Final chapter part. Happy monday!
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Final chapter part. Happy monday!
*patiently watches the clock*
Holy crap! That was intense! I thought if anything they would save Ft. Irwin being over run for the season finale! One of the best episodes by far. Glad to see a return of some of the voice actors, even Datu!
I'm thinking that now that Inklings know how to play dead. The one that infiltrated Ft. Irwin knew what it was doing. I don't know how Michael is going to escape this one though, seeing as how Puck and Riley are MIA.
If you keep this up, you are off my Christmas card list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
lol, sorry. I couldn't help myself!Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Argh! It isnt on the webpage yet, and I dont have an iAnything.. LOL
Ahh.. there it is. Listening now.
Datu... *weeps* WHY!!!???Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
*BAMMMMMM*
Cliffhanger deluxe: "We're too late ..."
Griggs must have taken 11 days to get to Boulder. I come to this conclusion because Micheal said it was 11 days till the next transport left from Boulder to Irwin then the autopsy and they try and raise Boulder on the radio. Griggs averaged 2.7 miles per day through the mountains. Hmm... seems kind of slow.
Well, probably he was not heading directly towards Boulder, but simply "searching" the area and sooner or later realizing where to go for the big time feast!
I'm so happy I wasn't eating lunch as usual while listen to this. Good sound work KC. :meh:
Damn, this is one hell of a cliffhanger!
I went back and listened to the previous one, because this failure in communication seemed just unlikely to me, but actually we don't hear what Carl is saying to Michael, so he might have omitted something. Still, I found parts of this episode a bit "funny":
- 11 days and not a moment to read a single report about the crashed Chinook affair? Especially when it interested Michael so much he organized the autopsy behind Kimmet's back?
- we all thought "damn, it's only 30 miles from Boulder, they better be careful about that". I also commented on the previous episode that if they know one single little one is coming, with all the personnel they have they can take care of it no problem. Turns out they didn't know because Carl forgot to mention about the turned soldiers and Michael didn't read the report and did not think about the remaining one as a danger? Ahem. Ok.
- besides, do they really need to be told that one zombie, however special, can breed other zombies very fast?! I though that was the safest assumption to make. Isn't that like what happened since day one? They seem so surprised.
I'm glad we'll get to hear from the guys in Boulder again and I can't wait for the commando style mission back to the hospital. Maybe Kimmet and TOWTM can sit down, have a drink and talk about a truce :D
Wow. awesome cliffhanger. We're definitely building up for the finale.
Now who else thinks we end up going back to the Colony for the next chapter? That little two week time skip in this episode puts the Ft. Irwin storyline back in line with the Colony storyline. So I think we go back to the Colony both as a way to build up suspense and because Kc likes screwing with us. :p
One interesting note... LOs have normal eyes. I'm still thinking they're capable of thought, planning, learning, etc. Basically they're smart as fuuuuuu. They have to be some sort of hybrid bt zombie and human.
I guess they also retain their memory too. Since he is heading direct to Boulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by ferroaj
I also found it a bit odd that in 11 days Micheal didn't read the report. What I find even more odd is that he didn't mention anything in the previous episode when Carl told him that Griggs was missing, he kind of just glossed over it and pressed on. It's like the QB handed the ball off to Micheal and he fumbled it... big time... If we head to Boulder maybe we will get to hear from Datu and Pegs.
I can not recall, but what color was Samantha's hair? Could #2 of been her? You know, when they took her from the room with Kalani and Datu in it and took her down to "play". Just a thought, or did Sam have blonde hair? Not really relavent I dont think, but my mind went there.
Samantha's hair was red. But that is an interesting idea. They never did explain what was meant by having them "play" with their prisoners on the arena floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguine
I think its more likely they just got themselves ripped apart, but the thought that they got turned into Little Ones is definitely something to consider.
edit: ninjaed by HardKor /edit ends ...
Penguine ... I wouldn't want to be your enemy. That would be really mean and evil ... And actually I dont even think that is too farfetched. Actually we don't know what happened to the ones being played with in the arena ...
But here is the but:
We hear her crying out loud when the zombie-mob engaged her. And there was no mentioning of special ones being involved it. Maybe Datu forgot to mention it, but what, if there was nothing special to mention? Then she would be killed or turned into a regular one ... it is open for debate.
The 11 day jump and the reports being not read by Michael strike me as kind of odd as well - especially since the 30mi distance to Boulder was part if episode #33-2 already ... I will listen to both episode more thoroughly and try to twist my mind around it ...
Dammit Riley. Why didn't you mention the part in the hospital where you and Kalani ran in to Pinstripes!?
Well, now that Boulder is the New Racoon City, I wonder if they are going to nuke it? Michael could have Pegs, Datu, Kelly, and Lady hole up in Cheyenne Mountain to the south and then Kimmet can drop the bomb on Boulder.
Oooooh hohoho. Now that is a cliffhanger! This episode was rather expositioney, mostly going over the little ones and letting things come together. I have to agree with everyone that the miscommunication with Michael is a little... Out of type, but I can suspend my disbelief for this one. Also, great to hear More Riley! She's one of my favorite characters, and listening to her turning green was amusing!
Did anyone catch that Riley was on /anger/ meds, or did I just mishear that? Maybe Riley's not a great soldier for lack of restraint? :P
We are shaping up for something awesome, but the only bastion of civilization getting eaten... seems like thinga are gonna get daaaaark. Cause yeah, if Griggs gets to the city, Boulder's a buffet.
I also thought about how the LO's eyes were normal compared to regulars. Also when Ink was in the tower Michael described his eyes as being bright green. It seems that Ink and the Little Ones have normal eyes. Maybe some importance maybe not. Thoughts?
Well, at its base, it may mean that they rely more on sight then biters. Someone else indicated that it may indicate intelligence, which is an intereasting concept. However, if intelligence remains, one has to ask: How much of the original person is left. Thought means rationality, to some degree.... Maybe it took so long for Griggs because he was dealing to deal with his new dietary requirements? A bigger question, and the one of the last two years is.... how. If the Little Ones are deliverate, how could someone tailor make them to such a degree with a, frigging genetics background. Considering no one knows what caused the original virus... Pinstripes might be special, and Was testing his gnawing On 1 - 12? Thats just rambling thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Pillars
I caught that also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateer
She seems to be a little to arguementative lately, I think Micheal needs to bitch slap her into next week if she keeps popping off like she has been. He should go off on her and tell her to shut up and fall in line, afterall she is a soldier now and there is a chain of command, and she ain't in that chain.
I was giving some consideration to Tanya's description of the Inklings bones. She said they were yellow and hard, right? It immediately made me think of The Haze. Wasn't it yellow in color?
What else could give bones a yellow hue; Calcium, plaque?
Tetracycline (an antibiotic) can cause bones to have a yellow color over time, starting with the teeth. This is more apparent with high doses. Oh, and it is taken up more rapidly by growing bones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
If the agent causing people to turn is bacterial, maybe tetracycline could be helping to keep the little ones more human-like? I think it's unlikely, but it was my first thought when I was trying to figure out why the bones were yellow.
And that seems to matter to Michael? Sergeant Cross, from the beginning of the series, while paying lipservice to the chain of command, /does/ tend to act independently of it. I've always gotten the vibe from Michael that the military is an important part of his life, but hes grown weary of its inherent Bureaucracy. He /is choosing what orders he thinks are important, which isn't a bad thing, here, but does kind of illustratr why Riey's upset. Compared to everyone else, remember, she and Michael have been through tons, and it can't be good to prove yourself in the field and be an important member of the team on the Tower, to being relegated to a position on base becase they're afraid to trust you with anything that goes faster then a bb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguine
What was the antibiotic given to Saul? Pinstripes was in a hospital... Could have been dumping far too many meds, and created antibiotic resistent strains?Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
What about sulfur? Sulfur is yellow ... That was actually the first thing that struck me when Tanya spoke of yellow bones ...
Just an idea: What, if this whole Zombie-stuff is kind of hell let loose on earth? Like kinda doom-style and stuff ... Would explain the outbreak in many parts of the US as well as the world; would explain the deep cracks in the earth; would explain the weird conditions around ground zero; would explain the bitter and vile evilness everywhere; would explain the different types of zombies (like rooted in different demons and stuff ...).
I'm pretty sure Saul was on Vancomycin, which is a different class of antibiotic. I didn't go back and relisten though, so could be wrong. The hospital would certainly have both a tetracycline agent and Vanc on hand, along with other antibiotics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateer
Also, further thinking...I think fluoride may cause yellowing of bones in high exposures. And it certainly hardens them. Could have been in the haze as a gas!
Given how straight KC's played the story so far... Its really hard to say the cause, but I want to doubt the supernatural. It doesn't fit into the world we're looking at. Then again, the cracks in the earth are strange too, because it involves something that causes difficulty breathibg in one person, but not another, that could case the disease, but not in everyone... is strange. What ever has caused the disease is going to be something intereasting. Its probably not hell or a military experiment, but, yes. What /is/ it?Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
It might not matter that much to Michael but it might matter to others. I understand totally Michael and his military vibe, I lived it for 21 years, but there is a time and a place for you to be friendly with your subordinate and keep them in line at other times. LIke when she is popping off in the dining hall. He should of shut her down. He basically gave her stage to say what she wanted in front of the dinning hall. He could of shut her down then took her aside and let her vent. There are certain things you do behind closed doors, and certain things you do in the open. Just bad form on her part acting like that, and bad form on his part for letting her do it.
Momma put him on two meds... Vancomycin and Clendomycin. Both through an IV.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
.... Dear God you may be onto something. Of course, it doesn't explain how the condition is so contagious... Perhaps the condition itself causes a buildup of Flouride? (a big change, but, well, zombies themselves are well changed enough already!) Or maybe the excess haze /caused the Little Ones somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
Looking at this discussion I wonder:
#2 was probably one of the 1st gen LOs ... And she has those yellow bones.
I wonder:
Since the infected LOs, so the 2nd gen or later ones, change so rapidly from human to zombie, do their bones change likewise? Based upon the discussion so far this should not be the case, because the 2nd gen LOs did not have the same treatment like the 1st gen supposedly had ...
On the contrary: Since the 2nd gen LOs seem to establish similar abilities (bullet proff skin, loss of pigments in the skin, ongoing process of changes (Roman), etc.), it would be kind of odd, if there bones would not change into yellow bones ... Therefore 'yellow' might be the result of redistribution of body substances or minerals or whatnot ...
at chain of command and stuff: I find it kind of weird, if Michael is meant to ground Riley for her behavior, because actually he is acting quite disturbingly different from what he is supposed to do regarding his position in relation to Col. Kimmet ...
I think Michael is doin' a good job with Riley - yeah, not the military style, but more the "comrade-style" considering their shared history in this zeeh-pocalypse; and keep in mind: as soon as Michael was ordered into active service, one of the first things he said was something along this line: "It's cool, I am not so in for all this formalism ..."
All the best!
Liam
I had hoped that Griggs hadn't been turned, based on the slim reed that he was the last possible witness to the conversation at the LZ in Long Beach. Guess I got that one wrong. Or did I? Several people have discussed the possiblity that ADLOs might retain some of their knowledge from when they were human. What if it goes deeper than that, and some or all of their personality/intellect survive? Could it be possible to communicate with one?
No one has mentioned the ADLO's heart. They way Tonya described it as being larger with extra arteries. That would be a genetic change. Would also give one hell of a lot of enduarnce. She didn't mention the lungs though.. Oh, but she did say fill em with enough holes and they die. So What makes these different then all the ones that were not dying early on from body shots? I remember Micheal saying that body shots were ineffective but head shots seemed to drop them like flies, but this ADLO was not head shot, just shot to hell with the mini-gun.
Max Brooks has this one, I think. The zombies are immune to pain and shcok response, but still require everything people need, biologically. A, headshot turns it all off. Enough shots to the torso will do the trick, but a, shot to the lungs or liver or kidnies isn't going to stop them like it stops a human, right then, anyway. I don't beleive we've heard stories of zombies in WA crawling about with no lower half, after a long period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguine
This doesn't explain how the biters in other areas continue when their food supply runs out.