Chapter 20 Part 3 Discussion

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Originally Posted by Rock Daddy

... I do think that Lizzy is saying "No" to the new place the mallers are at ... Both because it's a different location and also because it's somewhere her friends won't be able to penetrate.

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That's the impression I had; except I didn't think the second part, just that it was somewhere else than expected.

Scratch said she didn't care the guy was about to rape Lizzy, but she acted like she cared. Besides her possibly having a sense of empathy, she's a woman too and it has to be hard for her around an all male chorus.

Some thoughts on Scratch:
The way Scratch said "you're sick" made me wonder. Specifically, if this was something that was starting to happen amongst the survivors. Either that, or she thought Lizzy might be pregnant. Being the leader means caring about what happens to the people under you. Not just yelling because you want to tell people what to do. I'm hoping that Scratch is starting to grow as a person

Johnny survived having a lot of burns, wonder if there's a doctor with the Mallers. If so, is he experimenting.

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

Johnny survived having a lot of burns, wonder if there's a doctor with the Mallers. If so, is he experimenting.

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Love this theory. That could get real interesting if the Mallers somehow figure out how to control the zombies, or at least certain breeds of them.

Ok, here's a theory I haven't heard yet. What if the mallers have joined forces with the Colony and the list of people they're looking for is the names of Michael, Kelly, Pegs, Hope, Tanya and Victor? Additionally, did you pick up on the comment from Scratch when she's talking to the guy who was going to rape Lizzy? He asks if they have heard anything recently from, what seems to me, the person in the tower and Scratch says, "Not recently." So I guess that means Lizzy is definitely not the traitor.

Woah some interesting theories bouncing around. You guys are killing me by making me read through all these posts :/ :p. While I think the thought that perhaps Lizzy saw someone she knew as opposed to somewhere is very interesting, I think it was a somewhere that she saw. I can't imagine anyone too important that's missing that would cause her to gasp.

i hate the idea that the colony and the mallers are working together. that sounds sooo dumb. Hey we have two great sets of villains on this show, you know what would be great lets have them work together, yeah that sounds awesome. What good does that do? what does that accomplish? If the tower was some sort of insane unstopable super power, thats one thing, but they arent. the tower is the underdog. they have 20 - 30 people just trying to get by. of those 20 people 5-8 of them are actually capable as soldiers. The colony is MASSIVE theres around a 1000 people living there, thats a huge number compared to 20-30. same with the mallers, we dont know what their numbers are like but its probably estimated in the hundreds somewhere between 100 and 400. Look its been established that both of these guys are BAD people, gatekeeper is bad, the mallers tried to rape lizzy, etc. etc. From a story telling perspective, what good comes from having these two join forces? it just seems soooo cheesy and stupid,

gatekeeper: wow scratch i like your style
scratch: oh your pretty messed up in the head, we should join forces


if anything these two forces would tear each other apart on sight

Ra1th, you mad bro? :p I think if that since the Tower's enemies so vastly outnumber them it adds more tension and need for them to get to Fort Irwin. They need to get Lizzy, and get to LAX asap so Kalani can fly them out (and finally have a use on the show).

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Originally Posted by ObamaCat

Ra1th, you mad bro? :p I think if that since the Tower's enemies so vastly outnumber them it adds more tension and need for them to get to Fort Irwin. They need to get Lizzy, and get to LAX asap so Kalani can fly them out (and finally have a use on the show).

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hahah i'm not mad, it usually takes someone prodding at angel to get me super worked up

but i'll say this, i dont think we'll see the tower leaving LA just yet, or not this season anyway. i know at the climax of season1 michaels ending line was " we gotta leave the tower" and we were all like ohhahhhhhhhhalsd;kjfa;dkjsfa;djf omygoooodhooooshiiiit

but then if you start thinking about it, theres too much shit going on in LA for them to leave so soon. INK is in LA. Ground Zero is in LA, the second tower mystery is in LA. the key to the mystery behind the zombies? its all in LA. I suppose you could leave it all behind because survival is more important, but I really hope they dont just abandon this plot. cause the thing is, we're alive isnt like the walking dead where they authors refuse to tell us anythign about how it started and how it spread. We're alive gave us some serious hints to this, and foreshadowed more information to come. Like when kalani said the second tower had information on ground zero and even knew where it was!, that was intense, the news broadcast about INK being taken to the mental institution, finding out the zombie evolutions, skittles!, tracking the zombies to their base of operations, ALL of this is in LA, and all of this has been begging the question of how did this begin? how did this spread? and is there a way to stop it? and from the way all this info was presented it seemed like an answer would be given at some point or another, but if htey leave LA that answer will never come

This theory is based on the assumption that Durai was killed.
IF he was killed, then maybe, just maybe, that was the reason the mallers had deserters. With no strong sense of leadership they would feel unsafe and would not want to follow Scratches crazy iron fist. with fewer people, and almost no weapons, they would be forced to move from the strip mall as it would be too big to secure by the few they had left. It would make them move someplace smaller and more secure where they could chill out for a while, while they looked for deserters to get back. Although there was a part that scratch said something to the guy that was going to rape Lizzy that he needed to be meeting up with the others. Now I don't know if this meant they're all in one area scouting the place out, but it seems like they're actually on the move splitting up then regrouping. I may be wrong it all depends on if Durai was killed or if hes still alive.

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

This theory is based on the assumption that Durai was killed.
IF he was killed, then maybe, just maybe, that was the reason the mallers had deserters. With no strong sense of leadership they would feel unsafe and would not want to follow Scratches crazy iron fist. with fewer people, and almost no weapons, they would be forced to move from the strip mall as it would be too big to secure by the few they had left. It would make them move someplace smaller and more secure where they could chill out for a while, while they looked for deserters to get back. Although there was a part that scratch said something to the guy that was going to rape Lizzy that he needed to be meeting up with the others. Now I don't know if this meant they're all in one area scouting the place out, but it seems like they're actually on the move splitting up then regrouping. I may be wrong it all depends on if Durai was killed or if hes still alive.

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see heres the other thing, the one theory i hate more than the mallers and the colony joining forces is the idea that durai somehow died. that seems so ridiculous. Durai was introduced as this extremely powerful, highly dangerous, very capable character. He was the omnious leader of the mallers, a man who whipped hundreds of hardened criminals, rapists and killers into his own personal army then used them to brutally survive in the post apocalyptic world. This guy is a swiss army knife of the darkside. We know nothing about him, but he's apparently capable of almost anything. so basically kc introduced this really cool, dark, mysterious badass villain/big boss character. Obviously some serious thought went into how this character would be recieved and the reputation surrounding this character, and he has a hell of a reputation, the mallers shake in fear at the mere mention of his name. that takes time and effort to build that kind of a mythology surrounding this character. I guarantee you Durai is not dead. That is not the type of person who would have just died behind the scenes because some zombies showed up. consider durai the supersoldier human version of Ink, its too big a stretch to assume he was killed off camera. what evidence is there that he's not alive any more? people report to scratch? the mallers have grown in size and number (see above posts) they arent a small group like the tower, there are hundreds of them, durai needs a second in command to manage day to day activities and smaller problems like some stranger being taken prisoner by some low level goons. he's got bigger better things to plan. Basically durai isnt dead, i'll bet any of you, anything that he isnt. I'm not syaing he wont die, im just saying he has not been killed off camera because thats lame and stupid, and a total waste of a really cool character.

The colony and the mallers are not working together unless gatekeeper was a plant by the mallers quite a while ago, or gatekeeper is Durai in disguise.

but I bet where ever the mallers are at, skittles knows the way in and his true "taste the rainbow" will come out and lead the tower defenders to rescue Lizzy and maybe even prevent Saul from getting wiped off the face of the planet.