The baby theory

[TheSpectre]

I have this theory revolving Saul's baby and the Little Ones. Since Saul is infected and the Little Ones were "born", I believe that Saul's baby may be a Little One. This theory may be a little "out there" but it crossed my mind the moment Michael made that discovery at the Arena. What are your thoughts?

[tonyhind86]

Saul appears to be immune. Which is safe to assume that Nicholas has inherited the same immunity. My guess is that Nicholas is the "anti-Little One", and may prove to be the undoing of Ink's master plan.

Plus, he's a spawn of Saul. That bad ass-ness alone will be a major force to be reckoned with :nik:

[TheSpectre]

That's what I thought at first, but Tanya never proved they are immune. My impression on a as that he was progressing very slowly (I believe she said he was at stage 2). But an anti-Little one seems plausible.

[Miss]

there are things that show high in the blood system but that dose not mean that the person has it. it could be a case of that, and before any one tells me I don't know what Im talking about I do I have multipule markers in my blood for illnesses that should have me in the hospital hooked to medical equipiment. but tada I am healthy as a horse

[Witch_Doctor]

That's what I thought at first, but Tanya never proved they are immune. My impression on a as that he was progressing very slowly (I believe she said he was at stage 2). But an anti-Little one seems plausible.


Chapter 41 Part 3, Tanya says that her and Saul's K-18 level fluctuates.

[Gooer]

Chapter 41 Part 3, Tanya says that her and Saul's K-18 level fluctuates.

Believe she said they kept dipping in and out of stage 1/2..... So yea, it is assumed they have some sort of immunity.... Although the extent of that is unknown at the time.

[LiamKerrington]

Don't you forget: The name "Nicholas" has the meaning of "victor/ vqnuisher/ winner of the people" ...

When we had the first discussions about the cracks in the ground at Inglewood, I remembered the "Doom"-theme, especially what was the core-idea behind the movie of "Doom". There special genes existed - some for the good, some for the bad. What, if on purpose or by accident Kc has established a similar concept about the zeeh-agent? What, if the zeeh-agent triggers some sort of evil spirit in most people, while a few others are affected the other way around.
We think that Saul is immune. But what exactly does this mean? Does this mean that the zeeh-agent in his blood gets neutralized, or is it more like a "neutral" co-existent of Sauls bio-system with the zeeh-agent not affecting it? And if the zeeh-agent is in his body, did it "change" his sperm-RNA in a way that Nicholas would carry a modified version of it in his DNA now? There are several things to consider at least. And without any confirmation or testing at least there is no way of understanding it properly. Anyway: the point is, if Nicholas is by any means affected by the zeeh agent within Saul's body, maybe Nicholas may become just another Little One getting bigger and bigger like in no time; and then *boooooom* What's next? Will he be the "victor" of "which people" - the humans, or them zombies?

Something tells me that during the next four chapters we won't see any of it, unless Kc makes another jump thruogh time for a few more weeks ...

Besides: If the baby would evolve and transform so quickly, odds are that someone or some more people of the survivors might get nervous and do silly things ... So, actually, this, too, makes me think that we won't see such a Little One story at all ...

Sorry, if my thoughts are confusing at times. It's just some tossing in with relating stuff ... I have not made up my mind yet ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[Witch_Doctor]

Momma and Baby #13 sticks out from the rest like a sore thumb. In the jail, Ink had one inmate as a control. Could #13 have been the control of this group?

Was Baby #13 younger than the rest? I ask this because Micheal, Victor and Datu find evidence that the human bodies from the pile were given to the babies or mothers to eat. It was not specified as to which, if not both. Also, it and its mother seems to have died during birth. It was too young to have learned to kill from looking out of the window into the arena's floor.

Were they turned or not? Mother? Baby? Both or neither? According to the trail of blood, and Angel's account, it seemed that the captives were fed HUMAN flesh. Not Zombies. If they were not turned already then they wouldn't turn by eating human flesh. BUT zombies seem to prefer human flesh, also. (However, they eat each other too.)

The BIG question is WHERE ARE THE OTHER MOTHERS?

[LiamKerrington]

The BIG question is WHERE ARE THE OTHER MOTHERS?

Excellent question. We need the "Sherlock Holmes Achievement" for questions like this ...

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

Why cannot Lil'Nick just be a little baby?

Eddie Murphy -> The Golden Child -> lame.
Ghostbusters II -> baby Donald -> a mediocre sequel.
Three Men And A Baby -> oh come on!

No "the special baby" storyline. We had too many "chosen one" arcs in the last decade.

It is trivial - human reproduction happens, deal with it. Saul is a dad now. That is enough, please no zombie midi-chlorians.

[Witch_Doctor]

Why cannot Lil'Nick just be a little baby?

Eddie Murphy -> The Golden Child -> lame.
Ghostbusters II -> baby Donald -> a mediocre sequel.
Three Men And A Baby -> oh come on!

No "the special baby" storyline. We had too many "chosen one" arcs in the last decade.

It is trivial - human reproduction happens, deal with it. Saul is a dad now. That is enough, please no zombie midi-chlorians.

I agree. Let's leave the specialness for when Little Nicky's older.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8qwUg7XOM

[GamerGirl]

Just to check the time line: Lizzy & Saul had their alone time and than Saul got shot, right?

Unless there is was another instance when Saul was exposed, I don't think that Tommy's blood has anything to do with Lil'Nick.

Maybe Tanya & Saul are changing slowly because they where bit by slow turners or someone not fully changed - kinda like a vaccination.

[Witch_Doctor]

Just to check the time line: Lizzy & Saul had their alone time and than Saul got shot, right?

Unless there is was another instance when Saul was exposed, I don't think that Tommy's blood has anything to do with Lil'Nick.

Maybe Tanya & Saul are changing slowly because they where bit by slow turners or someone not fully changed - kinda like a vaccination.

Exactomondo! Saul and Lizzy bumped uglies at the party before he was shot. So, the only thing that the baby could have gotten from him is what ever resistance to the infection that Saul has.

[Gooer]

Maybe Tanya & Saul are changing slowly because they where bit by slow turners or someone not fully changed - kinda like a vaccination.

I believe that Tommy was fully turned when he was shot by Burt, albeit freshly turned, but the one slow turner that bit Tanya was still in stage (2 or 3?), so not sure if it still works like that....

[mageftw]

Tanya never proved they were immune and lizzy got pregnant before saul was infected so the baby wont have anything to do with zombies

[Eviebae]

So far; it seems to me that Saul and Tanya are immune. Their levels were going up and down but last we heard they were going down.

Their exposures were different, but they were both exposed (ignoring the bullet for the mo there was blood splatter on his wound)

Plus, and this is by far the most salient point:

:mad:I DON'T WANT BABY NICHOLAS TO BE A ZOMBIE!!!:mad:

*ahem*

His immunity + small population = a happy ending for every one

[Gooer]

Momma and Baby #13 sticks out from the rest like a sore thumb. In the jail, Ink had one inmate as a control. Could #13 have been the control of this group?

Was Baby #13 younger than the rest? I ask this because Micheal, Victor and Datu find evidence that the human bodies from the pile were given to the babies or mothers to eat. It was not specified as to which, if not both. Also, it and its mother seems to have died during birth. It was too young to have learned to kill from looking out of the window into the arena's floor.

Were they turned or not? Mother? Baby? Both or neither? According to the trail of blood, and Angel's account, it seemed that the captives were fed HUMAN flesh. Not Zombies. If they were not turned already then they wouldn't turn by eating human flesh. BUT zombies seem to prefer human flesh, also. (However, they eat each other too.)

The BIG question is WHERE ARE THE OTHER MOTHERS?

Some people, and i might agree, that the mothers were eaten when the Little ones were born.

Another thing to note: number 13 DID stand out like a sore thumb. Obviously, it is important in some way. Is it just a control, or is it something different/more important than that?

[orllyfools]

Some people, and i might agree, that the mothers were eaten when the Little ones were born.

Another thing to note: number 13 DID stand out like a sore thumb. Obviously, it is important in some way. Is it just a control, or is it something different/more important than that?

What if baby 13 is supposed to be Baby Nick? Then its discovered he's a slow turner and becomes supreme Little One and ushers in a new zombie age.


Don't you forget: The name "Nicholas" has the meaning of "victor/ vqnuisher/ winner of the people" ...

When we had the first discussions about the cracks in the ground at Inglewood, I remembered the "Doom"-theme, especially what was the core-idea behind the movie of "Doom". There special genes existed - some for the good, some for the bad. What, if on purpose or by accident Kc has established a similar concept about the zeeh-agent? What, if the zeeh-agent triggers some sort of evil spirit in most people, while a few others are affected the other way around.
We think that Saul is immune. But what exactly does this mean? Does this mean that the zeeh-agent in his blood gets neutralized, or is it more like a "neutral" co-existent of Sauls bio-system with the zeeh-agent not affecting it? And if the zeeh-agent is in his body, did it "change" his sperm-RNA in a way that Nicholas would carry a modified version of it in his DNA now? There are several things to consider at least. And without any confirmation or testing at least there is no way of understanding it properly. Anyway: the point is, if Nicholas is by any means affected by the zeeh agent within Saul's body, maybe Nicholas may become just another Little One getting bigger and bigger like in no time; and then *boooooom* What's next? Will he be the "victor" of "which people" - the humans, or them zombies?

Something tells me that during the next four chapters we won't see any of it, unless Kc makes another jump thruogh time for a few more weeks ...

Besides: If the baby would evolve and transform so quickly, odds are that someone or some more people of the survivors might get nervous and do silly things ... So, actually, this, too, makes me think that we won't see such a Little One story at all ...

Sorry, if my thoughts are confusing at times. It's just some tossing in with relating stuff ... I have not made up my mind yet ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[Gooer]

What if baby 13 is supposed to be Baby Nick? Then its discovered he's a slow turner and becomes supreme Little One and ushers in a new zombie age.

But the body for 13 was at the Arena, with the body of the mother looking like it had been torn up, while Lizzy has not been taken by the zombies. If she had been abducted and rescued, and received something like some sort of implant, that could be probable...

[Robzombie]

Some people, and i might agree, that the mothers were eaten when the Little ones were born.

Another thing to note: number 13 DID stand out like a sore thumb. Obviously, it is important in some way. Is it just a control, or is it something different/more important than that?

I think #13 was simply the last mother to have given birth there, where the birth may have coincided with the bombing of the arena so she was left alone to give birth and before Ink could have done anything with the baby. This may show that more intervention than just injecting the mothers with something is needed for babies to become Little Ones.

I don't recall anything said about the mother looking like she was eaten, but I may be wrong.

[fezziwig]

Big pretty theory ! :)
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