason the mallers can move around in large groups without worrying about zombie attacks (ex: the war, when they showed up with an army at the towers front door, at NIGHT). Do not underestimate the mallers.
I like the tardust/bricks pairing, Bricks has this dumb brawn and loyalty to him, and tardust has this cowardice/brains to him, they work well together. Although I think lizzy has been really annoying lately because she doesnt come off clearly, or she reveals secrets that should not be revealed.
Pippin, everything about this guy seems off. Starting with the deliverance of his lines, he pauses like he's making sure his story adds up, and tanya says that his wounds seem fresh. If he was a slave, then his wounds would have been acquired over a long period of time, and he'd have been constantly beaten for his failures. His wounds are fresh, as though he was beaten to a pulp and thrown out right in front of the tower so he could infiltrate it.
Another interesting thought came to me, cause i was listening to the season 1 box set in the car today, and I was on the purgatory chapter. We don't know what happened to samantha... We think she died. We assume she was played with and killed as entertainment, but what if she wasn't? Datu never looked out the window, what if those screams were from something else... These small ones, they seem like they've been engineered and we know they've been marked. The one brick's killed had the number 5 on it. There's not enough information on it. But it's something to worth noting I think.
Wow. KC, you've done it again. Fantastic episode.
Durai alive? Cool, cool. Arena attacked by the Mallers? Pfft called it :p.
What intrigues me the most this episode is what the Mallers are up to down South. Setting up at the Colony or the Island are my two best guesses. As for our friend Pippin, the mole theory is beginning to seem more and more likely to be true. His story about escaping when the Mallers moved doesn't match up since Scratch said she was going to "drop him off". Unless Scratch took him back to the Mall, proceeded to beat him up, and he somehow made his way to the Tower unscathed, he's a mole.
As for the ending of the episode, I believe Tar, Bricks and Lizzy are going to become separated from the Mallers. Scratch might think they were taken out in the blast or something and they'll have to fend for themselves. Lizzy and Bricks will become bffs and either kill Tar or he'll defect to the Tower alongside Bricks (not likely).
I think that's all I have to contribute at the moment. I'll give 21 - 2 a relisten and see what else comes to mind :)
Skittles said the little ones showed up later than the rest so maybe, and this is a big maybe, INK made them out of people from the arena.
Hell at this point, that seems like a very likely theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
1. If TOWTM/Ink made the little ones, I'm disappointed because that should be an impossible task as both sid and I pointed out last month. The piecing together of pieces of flesh and allowing them coordinated and advanced brain functions simply shouldn't be possible.
2. Ra1th, its not spelled out but Datu pounded on the window, and hear what sounds like his hands streak against the glass as we hear Samantha's screams stop. He also says to himself don't look or stop looking, so anymething to that effect. I'd be very surprised if she comes back in any way shape or form other than a memory.
Who said anything about piecing one of these things together? I'm more interested in a queen theory. Or some sort of biological way for this to happen. A different strain of the virus maybe.
And i'm not saying Samantha is going to come back, but how do you know she died and that she wasnt turned? There's really no way to prove it. I'm wondering if there is a deeper reason to the zombies taking humans alive than just entertainment.
I'll go with it. It sounds like the little ones were definitely manufactured, but they haven't shown up until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
I have to wonder, though, how did the Mallers find the Arena? And how much do they really know? Obviously enough that they want to blow it up, but still, they seem pretty inexperienced with the zombies.
Pippin's definitely a rat. Whether he's legitimately a former slave or not is hard to say, but he's pitching his sob story awfully hard. ("Nooo, they're coming for meeee!") My prediction is that he'll be captured, which will fill the Tower residents in on the Maller's plans and current situation. I can see him eventually defecting (or maybe just getting thrown out on his ass) but he'll always be a rat.
How do you know the mallers are inexperienced with zombies? We know very little about the mallers, and how they've been surviving for the past couple of months, they may know things the tower doesnt know, and they might not know everything the tower knows. Doesnt mean they're completely ignorant, especially with someone like Durai as their leaderQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi of the Dead
very interesting episode and im starting to feel like lizzy is getting some Stockholm syndrome for bricks (and i guess the tiniest bit tardust.) and id really like bricks to maybe go to the tower later in the series.
also on rileys feelings...i think she loves lizzy and angel, and cant decide so shes stuck between depression and confusion.
and also i think pippin might actually be the real deal. or at least im secretly hoping so we can get at least ONE british dude XD
Is it just me or do the episodes seem to be getting shorter?! It's painful to live an existence waiting 7 days for less than 20 minutes of story, so I guess the We're Alive crew must be doing something right. I can't get enough of this radio drama.
I've thought for a while this whole Zombie thing was from Radon labs. The tattoo of the number 5, well it seems unlikely the a human scientist would tattoo their subjects. Have you guys ever heard of scientists tattooing lab rats? Don't they normally "tag" them somehow with a bracelet? I'm open to feedback on this.
If Lizzie and Angel were compatible you'd think we'd know it by now.
I'm personally hoping that in 21-3 the Tower crew arrives at the Arena and Saul kicks the living shit out of that rapist.
I'm definitely thinking Pipping is some kind of spy. Don't the Zombies sniff out blood and human scents? How could he have made that journey all by his lonesome? Didn't it take Saul a considerable amount of time to make that distance and he was even on a dirt bike. Probably the easiest vehicle to maneuver on the roads.
Nah, if anything, the recent episodes have been longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
About 40 hours of work goes into each episode of each chapter. They don't get paid for this, they do it on their free time. So basically, after they're done working their normal day jobs, instead of hanging out and enjoying their weekends and their weeknights, they work on this podcast. It's really unfair to complain about episodes being short.Quote:
Originally Posted by wh33t
No one is complaining. I'm fully aware of the passion that consumes and motivates these artists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I'm curious to see what happens when all those special zombies get released into the city. No more Arena to hide in/go about their biddings.
Yeah, I can kind of see the destruction of the Arena pissing off the zombies more than hurting them. Think rock + nest of hornets. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Guestmaster
Actually, KC said they don't get paid what they should. I know they don't. But they might be being paid something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I think Ink is creating these "little ones" as his tools.(hence the numbers) Was his ritual in the rink a ceremony or a mating session? The description of there flesh being very white suggests new born. They may not stay little very long. Very cool character development
Possibly! Remember the description, "fresh ink."Quote:
Originally Posted by cycogod
Regarding the tattoo
I still can't decide between continuously evolving zomboids, aliens or lab primates.
The number 5 seems like an identification marking of some sort--prolly lab--made by humans who write with roman numerals. This would mean that the little ones were either the first infected, the source of the infection or a final stage of mutation.
Tardust made it seem like Durai knew something about the infection that made it imperative they attack the arena.
Isn't it interesting that each of the villains have a mark of some kind?
Ink - tattoos
Scratch - scar
Pippin - wounds
seems like there's another I can't remember...
Oh god, mating. Barf ** but excellent concept for the story line.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycogod
What if the mating wasnt with one of the infected... What if it was with a human?Quote:
Originally Posted by cycogod
Samantha + Ink =Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
This Durai fellow has become more interesting to me after this episode. Has no one suspected he knows something our Tower folks don't know? He claims to be a marksman and, like Michael has done in the past, refuses to give any details about his prior service or rank. If he truly is military as we suspect, he may know details about the initial assualt on LA. (Was it ever confirmed he truly was locked up at Eastern Bay?) If Durai ordered the Mallers to gather tankers early in the game, that means he knew about the Arena a long time ago. Scratch implied that Durai had an understanding about the creatures and organized the attack operation to cripple their stronghold and escape south. So what tidbit of information does Durai have that our Tower has yet to discover?
Look what steps they took to survive. Slavery, tranny, hostile takeovers, random killngs, slaying of survivors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
hey I'm not saying i'd wanna live there. These are not good people, and their methods are terrifying but it works...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
As for is Durai a better leader than Michael, try ruling the mallers with a democracy and peace and kindness and love. They'll eat you alive. They have to be controlled, and Durai's pimp hand is strong. Would Michael have the ability to keep a group like the mallers under control? I don't know, but I guarantee you that Durai could rule over the tower with fear.
Michael didn't rule with any of those things either. None of the faction leaders have. All groups have their flaws and are deteriorating due to the human factor. Mallers and their methods are no exception.
I think my main point was just to tell off the people who were saying that the mallers are idiots and that they could not have gathered intel on the mallers by themselves without getting it from the tower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
I just wanted to point out that with Durai as their leader, the mallers are exponentially more dangerous because they have both brawn and brains now, while the tower kinda has to get by on brains alone
Something fishy going on with Angel imo. He seemed very aggressive towards Pippin and seemed to want to talk over him and shut him up until Michael stepped in. I think it wont be long before there will be a revelation about Angel and he will get found out. Not saying he is the mole as i am convinced that is Saul, but I do think Angel is hiding something.
You think Saul is the mole? How did you arrive at that conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugwump
Some thoughts after a few listens:
I think the fingers go on forever comment was more referring to length rather than number. i picture the little ones to look just like the children in Dead Space 2. Short with long lanky arms and claws.
As much as I'd love to see someone from the tower find out about Pippen being a spy and take out some much needed frustration on him, I don't think anyone at the Tower will be doing that with Michael around. Doesn't seem like the type of thin he would allow.
I agree that Angel seems a bit irritable with Pippen. maybe he knows something, maybe he is just suspicious and untrusting now. Can't blame him for that.
Lizzy, Tar and Bricks are definitely left behind by the convoy now, probably assumed dead. With limited resources and possible injuries I think they will create a strong bond in the episodes to come. Probably finding their way back to the tower. Where I gotta think Lizzy makes up a story about what happened in the furniture store so Saul doesn't go ape on Tar. At least not right away. Eventually he will find out though. I look forward to Bricks converting to the good guys. I like his character as a big sweetie. Also he doesn't waste ammo when he can tear off limbs instead.
My other theory is that The Tower sends out a scouting party to check on the Arena, or maybe Bert makes his way over there after hearing the explosion and runs into Lizzie, Tar and Bricks.
How mad are Tar and Bricks after being left behind? Mad enough to defect and reveal the Mallers true plan? Seems like something Bricks would spill in conversation with Lizzie. If given the chance does Lizzie run for her life? Or does she have a friendly bond with Bricks now too? And maybe even with Tar after the next ep? I can't really see anyone forgiving someone who tried to rape them, on any level, for the sake of survival I'm sure anything goes.
Well that's a long winded rant that needs to end. Right about now.
Okay, interesting episode. The mallers are on the offensive. One thing confused me - did the fire the Tower folks saw happen before the mallers attacked their target or was the narrative just telling what had already happened out of sequence? I need to listen again. At first blush I thought there were two separate targets being hit.
Same target, each side of the story was on its own timeline, not sequential. That's how I figured it anyway.
I liked this episode because of this...I like it when they alternate between the different stories going on in but sometimes I just want to know whats going on in one of the stories and I just go....GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkum
I think that the little ones weren't created but that the tattoo was an identifier for the generation in which they were first seen.
There are most likely no gen 1's (Slow, Scars) left, possibly no gen 2's (Jumpers), Runners are possibly gen 3 and Behemoths are probably Gen 4. TOWTM and/or Ink counts himself as Gen 0.
I told ya.. I told ya.. i told ya! Neh, neh, neh! LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by They call me Revolver
Just having a good time with ya man. I knew Durai was still calling the shots. Yes Sir! Scratch is a field leader not a planner. Durai is the general and assaulting the Arena to clean it out was always in his personality type. He's a proactive dude not defensive minded at all.
The ambush was amazing. Routing them through the trees was pure de..genious! Choke points, single access to egress, cover, concealment, suprise, speed and ground preparation. That was some Sun Tzu type ish right there son!
Our friend in the suit was just chill'n and observing.
I bet Durai went to the Airport
Holy Cow Ra1th.. I couldn't have said that better..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
People forget how..um,, industrial and inventive prisoners can be. They're creative out of survival needs. Necessity being the mother of invention and all that stuff. I don't think a lot of people have bothered to look at the map. The maller's "territory" is expansive to say the least. It shows a good amount of preparation, aggression, leadership and manpower.
Dude.. Riley's actions had me scared and a bit hopeful at the same time.. I was saying to myself... "She's gonna admit to being the mole.. she's gonna admit it.. no, not riley.. not riley..." And it didn't happen and my blood pressure went back to normal.
The assault on the Arena.. had to happen. They're in Durai's way. I'm thinking the slaves are.. well, slaves in the plantation sense. They'll be used for labor in a more brutal fashion than how the Colony uses it's people.
The "Little One": I don't have a clue on this one other than I think the Bio firm is going to be a factor and these things are genetic tests/experiments. The only thing is that the tattoos and number were fresh........
Sooo, that means the lab is STILL churning them out or they've been in the WAverse the whole time, but newly released???
The "Weapon" from the safe: Wooo wee! What safe? The only safe we know of is Burt's. They cleaned out his shop and safe, they cleaned out the Reserve armory for the most part and cleaned out police stations..
What could it be, this "Weapon?" It sounds big. Originally I thought about a claymore, but that's too small in size and scope.
Could it be a failsafe weapon they got from the Lab? I'm going to assume that the Mallers have looked at that place too.
Could the "Weapon" be a countermeasure? It sounds like it.. a "Break glass in case of Zombie outbreak" kinda thing.
The significance of the numbers 5? Could the "Suit" be the number 2 guy? Ink being number 1? I've always assumed Ink and Suit were the same cat though. What is significant is the fact that the small creature's nails were "Filed." Why do I think that's a big deal? Well, it shows intelligence, cunning and above all it shows PURPOSE.
This one is Ra1th specific.. Angel's attitude this epi. I'm sure you noted how surly he was acting. He was "Trying" to be assertive and didn't think highly of being counted out. Normally he's fine being in the background. Saying his peace and moving on. This time he "wanted" to be heard, he wanted his presence to be felt. "Oh, I can talk now?!"
I thought.. "uh oh!" There may be a "Come to Jesus" meeting soon.
I think the weapon is an RPG or grenade launcher. Something capable of big damage in a bind.
listened last night finally and my heart was trying to beat through my chest. great episode.
