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Oh, so perhaps Kells is still on thier side, despite being as bad ass as she is now. So maybe when Tard asked about "the one already there" he meant somebody originally at the Tower. Somone like Bill! So maybe Bill, Kelly, and now Pippin are moles to the Tower!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkum
Wow, it seems like a real stretch, but some bits of the information make sense. Hell, all this theorizing hurts knowing that the show won't confirm or deny anything for a while.
This long break is only gonna lead to me coming up with more and more hairbrain theories.
I have now passed the torch. Take it and run.. run far!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkum
What if Lizzie's "oh, no" was because the Mallers have the reanimated zombie version of her boyfriend. He's their new "pet".
Its possible, but the only other person with the key was Datu and I don't think he would have done that. And actually Bill was out for a while, so someone could have easily found the key and moved all of the stuff while the main characters at the tower were gone. So its a possibility that someone did frame Bill, but then why would he have apologized. Alot of people on another thread argued he apologized for taking the guns. But if he didn't take the guns he would have no other reason to apologize then if he was the rat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkum
He stole food.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onslaught
I know what you mean. Sooner or later I'm going to lose my mind and start smearing a bunch of unfounded theories all over this board. Might get messy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkum
I'm going to lock this in as my final answer so that if I stray someone can whack me over the head with a shovel...or crowbar. Okay, so I strongly feel that at one time Kelly was the main rat, the one who hopped on the CB and gave all the information away to the Mallers. She was quite drunk at the party which throws me off a bit, but for the most part I feel she called the pricks just before Tommy took up his shift. Being a lawyer I feel she may have known some of these criminals at Eastern Bay. I do believe that Bill was 100% responsible for hiding the guns. If Kelly had any hand in it, say for the purpose of hoarding it for the Mallers arrival, she would have quickly revealed the cache's location the moment Tommy died and the building set on fire. Her nephew's death was her turning point. She stoicly watched over Saul while the people she had once hated fought not for their own survival but for the good of the whole tower.
Kelly, I love you but my vote went to you. You are a rat, but not the kind that abandons a sinking ship.
It was this kind of thinking that made me almost certain that Pegs was the traitor. Some of the conversation during the party between her and Bill was fishy. For example, when he asks for her name and she replies, "Pegs. You already know this." Why would he know this? He never leaves his room. Then I thought, well he did get sick and someone had to look after him, right? But I think Riley was in charge of that. Then there was the part where she pushed Michael to drink. I was thinking the same thing you were...but in the end it would make no sense because the rat knew that they had no ammo. Besides, I think she wanted Michael to get a little tipsy cause of her plan to express her feelings towards him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarchist Bunny
On another note, I don't know if this has been mentioned before but, is it possible that the Mallers got a hold of the radio that Saul was using when he followed Scratch and Latch. I believe he dropped it when they began to shoot at him, right? Could they have contacted the tower by looking at the channel that radio was set to?
The simple reason why Bill would know who Pegs was: She was in charge of the garden hence in charge of his cucumbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GChild78
The radio Saul was using was set to 23, not 18. So even if they had found the radio, it would have been set to the wrong channel. I don't think it was specified what happened to Saul's radio, but I think it would make sense he would leave it behind.
Right, Nik...which is why I no longer believe she's the rat.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
What I meant with the radio was that maybe they used that channel to contact the tower before they showed up. 23 was the channel they had agreed to use with Saul. There was no reason for them to use other channels since they had just acquired the radio. 18 was suggested by the mallers...obviously the channel used by the rat. Or maybe suggested so no one would suspect the existence of a traitor.
Missed your overall points! Sorry. I need to realize when my eyes are crossing, I should probably stop posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GChild78
Dammit, your right I hate being proved wrong. Need to go through WA another time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
I have an insane theory that just popped in my head while re-re-re-re-relistening to 2-2. Angel's gun jammed despite Michael having "fixed it". Then when they are having dinner Peggs (or Lizzie, I'm not quite sure) hears and sees something. Later we find out its is Mr. Whiskers the cat. But what if it's not just the cat? What if they have a Roach rather than a mole? It's crazy but what if there is an unknown survivor who is on the same insanity wavelength as Skittles living inside the tower walls? An escaped mental patient who has done time in Eastern Bay but was later transfered to the mental hospital. Then he recognized Angel from years back when the Leuitennant was hot wiring cars and paling around with Scratch and said, "I don't like that blonde dude so I'm going to disable his gun."
He could also be responsible for hoarding the food (Bill may have just been saying, "Sorry" for being a dick or sorry for dying).
Yes, that is the answer for sure. I knew it all along!
(nah, I'm just screwing around, but I thought it was an interesting possibility, though waaaaay far fetched)
New person here :)
I have a theory for everyone on the list for who can be the rat, but here are my three favorites:
Angel: He is desperate to be the leader for everyone. He is fresh out of officer school and Michael either constantly assumes command or people just naturally follow him. No one ever thinks to ask Angel for his input, despite him being higher ranked than Michael. I think at one point he may have contacted the Mallers and offered some space in The Tower in exchange for a leadership role among them.
Saul: Very unlikely, I know. In the beginning he expressed how ready he was to "take care of my Sarge" and side with Michael with everything. Not much has changed since he and Lizzy became involved. I think for the sake of making life easier for everyone and eliminating one threat, he would have spoken with some of the Mallers, possibly helping them out when they got attacked when he was spying. Something about him making it back to the Tower unscathed and Scratch saying days later that they followed him, despite being under attack at the time doesn't sit well with me.
Pegs: She is always there for Michael and desperate for affection from him. I think her guilt over Latch's death might not only be from her killing him, but from her bringing them to the Tower to end up being killed. We also know she isn't a fan of violence, and probably thought having ex-cons as protection or a 'flesh barrier' between her people and the zombies may have been a good idea until the fighting started.
I agree with those that think there was more than one rat, with Kelly being one. How many times has she made her views about the Tower and her dislike for the soldiers known? She even had a group at one point (almost) ready to abandon the Tower when they had a brief power problem.
Now I will sit here and wait for the barrage of people picking apart my theories :)
I think the theory about Kelly is a the most solid one. While the party was more of Pegs idea, Kelly wasn't interested in any suggestion about the party except just to break out the boose.
However my theory about the deal being made with Scratch to take out Durai is dead in the water. After whoever it is that fired the first shots from the tower, Durai talks over the CB radio after the last shot and does not sound like he is in any duress.
I chose Tommy as well.. *sticks tongue out at Ra1th*.. See SEE I am not crazy! My theory was he might have done it cause of what was going on. He was a kid without direction and kids make mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoReality95
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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid
Take it back Sid! Take it back! LOL We both know Saul was to busy practicing procreation with Lizzy to be on the radio~
Tommy is a very good boy but he is still a boy and boys make mistakes. aunt Kelly sucked as emotional support for him. yes everyone treated him ok but he was also subjected to more stress then a child of 15 should or would be able to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
Like i said originally, you bring up a good argument for tommy, but I personally dont think the traitor will be a dead person, just kills the suspense, plus the traitor could come in handy in the upcoming maller segments.
that being said I can't really disprove tommy either so yeah he's a suspect as well I guess, there's no way to know who it is past a certain degree.
what was the name of that guy that wanted to take over before Michale and the gang came back? I think he should be added to the list now that I listened to Season 2/.
He is on the list. Steven is the guys nameQuote:
Originally Posted by COsurvivor
I would think that maybe he should be on the list... What do the rest of you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Steven is the guy who tried to revolt. He is on the list as I just said
bottom of the list, i see...
I dont think its Steven because such a minor character would be such a let down. Plus the rat would have to have some connection to the mallers and you dont even hear of this character till after the war
The votes go with what we feel "it should be" not who it is...
Kelly is a bitchy character and a lawyer, so she is an easy target.
Kalani is a Brown Noser and we all hate that type of person in RL anyway. So he is there...
"Unknown" - I assume, people voted the "Unknown" resident as they did not remember the mans name or this thread was started before Chapter 20.
This thread was started after the conclusion of chapter 20. Everyone who voted should in theory have known who Steven was.Quote:
Originally Posted by COsurvivor
Steven may be considered a minor character however if he's revealed to be the rat, I betcha there will be some revelation/back story told explaining what exactly is going on and why he's the rat. That being said, I still don't think Steven is it.
Who knows, but you realize we only introduced to Kelly and Timmy for the "New Arrivals"?
So who knows what and who they let in... Not like they can do a background check on anyone.
Without a doubt, it's Angel, heres why:
He had the time, he was late to the party, the radio was set to the correct channel already,it's entirely possible he used the Tommy-Burt switchover as a chance to send the message, either that or he may have been on duty earlier, and nobody would have been around to check up on him because they were preparing for the party, so Angel would have been all alone to send the message.
Angel-Scratch appear to have link, I think Angel may have been involved in a minor(but high profile) crime, which led to Scratch and Angel becoming either involved in a romantic way or just became associates. This would also explain why Datu recognised him in Chapter 1, perhaps he was on T.V due to his crime?
He had a motive, always a great believer in the rank system(Ex. Can't we just wait for the commander?), Angel is frustrated at not being respected(Mentioned in a conversation between him and Saul) and therefore decided to do something about it, Call the maulers.
I also want to mention a few things that I feel relieve Kelly and Datu of guilt.
Kelly, despite being a massive bitch(Read:Wanting to survive more than make friends) in the earlier chapters, Wouldn't have risked Tommy's and her's life in the hands of convicts, even if the supposed Lawyer-Convict connection existed.
Datu, everybody loves Datu, always willing to help, always cheerful, until Purgatory, where the woman he loves is torn to shreds, after that, he changes, miserable, defeatist and physically incapable(for a few chapters). Datu's change of mood comes too late game for him to be the Rat, besides, he could barely get out of bed during the events of Ch.11 and 12, he wouldn't have been put on guard duty, so somebody would have seen him make the call.
Datu recognized him due to his girlfriend living in the apartment building where he worked and lived.
Also, if Scratch and Angel had been romantically involved I'm pretty sure they'd better recognize each other. Additionally, why would Angel contact the Mallers to regain the military hierarchy?
If that was the case, angel wouldn't have corrected him right after Datu said he recognised him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wicked Sid
I didn't mean it to come across as Angel contacted the mallers to regain the hierarchy, the point I am trying to make is that a combination of frustration and previous involvement with Scratch led to him contacting the Mallers.
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Originally Posted by WestonWisdom
Here’s where you’re dead wrong. Angel lacks motive. Angel does believe in the rank system, AS DOES EVERYONE ELSE IN THE MILITARY. At the time Angel firmly believed that the situation was not as dire as Michael and saul made it out to be so he figured there was no harm in waiting for the commander. After the tower had been established and by chapter 5, Angel had accepted Michael as his commander, and leader of the tower. He had also taken the second in command position. How does calling the mallers help him take command? If the mallers came in he’d lose his position as it is, as well as his FRIENDS, he was best friends with Michael and saul by the time the war had come about.
As to his whereabouts during the party. First he was drinking, then he went to dance with Riley and then he was off puking because he drank too much, after the alarm had been tripped he ran down to the guard room.
Connection with Scratch? It’s too big a jump to even assume that there is a romantic connection between the two. Maybe they’d met once in a past life, but nothing more than that can be PROVED. Not without a LOT more evidence. All we know is that Scratch feels as though she remembers Angel, and Angel might remember scratch. Its highly unlikely they had a romantic relationship because Scratch and Angel would have recognized each other immediately. It wouldn’t have been the reaction that actually occurred which is. Scratch “you seem familiar” Angel “I don’t know what your talking about”.
Also you cant even prove that angel had been involved in a crime at all. All that we know is that there POSSIBLY a link between scratch and angel. THAT’S IT. Nothing more, nothing less. Any thing based on this link is pure speculation.
The reason datu knew angel when they first came to the tower? Because his girlfriend cindy lived at the tower, he used to visit her, Datu had seen him. End of story
And here’s the usual excerpt I send whenever anyone accuses angel of being the rat.
Angel Tunudo -
Angel is another intelligent character capable enough to be the mole. However it is unlikely that Angel was behind it. At the time, Angel was Michael’s second in command. He was behind the tactical aspects of the missions, and the overall well being of the tower. He was making headway with Riley, maybe it would lead to a relationship. He was best friends with Saul and Michael. Basically, life was good for Angel. I have heard theories that maybe Angel wanted Michael’s spot as top dog of the tower, there are two problem s with this theory. First of all, calling the Mallers does not help him get that spot. If the Mallers took over the tower, then it is far more likely that he’d lose his position as second in command, if his friends found out, he’d lose them too. Second, there is absolutely no evidence that Angel wanted command, he attempted to take power after Michael quit after the war, but quickly handed power over to Burt. Angel looks up to Michael, and often turns to him for judgment and advice, he wouldn’t attempt to usurp power.
Chance of Angel being the traitor: Next to 0
It's an assumption, and its also widely accepted as the reason Datu recognized him. There is no other evidence for any other theory as to why Datu recognized him.Quote:
Originally Posted by WestonWisdom
Angel was no longer frustrated with the chain of command, by about chapter 5 or 6. By then he'd accepted his role as second in command, and Michael as leader of the tower. You'd be hard pressed to find any evidence of him showing frustration with the chain of command after chapter 5
Shrugging it off once, a mistake, shrugging it off twice, with Datu and Scratch,He is trying to avoid recognition, even if he isn't the rat, Angel has a secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Then you can make the assumption that he has a secret! that's acceptable, NOT that he's the rat!Quote:
Originally Posted by WestonWisdom
Saying Angel has accepted Michael as the leader of the tower by chapter 5, as late as chapter 20, Angel seems disgruntled at not being considered for the position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
You seem to have missed the point when I mentioned his appearance at the party, he was late to the party, he could have done it while everyone else was at the party.
Perhaps the Scratch-Angel link is too far of a jump, but this is a theory section, also, Angel doesn't want to shout Datu when he first claims to recognise him, but he wants to shoot Scratch as soon as he sees her