Fort Irwin will it last?

Just recently The Tower survivors made it to Fort Irwin their promised land.
I's taken almost a season to get here but they finally made it
But considering that the Survivors haven't really got a good track record for staying in one place
The Colony wants them dead
The Tower is gone
Will the stay at Fort Irwin last?

My opinion is that yes they will stay there for a while at least. The area seems to be pretty secure and safe although their was mention of the large group of zombies several miles away but perhaps that will be a moment where the Tower folk can prove their worth.

Please post your opinions

There should be no way for the normal zombies and I have not seen enough out of Ink and other smart ones to think it is possible.

When one breaks it down, it is a basic seige conducted by infantry in a resource-poor environment. Without seige equipment the zombies are stuck unless they can break with two dimensional thinking and go with the third. I do not see wings anytime soon, but sapping has a chance. There is more to it than just turtling behind a wall. But, it gets the basic down.

So, my guess is that Ft Irwin was instructed to Turtle or if they do collect recon intel, they do not care for the plight of what remains of humanity.

BUT, I hope the base did not turlte. It is a bad stratagem. One must have expanding zones of control. The further one goes from the base, the less control and retime time intel is required. At the base, we have the opposite where we have ever-increasing security and real time intel. Too many times this gets boiled down to "In Here" and "Out There". Afew undead run unti the wall and are ignored, The undead continue to attack the barrier and call for reinforcements. If one dams the trickling stream, a lake can form. The story-book version the dead are ignored until the wall is breached by a catastrophic failure.

The better policy is to setup zones of control and patrol them. At the redline were there is a transition from "in here and out there" must be cleared daily if necesary. It is critical to eliminate the randoms that arrive before the call for reinforcements. because the zombies also work based on zones of control. Although one may have a very small zone of control; arms length. With intel is limited to eye / smell, but the communication system is very advanced in its simplicity. Call for reinforcements and everything in 360degrees within in earshot is most likely on the move. In the their excitement, the ones within earshot can echo the call and extend the range frrom which reinforcements can be pulled.

Like Zapp says. The Army is always evil in the zombie apocolypse and I guess the commander will play the role of Burke in aliens. Smile and glad-hand while stabbing in the back.

I think the idea of a siege is a good one. Remember that when the helicopter flew over Barstow they saw that it was over run and that there were crowds of zombies in the streets, months after the outbreak. Barstow's not that big a place. It wouldn't have taken long for it to be over run and there isn't much for the zombies to eat. There's no good reason for the zombies to stick around.

Compare that with the other places we've seen. LA was largely clear of large groups of zombies within hours of the outbreak. In contrast, the area around the Colony was plagued by roaming hoardes that seemed to be organized and were probing for weak points to attack.

To me this suggests that the zombies in Barstow know there is a large group of humans nearby. Maybe they're throwing themselves against Army defenses along the main road, maybe they're probing out into the desert. Either way, there's probably a "Smart One" in Barstow holding the group together and preparing them to attack once the opportunity presents itself.

In the Air Base Ground Defense (ABGD) world, we call that "Defense in Depth" aka layerd security. Physical, electronic, patrols, etc..etc..

In Crowbar's world, and given the equipment types at the post, I'd have guys in LP/OP's in the hills with snipers. Artillary higher up to bombard the choke points. I use the dump trucks to make rings of elevated fighting positions around the base with more choke points set up to channel the infected in and just light them up from the top. It'd be like the sand dune version of the perimeter fences at a prison. You have that gap between the outer and inner fences that you'd use as a killzone.

The army can't just be a bunch of good guys. Just look at 23 days later.

if the occupants from Barstow follow the direction of the helicopter they may be in trouble (only 20 hours zombie march to Fort Irwin)

That it is, but KC's zombies are more alive than the Romero Shamblers. It is a days travel over nasty terrain. Is it Death Valley or is that more north?

Zombies are not know for their expertise in logistics, so excuse the pun, but they are dead meat.

If the writer wants them on the base, they get on the base. But, in real life the military can do a good job locking things down with SOPs and redundant defenses to ensure that it does not occur.

Arthur,

I agree with you one hundred percent. We know they're already hip to the threat, so it makes sense to be ready for it when it reaches. Sun Tzu says "Know, prepare and control" the terrain. In short, they have the home field advantage. They'd be incredibly stoooooopid if they didn't have the perimeter prepared. I'm also going to assume that KC isn't going to give his brother soldiers the middle finger and play them stupid tactics wise. LOL.

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Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche

Is it Death Valley or is that more north?

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Death Valley is further north.

Does the survival of the fort and the fact that the army is still acting like the army hint at a greater infrastructure in place? The satellites would still be up there to use for long distance communication. How easy would it have been to pick up communications between troops?