Chapter 23 Pt 1 - The Devil's Workshop

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Originally Posted by Mikeyd2tall

So these are my....Sights.
Angel is the traitor. i see it now and im sorry ra1th but...he had the silenced pistol. that did it for me.
burt is getting old. his memory is extremly F!@Ked up.
Randy is someone michael knew from before. or from the pumping station.
i think the hospital is the place these "experiments" may be happening and its the new house for the biters.
im REALLY starting to like steven. he shows he supports the tower and sorta represents the nameless survivors, hes the voice of them.

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As much as I enjoy jumping on Angel, I gotta disagree with ya. He had the silenced mp5 from the Colony, not the silenced pistol. Now there has been some speculation that the mp5 could have been used to kill Pippin, but the pistol is still missing. Also we heard the reaction to Pippin's death from Angel and Michael's perspective. This also isn't a clincher for Angel's innocence since the story is being told from the journals and there could be discrepancies in the journals. We saw that with Burt's difficulties in remembering details in this episode. But both these facts seem to be enough to clear Angel from suspicion of being the rat. Plus Michael was with him to collaborate his story.

As for Steven, yeah I'm starting to see him in a better light myself. When he got Lizzie kicked out he may have just been worried about a clique forming and being on the outside. If the members of the "special group" get special treatment and can get away with breaking the rules I'm starting to see how that might freak out some of the nameless/voiceless Tower residents like Steven. He was still acting like a dick, but I think I'm starting to understand why.

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Originally Posted by HardKor

As much as I enjoy jumping on Angel, I gotta disagree with ya. He had the silenced mp5 from the Colony, not the silenced pistol. Now there has been some speculation that the mp5 could have been used to kill Pippin, but the pistol is still missing. Also we heard the reaction to Pippin's death from Angel and Michael's perspective. This also isn't a clincher for Angel's innocence since the story is being told from the journals and there could be discrepancies in the journals. We saw that with Burt's difficulties in remembering details in this episode. But both these facts seem to be enough to clear Angel from suspicion of being the rat.

As for Steven, yeah I'm starting to see him in a better light myself. When he got Lizzie kicked out he may have just been worried about a clique forming and being on the outside. If the members of the "special group" get special treatment and can get away with breaking the rules I'm starting to see how that might freak out some of the nameless/voiceless Tower residents like Steven. He was still acting like a dick, but I think I'm starting to understand why.

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i have to admit, i was wrong about the pistol. its not a pistol. BUT it could still be him, im sure pippin would have been PLENTY suprised to see him come back AND he hates pippin

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

for the people saying that Burt can't die in the hospital because of he's the one telling the story. It all depends on WHEN, Burt is telling the story. the episode starts off with Angel, Kalani, Burt and Riley running in the hospital and them reaching a dead end. And then it cuts to Burt telling the story from the start. It could be that burt is going through the information in his head as they are still in the hospital. I don't want Burt to die or anything, but it's a possibility.

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I'm not saying he can't die, I'm just saying if you think about it objectively, why would you start writing while you were trapped in a room waiting for Zombies to eat you. If it were me, and I think Burt would be more like this, I'd be trying to find every possible exit from the room. I definitely wouldn't take time to write down what happened until I was in a secure place not somewhere with zombies trying to break down my door.

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Originally Posted by beesting

I'm not saying he can't die, I'm just saying if you think about it objectively, why would you start writing while you were trapped in a room waiting for Zombies to eat you. If it were me, and I think Burt would be more like this, I'd be trying to find every possible exit from the room. I definitely wouldn't take time to write down what happened until I was in a secure place not somewhere with zombies trying to break down my door.

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Doesn't have to be a journal, could just be him recapping events for the hell of it

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Originally Posted by beesting

I'm not saying he can't die, I'm just saying if you think about it objectively, why would you start writing while you were trapped in a room waiting for Zombies to eat you. If it were me, and I think Burt would be more like this, I'd be trying to find every possible exit from the room. I definitely wouldn't take time to write down what happened until I was in a secure place not somewhere with zombies trying to break down my door.

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Plus Burt doesn't exactly seem like he's very diligent with his journal upkeep. He keeps talking about how pointless they are. I doubt he's going to take time in a life and death situation to update his "pointless" journal.

A while ago, I wrote that there may be multiple groups of zombies led by a smart one. We have a group of zombies at the tower. Tanya and some KIA zombies were being taken away and some of them burned. Almost certainly from the arena. An obvious route from the Arena to Ground Zero is the 110 and that runs pretty close to the Tower.

The zombies around the hospital is another group. We do not have hard time stamps, but I do not think they can pow wow around the tower assault it and then get to he hospital bringing dead and captives with them. I am not the only one who thinks some speaking-part characters are in that population.

The interesting twist this time is that they are at worse setting siege to the two positions, or holding back to form a better assault composition.

My bad, I really thought it was Kalani who had the gun, I sometimes find it hard to tell the voices apart. Also not great on gun types, so I hadn't clicked that it wasn't the same as the missing gun.

I reckon Randy was a guy who was working in the water works and helped Micheal escape and died in the process and Micheal tried to save him and broke his arm

like the whole Samantha story? Micheal will get a flash back about how he got saved and how he got close with a new friend but in the end couldn't save him?! Well that's my guess too.

I really enjoyed Burt's narration at the beginning of this one, very humorous at points yet we got all the information we need. If Victor is the shooter (I doubt it), it seems sketchy that he is left alone with Pegs and Datu. If he is up to no good, then bad things are going to happen there...but I trust him. I also like how the beginning was different, having the four in the hospital fighting and for a moment I thought I had skipped an episode before Burt started back tracking. "We picked up Angel and Riley" "hello" and moving on...hahahaha :) I liked it

We finally encounter Randy and I was not expecting him to be a zombie. I think maybe Randy was some friend of Micheal's before the outbreak, maybe one of the few he had (Micheal seems very much a loner to me), a civilian not an army buddy is what my gut is telling me. My other theory is that Micheal and Randy met up at the water treatment plant, where either Micheal saw him get turned, left him to that fate or Randy was already turned. Clearly we have not seen the last of Randy, Micheal will keep his eyes peeled. I'm guessing Randy is a smart one, seems logical as he was the one dragging Tanya. Also I don't believe Tanya is infected, but I do think the precautions the Tower took are necessary. As a little joke I like to imagine a zombie jump kicking her in the face to knock her out or at least a good roundhouse.

Once I caught on that there haven't been many zombies active in a while, I knew they were organizing into an army. Now it's an army without a home and pissed. Steven even noticed that several of them had burns. I don't think godkingzombie pimp led his forces to the hospital because he knew about the LAX team there, but it just looked like a sweet new home. Maybe he wants to get high off of some morphine. Now we got Burt, Riley, Angel and Kalani under siege, and from the beginning of the episode, it won't remain a siege for long. They will at least have to try to take the helicopter to safety.

The reason I believe we haven't heard from Lizzie and the Mallers for the past five episodes is that the next time we see them will be from Saul's perspective. Other than that Saul is headed to the arena, I can't make a guess about what will happen to him and his girl. Other than a Maller distraction or using the helicopter, I don't know how Burt and co will escape the hospital, but KC has pulled the unexpected on us many times