Need a proofer for Chapter 12. UPDATED!

[Kc]

So, chapter 24 has been somewhat revised. The name "puck" has been changed, and I also stripped "Modern Myth" from the end since that LLC was dissolved (We went back to Wayland Productions, but that's old news. LLC's aren't worth it, well, at least for us).

Anyway, I'll be releasing the remastered version into the podcast channel. Nothing huge, but some minor changes. Anyway, I just need one or two proofers before I put it on the channel and send it to Blackstone to be included in the next printing of season 2.

First come, first serve, but also, don't volunteer unless you can do it!

---- UPDATE---- I now need someone else (or persons) to proof chapter 12. New post at the end of this thread.

[Gooer]

When do you need them for? I'm free today/tomorrow/wednesday, and in the afternoons on weekdays i have free time

[Kc]

Sweet. I'll send it right now via pm. Thanks!

[tonyhind86]

I've got some free time this weekend if you need another volunteer. Send it my way and I could do it now

[Kc]

I've got some free time this weekend if you need another volunteer. Send it my way and I could do it now

Will do!

[tonyhind86]

Downloaded the file onto my phone, will give you my evaluation after 52 minutes 31 seconds :D

[Litmaster]

I heard that Puck's name was changed to Litmaster... :nik:

[Deacon_Tyler]

I can do it as well, if you need a second person

[Kc]

I can do it as well, if you need a second person

I think 2's ok for now. The new version will hit the channel soon enough after they QC it.

[Gooer]

About 1/4 way through it, don't see (or hear) any problems so far

[Gooer]

Heh, Biscuit. So far, seems flawless, couldn't tell that it had been re-written

[tonyhind86]

Submitted my final evaluation via inbox.

In short, 👍

[Gooer]

Hm, the credit changes were pretty good: like how it tells you who everyone played. Overall, I didn't hear any problems whatsoever, seems flawless

[tonyhind86]

Hm, the credit changes were pretty good: like how it tells you who everyone played. Overall, I didn't hear any problems whatsoever, seems flawless

Because I've listened to the episodes so many times already, I was listening purely to spot any changes. I noticed them, but had to rewind the file to double check.

And I still got a stir of emotion when Kalani did his kamikaze, when Burt fell and when the tower collapsed.

[Kc]

Cool. Thanks everyone. I should have this on the feed by Monday.

[Gooer]

I was going to ask if there was an achievement/award related to this, but i noticed on Kc's its only for season 3, and my heart sank a little...

[tonyhind86]

I was going to ask if there was an achievement/award related to this, but i noticed on Kc's its only for season 3, and my heart sank a little...

Being able to listen to the podcast is the best award possible

[Kc]

I was going to ask if there was an achievement/award related to this, but i noticed on Kc's its only for season 3, and my heart sank a little...

We'll have something for Season 4 when we're remastering, so you can unlock that achievement then... or I could do it Monday. Just remind me :)

PS> I updated the feed so the new version is in. BUT, I won't post about it till Monday.

[Gooer]

We'll have something for Season 4 when we're remastering, so you can unlock that achievement then... or I could do it Monday. Just remind me :)

PS> I updated the feed so the new version is in. BUT, I won't post about it till Monday.

Woop. But i wanna keep the old episode, for nostalgia.......

[Osiris]

I have nova king idea what is going on here.

[tonyhind86]

I have nova king idea what is going on here.


Basically, something that happened in 2011 has been updated in 2014.

[Storm]

If you're ever going to go back and do a re-remastering of the show, there are a few things I've noticed:
Door in 1.1, around 2:41 as the teacher's talking to Michael. The fading of his voice doesn't fit with the sound of the closing door. Suggestion would be to move the door sound a few hundred miliseconds forward, or maybe remove the extra 'there's' in his line.
In chapter 3.1, at 3:21, when Angel and Saul are looting the mall, Saul mentions that the zombies don't seem to attack each other. He's stuttering a bit however, which of course could have a reasonal explanation, but can't see why he'd do so :)
Chapter 23.1, around 3:06, Kalani talks to Burt about Angel's and his trip to the base. He's kinda doing the same as Saul back in 3.1.
I've checked, and all three are on the CD sets too, at least the ones I have. Bought the first two seasons in the spring of 2012 or so. Might've been summer.
Oh, and another thing. Any reason there's music at the end of chapter 16 in the podcast, but not on the disc? A friend of me pointed that out to me. Can't say I would've realised such a thing though.
Other than that... Glad to see the Puck/Puck case is now solved, new listeners shall no longer be confused... Yay~ ^^

[Kc]

Chapter 23.1, around 3:06, Kalani talks to Burt about Angel's and his trip to the base. He's kinda doing the same as Saul back in 3.1.
I've checked, and all three are on the CD sets too, at least the ones I have. Bought the first two seasons in the spring of 2012 or so. Might've been summer.
Oh, and another thing. Any reason there's music at the end of chapter 16 in the podcast, but not on the disc? A friend of me pointed that out to me. Can't say I would've realised such a thing though.
Other than that... Glad to see the Puck/Puck case is now solved, new listeners shall no longer be confused... Yay~ ^^

The chapter 16 music thing was a personal choice. I think (keep in mind that we remastered it a long time ago) that it was cut because I didn't like what the music conveyed. We swapped out different music choices in the remastered version (SEASON 1 especially). Eventually, we will be revisiting the series with possible pickups and line additions/changes for a "clean" version. There will no doubt be little things we add and change, that might be one of them.

The puck thing was too big to leave alone, and I'm surprised I left it as long as I did. It's hard to catch up with the long list of things we still have to do. There's been many times where we attempted to do "clean" versions, but just didn't have enough time and energy to create two fully different versions.

As for the Chapter 23 note... what is that? I'm not sure I'm catching what you're saying there.

[tonyhind86]

When you mention a *clean* version, if you're referring to the profanity, I would vote against it. This story is a post-apocolyptic thriller, with highly strung characters in highly stressful situations. Swear words are a given. Christ, I turn the air blue if I can't get my socks on in the morning :nik:

[Storm]

The chapter 16 music thing was a personal choice. I think (keep in mind that we remastered it a long time ago) that it was cut because I didn't like what the music conveyed. We swapped out different music choices in the remastered version (SEASON 1 especially). Eventually, we will be revisiting the series with possible pickups and line additions/changes for a "clean" version. There will no doubt be little things we add and change, that might be one of them.

The puck thing was too big to leave alone, and I'm surprised I left it as long as I did. It's hard to catch up with the long list of things we still have to do. There's been many times where we attempted to do "clean" versions, but just didn't have enough time and energy to create two fully different versions.

As for the Chapter 23 note... what is that? I'm not sure I'm catching what you're saying there.

Yeah, makes sense about the music :) I don't even won't to guess how long it takes to remaster it, nor to do a clean version... But I'm sure it's a ton of Work.
The chapter 23 part I'm refering to is this. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3675982/Untitled1.mp3) As I said, nothing big, but it's such stuff I kinda pick up immediately. I must say though that you're doing an extremely great job though. The Danish audio dramas kinda suck when it comes to that. I've heard a character call another person by their own name, one sound effect being used twice within one second (just sounds horrible), sound effects not being placed in the right spot in the stereo field... The Danish audio dramas, even though they're made by DR (kinda what BBC would be for England I guess), aren't really something to be too exited about. The last one, about the stereo field, isn't really a problem in WA though, when most of the stuff is in the center anyway.
I guess it's easier editing it when you don't have to think about if the character's voice shal be more to the right, or which way they shall move... I had to get used to listening to that way of doing it though, all the audio dramas I've listened to were in stereo (and I've listened to quite a lot by now).
So yeah... With 43 hours of audio and only three small Things I've been able to find so far, I'd say it's pretty well done. ^^

[Gooer]

When you mention a *clean* version, if you're referring to the profanity, I would vote against it. This story is a post-apocolyptic thriller, with highly strung characters in highly stressful situations. Swear words are a given. Christ, I turn the air blue if I can't get my socks on in the morning :nik:

It's for the people who can't/don't appreciate the profanity; it'll create a larger audience

[Gooer]

The chapter 23 part I'm refering to is this. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3675982/Untitled1.mp3)

I think it makes it more natural to leave it, instead of read from a script (not like it ever would sound like that)

[tonyhind86]

It's for the people who can't/don't appreciate the profanity; it'll create a larger audience

But it kind of removes some of the realism of the situation.

If you woke up to a zombie apocalypse, and had to fight tooth and nail to survive, would you refrain from swearing?

[Gooer]

But it kind of removes some of the realism of the situation.

If you woke up to a zombie apocalypse, and had to fight tooth and nail to survive, would you refrain from swearing?

No, but i constantly swear at the littlest things, and while it does add realism, it isn't required. People do get by without swearing. Say you had a younger child/teen, who is "innocent" to the world of swear words, but you think they would enjoy the story/depth of this podcast. Would you want to introduce it this way? Some parents wouldn't, so doing this would allow them to include them in this, thus reaching out to another type of audience.

[Storm]

I think it makes it more natural to leave it, instead of read from a script (not like it ever would sound like that)

As I've said it's not like we've got another Puck/Puck problem here, just a Little suggestion for a correction later on if it was going to be looked over Again. I know I'm kinda perfectionistic, but I try not to overdo it.
Of course we could just pretend he's nervous or something like that. :)

[tonyhind86]

Say you had a younger child/teen, who is "innocent" to the world of swear words, but you think they would enjoy the story/depth of this podcast. Would you want to introduce it this way? Some parents wouldn't, so doing this would allow them to include them in this, thus reaching out to another type of audience.

One way or the other, children will eventually be exposed to profanity. More often than not, it would be between their friends and influencial adults. I believe the level of profanity in this podcast is fairly mild in comparison.

[Gooer]

As I've said it's not like we've got another Puck/Puck problem here, just a Little suggestion for a correction later on if it was going to be looked over Again. I know I'm kinda perfectionistic, but I try not to overdo it.
Of course we could just pretend he's nervous or something like that. :)

Yea, i see what you're getting at, but like i said, it makes it sound more natural: we don't all speak perfectly, all the time, so the occasional mumble and stutter adds to the realism (as much as you can to a zombie based podcast, anyway)

[Kc]

Yeah, makes sense about the music :) I don't even won't to guess how long it takes to remaster it, nor to do a clean version... But I'm sure it's a ton of Work.
The chapter 23 part I'm refering to is this. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3675982/Untitled1.mp3) As I said, nothing big, but it's such stuff I kinda pick up immediately. I must say though that you're doing an extremely great job though. The Danish audio dramas kinda suck when it comes to that. I've heard a character call another person by their own name, one sound effect being used twice within one second (just sounds horrible), sound effects not being placed in the right spot in the stereo field... The Danish audio dramas, even though they're made by DR (kinda what BBC would be for England I guess), aren't really something to be too exited about. The last one, about the stereo field, isn't really a problem in WA though, when most of the stuff is in the center anyway.
I guess it's easier editing it when you don't have to think about if the character's voice shal be more to the right, or which way they shall move... I had to get used to listening to that way of doing it though, all the audio dramas I've listened to were in stereo (and I've listened to quite a lot by now).
So yeah... With 43 hours of audio and only three small Things I've been able to find so far, I'd say it's pretty well done. ^^


As I've said it's not like we've got another Puck/Puck problem here, just a Little suggestion for a correction later on if it was going to be looked over Again. I know I'm kinda perfectionistic, but I try not to overdo it.
Of course we could just pretend he's nervous or something like that. :)

Ok, so now I finally know what you're talking about. Yeah, those stutters are actually intentional. I have other versions where they don't, and often choose the ones they do because it's more natural sounding. It's like leaving the imperfections in. Those won't get changed, at least it's not my intention to. The only time I might, is when a very important word is left out, or an inflection doesn't mean what I want it to mean.

For the longest time I thought you were talking about a plot problem, and I was like... um.... huh?

As for why we're doing a "clean" version, it's for more wider appeal. There's certain international language courses that use our show as a way to learn English (cool huh!), and this would let us do more with the series, possibly even have it on the radio. It's like musicians who create music with explicit language, they always have a version to fall back on for radio and such. The mainstream version is still the official version, but it's only more options.

As for the stereo thing, yes, it takes more time and we used to actually do that. I found after a few episodes that it actually took away from what was happening in the story, and ended up being more of a gimmick. The spacial audio scene is filled with distractions from what you're supposed to be paying attention to. I feel the same way about most 5.1 surround sound tracks. Stereo or 5.1, it doesn't change the story. At the university I work at, many students spend so much time trying to perfect a 5.1 mix, that they don't spend the time on the things they really should focus on. I've pissed off a few people in the AD community by telling them that too, and they just keep on doing it. The stupid part is that it's not even realistic to what your ears do. If someone's to your left or right slightly, the panning difference should be negligible. And then, when you add the perspective of shuffling right or left on the pan, what's that mean about where WE the audience is at in the story. Are we always in the center of the scene and people move around us?

TLDR; Stereo panning is distracting and a waste of time, IMO.

[Storm]

Ok, so now I finally know what you're talking about. Yeah, those stutters are actually intentional. I have other versions where they don't, and often choose the ones they do because it's more natural sounding. It's like leaving the imperfections in. Those won't get changed, at least it's not my intention to. The only time I might, is when a very important word is left out, or an inflection doesn't mean what I want it to mean.

For the longest time I thought you were talking about a plot problem, and I was like... um.... huh?
*Nods* I see. Makes sense that they're there then.
And yeah, making sounds and whatever pan takes way too much time. What I used to do when I tried to make some (extremely unserious) audio dramas was to just record the stuff with a stereo recorder and kinda just go with that. They didn't include anything unnatural so it wasn't really a problem.
I don't even know how much control I can get over the stereo field in GoldWave when using a screen reader. Hmmm...

[Kc]

UPDATE!
I now need someone to proof Chapter 12 for me. I will be giving out QC awards for this, and those who already participated will also get one.

Who's in? First come first serve. All I did was replace "Modern Myth Productions" with "Wayland Productions" at the end. Just need someone to QC the whole thing anyway to make sure there's no problems.

[Gooer]

Sure, I'm game. Unless someone else wants it

[Kc]

Sure, I'm game. Unless someone else wants it

I'll send it right over. Uploading now.

[Gooer]

I'll send it right over. Uploading now.

Didn't even remember it saying Modern Myth Productions at the end....

[Kc]

Didn't even remember it saying Modern Myth Productions at the end....

It did. Cleaning house still. The publisher's removing the old logos and such from those prints. I think after this wave of updates, we won't need to touch them again.

[tonyhind86]

I could listen to it too if you need a 2nd opinion.

Just finished watching the WA Fancast vid - epic beard btw :nik:

[Gooer]

It did. Cleaning house still. The publisher's removing the old logos and such from those prints. I think after this wave of updates, we won't need to touch them again.

Just listened to the end of chapter 12 on my iTunes; I have the 4 part edition, and they all have Wayland production at the end. Unless it was changed for the CD version....

[Kc]

Just listened to the end of chapter 12 on my iTunes; I have the 4 part edition, and they all have Wayland production at the end. Unless it was changed for the CD version....

This is the CD version.

[Gooer]

This is the CD version.

Thought so. Alrighty, I'll come back with my report when its finished

[tonyhind86]

Something a few minutes in caught my attention. The part where Saul appears at the window inviting the Mallers to join the party, and Angel goes up to get him down. When Angel returns, he says "Bill's under control upstairs" (4:33 if I'm not mistaken)

[Witch_Doctor]

Heh, Biscuit. So far, seems flawless, couldn't tell that it had been re-written

Biscuit. Nice, I like that one.

[Gooer]

Something a few minutes in caught my attention. The part where Saul appears at the window inviting the Mallers to join the party, and Angel goes up to get him down. When Angel returns, he says "Bill's under control upstairs" (4:33 if I'm not mistaken)

It was Bill that called down, not Saul

[tonyhind86]

It was Bill that called down, not Saul

Ah cool, thanks for that. Disregard previous comment :nik:

[Gooer]

Ah cool, thanks for that. Disregard previous comment :nik:

What previous comment?

:nik:

[Kc]

Ah cool, thanks for that. Disregard previous comment :nik:

I will never forget it...

[tonyhind86]

I will never forget it...

I shouldn't be allowed to

[Gooer]

I will never forget it...

Uh oh.

Think Tony is done for.

[tonyhind86]

I spotted a mistake. Durai had the nerve to threaten Sgt Michael Cross! And Burt!

And Pegs...

:nik:

[Gooer]

I spotted a mistake. Durai had the nerve to threaten Sgt Michael Cross! And Burt!

And Pegs...

:nik:

*sigh*

I always laugh when Durai says "I don't appreciate your tone Sgt Michael Cross!"

[tonyhind86]

*sigh*

I always laugh when Durai says "I don't appreciate your tone Sgt Michael Cross!"

Nobody crosses the Cross :nik:

[tonyhind86]

The Mallers killed Bill. I thought that was Uma Thurman's plan? :nik:

[Gooer]

Feels different listening to the whole chapters, instead of the 4 parts. Besides from that, sounds good so far, just 30 mins left.

[Kc]

The remasters sometimes lose the hooks and cliffhangers, but that's just how it goes...

[tonyhind86]

The remasters sometimes lose the hooks and cliffhangers, but that's just how it goes...

I'm still dying to find out what happens next, even though I already know. I'm currently at the part when Latch gets shot. I still got a shock!

[Gooer]

I'm still dying to find out what happens next, even though I already know. I'm currently at the part when Latch gets shot. I still got a shock!

I was looking forward to it, just a shame it wasn't Scratch....

[Gooer]

Ok, finished listening. I heard no problems at all.

P.S. Who did Lindsey Salk play?

[Kc]

Ok, finished listening. I heard no problems at all.

P.S. Who did Lindsey Salk play?

The girl in chapter 1.

[Gooer]

The girl in chapter 1.

Oh, i see. Cool cool

As i said, I heard nothing wrong with the chapter

[tonyhind86]

The girl in chapter 1.

Was she the one that tried to invite Michael to the college party? I was watching the s1-e1 recording on youtube earlier

If I'm wrong again, you have my permission to slap me upside the head with a stick :nik:

[Gooer]

Was she the one that tried to invite Michael to the college party? I was watching the s1-e1 recording on youtube earlier

If I'm wrong again, you have my permission to slap me upside the head with a stick :nik:

You're correct, I believe.....

(Inb4 we're both wrong)

[Kc]

Was she the one that tried to invite Michael to the college party? I was watching the s1-e1 recording on youtube earlier

If I'm wrong again, you have my permission to slap me upside the head with a stick :nik:

Yup. You're right.

[Kc]

And, COOL! Great job everyone. Thanks for your help again! I'll send this off to the publisher.

[Gooer]

And, COOL! Great job everyone. Thanks for your help again! I'll send this off to the publisher.

Not a problem.

[tonyhind86]

I was getting ready to go to bed before listening to it. I was like "screw work, screw sleep" :nik: