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Why do I get the impression that if we heard Mary say something mean spirited we would all consider her the Rat? Every time there's a character that does or says something that isn't approved of by the audience, they suddenly become the rat.
Not that I'm hatin'... I'm just sayin'
It's just, we are basically arm chair quarterbacking the scenario. Is there a big possibility Stephen is the rat? Yes. Only because it seems he really was pushing for lizzy to be kicked out so badly. But who knows, hell Kelly could be the rat. At this point I'm like the guys on the show. To many variables and the rat will show him or herself in time. And right now I don't think the mallers and the colony are running together only because Gatekeeper has more power and a stronger position now. Why would he want to be subordinate to somebody who has less people, firepower and resources?
I have to admit that I have no idea who the rat is. I don't think it's Steven tho. Awesome episode, I can't wait for next week's chapter. I'm excited to see what the mallers are up to, especially Scratch!
Well I think what we learned this week is that you simply can't trust anyone named Stephen/Steven...XD
Anyway, on a serious note, really hoping to find out how the Colony-folk are adjusting next episode. However, I think it's very fair that they weren't mentioned this episode. There was entirely too much going on, so fitting the Tanya/Saul interaction just would've been very off-track.
Burt surprised me, I was expecting the kick-out to be a result of a bad ego-trip on his part. Actually, everyone kind of surprised me! Yay! One thing that I did miss, and I can't believe I'm saying this...is Kalani being a smartass in the background of everyone's conversations lol. He's a douche, but makes for good entertainment. Never would've thought I'd be hoping for more Kalani. O_o Weird!
Burt suprised me too Mush_rooms. I like him even more now! =)Quote:
Originally Posted by mush_rooms
I'm sure this isn't the first time we agreed on something..........just don't ask what the other thing might be.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
For all intents and purposes Stephen was right. Lizzy messed up and could have killed everyone in the Tower by falling asleep on guard duty. And what a shocker: she was too tired because she is paying too much attention to Saul. Very big of Lizzy to voluntarily accept eviction to save the greater leadership structure of the Tower. Damn shame she ended up with Angel's crapped out rifle (total speculation, I just know his gun kept jamming in the beginning of the series).
Newbie here saying hello and, wow, what an episode! Some amazing doing, getting us caught up on what happened so quickly.
I agree that being a jerk doesn’t make Stephen a traitor, though I hope they manage to feed him to the mallers. ;)
Also, thrilled to see Michael stepping up and taking names. How crazy that it was his rules that got Lizzy kicked out. Lucky that he’s really learned a thing or two from his experience at the colony.
I wonder how much Pegs told Lizzy about Scratch and Latch and if she knows about Pegs getting Angel to return Latch’s body. If she knows anything at all, she is smart enough to find a way to use it.
I figure the two thugs reporting back to Scratch is just a chain of command thing. And I’m betting that Scratch will surprise us in some way.
Ok I'm going on a long limb and probably way off base but I don't think stephen is the mole I still think Kalani is, But what if Stephen has a thing for Lizzy and just prior to her shift she was knocking boots with Saul and Stephen found out without them knowing. Got pissed and spiked her beverage causing her to fall asleep and thereby setting up the scenario to be booted. I mean he was overly pissed off about the situation. Plus it could fit in with the double meaning as in, she gets pregnant???
Great episode. I'll get my two cents in before there's too many posts for me to read. (I feel bad for you, KC! Flooded by your own fame).
It occurs to me that Lizzy is the best person for Scratch to capture, because Lizzy is aware more than anybody of Pegs' remorse. When Angel dropped off Latch's body, Scratch said, "This doesn't change anything" - but I think it does. The return of Latch's body will have worked as somewhat of an olive branch, and if Scratch talks to Lizzy at all about it, I bet it will go well for the Tower. Ra1th, maybe you'll even get your teamup.
The talk from the Mallers about deserters/stragglers is just weird. It sounds as if they were in league with Gatekeeper, perhaps working as hired guns to seek out the folks who escaped. Mallers would have known who belonged to them and who could have escaped, but they needed to check Lizzy's ID to find out who she is. That might be significant.
One person wondered whether the Mallers would even question somebody having a gun, but don't forget how short they are on munitions in the first place. When we first met Latch and Scratch, they were armed but had no ammo.
I can't wait to get some of these questions answered!
You know, the first time I read that I thought--Nah, what were the odds? But I'm going through the podcasts again and noticed his Mom lived in Anaheim which is kinda near. At least, they could be related somehow or she knew his Mom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollomandious
I think there was a shift in power with the mallers and Scratch is now heading them up, as far as the question of the gun. That's more of a the mallers have already scoured everywhere and know a powerful gun such as that isn't just lying around. I don't think there is any correlation right now with the mallers and the colony, besides contact would have to be physical as the colony couldn't even reach the tower. So radio contact would be impossible with the mallers by the colony??
Another double meaning idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrScott101
Michael is back at the tower and in charge. He may end up going back to his old ways and putting Peggs at a distance. In a way saying, "Look... about the beach house thing... ya know... i wasn't in charge anymore, and now that i am, i'm kinda busy and..." and so on.
Eh? shovel:) *clang*
I agree. There are many levels to who Tanya could be to Saul, or how does she know Saul. Mom's Friend? Maybe an Aunt or something? But, i'm rootin for the Mom thang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eviebae
Maybe the lesser criminals are used in a labor sense at Maller-HQ. And there was a big break out. And since they were just a bunch of escapees, that would explain why they were curious as to her having a gun on her.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrScott101
Also, Scratch could be in charge for all we know now. Maybe Durai bit it in the battle, or got attacked on the way home. Eh?
I keep reading things about Gatekeeper and the Colony. I think the audience is confused. Is it possibly the same voice actor playing both parts, and w/ the little bit we've heard of him in this second role, he's sounding similar. [KC?] And thus people are thinking it's a link that doesn't exist?
This episode is one of the best reasons that this show reminds me of LOST(and that's a good thing). Almost everyone had their theories and were almost sure of what was going to come, but Kc always throws us a super curve ball of epic proportions we were never expecting.
Keep up the good work Kc
The reason they questioned Lizzy about the gun thing is that she was carrying an M16. An army rifle, not just a pistol or a shotgun or some hunting rifle. You don't find an M16 in a regular gun store or under the counter of a 7/11 and LIzzie doesn't look like a soldier to these Mallers. These guys had also already raided the reserve center of guns. I think they were surprised she had an assault rifle as opposed to just a firearm. If it was just a .22 or a revolver or something, they wouldn't have batted an eye (Although still take it, a gun is a gun after all)
I feel the same way...and it really makes no sense for Stephen/Steven to be the rat cause, let's face it, who would care if he was? It's not like we really know who he is, you know? How many of you cared that Paul died? I didn't. This Stephen guy just realized that they were on a sinking ship and Burt wasn't cut out to lead, and like gatekeeper, wants complete power. If you listen carefully, he says, "I'd have no problem enforcing the rules...". I think he made such a big scene to get most people on his side and overthrow Burt. I really hope Micheal shovel slaps the taste out of his mouth!!!
So, Im going to be honest here, I have not read all these posts, so if i am reiterating what someone else has said, my bad. Anyway, what if the Mole feels bad now, and they are on good terms with scratch -- unlikely, but maybe the mole has leverage. this means that it may not be as hard to get lizzy back as we think. This does have a pretty good chance of being wrong though as two captors of lizzy sounded as though scratch would be very pleased to have someone from the tower.
Maybe I'm just a newb here on the forums, but what's this talking about the mole? Wasn't it Bill? He stole and hid the guns and ammo and then called on the mallers. Isn't that it?
It is actually one of the less convincing parts of the series for me ("hey there, you're having a party, I'm your buddy! Wait, I betrayed you! Wait, I changed my mind, I will fight with you to save the tower! But still I won't tell you where the guns and ammo are, otherwise I might be too successful in saving the tower!" and then he simply dies and we'll never know) so if it actually turns out I misunderstood that, I'm glad. Our brains are simply not wired for radio drama anymore, and a lot of misunderstanding happens all the time (like with the fake-gatekeeper in this last episode).
Yeah that's what I was thinking too. I just hope we get more background on the Mallers or at least Scratch and Durai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
You guys are right that did really sound like gatekeeper. Glad to know it wasn't. This would imply that gatekeeper has already settled in as the leader of the colony and begun forming relationships with the mallers.
LOL. That's funny.
Chem,
nah it wasn't Bill. I know there are a LOT of threads here, but go and take a look through some of them. Read the "Who's the Rat" posts and poll.
I won't even push my own theory here. Suffice to say that Bill only stole weapons and food.
You are right, I'm guessing Mr. Dauri did not make it out of the last battle with the tower.Quote:
Originally Posted by timberwoof
You guys really think Scratch is strong enough to overthrow Durai? I don't. He's too strong a character. I mean unlike Marcus, he has a strength of character and a natural leader. I do think she's devious enough to sow discord, has she though? I don't think so because she and her brother are/were way too scared of Durai and he doesn't strike me as the kind of cat who'd let a slight go without a confrontation.
She's no Gatekeeper
But lets just say Durai was killed or wounded in the "War"... Then you'd have Scratch running things and breakdown in cohesion makes sense.
That was one of the last lines and it just stuck out as odd to me. What I'm thinking though after looking at some of the discussions are a couple scenarios to this.
1. Scratch is now in charge and several of the people in the Mallers deserted and that is why they are looking for runaways. Because they don't want to be lead by somebody like Scratch. She's a little miscalculating and by the seat of the pants person, where as Dauri took me for somebody who is more "Sociopathic" in nature. More intelligent and takes a broader perspective of things. Plus he seems more of a person others would look up to. Well, others many the criminal faction.
2. Dauri is still alive and after the war on the Tower he lost face with his followers and they tucked tail and ran. Dauri put Scratch in charge of retrieving the runaways and strays. There are standing orders to have all people before Scratch before they are taken to Dauri. And because they are to be taken before Scratch first, Lizzy may have a better chance of surviving due to the act of Kindness by Pegs and Angle. I'm not even going to try and predict what may happen. I'm just gonna wait and listen.
Scrath is the "Punisher" anyway. Remember how she killed that cat for messing up for sleeping on duty (sound familiar) even though it was a false accusation. Durai left it up to her to question and deal with him. She just knew better than to go in there with the truth.
She didn't have any issues feeding that dude to the creatures.
scenario one: The mallers split and you have Scratch leading one (not likely in my eyes).
scenario two: Mallers decided to take chances on their own right after the attack. simultaneous mass exodus. Remember, it wasn't a very organized retreat. They were under attack themselves then.
I think Durai is the kind of cat who's not going to take defection very well. He'll look at it as losing face and disrespect. A personal affront. So, he sends out the hounds and Scratch is the head Hound.
I can't wait to see what Michael does to this Stephen guy.
Ten,
It's not Mike he has to worry about, it's Saul. LOL
LOL! My reply didn't come out the way it sounded in my head. It wasn't meant negatively! <3 VoodooQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I know it wasn't. No worries! Besides, I keep a running tally in my head of who I don't agree with often on the forums and you don't pop up all that often... yet..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
wife and i were wondering about saul and what he knows about lizzy's leaving. he must really be out of it for no one to have said "man saul is trying to chew through his restraints to get up and go find her" guess this will be addressed in one of the next episodes. i can picture him in a wheelchair or hover round out looking for her with iv bottles clanking !
Lizzy requested that they not tell him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mem
Which leads me to believe that this JUST happened like within the past day or two. If Saul is doing ok-ish then he'll realize pretty quickly that she's not coming to see him anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
I really should put this in one post, but, this chapter shows the effect that the colony had on michael in general in my opinion, with him reconsidering the rules(a factor that had always concerned me) and his re-established confidence.
When the gun jammed and Lizzy heard the people I was like oh shit, this can't be good. When they mentioned scratch it got worse.
Anybody think Scratch will recognize her? she only saw her from a distance so its likely that scratch wouldn't recognize her. Right?
Ahhh, if only she had Saul's magic bolt cutters from the first chapter.
I'm not sure the lack of recognition would do Lizzy any good, I personally think Lizzy will buckle under pressure or Scratch will recognise her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onslaught
There's plenty of situations that could arise from this capture. I'm pretty sure that whatever it is, the return of John's body will play a role in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WestonWisdom