Chapter 19 part 3 discussion

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

I do think that it's possible The Colony could learn of the Tower's whereabouts. Don't forget that Glenn helped Michael send out a radio broadcast to the tower, revealing the Tower's location somewhere to the North. If a reconisance team from the Colony ran into some of the Mallers I believe there may be a chance of an uneasy alliance forming between them to take out the tower. So we may see a reinforced army of Mallers vs. the Tower. Maybe.

Then there was that little prick of the ears by the doctor. She does seem to know Saul. I don't know if she was anxious to see him because he was injured or anxious because she knows a soldier by the name of Saul. Man, so much to talk about but I'm going to halt it right there.

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see the problem with a maller/colony team up is just overkill, hell the tower is the weakest member of the trio by far to begin with, if you have a super power like the colony team up with a superpower like the mallers, the tower is compltely screwed, BUT maybe the fact that they are being hunted by the colony/mallers, will lead to the tower finding a plane and making a run for it, but its to early to tell. honestly, i would be much happier if the colony fought the mallers, just to have that giant war with all the factions, and have the tower run around reaking all sorts of havoc while the other two focus on killing each other. but the future and the finale is up for grabs at this point.

AND TANYA, you brought up something that made me remember something from one of the early chapters. Saul's. Mother. Lives. In. Anaheim. Is it possible that tanya is saul's mom? We don't know tanya's last name. it might be a long shot, but i'm throwing it out there.

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Originally Posted by Kc

Now I can finally say the reason this one was so long is because I didn't want to spend any more time away from the tower, but we needed every second to wrap up the events at the colony for it all to make sense.

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ah i see, so that's why we had a linear storyline focused only on the colony for the whole chapter, but i am ridiculously happy to see the story shift back to the tower, and all the towerfolk, I was even happy to see Datu... which says a lot cause i think datu can go straight to hell. Cant wait for the march 21st episode, a special episode about the tower for my birthday! :D

That episode was great! 2 week wait for the next one. Oh man! I don't think Lizzy is the mole. I wonder what she did.

Lizzy got kicked? Why do I think Kalani had something to do with it?

Kelly and Victor, bow chick wow wow.

I didn't think it would happen but this episode actually had me cheering. Such an awesome episode.

I love this episode (Heck I love them all) and man, Gatekeeper (Or I guess Leader now) is worse than I initially thought. I finally realized how sick and crazy he is when he talked about how they will have to make Marcus look like he was torn apart by zombies and then said he would enjoy that part. I hate GateKeeper/Leader so much now uuurrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhh! He has so got to die! Even if I have to enter the We're Alive universe to strangle him with my bare hands. I imagine him as a smaller fellow, just a bit below average height with a slender build...have to go back to the episode he is described in. I think I can take him. Michael should have finished the job on Bigsby's face with the shovel, that's how that jerk needs to die.

I am so relieved that we are back at the Tower, but the Colony can't be forgotten about. GateKeeper/Leader NEEDS to come back, so I can hear him dying in a horrible, cowardly fashion. I wonder how he got past Marcus's guard dogs? Poor dogs getting all shot...unless he didn't and the dogs killed him. While the obvious bet is that Marcus is dead, the way things were left means it is somewhat possible he survived since we don't really know what happened. I'm just the kind of guy who never believes someone is dead unless their corpse is front of me, in several pieces and checked for vital signs. Also I want GateKeeper/Leader to be torn apart somehow.

Lastly, I found the Datu/Hope very sweet, touched my heart. Yet the final line of the episode left me going eyes wide with a WTF expression. You have some splaining to do KC. Also, send me into the We're Alive world so I may beat upon GateKeeper/Leader and pound Bigsby with a shovel

Well i think its a point worth bringing up that we don't actually KNOW marcus is dead. We didn't see him die, we didn't hear what happened because we were busy following MPKVHT on their escape attempt. Maybe Marcus survived the assassination attempt? It wouldn't be the first time, there was a certain incident at a certain water pump where a certain leader was presumed dead for many chapters until he showed up in a hummer with a broken arm and saved the day.

I wouldn't mind that actually, after 19-2 Marcus had begun to grow on me, he was a man who did what he had to do for the greater good of the majority, and along the way he picked up some nice things for himself, and some compromises had to be made on people's freedom for their security, I wouldnt mind him joining the tower (or the mallers!), if he's still alive that is

Fantastic episode. Just fantastic. I literally jumped for joy multiple times.

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Originally Posted by ObamaCat

Fantastic episode. Just fantastic. I literally jumped for joy multiple times.

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haha same here, like when kelly shot the flare when the snipers were using nightvision, that was so awesome, or even better, when they got back to the tower, and everything was ok! (cept lizzy, but lets face it, she prly deserved it (besides i'm sure she's fine, they wouldnt just kick her out without any weapons and food))

After this episode, I can see a joint op, Tower + Mallers attack on the colony

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

haha same here, like when kelly shot the flare when the snipers were using nightvision, that was so awesome, or even better, when they got back to the tower, and everything was ok! (cept lizzy, but lets face it, she prly deserved it (besides i'm sure she's fine, they wouldnt just kick her out without any weapons and food))

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As much as I like Lizzy, I would definitely sacrifice her for MPKVHT's safe return. I was only slightly saddened by that since I was so worried they were going to find the Tower abandoned or attacked.

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Originally Posted by ObamaCat

After this episode, I can see a joint op, Tower + Mallers attack on the colony

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you just made my day :)

Mallers and the Colony team up and attack the Tower after Gate Keeper squeezes information out of Glen and Pete.

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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

Mallers and the Colony team up and attack the Tower after Gate Keeper squeezes information out of Glen and Pete.

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but how would the tower defend something like that? The only thing they could do is make a run for it, maybe try and get a plane and fly away (kalani is a pilot, Pegs's dad was a pilot) BUT there is still the big ground zero mystery in LA that needs to be figured out, and INK is still in LA, so i don't think they'll leave just yet.

Man, it felt good to hear some familiar voices in this episode. I was in complete shock hearing Lizzie was kicked out. I have a few ideas as to why, but maybe I'll get into those later. Not so much as being a mole.. but other reasons.

God, why must you leave us with these cliffhangers all the time? No fun!

THEY LEFT BEHIND PETE!!! :( poor guy, he just wanted to spread the love with his bottled water.

The entire Lizzy thing is something I think I'm just going to have to wait to see, rather than poking at something I have VERY few details about. Angel seemed kind of blasé about Lizzy being kicked out, but maybe I'm reading into that wrong.

An interesting theory I think might develop out of this stuff is a mixed alliance. I think the Mallers may ally themselves with the colony, and the Tower will be hard pressed to defend themselves, until... Scratch switches sides within the enemy camp and turns the tide.

This will need to have to more development in Scratch's character, but I think much more development is in the making.

By the way, if any of you are going to PAX East, and see Greg Miller, you know you want him to sign your water bottle.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

you just made my day :)

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Glad to hear that :)

I don't think the colony poses as much of a threat now. I'm sure a lot of lives were lost in the rebellion, and people loyal to Marcus will continue to fight afterwords, so they won't have as much manpower as before and MPKV took most of the guns and ammo and the colony will be hard-pressed to fight without those.

Honestly right now all I want is a tower centric episode. I wanna know what's been goin on. I wanna see Angel hang out with Michael and Saul. I wanna see Saul get better. See if Riley came out of the closet yet. I wanna see the changes in kalani's character and I'd love to hear Burt again. Man I really missed the tower! And as much as I like the mallers I don't think we should be focusing on anyone but the tower for a chapter or so

Very true. I don't necessarily anticipate an attack on / by the colony anytime soon, but can see it happening in the future.

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Originally Posted by j0be

An interesting theory I think might develop out of this stuff is a mixed alliance. I think the Mallers may ally themselves with the colony, and the Tower will be hard pressed to defend themselves, until... Scratch switches sides within the enemy camp and turns the tide.

This will need to have to more development in Scratch's character, but I think much more development is in the making.
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I don't think it's likely for scratch to turn against the mallers for the towers sake. Zombiehead put it best scratch hate pegs for killing latch. I don't think she'd willingly do anything to help Peggs

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

Well i think its a point worth bringing up that we don't actually KNOW marcus is dead. We didn't see him die, we didn't hear what happened because we were busy following MPKVHT on their escape attempt. Maybe Marcus survived the assassination attempt? It wouldn't be the first time, there was a certain incident at a certain water pump where a certain leader was presumed dead for many chapters until he showed up in a hummer with a broken arm and saved the day.

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That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Especially in this type of genre, I need to see a corpse to be SURE that someone is dead. I wasn't convinced Michael was dead that time either. I think it would be a good twist if Marcus and his pack of bodyguards survived. Also, if that happened I would be able to shout, "Called it!" to no one in particular. In fact, the only reason I accept Samantha is dead is that we heard her final screams and that is one of the deaths that I do not want to accept

Best line for me was "I got 50 pounds of ammo on my back, but hey, what's a few more?" Loved it, absolutely loved it.

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Originally Posted by DakotaYoda

GREAT episode. Nice resolution to the Colony though I don't think that's the end of them yet. Like Victor said - they probably DO blame them for everything that happened. They'll be back.

I like Angel more every episode he's in... "Oh look. Datu's crying again."

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that was my favorite line.

KC and cast, great, great episode. I'm a cranky 44 year old guy and this episode gave me chills,literally, a couple of times.
Glad they are back in the tower, hearing familiar voices was nice.
Didn't lizzie screw up a while back letting Ink in the Tower? Maybe Burt was getting back at her.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

KC and cast, great, great episode. I'm a cranky 44 year old guy and this episode gave me chills,literally, a couple of times.
Glad they are back in the tower, hearing familiar voices was nice.
Didn't lizzie screw up a while back letting Ink in the Tower? Maybe Burt was getting back at her.

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Burt wouldn't do something so petty like that. Besides if his reason for kicking her out didn't hold obvious reason, then her friends would have stuck up for her. I know Angel would (even though she hates him) the only reason they would allow something like this to happen is if Lizzie and Burt argued about something (prly Saul) and by the end of it Burt gave her an ultimatum and she chose to leave (maybe to fin help for Saul?) rather than stay.Or so I think

Dear God I freaked when the group left the colony, even gasped a few times. I started to cry when Mike said they were going "home" the fact they all keep saying "home" makes me so happy. Also I love Datu now being Hope's "daddy". I'm just happy that we are back at the Tower. But, Lizzie, now I'm scared for her and Saul! What did she do? I think maybe she did something with Saul, like take off the shackles or even...no, Lizzie could be the rat!

"Oh, look - Datu's crying again."

Best line award for the episode goes to Angel.

So no one has touched this subject. Michael's and Kelly's journals were left at the colony. This could mean that the colony knows where the tower is at. MPKVHT left in such a hurry that they left their journals, except for Pegs, in the house.

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Originally Posted by NJHellfire

So no one has touched this subject. Michael's and Kelly's journals were left at the colony. This could mean that the colony knows where the tower is at. MPKVHT left in such a hurry that they left their journals, except for Pegs, in the house.

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The journals were not left. They were taken with them. Kelly grabbed them in the scene when Victor is explaining what happened.

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Originally Posted by NJHellfire

So no one has touched this subject. Michael's and Kelly's journals were left at the colony. This could mean that the colony knows where the tower is at. MPKVHT left in such a hurry that they left their journals, except for Pegs, in the house.

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Kelly grabbed those.

*Edit* Damn, Kc beat me by milli-seconds.

didn't kelly specifically run back for their journals, when victor was getting guns? i figured she'd gotten all of theirs

*Edit* Double beaten by Sid and Kc

MPKVHT. Best acronym ever.

Listening through it again I realized Kelly did. I didn't hear it the first time because it was a short conversation amongst a plethora of action

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Originally Posted by ObamaCat

MPKVHT. Best acronym ever.

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Sounds like a bad guy army from Call of Duty Black Ops.

I was cleaning the kitchen while listening to this episode (having listened to 19-1 & 2 while eating dinner). I seriously had to sit down, holding my head in my hands because I stopped breathing so many times during this episode that I couldn't concentrate on anything but the action that I was listening to. God damn, Kc. Please remember us little people when you're like holy shit famous Hollywood guy? Thanks.

My prediction: Chapter 20 - Moving day. They HAVE to get out of the Tower.

Going to re-listen before I make comments about the rest of the theories flying around.

hahhaah i gave up on trying to multitask while listening to new episodes of we're alive! waaaayy to difficult. I tried listening to a new episode while driving once... BAD FUCKING IDEA!!!

Soooo, if Lizzie really got kicked out and isn't dead, (and isn't just living in a building next door. Angel didn't sound super worried, so she may not be in a horrible position), where are the two major places she could end up? First up is that she may have gone to the Mallers to try and get some medicine/help for Saul. That would set up some interesting events of its own, and is probably more likely than the next option but possibly not as exciting. The other option, the one that makes me silly giddy, is that she could end up at the arena requiring the Tower to launch an offensive to free her. That would be nuts.

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Originally Posted by shananala8

Soooo, if Lizzie really got kicked out and isn't dead, (and isn't just living in a building next door. Angel didn't sound super worried, so she may not be in a horrible position), where are the two major places she could end up? First up is that she may have gone to the Mallers to try and get some medicine/help for Saul. That would set up some interesting events of its own, and is probably more likely than the next option but possibly not as exciting. The other option, the one that makes me silly giddy, is that she could end up at the arena requiring the Tower to launch an offensive to free her. That would be nuts.

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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe she was the snitch. But, not to cause trouble. Just to see if she could get some help for Saul. I'd like to see her with the mallers. So that the mallers and the tower team up and take on the Colony. That would be pretty exciting. Just my 2 cents!

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Originally Posted by Pen

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe she was the snitch. But, not to cause trouble. Just to see if she could get some help for Saul. I'd like to see her with the mallers. So that the mallers and the tower team up and take on the Colony. That would be pretty exciting. Just my 2 cents!

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That doesn't make any sense. The radio snitch happened before Saul got shot so he wasn't sick so Lizzie had no call to try to radio them for help for Saul.