Chapter 30-Short Term Memory part 2

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

As cold hearted as Scratch is, I don't think she'd kill a pregnant woman's unborn child. She may kill Lizzy at some point and try to save the baby, but I think simply for the fact that Lizzy is pregnant, she is alive.

I don't have a definite opinion as to what is going on with Lizzy and Bricks. It could be a number of things; like she recognized his personality type and knew how to manipulate him into being her protected, but over time he won her over with his general good nature and now they are genuine friends, or they could be shagging. I doubt the latter, though.

I had imagined Lizzy and Bricks would become pals for almost as long as Bricks was introduced. So I'm going to stick with my prediction that this friendship or whatever it is will cause some HUGE friction between Saul and Lizzy. I can easily picture a scenario where Saul accidentally puts a bullet in Bricks noodle. Or Bricks goes on some Hulk out when he sees that his chances with Lizzy are moot.

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Yeah, he could be like Lennie from Of Mice and Men. Needs something pretty around to pet. I think Scratch is that cold though, she was more than willing to kill 30 odd people that she could capture and use simply because they "stole" a truck from them, Pegs killed her brother while defending herself and Michael from their attacks on the Tower, and Latch mentioned she beat some dude severely simply for staring at her scar in some store. She's a murderous criminal and I do think she's that cold, I think that she would kill Lizzy while she was pregnant if it could be used to force compliance from someone that came from the Tower (including and most definitely Saul), and that the only person she's ever shown emotion for was her brother whom she let take the fall for her own good. While she pushed back at his taking the rap for her and not spending a "real" amount of time in solitary she did hold that and the fact she busted them all out of prison over his head even though she was his blood. Her alliance seems to be centered to this mysterious family she's been talking about and to a lesser degree Durai. I think she only has fealty to Durai because he's part of this family network and not because she fears or respects him. She didn't tell him about attacking the Tower the second time as Lizzy realized by being a therapist. I really don't think she will kill Lizzy while she's pregnant, but I wouldn't put it past her after what she's done already. Not saying what she's doing or has done has been either right or wrong, but I don't think she's above it however distasteful it may be or how much she might not want to lose that bargaining chip.

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Originally Posted by Privateer

I'm for the prediction, Litmaster. Given the Colony's defenses, it seems like it might be a good idea to get help, and now they have a comm expert with them to get it working. I'm kinda predicting that Saul and Riley are probably gonna go AWOL at some point to take care of the situation there. Unless the Colonel is smart enough to know that leaving a criminal stronghold up and running is a bad odea in terms of regional stability.

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How would the Colonel know anything about the Colony or the Mallers and what they're up to? Nobody at the base has any up-to-date info about either.

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Originally Posted by HorrorHiro

How would the Colonel know anything about the Colony or the Mallers and what they're up to? Nobody at the base has any up-to-date info about either.

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Don't forget that it's been three months. By this point Michael should have shared his intel on the subject and there has been plenty of opportunity for the military to conduct intelligence gathering operations to fill in the picture.

Awesome episode. Nice to see Pete and Glenn back. First listen I thought maybe Lizzy was with Durai, then second listen I thought maybe Burt. Then I thought, there is no way Scratch lets burt out, then duh! As above posts said, Bricks. He has always been very protective of Lizzy. Looks like shit is going to be picking up real soon! I cannot wait. And maybe Glenn can figure out that radio and we will get contact with Michael and Fort Irwin. The little ones are getting scarier and scarier. Now Ink need to create a breed that is more resistant to bullets.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

Don't forget that it's been three months. By this point Michael should have shared his intel on the subject and there has been plenty of opportunity for the military to conduct intelligence gathering operations to fill in the picture.

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If Micheal has shared what he knows it doesn't make much of a difference (considering he doesn't know much about either the Mallers and or the Colony, or the fact that the two are one now.) The most Micheal could do would be speculating that the Mallers might have gone south to takeover the Colony. This may or may not justify sending recon teams behind enemy lines (in more ways than one), but that's up to the colonel. And even if the colonel (or one of the other higher-ups) decided to attack the Mallers/Colony would it not simply develop into an all-out war between the two?

The Mallers took over the Colony (which has a population of "a few hundred" which I'm guessing is somewhere between 5 and 600) with words, not bullets. Scratch, Durai, and whoever else probably lied their asses off, but regardless they convinced everyone there that they are the leadership that the Colony needs to survive. We know from past experiences with the population at the Colony that the general populace is quick to follow someone that takes charge (Durai and Scratch), there isn't a doubt in my mind that the Mallers would be quick to build (or re-build, depending on how you look at it) a brainwashed fighting force to fight what's left of the U.S. government/military as well as what's left of the Tower survivors.

There's the fact that they have Boulder too though. Any mention of 150k or so people that are completely safe and well cared for, I'm betting the Colony residents would turn on the Mallers at the drop of a hat. Especially if the military guys didn't force them into coming with them. All they'd have to say is "stay here and fight us, or go to Boulder where it's safe and we'll take you there." Take it or leave it, I'm betting most would take that in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by Ray

There's the fact that they have Boulder too though. Any mention of 150k or so people that are completely safe and well cared for, I'm betting the Colony residents would turn on the Mallers at the drop of a hat. Especially if the military guys didn't force them into coming with them. All they'd have to say is "stay here and fight us, or go to Boulder where it's safe and we'll take you there." Take it or leave it, I'm betting most would take that in a heartbeat.

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This is where the inevitable brainwashing comes in, the people at the Colony seem to believe whatever anyone who comes into power there says (which makes sense if yo think about it.) I'm sure the Mallers could convince the people at the Colony that the military was just going to kill them, regardless if they fought for the Colony, or not; and the Colony's population would believe it. Yeah some people might escape and realize that what the Mallers told all of them was nothing but lies, but I could only see a few people doing this.

And it would be pretty simple really, The Mallers/Colony would just have to defend themselves from the squads of soldiers. And at most all they would have to do is takeout the personnel at the fort, remember when contact with the other forts and bases were lost they didn't bother trying to find out what might have happened. This wouldn't be the case for Fort Irwin obviously, but if the Mallers/Colony were able to take over the base they could easily kill takeout any military forces sent from Boulder City, after all there are hundreds of thousands of people there that need to be protected. I think that they would just give up on the fort after the 1st plane of reinforcements never came back.

BTW, I don't think any of this will actually happen. I'm just speculating on could happen.

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Originally Posted by HorrorHiro

This is where the inevitable brainwashing comes in, the people at the Colony seem to believe whatever anyone who comes into power there says (which makes sense if yo think about it.) I'm sure the Mallers could convince the people at the Colony that the military was just going to kill them, regardless if they fought for the Colony, or not; and the Colony's population would believe it. Yeah some people might escape and realize that what the Mallers told all of them was nothing but lies, but I could only see a few people doing this.

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You've highlighted a key reason why the military is going to need to move against the Mallers/Colony sooner, rather than later. The longer the Mallers have to consolidate their position the harder it's going to be to remove them from power. And the longer they have a secure base the more likely it is that they're going to find, and learn how to use heavy military-grade weapons, and capture key resources that are going to make them more of a threat to Fort Irwin and Boulder.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

I'd like to think that's not the case. I'd like to think that someone (CJ) will be able to speak to him on a level he will listen to. Victor can certainly bring up the past against him to make him think it through.

Wonder if Glenn and Pete know about Angel....

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They probably dont know bout Angel

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Originally Posted by zombiesurvivor

They probably dont know bout Angel

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Why do you think that?