Chapter 44-3: Life and Death

[TacticalJHP]

I just got out of the hospital, been in since the morning of the 31st, so please excuse me if i rehash what has been said before. I only just now got to listen to episode 2 and 3. I'll try to keep it short.

On a side note, Since i had the episodes already downloaded i did introduce a nurse and an orderly to We're Alive, so i'm spreading the word.

First off, i thought Kelly was a dead woman in the truck. But i was happy she pulled through. She was a total bitch at the beginning of the show, but i love her now. And i see Saul is accepting her now too, with a little ribbing as thay are keeping the Behemoth at bat with the "when did you ever NOT have a desk job?"

Healthy baby. Made me SOOOOOO happy. tear of joy.

number 13. creepy, disgusting. confirmed theory that the little ones were raised from birth by ink.

Zombie kill of the week award goes to everyone in the chopper for taking out the behemoth.

Datu. Died where Samantha died. passed peacefully. sad but fitting. could not have asked for a better ending for such a lovable character.

Lizzy. Damn. This was just too horrible. you could feel saul's pain.

[UndeadSweeper]

No time to grieve. The story needs to keep moving forward.

You have to give Gnex time to grieve. It the first time he has to get over the fact that CJ did something and can't blame her for the outcome.

He still in his 5 stages.

[Osiris]

You have to give Gnex time to grieve. It the first time he has to get over the fact that CJ did something and can't blame her for the outcome.

He still in his 5 stages.

Grieve when the zeds are dead, until then it's business as usual.

[REZombie]

Wow....that one was hard to listen to...my wife had really bad tearing and a lot of blood loss giving birth to our daughter, so it brought back some intense emotions....very well done, KC...and bravo to the cast! Some spectacular acting! Its right there with the loss of the soldiers as being the best episode yet!

I called lizzy's possible death, but didn't expect king datu to go yet....

Sent From Ink's House

[TacticalJHP]

It's not a dream. That wouldn't be good storytelling.

THANK YOU!!


Quick question, how do you feed a baby if the mother isn't there?


Baby Formula or Powder Milk. Maybe some Goats milk if there are any..

Dog to the rescue. It will make Burt feel all the more happy he kept Dog around instead of eating him.

Or a wet nurse. They are usually prepared ahead of time for that, but sometimes they need to be rushed.


formula and or milk from Ms. Magoo

Cows milk can sometimes be too rich for babies, and right now they do not need anything causing trouble for Saul's little one.

[REZombie]

Dog to the rescue. It will make Burt feel all the more happy he kept Dog around instead of eating him.
.

If dog is a "him" i sure hope they don't milk him for the baby.....would be awkward. ....lol

Sent From Ink's House

[TacticalJHP]

I'm going to step away from all the heartbreak for a moment, and make a prediction:

The Pelican is going down. The Behemoth has damaged it, and it will not make it back to the colony.

Pegs will send out a radio call saying she is going down. From the higher position, it will spread farther.

Cj was told to strap in by Tanya, but it is unclear if she did or not.

It will probably make a hard landing and not a crash. That's still bad, but not horrible.

Baby will be ok, protected by someone in the chopper on impact. (CJ?)

It will probably hit close to Scratch's observation post.

That will leave everyone that Scratch has an interest in (Saul's baby, Pegs, CJ) a vulnerable position.

The only others on the helicopter are Kelly and a emotionally crippled Saul.

And Burt and Riley just may hear the radio call, and come to the rescue.




Ok, now i have two weeks to find out how full of crap i am.

[TacticalJHP]

If dog is a "him" i sure hope they don't milk him for the baby.....would be awkward. ....lol

Sent From Ink's House

Uh, yea. check the tap before you fill up.

[Cabbage Patch]

I'm going to step away from all the heartbreak for a moment, and make a prediction:
The Pelican is going down. The Behemoth has damaged it, and it will not make it back to the Colony

I like where your mind is headed, but I have to add a caveat. The Pelican hasn't made a water landing yet! Remember how that capability was highlighted when they found it? If this is its last flight it needs to go down in the harbor!

[Litmaster]

I'm going to step away from all the heartbreak for a moment, and make a prediction:

The Pelican is going down. The Behemoth has damaged it, and it will not make it back to the colony.

Pegs will send out a radio call saying she is going down. From the higher position, it will spread farther.

Cj was told to strap in by Tanya, but it is unclear if she did or not.

It will probably make a hard landing and not a crash. That's still bad, but not horrible.

Baby will be ok, protected by someone in the chopper on impact. (CJ?)

It will probably hit close to Scratch's observation post.

That will leave everyone that Scratch has an interest in (Saul's baby, Pegs, CJ) a vulnerable position.

The only others on the helicopter are Kelly and a emotionally crippled Saul.

And Burt and Riley just may hear the radio call, and come to the rescue.

HOLY CRAP! This little kid isn't even ONE DAY OLD and you're already wanting to put him through hell!

What are you, some kind of BABY SADIST?!??

[Deacon_Tyler]

THE PEGS will deliver her charges to safety and THE PEGS shall live to fight another day.

[Eviebae]

What are you, some kind of BABY SADIST?!??

No, he's an adult sadist! :rolleyes:

[Red Shirt]

Zombie kill of the week award goes to everyone in the chopper for taking out the behemoth.

:D

Thanks, I needed that.

[Cabbage Patch]

THE PEGS will deliver her charges to safety and THE PEGS shall live to fight another day.

Pegs protects her passengers

http://cyberneticzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/aliens-power-loader.jpg

There was a powered exoskeleton power loader on the Pelican, right?

[LiamKerrington]

HOLY CRAP! This little kid isn't even ONE DAY OLD and you're already wanting to put him through hell!

What are you, some kind of BABY SADIST?!??

having the first and only baby in a world of death and decay with lotsa zombs around ... Why would someone more of a sadist than the author? :D
It turns out that currently we have just a handful of survivors available. And these are far less than what would be the least amount of people required to uphold a gene-pool of diversity. And with only one infant and none other so far on the radar it is hard to imagine that there would be a subsequent generation of humans striving for survival.

BUT: Nicholas ... I mentioned it earlier - the name has Greek origins and means "victory of the people". I am not certain, if this is why Kc has chosen this name for Saul to call the baby. But if so, than there is ... Oh, wait: HOPE! Nicholas, Hope ... Man, what a lovely picture, although Hope could be almost his mother ...
Maybe it is time to wonder how the humans will, would, or could survive this onslaught with only one newborn alive ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[Eviebae]

It turns out that currently we have just a handful of survivors available. And these are far less than what would be the least amount of people required to uphold a gene-pool of diversity. And with only one infant and none other so far on the radar it is hard to imagine that there would be a subsequent generation of humans striving for survival.

According to Ed Grabianowski at io9, (not just him obviously) humans have survived near extinctions (http://io9.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans) before.

There is one near-extinction event that is fairly well-known, although it remains controversial. Roughly 70,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years, an enormous eruption occurred in what is now Sumatra, leaving behind Lake Toba (the crater lake pictured above). The eruption coincides with a population bottleneck that is often cited as the reason for the relatively low genetic diversity across Homo sapiens sapiens. Research suggests as few as 2,000 humans were left alive by the eruption and its aftereffects.

Now, of course, every school child knows it was the first proto-zombie outbreak. :D

I think Ink is making a bad thing 1000x worse. Remember, people in the Colony had never seen a behemoth before. The zoms they knew were bad but unorganized. They tended to do random crowd movement type runs. Assuming that Ink isn't one of a cadre with members all over the world--we don't know what's going on everywhere.

[Gooer]

Cows milk can sometimes be too rich for babies, and right now they do not need anything causing trouble for Saul's little one.

Saul's little one.

little one

little one

little one

*Gasp* :britt:

[Red Shirt]

According to Ed Grabianowski at io9, (not just him obviously) humans have survived near extinctions (http://io9.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans) before.


Now, of course, every school child knows it was the first proto-zombie outbreak. :D

I think Ink is making a bad thing 1000x worse. Remember, people in the Colony had never seen a behemoth before. The zoms they knew were bad but unorganized. They tended to do random crowd movement type runs. Assuming that Ink isn't one of a cadre with members all over the world--we don't know what's going on everywhere.

The site won't let me rep you for that... so just the thumb will have to do... +1

I was thinking along similar lines earlier this evening... about a population bottleneck and the Mount Toba eruption. At this rate, are their even enough humans left to form a stable breeding population? I fear that the answer is no... but then again... still a few more chapters to go. Might not matter in the end.

[Merlin1274]

I feel the Pelican will make it back to the Colony but it may never take off again.. This puts the main Characters together back at the Colony. Everyone else will be gone. That way they can all have the day of Mourning before the Real SHTF..

So That would leave us the Following people to have one last round with the Mallers before taking on Ink..

Michael, Saul, Pegs, Kelly, Burt, Riley, Victor, Tanya, Hope, CJ.. Plus the couple of people that stayed behind to help out with the Windmill (Can't Remember Names). Would be cool if they got it up and running while all the rest of this shtf stuff was going on..

[clem131]

I'm sure there is a way we can tie all the events back to CJ.......

Actually, it all goes back to Alexander Graham Bell: he invented the telephone, which allowed Tanya to leave a message at the colony, which allowed Hope to relay it to CJ and Pegs. Clearly, Bell's the hero here.

[Footbutt]

are Michael and Victor going to carry Datu's body out of there?
He dug his own grave, for goodness sake, and i wonder if Michael will honor his further, unspoken request. Datu dug the graves (Jay's, Glenn's, and his own) deep so nothing could come and dig him up, so he's already got a plot for himself.

i can see a burial scene where Lizzy is buried next to Angel's grave, then they all get the impact of two deaths, their causes, and a need for redemption/vendetta.

[Jannit]

having the first and only baby in a world of death and decay with lotsa zombs around ... Why would someone more of a sadist than the author? :D
It turns out that currently we have just a handful of survivors available. And these are far less than what would be the least amount of people required to uphold a gene-pool of diversity. And with only one infant and none other so far on the radar it is hard to imagine that there would be a subsequent generation of humans striving for survival.


That we know of! There’s a whole lot of world left aside from LA. Hell, the zombies could already have people farms set up to create more pure ones by this point!


You have to give Gnex time to grieve. It the first time he has to get over the fact that CJ did something and can't blame her for the outcome.

He still in his 5 stages.

Given that CJ gave the go ahead to start dismantling the colony one could make the argument that she is responsible. Had they continued to stay at the colony, Tanya’s supplies wouldn’t have been depleted to the level they were and a trip to Cain might not have been necessary. In fact, extra supply runs could have been made by the colonists to prepare for exactly this sort of situation if CJ hadn’t kicked Saul out of the colony in the first place.

Moral of the story: You can always blame CJ!

As for predictions, I’m just going to second everything TacticalJHP said in post 257. It sounds as plausible as anything else I can think of.

[UndeadSweeper]

That we know of! There’s a whole lot of world left aside from LA. Hell, the zombies could already have people farms set up to create more pure ones by this point!



Given that CJ gave the go ahead to start dismantling the colony one could make the argument that she is responsible. Had they continued to stay at the colony, Tanya’s supplies wouldn’t have been depleted to the level they were and a trip to Cain might not have been necessary. In fact, extra supply runs could have been made by the colonists to prepare for exactly this sort of situation if CJ hadn’t kicked Saul out of the colony in the first place.

Moral of the story: You can always blame CJ!

As for predictions, I’m just going to second everything TacticalJHP said in post 257. It sounds as plausible as anything else I can think of.

Oh man, you forgot the point that Micheal was the one who told Tanya to allow the supply to go. ;-) But in honesty, I don't think they was taking those large item from the colony, I don't even think they would had them to begin with.

[Jannit]

Oh man, you forgot the point that Micheal was the one who told Tanya to allow the supply to go. ;-) But in honesty, I don't think they was taking those large item from the colony, I don't even think they would had them to begin with.

Nice try but Michael wasn't in charge! CJ was queen of the castle and is ultimately responsible for those decisions. Mhmm. ... You can't make me change my mind! :britt:

I know they probably didn't originally have them but if all of the people at the colony were still together it doesn't seem unreasonable that getting those sorts of things for colony use would have been a reasonable step!

[Kc]

That we know of! There’s a whole lot of world left aside from LA. Hell, the zombies could already have people farms set up to create more pure ones by this point!



Given that CJ gave the go ahead to start dismantling the colony one could make the argument that she is responsible. Had they continued to stay at the colony, Tanya’s supplies wouldn’t have been depleted to the level they were and a trip to Cain might not have been necessary. In fact, extra supply runs could have been made by the colonists to prepare for exactly this sort of situation if CJ hadn’t kicked Saul out of the colony in the first place.

Moral of the story: You can always blame CJ!

As for predictions, I’m just going to second everything TacticalJHP said in post 257. It sounds as plausible as anything else I can think of.

Well, sort of. The colony was too far at that point.

[Osiris]

Nice try but Michael wasn't in charge! CJ was queen of the castle and is ultimately responsible for those decisions. Mhmm. ... You can't make me change my mind! :britt:

I know they probably didn't originally have them but if all of the people at the colony were still together it doesn't seem unreasonable that getting those sorts of things for colony use would have been a reasonable step!

If you're going to blame ANYONE for this whole thing, you have to go back much further than CJ. It can all be traced back to the moment when Burt unzipped his pants, and showed Scratch that his dick was bigger when he shot out the side mirror of the rig in chapter 6 (?). If that hadn't happened, Scratch would likely not have found the Tower, and Pegs wouldn't have shot Latch causing all the non-zombie chaos and forcing the residents of the Tower to be scattered.

There's just no arguing that logic.

[Jannit]

Well, sort of. The colony was too far at that point.

Well there goes that idea. Bah. Regardless, it was still CJ's fault! Somehow. :nik:


If you're going to blame ANYONE for this whole thing, you have to go back much further than CJ. It can all be traced back to the moment when Burt unzipped his pants, and showed Scratch that his dick was bigger when he shot out the side mirror of the rig in chapter 6 (?). If that hadn't happened, Scratch would likely not have found the Tower, and Pegs wouldn't have shot Latch causing all the non-zombie chaos and forcing the residents of the Tower to be scattered.

There's just no arguing that logic.


I like this. Good point Osiris!

[GamerGirl]

You know.... All this talk of who's th blame for Lizzy's death would make a great song...

I'm just saying that the musicals Titanic & Into the Woods pulled it off.....

(Ducks from flying table)

[UndeadSweeper]

are Michael and Victor going to carry Datu's body out of there?
He dug his own grave, for goodness sake, and i wonder if Michael will honor his further, unspoken request. Datu dug the graves (Jay's, Glenn's, and his own) deep so nothing could come and dig him up, so he's already got a plot for himself.

i can see a burial scene where Lizzy is buried next to Angel's grave, then they all get the impact of two deaths, their causes, and a need for redemption/vendetta.

Sadly, they won't. Datu won't want them to endanger their life just to carry his body out. Unless they find a car/truck quickly, they have a really long walk to the colony or the original tower.

[Merlin1274]

I can see them maybe stashing and trying to come back if they can. But I agree, long walk carrying a body.

[Gnex]

This story is the timeless classic of Good vs Evil....... Just understand that Good always triumphs!!! :)

CJ = Evil

Michael = Good

[LiamKerrington]

According to Ed Grabianowski at io9, (not just him obviously) humans have survived near extinctions (http://io9.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans) before.


Now, of course, every school child knows it was the first proto-zombie outbreak. :D

I think Ink is making a bad thing 1000x worse. Remember, people in the Colony had never seen a behemoth before. The zoms they knew were bad but unorganized. They tended to do random crowd movement type runs. Assuming that Ink isn't one of a cadre with members all over the world--we don't know what's going on everywhere.

In 2003 scientists met and considered the challenges of a multi-generation starship concept. And in these thoughts they considered that a group of roughly around 200 persons would be the lowest end of the bargain, if you wish to uphold diversity in the genepool ... If you like to learn more about it, read this book:
http://books.google.de/books/about/Interstellar_travel_and_multi_generation.html?id=i DgqAQAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y

The Colonists are far below this.

Even if they meet other survivors - and we already know how bad this may end -, the other group(s) need to be big enough to reach this critical mass ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[LiamKerrington]

This story is the timeless classic of Good vs Evil....... Just understand that Good always triumphs!!! :)

No. This is a zombocalypse. The good never win.


CJ = Evil

Michael = Good

Even IF CJ is evil, there is worse than that ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[UndeadSweeper]

This story is the timeless classic of Good vs Evil....... Just understand that Good always triumphs!!! :)

CJ = Evil

Michael = Good

PHASES OF GRIEF

✓ 1. Denial
✓ 2. Anger
✓ 3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

[Merlin1274]

Well as far as we know LA is the only place with ink. So IMO there is a good chance there are larger groups in areas far north or in very remote areas..

[Gnex]

PHASES OF GRIEF

✓ 1. Denial
✓ 2. Anger
✓ 3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Boooo!!!! and Booo on KC for the Like!!!! :mad:

And technically..... I would still be at #2...... Anger at CJ!!!!

[Jannit]

Well as far as we know LA is the only place with ink. So IMO there is a good chance there are larger groups in areas far north or in very remote areas..

There could be other areas with characters similar to Ink. Some sort of regional overlord of the zombies or something within hierarchy of zombie politics. At the head of it all is the grand master overlord responsible for it all! Muahahaha.

Or maybe the rest of the world is fine and has quarantined North and South America to stop the spread.

[Witch_Doctor]

Hope Burt and Riley didn't hear the distress call, and are now heading o the hospital. it's full of zombies!

[Eviebae]

I was thinking along similar lines earlier this evening... about a population bottleneck and the Mount Toba eruption.

Credit where credit is due. I had a vague memory of someone writing something similar. Guess who that was? YOU! I wonder if KC was talking about your post when he said someone had figured out a chunk of it.

Here it is again:

(Hey, nikvoodoo, as verbose as I tend to be and I am about to get, I'm horrible at properly titling. So feel free to re-title this appropriately.)

Alright everyone, I have been going down the Wikipedia rabbit hole off and on for the past week or so and spent the better part of the day today putting this together and I think I've nailed it. A decent theory of the underlying cause and how it worked.

2400

Hold on to your hats everyone, I'm about to get overly sciency up in here!

The only good way for me to get this out of my head effectively is to do so chronologically and start from the beginning. So lets get started.


Hadean Eon: 4567.17 - 4000 million years ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadean) which was followed by the
Archean Eon: 4000 - 2500 million years ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archean) and the period of
Late Heavy Bombardment (Late Heavy Bombardment) that straddled the end of the Hadean and the beginning of the Archean

(When I said beginning, I wasn't BS'ing. Here's a more comprehensive timeline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timetable_of_the_Precambrian).)

From the Hadean article, which echoes pretty much everything I had previously learned about the formation of the earth:

No sense in retyping it, I'll quote it instead. It says everything I wanted to. However, one theoretical vector worth mentioning is Panspermia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia) with Extremophiles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile). Bombardment might have brought life to Earth on stellar debris or, Earth might have been a source of life in that the bombardment might have taken Hadean or Archean Proto-life with it on ejecta thrown into space... (I'll be coming back to that later.)

After the Archean Eon was the

Proterozoic Eon: 2500 - 541 million years ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proterozoic) (That end date range will be important soon.)

Now, this is a a bit of an oversimplification, but for the majority of the Archean and Proterozoic Eons, life was simple... single celled life that sometimes organized into colonies. For 3.5 Billion years that is all that life did. Be Boring. Then something changed. What?


The Cambrian Explosion, around 530 million years ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion).

But why the sudden explosion and diversification of life? Was there something to it? I posit that there was something holding it back. The Zombie Plague. Walk the dog with me here and I'll explain. (Bear with me, I might get a bit disjointed as I jump around and start getting into conjecture.)

Throughout the history of the Earth there have been Extinction Level Events (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_extinction). The chart at that link shows the pattern of ELE since the Cambrian explosion, but what is to say that they weren't happening before then too? They probably were, we just have no fossil record of them.

From the Bacteria Page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria):


Despite the simplicity of the life present, I'm sure it was diverse, but not homogeneous. It is likely that certain species of bacteria were specific to certain biomes then, as they are now.

I further conjecture that the "Zombie" Plague is a bacteria, or a bacteria like organism and an Extremophile. As we know it is hostile to other forms of life... Keeping other forms of life "in check," periodically killing off life in ELE's as their proliferation ebbed and flowed with time. Therefore it was at some point removed from the Earth's surface in order to allow the Cambrian Explosion to occur.

How would this be possible without its eradication? I have previously mentioned Sequestration, and I think I have figured out how.


The Farallon Tectonic Plate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farallon_Plate) has suggest to me how it might be possible.

The Farallon plate was one of the many tectonic plates that were present when Pangaea broke up during the Jurassic. I say was, because it is gone. The Pacific plate pushed it into North America and it subducted. The funny thing is that it is still kinda there, breaking up as it floats about in the Mantle under North America. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Farallon_Plate.jpg).

I therefor suggest that the biome that the "Zombie Plague Bacteria" was present in was on a plate that subducted "shortly" before the Cambrian Explosion. The sequestration of the plague allowed the explosion to take place. That plate broke up into large chunks and through the process of Mantle Convection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_convection), those chunks spread across the globe, under the surface of the tectonic plates, carrying with them pockets of viable ZPB Extremophiles. There, for over a half a Billion years, the E-ZPB waited just below the surface. At vents, mid-ocean ridges, volcanoes and fault lines, this debris accumulated until it was somehow released, releasing E-ZPB back into the world.

I will admit though, one of the main places this theory falls down is how/why was the release nearly simultaneous at the global level?


As an interesting aside, I mentioned that Earth could have been a source for Panspermia... It has been suggested that the Zombie Plague killed the dinosaurs. The current belief is that the Chicxulub Crater Impact 65 million Y/O was what did them in with the K-Pg extinction event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%E2%80%93T_boundary)... However, there is some preliminary evidence that something was already killing them off. Some sort of disease. Also, there is increasing evidence that the ELE wasn't caused by a singular event, that it was the culmination of multiple impacts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%E2%80%93T_boundary#Multiple_impact_event). One or more of these may have been ejecta from an Hadean/Archean impact and brought E-ZPB back to Earth or released it from below the surface...


(Alright, I'm done. I'm going cross-eyed and getting a headache still looking at this.)

[UndeadSweeper]

Hope Burt and Riley didn't here the distress call, and are now heading o the hospital. it's full of zombies!

Hopefully, they can see and/or hear the copter pass by, since I'm guess there not much noise to block it out. If not, we get another describe of Treehemoth on the ground account.

[SalamanderBea]

Just want to add lizzy and datu appeared in the same episode back in season 1 (2-1) and they both died in the same episode :'(

A bit of a coincidence

[DaTank]

man…this episode got me crying…sucks to be giving into labor during a zombie apocalypse…though is Saul and the others were able to get the stuff that was needed do you think lizzy would still have a chance on living? Don't know if anybody has mention it lately…probably somebody has….

[LiamKerrington]

Just for the record:

Page 30.

[Eviebae]

Just for the record:

Page 30.

O_oSay what now?O_o

:britt:
:oD'oh! the thread count:o

[LiamKerrington]

O_oSay what now?O_o

:britt:
:oD'oh! the thread count:o

It is meant to be a tribute to Osiris' and the WA fans. So, yeah, the thread count ...

[Eviebae]

It is meant to be a tribute to Osiris' and the WA fans. So, yeah, the thread count ...

Sometimes I'm slow on the ................um............uptake.:nik:

[clem131]

If you're going to blame ANYONE for this whole thing, you have to go back much further than CJ. It can all be traced back to the moment when Burt unzipped his pants, and showed Scratch that his dick was bigger when he shot out the side mirror of the rig in chapter 6 (?). If that hadn't happened, Scratch would likely not have found the Tower, and Pegs wouldn't have shot Latch causing all the non-zombie chaos and forcing the residents of the Tower to be scattered.

There's just no arguing that logic.


Actually, this goes all the way back to my countryman Eugenio Barsanti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenio_Barsanti), who invented the internal combustion engine in the 18th century, leading to its diffusion and popularity, leading to a diesel generator being the only reliable and fast way to supply power to the Tower, leading to Burt, Saul and Lizzie going to steal the Tanker of Discord from the Maller's territory.
DAMN YOU, EUGENIO!!! :mad:

[Footbutt]

Hopefully, they can see and/or hear the copter pass by, since I'm guess there not much noise to block it out. If not, we get another describe of Treehemoth on the ground account.

some how i picture this:


Burt and Riley headed to the Hospital in their newly-armored truck Burt had worked tirelessly on for months. Unable to pass the 10 MPG threshold he was shooting for, Burt frowned at the fuel gauge. "Remind me to look into a hybrid next time."

Riley shook her head but kept her eyes on the road. "One more block up. Can you see anything?"

"No, but i can hear something." Burt pointed upward, through the front slats. "Look, the Pelican!"

Leaning forward, Riley squinted. "What's that hanging off of it?"

Before Burt could reply, the large object that had clung to the chopper began to free-fall. Its descent was too fast for Burt to react, and the giant mass fell directly onto the hood of Burt's once-pristine armored truck--stopping it dead in its tracks. The whiplash was enough to leave both of them dazed for a few seconds.

"Dammit!" Burt managed to cough out.

Riley did her best to hold back a scream but failed to do so. "What the hell? Are Behemoths just falling from the sky?"

Burt's face darked and reddened at the same time. "My truck. My brand-new truck!" he yelled, punctuating each syllable with a enormous croak from the horn on the stearing wheel.

Hearing a distant hoard assembling from just outside the Hospital's entrance, Riley tried to grab Burt's arm. "Burt, stop! You're attracting more of those things!" she pleaded.

"They're dead! They're all dead!"

Burt slammed his foot on the gas pedal and swerved the truck along one of the buildings. The dead behemoth's leg caught on an already broken lamp post and hurled the giant beast off the hood. Flooring it, Burt gritted his teeth with more malice than Riley had ever seen. "Dead," he kept hissing, as he headed straight for the on-coming crowd of zombies.

Complete with barbed wire, spikes, and bumpers, the truck was a deadly machine when coupled with speed. Burt struck the first group in manic rage, liquifying and running down the two dozen normals within a few seconds. "Dead!"

He then flipped a switch on the dashboard and continued onto the next, larger group. Below the truck's frame, ardent fire errupted along the vents of a pair of metal pipes that ran along both sides. The fire, consumed those that had not met the front end of the truck or were trampled underneath the reinforced wheels. "You're all dead!"

Riley wanted to roll her eyes, but found the entire scene rather fitting. Burt had hyped his truck up so much that she was sure if he had not been able to use it today, he would have sought out a hoard of zombies just to take an advanced test drive. When the corner of Burt's mouth curled into a smile, Riley knew it wasn't a sinister one. It was the grin of a boy finally being told that it was playtime and he could go outside.

And Burt was enjoying the hell out of it.

[EatMyShorts]

There could be other areas with characters similar to Ink. Some sort of regional overlord of the zombies or something within hierarchy of zombie politics. At the head of it all is the grand master overlord responsible for it all! Muahahaha.

Or maybe the rest of the world is fine and has quarantined North and South America to stop the spread.

Ha Ha Ha. Maybe it's Obama.

[Osiris]

It is meant to be a tribute to Osiris' and the WA fans. So, yeah, the thread count ...

Page*.

[Gnex]

Page*.

Agree with Page*

[Gnex]

Just want to add lizzy and datu appeared in the same episode back in season 1 (2-1) and they both died in the same episode :'(

A bit of a coincidence

Good one!!!

[Ginja]

Let's agree that they both help. :D This goes out to all the CJ and Pegs haters out there!!!!!!

I am grudgingly glad they helped and yep I hate them both.

I will miss Datu. I actually suspected that it would be Saul that died never getting to see the baby, thought when he heard him cry over the radio that would be his only contact and he would have been killed trying to keep them all safe. Glad it wasn't Saul yet but he's gotta turn, like Tanya unless they find a cure and I predict baby Nicholas will be raised by Kelly and Victor.

[Osiris]

This episode leaves me wondering who is next to die. There's very little room time left to tell the story. There's a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up, and a lot of relationships to resolve. Am I the only one who thinks the remaining few chapters are going to be Kc's Red Wedding?

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

This episode leaves me wondering who is next to die. There's very little room time left to tell the story. There's a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up, and a lot of relationships to resolve. Am I the only one who thinks the remaining few chapters are going to be Kc's Red Wedding?

Hm, George R. R. Martin FTW! BTW, you can travel to Red Wedding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_%28Berlin%29) anytime you like. Besides (West) Berlin is quite as cold as Westeros during the winter.

[Spime]

I kept wondering if this was a line from a previous episode.

I just thought cuz Saul said he would always be by her side. Lizzy, when she said that, knew she wasn't going to make it.

[Osiris]

Hm, George R. R. Martin FTW! BTW, you can travel to Red Wedding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_%28Berlin%29) anytime you like. Besides (West) Berlin is quite as cold as Westeros during the winter.

Kc R.R. Wayland

[Gnex]

This episode leaves me wondering who is next to die. There's very little room time left to tell the story. There's a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up, and a lot of relationships to resolve. Am I the only one who thinks the remaining few chapters are going to be Kc's Red Wedding?

Let's not forget that KC basically took out the whole group of military guys with 1 quick Behemoth punching death scene!!!! :britt:

KC can get rid of people with a quickness if he needs to....... :nik:

[tonyhind86]

Kc R.R. Wayland

Minus the incestuous sex scenes

[Gnex]

At some point there will be a Scratch showdown.................. I see that scene getting rid of at least 3-4 characters if not more........

Scratch, Tardust, prolly Riley or Burt(Or Both), and who knows who else...........


Then you still have a showdown with Ink at some point........

Rest assured there is still a lot more death around the corner!

[Gnex]

Minus the incestuous sex scenes

and the 3 hour long food descriptions.......

[LiamKerrington]

This episode leaves me wondering who is next to die. There's very little room time left to tell the story. There's a lot of loose ends that need to be tied up, and a lot of relationships to resolve. Am I the only one who thinks the remaining few chapters are going to be Kc's Red Wedding?

What's a Red Wedding?
I think Pegs might be the next one to die. She flies back to the Colony. And isn't this the place where Scratch and Tardust are still?
But maybe it won't be Pegs dying, but instead Kelly being "the opposite role" of Scratch in terms of crime and justice ... I don't think it will be CJ or Tanya, 'cause CJ is totally intersted in kicking Pegs. Maybe it is Scratch dying while she tries to finish off Pegs, and then Scratch gets effed up by the other survivors after that? My take is: someone in that corner will die next.

Besides that - and I am sorry to mention this - Victor could be (one of) the next one(s). Somehow I think that Michael and Victor get cornered in the arena or at least on zeehs' turf. And then, while hiding, Victor will die, while Michael is able to find the right protection. After all it was Michael stating several times how worse things would be in this zeeh-pocalypse.

If I am wrong with any of these estimates, then it will be Lady and or Mr Whiskers and or Mr Magoo or one random crow ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[jjbaizavigil]

Just finished listening. Blown away and devastated. I need time to sit with this episode. Wow. Very affecting...

JBV

[Witch_Doctor]

There is too much going on for our survivors to be bothered with Scratch. Ain't nobody got time for that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nVfxd-iuFZU/UbyNmBqf4DI/AAAAAAAAA0M/Nk2-9tglbXo/s1600/sweet-brown.jpg


Unfortunately, it sounds like she has a plan in motion. Hope she gets some serious comeuppance.

[LiamKerrington]

There is too much going on for our survivors to be bothered with Scratch. Ain't nobody got time for that.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nVfxd-iuFZU/UbyNmBqf4DI/AAAAAAAAA0M/Nk2-9tglbXo/s1600/sweet-brown.jpg


Unfortunately, it sounds like she has a plan in motion. Hope she gets some serious comeuppance.

Well, unfortunately, I have to disagree to a certain degree ...
Burt and Riley are out there only for her.

But yes, none else has Scratch on his or her agenda right now. Too bad that Scratch will change this sooner than later. She and Tardust were introduced recently. And considering how close we get in the WA world to me things look like this: either we will witness her reappearance during the next two chapters or during the major finale in #47 and especially #48 ... And that is an interesting question for a new poll, isn't it ... ? (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?5308-Sooner-or-later)

Best wishes!
Liam

[Jannit]

What's a Red Wedding?

Spoilers from Game of Thrones below. You've been warned.

The Red Wedding is a massacre during the War of the Five Kings arranged by Lord Walder Frey as revenge against King Robb Stark for breaking the marriage pact between House Stark and House Frey. During the massacre, King Robb, his wife, Queen Talisa, his mother, Lady Catelyn, and most of his bannermen and men-at-arms are murdered following the marriage feast and bedding of Edmure Tully and Roslin Frey. (From GoT Wiki)

This scene in the TV show on HBO got a LOT of outcry as it effectively killed off a main story line in the movie and got rid of some of people's favorite characters.

[LiamKerrington]

Spoilers from Game of Thrones below. You've been warned.

The Red Wedding is a massacre during the War of the Five Kings arranged by Lord Walder Frey as revenge against King Robb Stark for breaking the marriage pact between House Stark and House Frey. During the massacre, King Robb, his wife, Queen Talisa, his mother, Lady Catelyn, and most of his bannermen and men-at-arms are murdered following the marriage feast and bedding of Edmure Tully and Roslin Frey. (From GoT Wiki)

This scene in the TV show on HBO got a LOT of outcry as it effectively killed off a main story line in the movie and got rid of some of people's favorite characters.

Thanks for the warning. But I don'T watch "Game of Thrones" ... But more importantly: thanks for the explanation ...! Much appreciated.

[Jannit]

Thanks for the warning. But I don'T watch "Game of Thrones" ... But more importantly: thanks for the explanation ...! Much appreciated.

You're welcome. The spoiler warning wasn't for you as I assumed you didn't watch the show. The spoiler warning was for anyone else who may be watching iGoT but hadn't gotten to that episode yet.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

Thanks for the warning. But I don'T watch "Game of Thrones" ... But more importantly: thanks for the explanation ...! Much appreciated.

Me neither, I just stumbled upon this little gem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaD8rouJn0 :D

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

At some point there will be a Scratch showdown.................. I see that scene getting rid of at least 3-4 characters if not more........

Scratch, Tardust, prolly Riley or Burt(Or Both), and who knows who else...........


Then you still have a showdown with Ink at some point........

Rest assured there is still a lot more death around the corner!

Maybe the still unaired scences Scratch is in will be made available after the show has ended as extra DLC. Think about how Saruman's death was handled in LOTR.
Moreover, the whole conclusion of the story is similar to the final of How I Met Your Mother: at first, we will get this pretty happy-ending. But then, a new edited one is secretly included in the "The definite saga collection of WA" where Scratch triumphes at the end and Pegs is crushed to deatch by her cattle*.

* No, I like Pegs, this is not going to happen.

[Witch_Doctor]

Maybe the still unaired scences Scratch is in will be made available after the show has ended as extra DLC. Think about how Saruman's death was handled in LOTR.
Moreover, the whole conclusion of the story is similar to the final of How I Met Your Mother: at first, we will get this pretty happy-ending. But then, a new edited one is secretly included in the "The definite saga collection of WA" where Scratch triumphes at the end and Pegs is crushed to deatch by her cattle*.

* No, I like Pegs, this is not going to happen.
clem131 flips a table.


Can we PLEASE stop spoiling the finale of HIMYM for those of us that haven't seen it yet?! Jeez, it ended not even two weeks ago!!!

[Miss]

As much as I like Lizzie but from the second it was official that she was going to have a baby I had a hunch that she wouldn't make it. It was just a hunch so didn't say anything since I had no proof

[Osiris]

Game of Thrones is a fantastic show and if you're not watching it then you're doing life wrong.

[Eviebae]

Game of Thrones is a fantastic show and if you're not watching it then you're doing life wrong.

Is THAT the problem, hmmm.

[Eviebae]

Minus the incestuous sex scenes

Plus the insectuous sex scenes

[jjbaizavigil]

I'm stuck in phase 4...

JBV

[jjbaizavigil]

Yes, Datu's death came suddenly after so many false alarms.

[Elisa]

Minus the incestuous sex scenes

Are you a Newcastle fan?

[tonyhind86]

Are you a Newcastle fan?

I am indeed :yay:

[LiamKerrington]

Game of Thrones is a fantastic show and if you're not watching it then you're doing life wrong.

I am so bored if it comes to medieval fantasy stuff that GoT did not do it on my list currently, because I read, watched, and played fantasy-themed stuff for roughly 25 years now. This may change some time later again. So my neglection of GoT is not based on dislikes or prejudices; it is just some sort of tiredness. Besides that: Before watching it, I'd rather read the novels upon which the TV show is based on ...

Best wishes!
Liam

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

clem131 flips a table.



Ups, I seem to have skipped this part of the discussion. Page 22 - my catch 22.

[clem131]

clem131 flips a table.



My wife and I just binge watched the last half of the last season to get to the end as fast as possible. Jeez. It's been giant slalom between spoilers for the past 2 weeks, EVERYWHERE.

[clem131]

Game of Thrones is a fantastic show and if you're not watching it then you're doing life wrong.

Personally I am waiting for Martin to conclude the saga before investing some time in it: to me closure is easily half of the pleasure I get from entertaiment. He's getting old and who knows if he will ever. I already had the Dune saga, thank you very much.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

My wife and I just binge watched the last half of the last season to get to the end as fast as possible. Jeez. It's been giant slalom between spoilers for the past 2 weeks, EVERYWHERE.

Sorry for the spoiler I put in one of my recent posts. :omgomg:

[Osiris]

I am so bored if it comes to medieval fantasy stuff that GoT did not do it on my list currently, because I read, watched, and played fantasy-themed stuff for roughly 25 years now. This may change some time later again. So my neglection of GoT is not based on dislikes or prejudices; it is just some sort of tiredness. Besides that: Before watching it, I'd rather read the novels upon which the TV show is based on ...

Best wishes!
Liam

I was burned out on fantasy until the first season of GoT. Good storytelling, and fantastic acting make it worthwhile. I purposely avoided the books in favour of experiencing the show with non-biased perspective.

[tonyhind86]

I was burned out on fantasy until the first season of GoT. Good storytelling, and fantastic acting make it worthwhile. I purposely avoided the books in favour of experiencing the show with non-biased perspective.

Plus it means the surprises in store during the show will be a better experience for you. I've read the books, so kinda know what's coming, which spoils a bit of the fun, but still enjoy the show all the same

[Witch_Doctor]

My wife and I just binge watched the last half of the last season to get to the end as fast as possible. Jeez. It's been giant slalom between spoilers for the past 2 weeks, EVERYWHERE.

The young lady who lives with me is binge watching the entire series. Every night she watches an hour or two of it. I think she's avoiding social media until she finishes the series.

[Merlin1274]

Some one Rep YetAnotherBloodyCheek for me for that Video.. It was Hilarious..

[Eviebae]

I am so bored if it comes to medieval fantasy stuff that GoT did not do it on my list currently, because I read, watched, and played fantasy-themed stuff for roughly 25 years now. This may change some time later again. So my neglection of GoT is not based on dislikes or prejudices; it is just some sort of tiredness. Besides that: Before watching it, I'd rather read the novels upon which the TV show is based on ...

Best wishes!
Liam

I think WA has made me less satisfied with the ubiquitous "cool idea, bad writing" and the "10-15 year olds think this is amazing" horror or sci fi

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

Another question: What will happen to Lizzy's body? Will it be buried at the colony? Will it be burned? Obviously, if the colony is abandoned, there's a potential risk the zombies will dig it out sooner or later. This question might be considered too impious, it however occurred to me today.

[Eviebae]

Another question: What will happen to Lizzy's body? Will it be buried at the colony? Will it be burned? Obviously, if the colony is abandoned, there's a potential risk the zombies will dig it out sooner or later. This question might be considered too impious, it however occurred to me today.

I think it's kinda sweet because you are thinking about her in 3 dimensions--as a person/body.

[Gooer]

Another question: What will happen to Lizzy's body? Will it be buried at the colony? Will it be burned? Obviously, if the colony is abandoned, there's a potential risk the zombies will dig it out sooner or later. This question might be considered too impious, it however occurred to me today.

I'd say it should be cremation, but they will more likely bury it...

[Raven]

Am I the only one thinking that if Riley and Burt didn't hear either groups SOS they are in their own showdown? Maybe the next chapater will be all back fill of Scratch/ Tar and Burt/Riley

[Witch_Doctor]

Am I the only one thinking that if Riley and Burt didn't hear either groups SOS they are in their own showdown? Maybe the next chapater will be all back fill of Scratch/ Tar and Burt/Riley

You're probably right. These particular story arcs, the baby's birth and Datu's impending death, have concluded. Looks like a change in focus is due, unless we get a chapter full of grieving and memorial services.

[beans]

Wow! Of the whole story, I haven't had my heartstrings yanked this badly since...well, "the arena part 1"... of which those previous events were poignantly referenced well.

Big shot out to the whole team: writers, voice actors, and sound folks for this one.

5.0 GPA, A+!!!

[LiamKerrington]

You're probably right. These particular story arcs, the baby's birth and Datu's impending death, have concluded. Looks like a change in focus is due, unless we get a chapter full of grieving and memorial services.

Prediction time:

#45 - Scratch and Pegs are being confronted. By whatever means and unlikely as it may seem: Pegs wins, Tardust gets killed, Scratch gets away again. Someone else dies - maybe Kelly. maybe Tanya ...
#46 - Riley and Burt run into Scratch. Burt kills Scratch and gets killed by Scratch himself. Riley gets seriously wounded and is able to radio to the Colony; Pegs and Saul will get her and save her life.
#47 - Michael and Victor get closer and closer to the new breeding-facility of them zombos. They are recognized by some zombos, and they try to flee. For whatever unnatural, unreasonable, and unlikely reason Victor runs out of cologne and gets eaten by them zombos, while Michael gets out of the pit.
#48 - Michael radios to the Colony and asks for reinforcements. Saul puts KODI into the helicopter, and Pegs brings both KODI and Saul to where Michael is hiding. And then ... *dundunDUNNN*

Best wishes!
Liam

[LiamKerrington]

And not to forget:

Some time inbetween Mr Whiskers, Lady, some hens and Mr Macgoo reunite and will unleash the force of the "Animalistic Avengers" on them zombies ...

[beans]

I'd like to add that little Nickolas will be on Ink's radar for "little ones 2.0"

[Jannit]

Guys, I have a confession. I woke up this morning dreading the day until I realized Monday was new episode of WA! That thought buoyed me until I came here and remembered we're in the middle of a two week break AND how sad the last episode was.

Screw you Mondays. You officially suck.

[LiamKerrington]

Guys, I have a confession. I woke up this morning dreading the day until I realized Monday was new episode of WA! That thought buoyed me until I came here and remembered we're in the middle of a two week break AND how sad the last episode was.

Screw you Mondays. You officially suck.

Funny. I had a similar experience in the morning ...

[Witch_Doctor]

And not to forget:

Some time inbetween Mr Whiskers, Lady, some hens and Mr Macgoo reunite and will unleash the force of the "Animalistic Avengers" on them zombies ...

A la LADY, ZOMBIE KILLER! A story about a dog, a cat, a goat named Dog and a calf with a baseball bat.

[Witch_Doctor]

Just thought of something. Sorry for sounding insensitive or if this has already been mentioned, but it looks like the windmill project is screwed. Perhaps the Colony will officially be abandoned.

[alexcadtek]

Another question: What will happen to Lizzy's body? Will it be buried at the colony? Will it be burned? Obviously, if the colony is abandoned, there's a potential risk the zombies will dig it out sooner or later. This question might be considered too impious, it however occurred to me today.

Saul will burn her and carry the ashes in a necklace.

[Eviebae]

I find myself oddly looking forward to a Scratch death scene because I expect it to show different shades of her character.

[Osiris]

I read the first draft of 45 last night. It's.... you guys are really going to be surprised at just how incredibly wrong you've been.

[Eviebae]

I read the first draft of 45 last night. It's.... you guys are really going to be surprised at just how incredibly wrong you've been.


YOU WHAT?!?!
:mad:*Knocks over table!*:mad:

[Eviebae]

Hey, has anyone else noticed that if you look at the picture of Ink in the hallway (Chapter 11) as a small image; There's a white smudge in front of him that kinda makes it look like he's holding flowers? I knew he wasn't; but after a long time of seeing it tiny my brain decided he WAS holding flowers and was surprised he wasn't. Maybe explains a lot about my pre-husband dating history...

[Red Shirt]

Guys, I have a confession. I woke up this morning dreading the day until I realized Monday was new episode of WA! That thought buoyed me until I came here and remembered we're in the middle of a two week break AND how sad the last episode was.

Screw you Mondays. You officially suck.

Funny. I had a similar experience in the morning ...

I'll agree that Mondays do suck, but I feel like I needed a break. I think it's the first time I've ever felt that about WA, relieved that the new episode was two weeks away.


Just thought of something. Sorry for sounding insensitive or if this has already been mentioned, but it looks like the windmill project is screwed. Perhaps the Colony will officially be abandoned.

Frankly, I think they will be better for it. I think that both Towers and the Colony were good examples of the sunken cost fallacy. They all served their initial purpose, but they should have all been abandoned for better digs loooong ago.


Hey, has anyone else noticed that if you look at the picture of Ink in the hallway (Chapter 11) as a small image; There's a white smudge in front of him that kinda makes it look like he's holding flowers? I knew he wasn't; but after a long time of seeing it tiny my brain decided he WAS holding flowers and was surprised he wasn't. Maybe explains a lot about my pre-husband dating history...

For some reason, my brain told me that he was smoking a cigarette and left it at that for a long time... until one day the rational part of my mind thought 'Why would a zombie be smoking a cigarette?' and I took a closer look.

[Eviebae]

I'll agree that Mondays do suck, but I feel like I needed a break. I think it's the first time I've ever felt that about WA, relieved that the new episode was two weeks away.

Me too; tho I wanna drift around the forums more than usual for a break period.


Frankly, I think they will be better for it. I think that both Towers and the Colony were good examples of the sunken cost fallacy. They all served their initial purpose, but they should have all been abandoned for better digs loooong ago.

This is interesting to me. Decisions are hard--just look at playing solitaire--and life seldom offers undo.
When would you know that's true? Especially when you are doing something so different as surviving an apocalypse? O_o.
Only some of the people were around for the first round of sunk costs (which were profound). In that they are going to various safe houses around the city; that's using sunk cost also isn't it?
Do you think their breaking up into little groups = better chances? What kind of place do you think they should go? What if they went to...i dunno, Bermuda instead?


For some reason, my brain told me that he was smoking a cigarette and left it at that for a long time... until one day the rational part of my mind thought 'Why would a zombie be smoking a cigarette?' and I took a closer look.

I am not alone:D

[Gooer]

Prediction time:

#45 - Scratch and Pegs are being confronted. By whatever means and unlikely as it may seem: Pegs wins, Tardust gets killed, Scratch gets away again. Someone else dies - maybe Kelly. maybe Tanya ...
#46 - Riley and Burt run into Scratch. Burt kills Scratch and gets killed by Scratch himself. Riley gets seriously wounded and is able to radio to the Colony; Pegs and Saul will get her and save her life.
#47 - Michael and Victor get closer and closer to the new breeding-facility of them zombos. They are recognized by some zombos, and they try to flee. For whatever unnatural, unreasonable, and unlikely reason Victor runs out of cologne and gets eaten by them zombos, while Michael gets out of the pit.
#48 - Michael radios to the Colony and asks for reinforcements. Saul puts KODI into the helicopter, and Pegs brings both KODI and Saul to where Michael is hiding. And then ... *dundunDUNNN*

Best wishes!
Liam

Damn, you think EVERYONE will pretty much be dead?

[Eviebae]

I'm expecting for Scratch to be all yelly and posturing and suddenly there's a gunshot and she falls. Tardust is just up to here with her BS. Which means nope, that's not what is going to happen.

[Witch_Doctor]

Hey, has anyone else noticed that if you look at the picture of Ink in the hallway (Chapter 11) as a small image; There's a white smudge in front of him that kinda makes it look like he's holding flowers? I knew he wasn't; but after a long time of seeing it tiny my brain decided he WAS holding flowers and was surprised he wasn't. Maybe explains a lot about my pre-husband dating history...



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Ha Ha!!! Yeah, you're right!. He's just misunderstood. :melt:

[MannyG]

Hey Y'all I've finally caught up on all episodes. I started listening last weekend powered through putting aside all my WTF?, Nerdist industries related podcasts in order to join the group.

I'm not sad to see Datu go as most peoples opinions go regarding Datu I felt he was a bit of a winer. I would have liked for him to grow a pair and go out in a blaze of glory. Strapping Claymore mines and any other kinds of explosives to a suicide vest and taking a stroll into the belly of the church. (SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!)

[LiamKerrington]

Damn, you think EVERYONE will pretty much be dead?

Certainly.
Michael is kind of pessimistic anytime he introduces a new season.
And after all: It is a zombocalypse ... !

But maybe I exaggerate a bit, too ... Also I am not very serious about my assessments. I, for example, have not considered the specific role Burt might still have to play in this story. Maybe he will be the one going into the zombie-infested territories in order to manually ignite the bomb attached to KODI, because the electronics don't work properly anymore ... Would be kind of a tragic and very heroic way of dying in this world. Or maybe it is Burt who charges into masses of zombies in order to rescue Nicholas from whatever Ink or Randy or both of them want to do to the little kid ... I think there are plenty of opportunitys or options I have not considered with my brief list.

Best wishes!
Liam

[Eviebae]

Certainly.
Michael is kind of pessimistic anytime he introduces a new season.
And after all: It is a zombocalypse ... !

You're just trying to protect yourself from future heartache by getting ready for the other several shoes to fall. :nik:

If it's true that the very end is going to be after they've all sacrificed their lives in order to end the epidemic then yes, for sure they will all be dead

[Footbutt]

I'm expecting for Scratch to be all yelly and posturing and suddenly there's a gunshot and she falls. Tardust is just up to here with her BS. Which means nope, that's not what is going to happen.

Tardust is an interesting character.
He's a complete scuzball and a self-preservist. he's a planner, a thinker, and an asshole.
his Milton-like writhing-of-hands attitude could save him in a "do i back Scratch up in the moment?" decision, but i can see him dying with someone's boot on his neck.

i think when it comes down to saving Scrach or his own skin, the choice will be obvious.

i can see Saul getting to take out Tardust, and someone else, like Burt or Riley, killing Scratch.

[Eviebae]

Tardust is an interesting character.
He's a complete scuzball and a self-preservist. he's a planner, a thinker, and an asshole.
his Milton-like writhing-of-hands attitude could save him in a "do i back Scratch up in the moment?" decision, but i can see him dying with someone's boot on his neck.


I like his voice (the actors) because it has character. He sounds like someone from the 40's.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

I like his voice (the actors) because it has character. He sounds like someone from the 40's.

Wait until Scratch squeezes his balls (again) for failing to decrypt the colony's radio transmissions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQc6uYAhC3o

He is interesting nevertheless. Poor guy.

[Gooer]

Wonder if Tardust will be killed along with the eventual death of Scratch....

[Witch_Doctor]

I like his voice (the actors) because it has character. He sounds like someone from the 40's.

I have to admit that his voice (and ALL of the Mallers') was a turn-off, at first. They sounded too much like stereotypical bad guys from Chicago gangster films and 50s hoodlums. Nothing contemporary like you would expect prisoners from a hardcore lock-up like Eastern Bay.

I keep expecting to hear Tardust talk about 'rubbing out' someone, or Scratch trying to decide which switch blade to take to the 'rumble.'
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01670/SNN1115TOP---_1670796a.jpg

http://wrongsideoftheart.com/wp-content/gallery/stills/reform_school_girl_02.jpg

[Eviebae]

I have to admit that his voice (and ALL of the Mallers') was a turn-off, at first. They sounded too much like stereotypical bad guys from Chicago gangster films and 50s hoodlums. Nothing contemporary like you would expect prisoners from a hardcore lock-up like Eastern Bay.

I keep expecting to hear Tardust talk about 'rubbing out' someone, or Scratch trying to decide which switch blade to take to the 'rumble.'
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01670/SNN1115TOP---_1670796a.jpg

http://wrongsideoftheart.com/wp-content/gallery/stills/reform_school_girl_02.jpg

O_o You have an inexhaustible supplies of those don't you?

[Eviebae]

OT, that movie was hysterical!

[Osiris]

O_o You have an inexhaustible supplies of those don't you?

Google.

[Litmaster]

Google.

:nik::nik::nik:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOBzWF0Aws

[Eviebae]

Google.

yup, endless supply

[Matt Gossett]

Tardust is an interesting character.
He's a complete scuzball and a self-preservist. he's a planner, a thinker, and an asshole.
his Milton-like writhing-of-hands attitude could save him in a "do i back Scratch up in the moment?" decision, but i can see him dying with someone's boot on his neck.

i think when it comes down to saving Scrach or his own skin, the choice will be obvious.

i can see Saul getting to take out Tardust, and someone else, like Burt or Riley, killing Scratch.

I can't see anyone besides Burt killing scratch! They have been enemies from the start! I would love an ending where Burt is standing over her, blows her away, and then the credits roll!

[Zombie Yeti]

I can't see anyone besides Burt killing scratch! They have been enemies from the start! I would love an ending where Burt is standing over her, blows her away, and then the credits roll!
He will use one of his one liners or his go to mad Max reference

[alexcadtek]

I can't see anyone besides Burt killing scratch! They have been enemies from the start! I would love an ending where Burt is standing over her, blows her away, and then the credits roll!

Riley will shoot her with an arrow in the leg or something like that and when she is standing over scratch, she will not be able to pull the trigger, but then burt will Say, I can, This is for shirley, Bitch! and boo ya she is gone!

[Gooer]

Riley will shoot her with an arrow in the leg or something like that and when she is standing over scratch, she will not be able to pull the trigger, but then burt will Say, I can, This is for shirley, Bitch! and boo ya she is gone!

Think Riley's extreme hatred to Scratch will allow her to kill her, I'm pretty sure at least.....

[Gooer]

It will be interesting to see if Tardust will be helping the Colony, even in a little way. They might do the same as they did with Pippin; limited access, such as to one locked room, but will be able to help in little ways, like analyzing samples, or something like that....

[alexcadtek]

Think Riley's extreme hatred to Scratch will allow her to kill her, I'm pretty sure at least.....

I dont know, I still think that she will get to emotional but wont be able to do it. ya she is strong but I still beleive that she will not be able to. Now Burt would probably not want Riley to get her hands dirty anyway.But burt on the other hand was a marine and he could do this all day everyday.

[Gooer]

I dont know, I still think that she will get to emotional but wont be able to do it. ya she is strong but I still beleive that she will not be able to. Now Burt would probably not want Riley to get her hands dirty anyway.But burt on the other hand was a marine and he could do this all day everyday.

Either: Burt is downed (hopefully won't die) and Riley has to do it otherwise she'll escape, or she has a gun pointed at Scratch, but can't pull the trigger. Scratch eggs her on until Good Guy Burt comes along and does it before Riley can, keeping her slate (mostly) clean.

[Original_Joseph]

Nate tore this one up.

It would have been funny if Datu's ex-wife were waiting for him instead of Samantha (One last "OOOHHH NOOOOO MICHAEL!!!") but I'm glad he got a good ending.

I had wondered how the little ones started out so little and never thought of this. Now the question is why they spread their traits when they turn someone. Do the drugs work on the infection, not the host, and if so, what kind of drugs would make reliable changes in bacteria or virii?

Still surprised no one tried to save Datu. No trying that giant bag of antibiotics? A blood transfusion from Saul or Tonya? Grrr.

[Merlin1274]

If they knew then what they know now? Maybe? But I do not think it works that way. But a Blood Transfusion would have been an interesting attempt anyway.. Never know..

[Witch_Doctor]

I think the topic of blood transfusion and the antibiotics came up somewhere. I just can't remember where. In the show or on the forum.

[Original_Joseph]

Early after she joins the cast, Tanya says that she tried a broad course of antibiotics with the slow turner at the Colony and it didn't work, but when Datu gets bitten, she pretty much just tells Michael there's no point using what little medicine they have on a lost cause. When Saul found the stash of antibiotics at Kane, I expected them to try them on Datu, but it never came up. At this point in the story, they're just out there, like Checkov's antibiotics. :)

[Mama_Chita]

[QUOTE=LiamKerrington;74990]ok ... what do we have?

- CJ is a lucky bitch. Now Ms Captain Ahab has a new chance to get Saul (back) ...

"You were thinking it!"
"Well you said it!"

[Gooer]

Early after she joins the cast, Tanya says that she tried a broad course of antibiotics with the slow turner at the Colony and it didn't work, but when Datu gets bitten, she pretty much just tells Michael there's no point using what little medicine they have on a lost cause. When Saul found the stash of antibiotics at Kane, I expected them to try them on Datu, but it never came up. At this point in the story, they're just out there, like Checkov's antibiotics. :)

Well, the stuff Saul found were pretty hardcore antibiotics - if you were gathering supplies in the dawn of an zombie outbreak, you'd want to find guns, ammo, food and simple medication, as they're easier to get/find. And remember there are only 3 groups (that we know of) left alive in LA, the colony was ~30 miles away from LA, probably other hospitals in that general area to loot for the antibiotics.