Chapter 40-1 Monsters

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Paranoid schizophrenics - they do get medical treatment like pills and shit, right? Would things like this have allowed Ink to remain partially human and thus self-aware and half way down the self-control to allow him to become the zombie-lord of LA?

Best wishes!
Liam

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Quick Idea... we know that The Zombies are effected by chemicals. The Haze. Michael's chloroform. What is to say that Ink is still not taking his meds? That he is a Smart One (Which we Kinda already know), and knows that he needs them? Who is to say that he is nots still taking his meds? That his meds are the reason he is not nuts? Could be that that combined with him being a "Smart One" is the reason he is so much more lucid.

Also, I think the proof he is turned is the fact he controls the Zombies. We know they can tell if you are turned or not. They run in packs and don't get confused and check you out when they see you. They can tell you are, or are not, one of them. Masking your smell means they just can't track you. They still know what you are though. That being said... They don't randomly attack Ink. They follow him and listen to him. They have not done that with any none turned ones.

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Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire

If Skittles were the cell mate, would he really refer to Ink as "The coloured one" though?

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Maybe not....... but you also have to remember that Skittles has officially gone off the deep end. There is a time in Dunbar where we hear Duncan talking and thinking normal...... Then once it all goes down he loses it.

Also, Keep in mind, unless I am extremely mistaken......... Duncan is the person who let Ink into Dunbar to begin with. It could very well be that Duncan knew him and let him in, and then he was so messed up by what he did that he snapped and became the Skittles that we all know and love today.

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Originally Posted by Verse

Quick Idea... we know that The Zombies are effected by chemicals. The Haze. Michael's chloroform. What is to say that Ink is still not taking his meds? That he is a Smart One (Which we Kinda already know), and knows that he needs them? Who is to say that he is nots still taking his meds? That his meds are the reason he is not nuts? Could be that that combined with him being a "Smart One" is the reason he is so much more lucid.

Also, I think the proof he is turned is the fact he controls the Zombies. We know they can tell if you are turned or not. They run in packs and don't get confused and check you out when they see you. They can tell you are, or are not, one of them. Masking your smell means they just can't track you. They still know what you are though. That being said... They don't randomly attack Ink. They follow him and listen to him. They have not done that with any none turned ones.

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True or Ink could be partially turned....

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Maybe not....... but you also have to remember that Skittles has officially gone off the deep end. There is a time in Dunbar where we hear Duncan talking and thinking normal...... Then once it all goes down he loses it.

Also, Keep in mind, unless I am extremely mistaken......... Duncan is the person who let Ink into Dunbar to begin with. It could very well be that Duncan knew him and let him in, and then he was so messed up by what he did that he snapped and became the Skittles that we all know and love today.

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Since we learned about Dr William Isaac Roberts, I've wondered if Duncan recognized Ink at Dunbar. If Duncan knew him before the murders and didn't know about the legal stuff, then the tats would seem way out of place and probably given him pause as to letting him in, I think.

If Duncan knew him from prison and had seen him with tats then Duncan would have to have been an inmate who was released shortly before Zday (it's a possibility) and would know Ink as a violent felon. Maybe enough stuff was topsy turvy for Duncan in the post apocalyptic world that he was cool letting a convicted murderer into his home. Maybe he had some affiliation with Ink back then. Given Duncan's breakdown, maybe he had been in the mental ward at Cain with Ink....

Now that I've typed breakdown, I'm reminded of Sean's words to CJ in the Kalani flashback about her having had a past "breakdown." We don't know any more than that at the moment, but, :tinfoil: , what if CJ's breakdown was pre-Zday and earned her a stay at a particular hospital ward.... Hmmm.....

And just another technical question:

Is it still valid to classify Ink as a mass murderer? "Mass murder is the act of murdering a large number of people, typically at the same time or over a relatively short period of time." (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murderer)

Has he not gone beyond the break-even-point to call him a serial killer? "A serial killer is traditionally defined as a person who has murdered three or more people[1][2] over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders.[3][4] The motivation for killing is usually based on psychological gratification." (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer)

Nevertheless, I have to admit that this definition lacks a solid mathematical foundation as the break-even-function is likely to have some discontinuities - e.g. "three or more", "cooling off period")

Ah, just more and more questions...

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

And just another technical question:

Is it still valid to classify Ink as a mass murderer? "Mass murder is the act of murdering a large number of people, typically at the same time or over a relatively short period of time." (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murderer)

Has he not gone beyond the break-even-point to call him a serial killer? "A serial killer is traditionally defined as a person who has murdered three or more people[1][2] over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders.[3][4] The motivation for killing is usually based on psychological gratification." (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer)

Nevertheless, I have to admit that this definition lacks a solid mathematical foundation as the break-even-function is likely to have some discontinuities - e.g. "three or more", "cooling off period")

Ah, just more and more questions...

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It depends on point of view and quality of the media ... Mass murder sounds so much more "infotaining" than serial killer ...

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

Look at his face...

Time and time again we see the families desecrate the face.

Scratch
Charlie
Pippin
Gatekeeper

So, was the family marking Ink or did he do it to himself? It said inflicted, right. That would indicate he was not willing. Pretty hard to instigate a world wide pandemic from prison. But, saying there is a group of families are really an Apocalyptic cult trying to destroy the world could get you labeled as paranoid skitzo. Providing proof by showing the existence of corpse gas at Raydon Labs might get you a plea deal. The families might then have to up their time frame for z-day.

Remember, even in our current world there are people calling for the murder of 6 billion people to bring humanity back in balance with nature. Burt even comments on the roof of Lock and Loaded about how now there are so few of us things are going to change. Isn't he talking about the stars? Michael talks about the pollution and being able to see that island

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Even Randy has a marking on his face now.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

It depends on point of view and quality of the media ... Mass murder sounds so much more "infotaining" than serial killer ...

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Yes, that is true. The German police does not make a difference between these two. But, it is good to know that "mass murders are very rare, far less than one percent of all murders are mass murders." Well, that is good to know, German Wikipedia, I feel relieved now. :D

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Originally Posted by scbubba

Since we learned about Dr William Isaac Roberts, I've wondered if Duncan recognized Ink at Dunbar. If Duncan knew him before the murders and didn't know about the legal stuff, then the tats would seem way out of place and probably given him pause as to letting him in, I think.

If Duncan knew him from prison and had seen him with tats then Duncan would have to have been an inmate who was released shortly before Zday (it's a possibility) and would know Ink as a violent felon. Maybe enough stuff was topsy turvy for Duncan in the post apocalyptic world that he was cool letting a convicted murderer into his home. Maybe he had some affiliation with Ink back then. Given Duncan's breakdown, maybe he had been in the mental ward at Cain with Ink....

Now that I've typed breakdown, I'm reminded of Sean's words to CJ in the Kalani flashback about her having had a past "breakdown." We don't know any more than that at the moment, but, :tinfoil: , what if CJ's breakdown was pre-Zday and earned her a stay at a particular hospital ward.... Hmmm.....

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I thought Ducan letting Ink in was a mistake. Was he distract by someone and he didn't look at the screen at the time.

More and more I think Ink was the cause or catalyst. Not that he knew 100% what was going to happen but it really wanted to give a big FU to the world and break shite up. Just a hunch or feeling, especially for me after finding out that Ground Zero was definitely man made as the haze is gone.