Chapter 29- Beyond Our Walls Part 3

Re Osiris, I don't think Angel was dirty He didn't have time to be a made man. I think he just had family in a criminal syndicate, and chose to turn away from it to a higher path.

And I was kinda dissapointed in how Angel went. Yeah yeah, anyone can die, but Kalani got to crash a chopper into an oil tanker and got a whole episode to close his storyline off! All Angel gets is no lines and the rep that in the end, he was a badass.

He had so much more to do, in the future. I suppose thats the saddest part. But, thats death I guess. :P

Edit: And I think thats an accurate description of the framing mechanism. The stuff we see is just what was written down or recorded. This is the story if a third generation survivor struggling through why hes one of the five last people on earth. :)

So we still don't really know if Tania is immune. If this person was a slow turner, would there have been enough of 'whatever makes people turn' in the bite to make Tania turn? Could it be that she is turning even slower? We don't know of any other person who had time to clean the wound after being bitten.
The same with Saul, we don't know it there would have been enough active 'whatever it is that makes people turn' on the bullet that went into him. It could still be just the antibiotics that made him able to breath when he went to ground zero.
It could be a coincidence that they both have immune seeming happenings.
Just playing the Devils Advocate. :)

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Originally Posted by Privateer

Re Osiris, I don't think Angel was dirty He didn't have time to be a made man. I think he just had family in a criminal syndicate, and chose to turn away from it to a higher path.

And I was kinda dissapointed in how Angel went. Yeah yeah, anyone can die, but Kalani got to crash a chopper into an oil tanker and got a whole episode to close his storyline off! All Angel gets is no lines and the rep that in the end, he was a badass.

He had so much more to do, in the future. I suppose thats the saddest part. But, thats death I guess. :P

Edit: And I think thats an accurate description of the framing mechanism. The stuff we see is just what was written down or recorded. This is the story if a third generation survivor struggling through why hes one of the five last people on earth. :)

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In my profession I see death ever day. I agree with you that death is unfair, unjust, unwarranted and unkind but it is also a blessing at times. In Angel's case death was a blessing. He was suffering, his time was done and he went out as he lived.. defiant and refusing to back down.

Stunning episode.... FINALLY we get some answers from the end of Season 2...


Tanya Immune, revisited
Nobody mentioned much about Tanya in all the Angel-weeping going on, but many of us have either been of the opinion that Tanya either developed a zombie-resistant vaccine or that Tanya is immune to Zombism. It certainly seems now like the latter. If she developed an experimental cure, you'd think that would have been the time to mention it. Now the question is how long she is going to remain a prisoner there...


Fallen Angel
Speaking of prisoners, we finally catch up with 'blond boy', who apparently has been reduced to a gurgling mound of hamburger after his fall from the collapsing tower. So:

• Kudos to Kc for not snapping the threads of believability by having TWO characters escape a collapsing tower unharmed. The dead Angel thing is a downer, but it would have been a downer even if he lived, given his condition.
  
• As many have pointed out, Angel was apparently born into some type of Mafia family, then tried to go straight. Many of us have theorized a crime background for Angel and this confirms it. Puts his hotwiring skills into context, anyway.
  
• Now the question is why Scratch had Tardust film the whole thing. For whom? If it was for Burt of Lizzy, she would have just brought them in person to see Angel--why make a film of it? The only reason I can think of is that Scratch wanted to use the Angel video to blackmail the Tower-folk into forking over Pegs. What will she do when she finds out that flower girl is now a few thousand miles away, in Colarado??

The Maller's New Digs
Seems unlikely to me that they are at the Colony. If they were, they would have to be at Tanya's old hospital, and it seems unlikely that they would house prisoners there (Burt is clearly in the same building as Angel, given that we followed Scratch's footsteps all the way to his door in one continuous take). Curious to find out where they are now...


The Return of BURT!
I was SOOOOOOO happy to hear the old man's voice--alive and presumably well. You can hear the rattle of manacles when Scratch wakes him up, which tells me that he is at least healthy enough to make an escape if he wasn't chained down. So great! Now is a good time to revisit my old "Dangling Burt" theory, which I posted back in January as the only conceivably way that Burt could have survived that fall from the broken zip-line:

"Dangling Burt" Theory, 3.0
- Burt was about 3/4 down the zip line when it snapped, the break in the line coming somewhere between him and the building he was sliding to.
- When the line snapped, he fell and screamed, but his Marine training and quick-thinking led him to wrench the hand brake on the now-slack line, causing him to swing backwards and crash into the side of the Tower, knocking him out cold.
- The chopper assumed he fell straight to the ground, and all the smoke and whatnot prevented them from seeing that he was actually dangling about a dozen feet or so off the ground, still hanging from the Tower.
- Since he was off the ground, the Zeds were not able to make a quick snack of him, and they all scattered when the Tower started to collapse.
- Burt came-to moments later, just managing to release the hand brake, drop to the ground, and run a few life-saving yards away when the whole tower came down, engulfing him and everything around it on huge plumes of smoke and debris. Perhaps he got caught under some falling debris and the Mallers captured him from there.


Anyway, I'll be so happy if this isn't just a one-off and the story actually shifts to Burt, Lizzy, and the Mallers for awhile.

It's been a long wait.

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Originally Posted by Privateer

Re Osiris, I don't think Angel was dirty He didn't have time to be a made man. I think he just had family in a criminal syndicate, and chose to turn away from it to a higher path.

And I was kinda dissapointed in how Angel went. Yeah yeah, anyone can die, but Kalani got to crash a chopper into an oil tanker and got a whole episode to close his storyline off! All Angel gets is no lines and the rep that in the end, he was a badass.

He had so much more to do, in the future. I suppose thats the saddest part. But, thats death I guess. :P

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Whoa, easy. Who says he was or wasn't a made man? We have no idea how much back story we're missing on Angel. We have no information about his personal life at all. There is NOTHING to prove otherwise. That being said, I never said he was a made man either. I just said he was dirty, and he certainly way. He knew Scratch before all of this, she knew him--they had a history that we don't understand and will probably never know.

As for how Angel went out? He went out like a man. He final words were a big fuck you to Scratch and she put him down. He was dying painfully and slowly. Scratch showed him more mercy than any of you would be likely to show her. Says something about her character, don't it? You could argue that it was out of anger, but it wasn't. Scratch showed she has a huge heart.

/ScratchRant

It would have been awesome if he had gone down shooting though.

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

• Now the question is why Scratch had Tardust film the whole thing. For whom? If it was for Burt of Lizzy, she would have just brought them in person to see Angel--why make a film of it? The only reason I can think of is that Scratch wanted to use the Angel video to blackmail the Tower-folk into forking over Pegs. What will she do when she finds out that flower girl is now a few thousand miles away, in Colarado??

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Durai told them to record it: approx. 8:09.

As for forking over Pegs? Fork Pegs. Fork her over real good.

I'm more dissapointed in the narrative sense I just felt that character deserved more of a send off. But, he did go out like a boss!

And the reason I said he wasn't a made man is because of his age and background. He was fresh out of OCS,, and likey went into that right out of college. Which meant he had to get into college and do well enough academically to join as an officer. Unless hes stealing cars for the mob at fifteen (And having enough of that backgroind might show up on his background check), he simply doesn't have the time to be a career criminal.

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Originally Posted by Privateer

Unless hes stealing cars for at fifteen

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That would explain a few things...

way to go angel give scratch the big F U

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Originally Posted by Privateer

I'm more dissapointed in the narrative sense I just felt that character deserved more of a send off. But, he did go out like a boss!

And the reason I said he wasn't a made man is because of his age and background. He was fresh out of OCS,, and likey went into that right out of college. Which meant he had to get into college and do well enough academically to join as an officer. Unless hes stealing cars for the mob at fifteen (And having enough of that backgroind might show up on his background check), he simply doesn't have the time to be a career criminal.

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Not to pick bones, but I've known people who were career criminals BY the age of 15, let alone just starting. Whether or not he was 'made' has nothing to do with his familial connection, as Scratch was so kind to point out.