Chapter 42-3 Chasing Ghosts

[zombie Danny]

Thank you cast and crew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ilove it.

[Jannit]

Okay, so I'm out of ideas. I've tried re-making the file so it's big enough for people to actually see but every time I try the words get smaller. Any ideas on how to make it readable?

[TacticalJHP]

Okay, so I'm out of ideas. I've tried re-making the file so it's big enough for people to actually see but every time I try the words get smaller. Any ideas on how to make it readable?

Maybe make the images separate from the Key? that should give a better resolution for the pictures and the words can be as big as you want.

Keep up the great work.

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

This is all i can think of....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meOCdyS7ORE

Oh, what has happened to Magneto? He looks terrible!

[Jannit]

Maybe make the images separate from the Key? that should give a better resolution for the pictures and the words can be as big as you want.

Keep up the great work.


Good idea and thanks! Hopefully this is better.

[Kc]

Good idea and thanks! Hopefully this is better.

You can feel free to make this part of the Wiki. That way you can update things as you go. Perhaps a section called "Symbols"

[Jannit]

You can feel free to make this part of the Wiki. That way you can update things as you go. Perhaps a section called "Symbols"

Sure, I'll do that a bit later today. If it's okay I'll just stick it in the zombie section.

[alexcadtek]

I know that it was INK that started Z day in the first place, he went crazy and killed his family and other people, so I think that he knew the only way to start z day was by getting an army. the toughest and the expendable. so prison sounds about correct. Now he just had to control them and he found out how to that. what way can he remember a formula? by tattooing it. I am sorry but I think he started the whole thing. I know that people say he was in jail or transport when it broke out, but that doesnt mean he couldnt leave something with a timer or pay someone to do something for him. INK letting puck go and riley, He does know what he is doing. I think he likes the hunt and he did all this on purpose so people can fear him, thats why he leaves some of them alive. I might be crazy but I just keep thinking this.

[Kc]

Sure, I'll do that a bit later today. If it's okay I'll just stick it in the zombie section.

No need. I created a whole new section for you. http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=The+Symbols

[tonyhind86]

With all this excitement about Ink, I hope this means we'll be seeing a lot more of him in upcoming chapters

[LiamKerrington]

I know that it was INK that started Z day in the first place, he went crazy and killed his family and other people, so I think that he knew the only way to start z day was by getting an army. the toughest and the expendable. so prison sounds about correct. Now he just had to control them and he found out how to that. what way can he remember a formula? by tattooing it. I am sorry but I think he started the whole thing. I know that people say he was in jail or transport when it broke out, but that doesnt mean he couldnt leave something with a timer or pay someone to do something for him. INK letting puck go and riley, He does know what he is doing. I think he likes the hunt and he did all this on purpose so people can fear him, thats why he leaves some of them alive. I might be crazy but I just keep thinking this.

And how would you explain zombies showing up in Hawaii at roughly the same time as in LA? And the mentioning of many hotspots when it all started?

Sure, we have no detailed information about when exactly each hotspot started. And it could be the case that Ink started it somehow-ish, and he accidentally hit some slow-turners who fled in all kinds of directions - even one with a plane to Hawaii ... So biomass from humans' body's south-pole-exits might have hit quickly moving propellers of all kinds big time ... But to me, although this might be logic in a way, this would sound too crazy - especially because this would mean that during the first hours of the outbreak several slow-turners must have hit the roads, trains, planes, and ships quickly enough to spread the z-agent accordingly; and from the first episode we know how quickly the major traffic broke down in reaction to the zombie-panic. So I prefer sticking with the idea that the z-agent has spread from a different source, while Ink was able to adjust the zombie-frail in his favor based on his skillsszzZZ in all kinds bio-engineering. And I feel inclined to politely disagree with you. :nik:

Best wishes!
Mad

[LiamKerrington]

Oh, what has happened to Magneto? He looks terrible!

He met the Man of Steel and failed to use his mutant-powers which broke him ...

[Zombie Yeti]

I may be way out there but the burning fish symbol possibly anti Christ or something

[Jannit]

I may be way out there but the burning fish symbol possibly anti Christ or something

Great idea! I hadn't thought of that one.

[Sin Angel]

KC has already said that they are dead.

I didn't say they're alive I said they might have died a slow and painful death since some zeds seem to play with their food.

[Sin Angel]

And how would you explain zombies showing up in Hawaii at roughly the same time as in LA? And the mentioning of many hotspots when it all started?

Sure, we have no detailed information about when exactly each hotspot started. And it could be the case that Ink started it somehow-ish, and he accidentally hit some slow-turners who fled in all kinds of directions - even one with a plane to Hawaii ... So biomass from humans' body's south-pole-exits might have hit quickly moving propellers of all kinds big time ... But to me, although this might be logic in a way, this would sound too crazy - especially because this would mean that during the first hours of the outbreak several slow-turners must have hit the roads, trains, planes, and ships quickly enough to spread the z-agent accordingly; and from the first episode we know how quickly the major traffic broke down in reaction to the zombie-panic. So I prefer sticking with the idea that the z-agent has spread from a different source, while Ink was able to adjust the zombie-frail in his favor based on his skillsszzZZ in all kinds bio-engineering. And I feel inclined to politely disagree with you. :nik:

Best wishes!
Mad

The right option more often is the simpler option, and Ink starting it is not the answer, so I'd have to agree with you Liam.

[Eviebae]

No need. I created a whole new section for you. http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=The+Symbols

How do we add meanings with documentation? For instance: 保护 (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%BF%9D%E6%8A%A4) is a compound word that is both a noun and a verb and is written in simplified Chinese. As a noun, it means protection and as a verb means to safeguard, to protect.

If written traditionally:保護 (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%BF%9D%E8%AD%B7), it is also a Japanese word that as a noun means protection, safeguard and as a verb means to shield.

Jannit's list excellent list is not editable. Do we add a numbered list?

[Eviebae]

#'s 7, 8 & 7 are all (http://www.voodooneworleans.com/damballah.php) one (http://www.white-magic-help.net/About_White_Magic/Voodoo_History_Basic_Principles_Background.html) veve (http://www.arcadia93.org/vodoun.html) for Damballah (http://www.voodooneworleans.com/damballah.php) Wedo

[scbubba]

It was Roberts.

Correct. His teeth are the same. He was just commenting on the contrast of the teeth against the color of his skin.

Ok. Good to know. No more beating that dead horse for me.....

So I'm thinking the behavior to get into the Tower and then when Mikey & crew arrive is Ink's way of not showing all his cards while trying to recon the people there. In other words, he didn't let them know what all he could do but he found out a lot about them.

Once again, we see Roberts either use restraint (only killed one person instead of going all Chuck Norris on the lot of them) or actually have refrained from killing with his own hands. From the known eyewitness accounts, how many people do we know Ink has killed since Z-day? Paul in the Tower and the red shirt gate operator at the Colony in Ch 36. Who else? Am I missing anyone else?

Sounds like he has either turned his minions on people or let the test subjects kill each other in all the other cases. Why the lack of personal involvement? Is that why he let Kalani, Riley, and Puck go? He had others with him that could have ended Skittles and CJ so the theory doesn't play out there. And even in the Tower in Ch 11, he ran off when threatened by four men armed only with a knife.

I'm not sure where I started going with this but it's turned into thinking more about who Roberts is. And it doesn't seem to be the hands dirty kind of guy. But he apparently got his hands really dirty before Z-day.....

Argh! My brain is sprained :britt:

[Jannit]

How do we add meanings with documentation? For instance: 保护 (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%BF%9D%E6%8A%A4) is a compound word that is both a noun and a verb and is written in simplified Chinese. As a noun, it means protection and as a verb means to safeguard, to protect.

If written traditionally:保護 (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%BF%9D%E8%AD%B7), it is also a Japanese word that as a noun means protection, safeguard and as a verb means to shield.

Jannit's list excellent list is not editable. Do we add a numbered list?

Sorry for the delay. I've got a format worked out and started but wont have time to upload it all until tomorrow. Life has gotten in the way.

ETA: Never mind. I threw up a draft so people can make changes if they like. It's missing stuff that is in the picture and I'll correct it tomorrow. G'night!

[Sin Angel]

Ok. Good to know. No more beating that dead horse for me.....

So I'm thinking the behavior to get into the Tower and then when Mikey & crew arrive is Ink's way of not showing all his cards while trying to recon the people there. In other words, he didn't let them know what all he could do but he found out a lot about them.

Once again, we see Roberts either use restraint (only killed one person instead of going all Chuck Norris on the lot of them) or actually have detain for killing with his own hands. From the known eyewitness accounts, how many people do we know Ink has killed since Z-day? Paul in the Tower and the red shirt gate operator at the Colony in Ch 36. Who else? Am I missing anyone else?

Sounds like he has either turned his minions on people or let the test subjects kill each other in all the other cases. Why the lack of personal involvement? Is that why he let Kalani, Riley, and Puck go? He had others with him that could have ended Skittles and CJ so the theory doesn't play out there. And even in the Tower in Ch 11, he ran off when threatened by four men armed only with a knife.

I'm not sure where I started going with this but it's turned into thinking more about who Roberts is. And it doesn't seem to be the hands dirty kind of guy. But he apparently got his hands really dirty before Z-day.....

Argh! My brain is sprained :britt:
Love the Chuck Norris reference!~

[Kc]

Sorry for the delay. I've got a format worked out and started but wont have time to upload it all until tomorrow. Life has gotten in the way.

ETA: Never mind. I threw up a draft so people can make changes if they like. It's missing stuff that is in the picture and I'll correct it tomorrow. G'night!

Would anyone want to help put together a table on the symbols page on the wiki? That way it's a little more organized like her original picture.

[Kc]

I didn't say they're alive I said they might have died a slow and painful death since some zeds seem to play with their food.

Naw, Carl and Robbins were pretty instantaneous. They didn't suffer.

[FunkyDung]

In all of the discussion of alchemy and the symbols, has hermeticism come up? Seems potentially relevant.

[Eviebae]

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Does this (http://voodoo.forourpla.net/loa/loko/) black symbol on a dark grey background :britt: (click on it to see it clearly) look like the symbols (#'s 2 & 4 on Jannit's awesome attachment) on Inks head? Alternate (http://www.hougansydney.com/voodoo-spirits.php) I'm not sure of the top of it (the s part which is sometimes a snake)

[Gooer]

And even in the Tower in Ch 11, he ran off when threatened by four men armed only with a knife.

Personally, i don't think Ink feels threatened by any of the survivors. In chapter 11, Ink laughed at them before he jumped out of the (2nd or 3rd?) floor. To me, that doesn't sound like he's threatened, it feels like he thinks its a game, and he is confident he will win.

[Gooer]

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Does this (http://voodoo.forourpla.net/loa/loko/) black symbol on a dark grey background :britt: (click on it to see it clearly) look like the symbols (#'s 2 & 4 on Jannit's awesome attachment) on Inks head? Alternate (http://www.hougansydney.com/voodoo-spirits.php) I'm not sure of the top of it (the s part which is sometimes a snake)

I'd say it was the one and same.

[7oddisdead]

2961
Does this (http://voodoo.forourpla.net/loa/loko/) black symbol on a dark grey background :britt: (click on it to see it clearly) look like the symbols (#'s 2 & 4 on Jannit's awesome attachment) on Inks head? Alternate (http://www.hougansydney.com/voodoo-spirits.php) I'm not sure of the top of it (the s part which is sometimes a snake)

wow, awesome find evie! ive been curious about that one! I need to go check the new wiki, but has anything come up on the heart design? I really like that design a lot. like tattoo like.

[Gooer]

I'm starting to see a lot of references to voodooism, "protection" and biology/chemistry in these tattoos....

[TacticalJHP]

I have some possibilities on some of the symbols.

It hit me earlier that a few of these sounded American Indian, and when looking at them in this light, i found a few matches. Some make sense, but but the others not so sure.

A fish on fire. Stands for plentiful fish, or many fish.
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Bird foot. Besides birds, it means good omen and convey authority... and there is always the link to the crows of this story.
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A three-lines rainbow with a five-lined fan beneath it. It means rain.
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This one i'm not sure about, and I was hesitant about adding it but When i saw it I instantly thought of the description, so I brought it here to be discussed.

[Jannit]

Would anyone want to help put together a table on the symbols page on the wiki? That way it's a little more organized like her original picture.

Is there a way to insert tables? I have the original in word but wasn't sure how to put it in.

[Footbutt]

i wonder if We're Alive was a TV show, would we be doing all of this research?
i think the audio drama makes this so much more fun. frustrating at times, yes, but TONS of fun.

[ZombieWildfire]

Hi guys,

I'm just catching up on all the forum posts. There is a whole lot to discuss after this episode. I actually had tears in my eyes listening to it.

I'm left with an image of Ink as a Games Master. He's constructed his individual playthings out of what he had available, then left them in the ring to let them fight it out amongst themselves until a few of the 'best' specimens survive.

Is he doing the same with the humans? I guess the question is, what's his intention. Is he just orchestrating all of this for his own amusement, or is there an ultimate goal?

[Jannit]

wow, awesome find evie! ive been curious about that one! I need to go check the new wiki, but has anything come up on the heart design? I really like that design a lot. like tattoo like.

Nothing yet, unfortunately.

[Footbutt]

In all of the discussion of alchemy and the symbols, has hermeticism come up? Seems potentially relevant.

looking into that reminds me of the scene in The 'Burbs where Art and Ray are looking into books on the Occult and Ray plugs his ears:

"I'm not going to listen to this. I'm not going to listen to this."Art: "Ray, your chanting. That's right here in the book."
Ray develops a cadance/chant.
Art, joing in: "I want to kill, everyone. Satan is good; Satan is our pal."

i'm gonna let you guys carry out the research.
i'm getting a little too freaked out by some of this stuff.
also, it's not good to do it on a work computer...

[Bullethead]

I guess the question is, what's his intention. Is he just orchestrating all of this for his own amusement, or is there an ultimate goal?

Sadly, I do not think there is an End Game for him...this is just his fun. IMO.

I'm very curious as to what Randy's End Game is however.

[Eviebae]

You know, someone pointed out that Ink might have let Puck live because he'd beaten the game. So, does that mean he is doing the same thing with the heroes as he is the zombies? Making it so that only the smartest and best are left alive?

Funny thing is, if you change the second Chinese character just a bit, it becomes "to choose."

The tattoos show how He sees Himself. There are Loas that are "hot" and appealed to when you need a revolution and, say, hack oppressors to bits. They are violent and not forgiving when you don't do what they want. That's what I'd expect him to want to embody if he'd started everything. Damballah is "cool/cold" and is supposed to be a benevolent figure. father/creator to mankind. He is supposed to protect humans.

The Loas aren't supposed to be Gods, they are supposed to be intermediary spirits we can understand and interact with. "Bondye" (Bon Eye from the French) is the big overarching God figure that is beyond comprehension.

Chilling zombie trivia. There is the Ghede family of Loas and they are in the family that are/deal with the dead. Baron Kriminal is one, and if he doesn't like your offerings, he's supposed to want to bite you and take a chunk. Sounds like zombie behavior to me.

[Sin Angel]

Naw, Carl and Robbins were pretty instantaneous. They didn't suffer.

Alright, thanks it just seemed like that way sounded a bit logical in my mind. I was just saying what I thought was plausible.

[Sin Angel]

i wonder if We're Alive was a TV show, would we be doing all of this research?
i think the audio drama makes this so much more fun. frustrating at times, yes, but TONS of fun.

I've actually researched things for a show before, so I would likely still be doing it trying to figure out the secrets behind the shows.

[Sin Angel]

Hi guys,

I'm just catching up on all the forum posts. There is a whole lot to discuss after this episode. I actually had tears in my eyes listening to it.

I'm left with an image of Ink as a Games Master. He's constructed his individual playthings out of what he had available, then left them in the ring to let them fight it out amongst themselves until a few of the 'best' specimens survive.

Is he doing the same with the humans? I guess the question is, what's his intention. Is he just orchestrating all of this for his own amusement, or is there an ultimate goal?

Is this a Hunger Games reference?

[ZombieWildfire]

Is this a Hunger Games reference?

Funnily enough, no, not intentionally. Though now you mention it...

[Jannit]

After looking through a number of the symbol meanings, it seems there are a large portion of them that relate to protection.

We've got:
2&4: Loko's mark
7&8. Damballah's mark
10. 保护
14. Bird foot
17. Eye of Horus
23. Damballah (alternate)

All of these symbols have a meaning that in one way or another relates to protection. Is Ink trying to protect himself or is he telling others to protect him? Why, if it is the latter, would zombies be able to understand such a diverse set of symbols? Could he be spreading his bets by appealing to any and all possible source of protection against the coming zombie apocalypse? This seems to imply he knew something was coming though he may not have been the source of it. Could he have been part of a conspiracy to start it or even possibly to prevent it?

So many questions!

[Sin Angel]

Funnily enough, no, not intentionally. Though now you mention it...

XD I'd say he's more like president snow though.

[Zombie Yeti]

After looking through a number of the symbol meanings, it seems there are a large portion of them that relate to protection.

We've got:
2&4: Loko's mark
7&8. Damballah's mark
10. 保护
14. Bird foot
17. Eye of Horus
23. Damballah (alternate)

All of these symbols have a meaning that in one way or another relates to protection. Is Ink trying to protect himself or is he telling others to protect him? Why, if it is the latter, would zombies be able to understand such a diverse set of symbols? Could he be spreading his bets by appealing to any and all possible source of protection against the coming zombie apocalypse? This seems to imply he knew something was coming though he may not have been the source of it. Could he have been part of a conspiracy to start it or even possibly to prevent it?

So many questions! look at hiroglyphics with the Egyptians or cave men and other civs. They used pics to communicate maybe ink is the zombie Rosetta Stone. And I know spelled hiroglyphics wrong.

[Jannit]

look at hiroglyphics with the Egyptians or cave men and other civs. They used pics to communicate maybe ink is the zombie Rosetta Stone. And I know spelled hiroglyphics wrong.


That's true. However if we can agree that ink is on the exceptional side when it comes to intelligence in zombies then how can we expect others would understand the symbols?

We've already seen that they can't interpret numbers anymore and those should be something they're familiar with in their human life.

[Footbutt]

And I know spelled hiroglyphics wrong.

Jiroglyphics.
...it's a soft "J".

[FenixArc]

Jiroglyphics.
...it's a soft "J".

Could be wrong, but at least in American English I've only ever seen it spelled "Hieroglyphics".

[TacticalJHP]

Could be wrong, but at least in American English I've only ever seen it spelled "Hieroglyphics".

Correct, as far as the american way of spelling it.

http://www.discoveringegypt.com/Egyptian-Hieroglyphic-Alphabet.html

[Eviebae]

That's true. However if we can agree that ink is on the exceptional side when it comes to intelligence in zombies then how can we expect others would understand the symbols?

We've already seen that they can't interpret numbers anymore and those should be something they're familiar with in their human life.

Couldn't Ink read numbers because he could read and input them in the keypad at the tower. Plus, he uses numbers on the Little One's. Randy could follow a list.

[Jannit]

Couldn't Ink read numbers because he could read and input them in the keypad at the tower. Plus, he uses numbers on the Little One's. Randy could follow a list.

Absolutely! My point is that he was the only one that we have encountered with that capability. We didn't see other zombies who were able to interpret symbols (numbers) that they should've been familiar with in life. I was wondering what the point of the markings was from a communication standpoint. Since other zombies don't seem to have the ability to recognize the numbers and interpret their significance I was saying that the idea of Ink's tattoos being used to have other zombies protect him was unlikely given their inability to recognize something as simple as numbers.

[alexcadtek]

And how would you explain zombies showing up in Hawaii at roughly the same time as in LA? And the mentioning of many hotspots when it all started?

Sure, we have no detailed information about when exactly each hotspot started. And it could be the case that Ink started it somehow-ish, and he accidentally hit some slow-turners who fled in all kinds of directions - even one with a plane to Hawaii ... So biomass from humans' body's south-pole-exits might have hit quickly moving propellers of all kinds big time ... But to me, although this might be logic in a way, this would sound too crazy - especially because this would mean that during the first hours of the outbreak several slow-turners must have hit the roads, trains, planes, and ships quickly enough to spread the z-agent accordingly; and from the first episode we know how quickly the major traffic broke down in reaction to the zombie-panic. So I prefer sticking with the idea that the z-agent has spread from a different source, while Ink was able to adjust the zombie-frail in his favor based on his skillsszzZZ in all kinds bio-engineering. And I feel inclined to politely disagree with you. :nik:

Best wishes!
Mad

I see your point, but I just think that there is to much orchestrated for him, how was he so quick to be able to figure out that he can manipulate zombies when he himself was one. Also he had all these tattoo's that clearly mean something, I really see your point, it is more realistic. I like that you made me see this in another way but I just feel that he did have something to do with it. But then again you are correct about the other hotspots, how do we know that there are not many others like INK in other states. But I do want to ask you. why is it that in the city where there are so many people ( LA ) he is the only person that was that smart, seems hard to belive that out of all los Angeles there where no more smart people like him that turned. Why has the group not ran in to more like him, you would think there would be at least a few more z's like that. What do you think?
Thanks!

[alexcadtek]

I think Michael will take Victor with him to kill INK and guess what. Victor is going to kill him! MCUCHO MACHO! oh and I dont think Burt or Riley will leave now. also they might have datu help them since he is already infected. what you guys think?

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

Madames et messieures,

I believe that we have not seen Ink's most interesting tattoo yet.

http://momtothescreamingmasses.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451ba6569e201901cc6f9b8970b-500wi

[FallingDown]

Firstly, I have to say what an amazing episode. Will really miss the talk and priceless laughs between Puck,Muldoon,Robbins and Carl. I laughed out loud with the comment at the start...hey think thin..lol and Puck and his comments on the non lethal weapons. The emotion between Muldoon and Robbins was amazing and the mixture of fear was outstanding. I think the touches of Puck wanting to leave when they had a man down really showed the severity of the situation. Bravo. Was quite depressing to keep hearing them say that they would leave..but didn't. I have listened to it 3 or 4 times now.

I did think a few things. Since there are 2 buildings, I am guessing they are duplicates, one for men, one for women. Puck mentioned there was 20 something odd rooms. Now I realize not all will produce these special zombies, but it does imply there is a similar number in the women's block. I wonder was Roberts breeding little ones? Was he doing similar tests in the women's block and cross breeding leading to a whole new species. That might account for the little ones, well, being little. Also judging by the speed of change I guess it's fair to assume the typical 9 months cycle would be shortened. So he gets all these types to use by injecting them and deploys them. However like some type of nazi experiment, the super versions are put into a breeding Programme.

As for the colony, they are in deep trouble. With Puck badly injured, the military heroes dead, Saul a potential time bomb, one .50 cal down...only one close range matagun, limited fuel and what looks like increasingly scarce ammo, it is not looking good. I guess they still have the advantage of the chopper and isn't there another .50 cal....

I would like to thank the cast and crew...the acting first class, the writing and story is amazing ..Oscar material...when I think back on everyone who has been killed, it's certainly no Hollywood Ending. It's as bleak as the walking dead.

Also I am going to be lost when this ends.....okay now I am really depressed...;)

[Gooer]

I think Michael will take Victor with him to kill INK and guess what. Victor is going to kill him! MCUCHO MACHO! oh and I dont think Burt or Riley will leave now. also they might have datu help them since he is already infected. what you guys think?

Na, Michael will kill him... And Burt and Riley will not give up the hunt, they feel Scratch is nearly as bad a problem as Ink is.

[alexcadtek]

Na, Michael will kill him... And Burt and Riley will not give up the hunt, they feel Scratch is nearly as bad a problem as Ink is.

NA! I actually think INK will be killed but it wont be Michael. he will get trapped or Hurt in the battle and then someone will come and save him and kill INK. VICTOR! Burt and Riley, I dont think they will leave and if they do then Michael and I think Victor and Saul will be hunting INK and Burt and Riley hunting Scratch, I think CJ would have a problem with having two teams out hunting other people.
what do you think about Datu? you think he will kill INK. he could sacrafice him self for the group?

[Gooer]

NA! I actually think INK will be killed but it wont be Michael. he will get trapped or Hurt in the battle and then someone will come and save him and kill INK. VICTOR! Burt and Riley, I dont think they will leave and if they do then Michael and I think Victor and Saul will be hunting INK and Burt and Riley hunting Scratch, I think CJ would have a problem with having two teams out hunting other people.
what do you think about Datu? you think he will kill INK. he could sacrafice him self for the group?

Maybe Michael will die before it ends..... And Datu, i think he will do something important, just before he dies, although who knows what....

[7oddisdead]

I see your point, but I just think that there is to much orchestrated for him, how was he so quick to be able to figure out that he can manipulate zombies when he himself was one. Also he had all these tattoo's that clearly mean something, I really see your point, it is more realistic. I like that you made me see this in another way but I just feel that he did have something to do with it. But then again you are correct about the other hotspots, how do we know that there are not many others like INK in other states. But I do want to ask you. why is it that in the city where there are so many people ( LA ) he is the only person that was that smart, seems hard to belive that out of all los Angeles there where no more smart people like him that turned. Why has the group not ran in to more like him, you would think there would be at least a few more z's like that. What do you think?
Thanks!


this makes absolute sense to me. very well said, the only issue with it is, it forces people to think bigger than a hole in the ground.

[Jannit]

this makes absolute sense to me. very well said, the only issue with it is, it forces people to think bigger than a hole in the ground.

We've got to keep it to the size of a hole in the ground size or our :tinfoil: won't protect us!

[Red Shirt]

So, I'm all tore up from listening to the episode and then I come in and see the Fort Irwin Kings of Comedy all lined up smiling like that.....

As someone else has already said: best and worst episode so far. I was doing ok until Robbins started trying to get Muldoon. And then someone must have started cutting onions in my truck or something cuz I had eye leaks.

Very well done! Tony Rey, Shaun Lewin, Christian Vieira: it was great hearing your voices on the show. Your characters are at the top of the list for me and a lot of others. Thank you!!!

Yeah... I re-listened to the episode for taking notes on something or other that I can't even recall right now... I listened in Sonic Visualizer, y'know, just in case. Between my note taking and the visuals, I was paying a great deal of attention.

Spoilered for Maudlin & Depressing:
I mentioned my CLS training and that I have never needed to use it in combat... I have no illusions that anything that I experienced will ever compare to what the boots on ground went through... but I've heard the stories from the guys that came back. The stories that Soldiers only tell other Soldiers.
In Kuwait, the Mortuary Affairs branch had their office next to mine. Occasionally, their casualty reports would get sent to our printer and I would need to bring them over. Often they were scans of hand written reports that were photocopied with the ID card of the soldier. I sat in on the morning logistics brief which included the "Angel Flight" report. The time and number of soldiers that were getting sent home to for the very last time... I probably never met any of them... but from those reports, I remember their faces. This episode brought that back. It really got to me. Still haven't written or posted whatever it was I was taking notes for.

Kc, Tony Rey, Shaun Lewin, Christian Vieira and Brett Newton... Bravo. I've never been there, but I think you got it right.

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It makes sense to me that he could have intelligence trials too.

Yup. My thinking was that the arena was more that just a playground for his horde, it also served as training and selection for candidates.

[Jannit]

Yup. My thinking was that the arena was more that just a playground for his horde, it also served as training and selection for candidates.

Given that Arrow Head came from the prison wouldn't it make sense for the experiments that Ink was doing there must have coincided with what he was doing at the arena. Perhaps the two sites were just different pieces of the puzzle? One was a canteen (ew!) and the other was the laboratory.

[FunkyDung]

I've been doing a bit of wandering around on the net, and a few ideas keep bumping into each other, but I haven't been able to pull out anything solid. The following are some disconnected bits and pieces that hopefully someone can help me connect. I apologize if this ground has already been covered, but I haven't had time to read all the messages in this lengthy thread.

Foremost among the ideas that frequently occur in my searches is hermeticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism). From Wikipedia:


"Much of the importance of Hermeticism arises from its connection with the development of science during the time from 1300 to 1600 A.D. The prominence that it gave to the idea of influencing or controlling nature led many scientists to look to magic and its allied arts (e.g., alchemy, astrology) which, it was thought, could put Nature to the test by means of experiments.Consequently it was the practical aspects of Hermetic writings that attracted the attention of scientists."

If memory serves, the fellas at We're Alive Fancast mentioned Golden Dawn in relation to one of the symbols. Interestingly, Golden Dawn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn) gets a mention in the article on Hermeticism (as does Rosicrucianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism)). Someone should dig further into this. The cipher manuscripts of the Golden Dawn seem particularly relevant with respect to Ink's writings.

Hermetic teachings refer to three parts of the wisdom of the whole universe: alchemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy), astrology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology), and theurgy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theurgy).

Other topics that come up are aspects of esotericism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esotericism) and theosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy).

Someone mentioned that Ink may have an image of a benzene molecule. Interestingly, benzene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene) as a tie to occult and alchemical symbolism. The fellow who discovered the ring structure of benzene said that the idea came to him in a daydream of an uroboros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros), a snake eating its own tail. Snakes and serpents show up in countless mythologies.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_%28symbolism%29)
Lastly, I think the Borromean rings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borromean_rings) on Angel's ring should be looked into. I have a sneaky suspicion that the Family has some connection to Ink and his mystery cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_esotericism).

Well, it's quite late here, so I should hit the hay. I hope this helps someone move the symbol and story investigations along. :)

[Red Shirt]

wow, awesome find evie! ive been curious about that one! I need to go check the new wiki, but has anything come up on the heart design? I really like that design a lot. like tattoo like.

That would be the Veve for Erzulie, I talk briefly about her HERE (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?3310-quot-Ink-quot-the-origin-and-meaning-of-his-tattoos&p=62304&viewfull=1#post62304).


If there's anything I missed, please let me know (which is probably a lot).

The mini Rosetta Stone that Kc himself provided (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?3310-quot-Ink-quot-the-origin-and-meaning-of-his-tattoos/page5&p=62029#post62029).

And another molecule: To the left of the sun icon and above the molecule chain. Might be an isomer of Hydrogenated Cyclopentane.
(See the above Erzulie link, there's a highlighted picture in that same post.)

A few things I'd like to throw out there again are:

Do the positions of the tattoos have meaning? (IE: Chi Meridians, acupuncture/pressure points.)
Handiness? The Papa Legba tattoo on the right hand, does that have meaning?
Fading and seemingly overlapping tattoos of the chemical chains. Does that mean something? Is it meant to be representative of complex molecule chains rather than the "simple" Hydrocarbons I think they might be?


Alright, I managed to shake of the funk I was in and I thing I might have nailed something significant to the wall:

Test Subject #2, George Armstrong, 53. Inmate conflict. Doped with Folistatin and Stanozolol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanozolol).
(You may note that Puck repeated himself, pronouncing it two different ways. Maybe to be sure we got the spelling right?)

Stanozolol is a synthetic anabolic steroid derived from Dihydrotestosterone.
(You'll need to click on the images, black lines on a clear background.)

This is Stanozolol:
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This is Dihydrotestosterone:
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Look familiar yet? It should, Dihydrotestosterone looks like the tattoo on the back of his hand.

Now, Stanozolol chemistry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanozolol#Chemistry) is a bit vague, but it is said that: "The pyrazole ring in stanozolol can be prepared from oxymetholone by the condensation of a keto-aldehyde with hydrazine."
The Pyrazole ring is the HN/N pentagon on the left side of the Stanozolol. It looks like this:
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Now like I said, I'm not clear on the chemistry, but I think it means that Stanozolol is synthesized from Oxymetholone By building a Pyrazole ring on one end.
Oxymetholone loks like this:
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That looks remarkably like the tattoo on the right side of his skull.... and that Hydrogenated Cyclopentane isomer I mentioned above? It's actually probably a Pyrazole ring. The synthesis of Pyrazoles mention de-hydrogenation. (The removal of that little forked tail.)

The tattoos on his body are describing the synthesizing of one of the chemicals that he is using in his experiments. Stanozolol.


Boom baby. I still got it. Maybe.

[7oddisdead]

And look at that...red wins the internet again.

that also reminds me. Everyone keeps calling it the eye of horus, when in fact its reversed. Making it the eye of thoth. I think I said that in this thread but it slipped down the cracks

[LiamKerrington]

I see your point, but I just think that there is to much orchestrated for him, how was he so quick to be able to figure out that he can manipulate zombies when he himself was one. Also he had all these tattoo's that clearly mean something, I really see your point, it is more realistic. I like that you made me see this in another way but I just feel that he did have something to do with it. But then again you are correct about the other hotspots, how do we know that there are not many others like INK in other states. But I do want to ask you. why is it that in the city where there are so many people ( LA ) he is the only person that was that smart, seems hard to belive that out of all los Angeles there where no more smart people like him that turned. Why has the group not ran in to more like him, you would think there would be at least a few more z's like that. What do you think?
Thanks!

Hey!

Those are very, very good questions. Here are my takes on them:

As for how Ink realizes his Alpha Status: We know that zombs do not attack each other in general. According to Skittles there are exceptions which include special zombs, but this does not change the general rule. Especially because we know it: most of the times zombs hunt in packs or appear in huge numbers attacking survivors; and except for #7 attacking a regular at ground zero we don't have a single eye report speaking of zombs attacking zombs. When Ink became one of them and got out of the van, the zombs did not attack him either. And they also seemed to acknowledge his alpha-status. So I would say that that might be the earliest moment at which he has realized his power ober other zeehs, if it has not been the moment when them regulars stopped damahing the van he was in.

As for other intelligent zombs: cunning we had right from the beginning even with regulars. Was it in the garage of the Tower, when one zomb played hide and seek with Angel and Saul in order to avoid being shot? Or was this on their first scavenge run? Then Burt has mentioned the Smart Ones and has told Saul and Angel what makes them more dangerous. This gets validatet or verified by Skittles, who has spoken about them being around book stores, who have been the nearly worst nightmares. Then we have Randy, whi seems to be a very smart one as well. Ink is outstanding. Already in life he was outstanding as a scientist; and his exceptional brainsszzZZ still makes the difference.

As for why the survivors have not met more smart zombs: This is actually the same number-issue as with normal zeehs: at the time of the zombocalypse
LA had roughly 3 to 3.5 million inhabitants and employees in town. But there were no more then a couple of thousands of zombs right from the beginning, because mostly them zeehs did kill their victims, and only few made it to become zeehs. Also it is safe to assume that police and military services might have killed at least some of them zeehs in the beginning. Just remember how deserted the streets were already when Michael, Angel, and Saul left the base in order to get to the Tower. That was like hours after zombocalypse struck; and in a place with hundreds of thousands up to millions of potential zeehs this should be striking. And the deserted streets and random encounters with zeehs was and is pretty much the rule in the WA Story; this would only change, when the survivors have come very close to certain spots - the Arena and the Hospital, that's it. Considering these rough estimates I tend to assume that the fraction of smart ones within the number of all zombs might be similar low as with the number of really smart people in the average human society.

So still: these are simplifying assessments mostly based in what we actually know from the show. That's why I still lean towards Ink and his zombs adapting towards a major change in the ecology rather than having started it all. I may be wrong, though.

And all this with the tiny iPhone display ...

Best wishes!
Liam

edit:
P.S.: I remember Kc having mentioned something along this line on the WA Fancast - it all started at Ground Zero, and because none survived at what happened there it will remain a mystery how exactly it all started. I think this leaves some room for speculations whether Ink has started the Ground Zero situation, or someone/-thing else. Against Ink is to be mentioned: at the time Ground Zero happened Ink was in custody already for some time - at least enough time for having received the tatoos in jail; so whatever happened there at Ground Zero, Ink must have had some people assisting him doing so. So - is he kind of a a leader terrorist, a cultist, or a solitary madman?

[YetAnotherBloodyCheek]

...
P.S.: I remember Kc having mentioned something along this line on the WA Fancast - it all started at Ground Zero, and because none survived at what happened there it will remain a mystery how exactly it all started. I think this leaves some room for speculations whether Ink has started the Ground Zero situation, or someone/-thing else. Against Ink is to be mentioned: at the time Ground Zero happened Ink was in custody already for some time - at least enough time for having received the tatoos in jail; so whatever happened there at Ground Zero, Ink must have had some people assisting him doing so. So - is he kind of a a leader terrorist, a cultist, or a solitary madman?

Nowadays, if We're alive were a Hollywood product, the ideal solution would be to solve this myth in a prequel series (of movies). By the way, why would somebody zombify the whole world when there is not admiration, recognition, fear to receive from rapidly diminishing mankind? But well, on the other hand, creating chaos can be a motivation...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmkRi_tr9c

[Gooer]

And look at that...red wins the internet again.

that also reminds me. Everyone keeps calling it the eye of horus, when in fact its reversed. Making it the eye of thoth. I think I said that in this thread but it slipped down the cracks

When i type in either Eye of Thoth or Eye of Horus, they both come up with the same image of the Wedjat.

Unrelated, i found a fairly interesting image that shows that each piece of the Wedjat relates to the senses of the human body....

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[7oddisdead]

Well shit now I'm confused....

maybe this'll help. I need sleep, but I skimmed it. No NSA material here.

http://www.eyeofthemagi.com/read_more.html

[tonyhind86]

All these symbols. Where's Professor Robert Langdon when we need him? :nik:

[Grognaurd]

Ugh, the problem is that relatively simple designs can be used by many different cultures to mean different things. Take 14 for example. The birds foot. Could be a song birds foot. Three toes in front and one behind. This facilitates their ability to perch on a branch and sing. So, a peaceful songbird. Raptors (hawk, owl, eagle,eyc) have talons and are built to grab prey. So, they look different. But, maybe it is not a pretty songbird singing about love. Maybe it is a carrion crow...

But, forget birds, maybe it is a rune, simple straight lines, easy to cut. Oh, wait, it is also an alchemical symbol for brimstone. Violence and war and hell. To further exploit that, some groups also consider it a broken cross and emphasize the satanic. Oh, but wait, in the 60s people drew a circle around it and called it a peace symbol.

So, what the heck does it mean to ink?

Now we get to some of the more complicated ones. That three ring chemical is not in the testosterone family. Testosterone has five rings. Unless it is supposed to be??? Are the symbols correct? There has been some liberty taken with previous artwork. The tricyclics are a class of drugs that can be old school anti-depresents and anti-psychotics. Also, anti-histamine. The photo is not awesome, so it is hard to go after the excruciating detail. Worse, we also have to get into the "handedness" of the molecule. Like scissors. A right hand drug might do great things and the left handed version sucks...

[FunkyDung]

Ugh, the problem is that relatively simple designs can be used by many different cultures to mean different things.

This is true. That is why I suggest looking for intersections of meanings. IOW, look for symbols that appear together in a common context and find the meaning for each that's appropriate for that context. For instance, Symbol X might mean "protection" in one context, but "war" in another, while Symbol Y could mean "strength" in one and "subjugation" in another, but when they appear together they unambiguously take on the darker meanings.

[Eviebae]

You know why I'm enjoying looking into the symbols so much? Besides the fun of a puzzle. I feel like there's going to be something there when I figure it out. Lost had some excellent puzzle pieces; the puzzle ended up going to TV-land BS. So many of the images are Voodoo related and Voodoo is where the first idea of a zombie came from; I'm expecting it to make sense. It could be a red herring. Ink could have been making himself look crazy for the court. The tattooist could have decided on some or all of the images. It could be that it was something in the ink they used that was important. Whatever, I don't feel like I'm wasting my time story-wise looking into it.

[Grognaurd]

Having fun is the key to the puzzle. I just do not know how literal they are and it is a big jump from having difficulty with a four digit code on a key pad to deciphering obscure symbols and complex organics. Did Ink really have enough of his shit together to create Arrow Head from Austin McKibbon and all the complex locks of the jail and then run into difficulty with the four digit code at the Tower?

Another bit of frustration is that are we actually given first and last name of the prisoners held in solitaire with the exception of one -- Cohen. I have to relisten to this. Who the hell is trying to protect Cohen by omitting his proper name from the journal entry that we are now hearing...

[TacticalJHP]

Another bit of frustration is that are we actually given first and last name of the prisoners held in solitaire with the exception of one -- Cohen. I have to relisten to this. Who the hell is trying to protect Cohen by omitting his proper name from the journal entry that we are now hearing...

Clarance Cohen. Carl says his name about 14:18 in the episode.

[Red Shirt]

Now we get to some of the more complicated ones. That three ring chemical is not in the testosterone family. Testosterone has five rings. Unless it is supposed to be??? Are the symbols correct? There has been some liberty taken with previous artwork. The tricyclics are a class of drugs that can be old school anti-depresents and anti-psychotics. Also, anti-histamine. The photo is not awesome, so it is hard to go after the excruciating detail. Worse, we also have to get into the "handedness" of the molecule. Like scissors. A right hand drug might do great things and the left handed version sucks...

Despite the fading and overlapping of some of the tattoos (mentioned below) the three rings seem to be cohesive enough to stand alone. My initial suspicions are that it is a (Hydrogenated Isomer of) Anthracene, a coal tar derivative. When I first looked into it, it seemed to be a stub, but it is worth mentioning again as Jannit suggests (http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/showthread.php?5179-Chapter-42-3-Chasing-Ghosts&p=72180&viewfull=1#post72180) a possible meaning for the four line "x" or "star" as being Salammoniac, a mineral that is known to grow around volcanic vents via volcanic sublimation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_sublimate). Now, it has also been suggested that the star could be of Voodoo origin, but with Anthracene and the likely possibility for alchemical sulfur being represented in the tattoos, (Native sulfur can also form at vents via volcanic sublimation) not to mention the Inglewood cracks and haze, it seems there's a lot of subterranean petrochemistry going on here.

One of several trails of my "research" started to go down the path of psychoactive pharmaceuticals ... I haven't gotten into it much yet, but because it is all hormonally related; body and brain chemistry, many of the hormones and the drugs that affect them look diagrammatically and chemically similar and are in some ways linked in some cases. Weather they are linked in our context remains to be seen. With this in mind, I am led to the possibility that the symbol for salt might actually be theta, in relation to theta brain waves and altered brain states.

As for the photo, the one thing that stymies me is the seeming overlapping and fading of the chemical diagrams... it is connected? Are the molecules represented as we see them or are they folded back on themselves and are more complicated than we can see?

(I tried to find the Periodic Table of Videos mention of handiness, but couldn't find it.)

[Th3_T3ch]

Had to do a bit of re-listening... like many episodes from past seasons, but I've come to a conclusion. I don't believe anyone has said it, Ink has been doing this for nearly a YEAR! All the testing and planning. The little ones have been around since mid-july (that we know of at least), the behemoths since July 2nd. Runners have been around since the first gas mission with Burt, Saul, and Lizzy (Also the first time we see Roberts).
Conclusion- Ink has been planning this for a while. The Arena was entertainment, Radon was his supply closet for chemicals (Follistatin, Somatropin, etc.), Cain General was where he made the little ones, The Jail was where he did research and experimenting. Ink tested chemicals on the inmates before capturing survivors (children most likely) to make into his soliders. The behemouths that the survivors find first are the experiments that worked out. Ink brought them out of the Jail to aid him, same with any other types. Randy was a happy find for Roberts.
Since Randy was in more control of himself, Roberts uses him to get specific things from Radon, while having the building guarded by some little ones.

I missed it the first listen, but caught it the second, Robins tries one of the doors in the jail that isn't locked but he can't open, He is about to say something, but doesn't get a chance. I'm guessing that Roberts was in that room. My evidence is Roberts having closed the exit gates TWICE! Even if Roberts wasn't in that room he was still watching the Jail, meaning that the Jail isn't a place of failed experiments, but a proving ground for the strongest zombies. Fuzzy (the hairy bastard who killed Karl) was promising for Roberts, but Puck ended that.

Finally, Puck lived because Roberts didn't intend on any of the Soliders getting out. When Puck did and took out one of the strongest, Roberts saw it as a way to quicken the process of thining out the group.

[EpiEpee]

Had to do a bit of re-listening... like many episodes from past seasons, but I've come to a conclusion. I don't believe anyone has said it, Ink has been doing this for nearly a YEAR! All the testing and planning. The little ones have been around since mid-july (that we know of at least), the behemoths since July 2nd. Runners have been around since the first gas mission with Burt, Saul, and Lizzy (Also the first time we see Roberts).
Conclusion- Ink has been planning this for a while. The Arena was entertainment, Radon was his supply closet for chemicals (Follistatin, Somatropin, etc.), Cain General was where he made the little ones, The Jail was where he did research and experimenting. Ink tested chemicals on the inmates before capturing survivors (children most likely) to make into his soliders. The behemouths that the survivors find first are the experiments that worked out. Ink brought them out of the Jail to aid him, same with any other types. Randy was a happy find for Roberts.
Since Randy was in more control of himself, Roberts uses him to get specific things from Radon, while having the building guarded by some little ones.

I missed it the first listen, but caught it the second, Robins tries one of the doors in the jail that isn't locked but he can't open, He is about to say something, but doesn't get a chance. I'm guessing that Roberts was in that room. My evidence is Roberts having closed the exit gates TWICE! Even if Roberts wasn't in that room he was still watching the Jail, meaning that the Jail isn't a place of failed experiments, but a proving ground for the strongest zombies. Fuzzy (the hairy bastard who killed Karl) was promising for Roberts, but Puck ended that.

Finally, Puck lived because Roberts didn't intend on any of the Soliders getting out. When Puck did and took out one of the strongest, Roberts saw it as a way to quicken the process of thining out the group.

This just made me think back to something that was said back at Irwin, about how people were having a hard time killing people they knew who had turned. I think that was probably some serious foreshadowing, and we're seeing part of that play out with Michael and Datu, and Michael and Randy.

I'm glad we don't have anyone missing kids that we know of (stateside at least) If we did still have unaccounted for kids, the discovery of how exactly the little ones were made could get extra awful extra fast.

[7oddisdead]

Robbins couldn't open the door because of all the stuff stacked against it. The inmates built a barricade at that door. When they entered the room another way they said this.

[Grognaurd]

Clarance Cohen. Carl says his name about 14:18 in the episode.

Thanks...

Does anyone remember if Carl was a transfer from Denver? Robbins and Muldoon were not from Ft Irwin, Puck was. The Beheomoth was more interested in raging against the gun truck than killing him and Ink left him alone, too. So, is that just random chance or is there something differentiates Puck from those three?

Already infected ( slow turner, non-turner, etc ) not infected, family, cult, political party, lol, etc.

It does nag at me that the biters are known for enhanced sense of smell and the gun truck is new. It was a replacement for the soldiers truck which had the tires melted. That truck may have even been from Dunbar and used by Saul and Victor for the last nine months. Lots of time to sweat in it...

[Witch_Doctor]

Just thought of something. Seems to be a small bit a parallel between how Puck thinks Ink is and how dangerous Durai thinks Ink is. Puck returns from the jail and tells Michael that Ink must be stopped or he'll wipe out all of them

According to Scratch (Mark of the Beast), while looking at #5's arm, she says that Durai knows what's to come. Did he know Ink or someone familiar to Ink, pr-outbreak. Someone transitioning from jail to prison?

[Litmaster]

Yeah witch doctor, I agree with your assessment. Certainly, based on their bombing of the arena, the mallers clearly saw Ink and company as being a significant threat, and had far more Intel on what the zeds were up to then our heroes did. I wonder what Scratch knows about Ink that Michael and CJ do not at this point?

[tonyhind86]

Remember Burt when the Mallers were attacking the tower? He said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". How ironic would it be if the Tower survivors had to form a partnership with Scratch to destroy Ink and co.

[Grognaurd]

Remember Burt when the Mallers were attacking the tower? He said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". How ironic would it be if the Tower survivors had to form a partnership with Scratch to destroy Ink and co.


Yeah witch doctor, I agree with your assessment. Certainly, based on their bombing of the arena, the mallers clearly saw Ink and company as being a significant threat, and had far more Intel on what the zeds were up to then our heroes did. I wonder what Scratch knows about Ink that Michael and CJ do not at this point?


Just thought of something. Seems to be a small bit a parallel between how Puck thinks Ink is and how dangerous Durai thinks Ink is. Puck returns from the jail and tells Michael that Ink must be stopped or he'll wipe out all of them

According to Scratch (Mark of the Beast), while looking at #5's arm, she says that Durai knows what's to come. Did he know Ink or someone familiar to Ink, pr-outbreak. Someone transitioning from jail to prison?

I have been entertaining those thoughts. Dont Latch and Scratch discuss that Durai has plans for those tankers while he is spying on them? That is only 7 to 10 days into the outbreak. I know there is a prejudice to put that event closer to the party, but those things are designed for a week, not months. Since they pick up Lady, it is still close to the initial outbreak. Later, Lizzy even remarks that the sweat jars were three weeks worth of work when Kelly is looking for stolen items in Lizzy's room. So, it seems like a week into the outbreak Durai is looking to fire bomb someone...

[Witch_Doctor]

remember burt when the mallers were attacking the tower? He said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". How ironic would it be if the tower survivors had to form a partnership with scratch to destroy ink and co.



Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[scbubba]

Personally, i don't think Ink feels threatened by any of the survivors. In chapter 11, Ink laughed at them before he jumped out of the (2nd or 3rd?) floor. To me, that doesn't sound like he's threatened, it feels like he thinks its a game, and he is confident he will win.

No, I'm with you. I didn't mean that Ink felt threatened I'm just saying that he was faced with 4 men armed onlywith a knife and empty rifles. Shouldn't have been a challenge for him but he took off. I agree that it is probably a "game" to him. One he feels very confident of winning....

He's mostly been toying with the Tower and the Colony through most of the show. At least that's what I think we are learning from this most recent Chapter.

[scbubba]

Having fun is the key to the puzzle. I just do not know how literal they are and it is a big jump from having difficulty with a four digit code on a key pad to deciphering obscure symbols and complex organics. Did Ink really have enough of his shit together to create Arrow Head from Austin McKibbon and all the complex locks of the jail and then run into difficulty with the four digit code at the Tower?

Another bit of frustration is that are we actually given first and last name of the prisoners held in solitaire with the exception of one -- Cohen. I have to relisten to this. Who the hell is trying to protect Cohen by omitting his proper name from the journal entry that we are now hearing...

Saw this mentioned about Ink a couple of times around here lately. I'm not really sure he had trouble with the keypad at the Tower. I think he was playing down the things he could do. Ink wanted intel on the Tower and the people there. He didn't want to just wipe them out at that point.

Some other posts I made on this subject are floating around the forums but I think Ink was playing dumb back in the encounter of Ch 11. He's been as smart as he is in Ch 42 all along.....

[scbubba]

I have been entertaining those thoughts. Dont Latch and Scratch discuss that Durai has plans for those tankers while he is spying on them? That is only 7 to 10 days into the outbreak. I know there is a prejudice to put that event closer to the party, but those things are designed for a week, not months. Since they pick up Lady, it is still close to the initial outbreak. Later, Lizzy even remarks that the sweat jars were three weeks worth of work when Kelly is looking for stolen items in Lizzy's room. So, it seems like a week into the outbreak Durai is looking to fire bomb someone...

That's a very good point about the timing. I hadn't thought about Durai having an interest in Ink directly just in wanting to pour gasoline down the fire ant mound.

There's still a lot of ambiguity around the statements made, though. Maybe Durai was just hoarding and came up with the plan to firebomb the arena later. Maybe Scratch's "he knows what's to come" remark was about the coming bombing of the arena. But then again, maybe it wasn't.....

It's one of the things I love about how Kc has put this together. We have a lot of data points but we haven't put them together into a lot of real information yet. In some cases, we don't have enough pieces. In other places, we probably have extra pieces that are of no real use and only confuse.

I love this show!!!!

[Footbutt]

a little Bible stuff that's creepily sounding close to the story...



Revelation 13
The Beast out of the Earth
14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.



i know it seems VERY unlikely for 'religious stuff' to enter the story, but the Chapter "Mark of the Beast" keeps coming to mind. The Bible is a great source for content, albeit out of context, but still great for parallels.

i think there are people in the story that knew what was going to happen.
Durai, i'm now thinking, was one of them.

[Gnex]

a little Bible stuff that's creepily sounding close to the story...



i know it seems VERY unlikely for 'religious stuff' to enter the story, but the Chapter "Mark of the Beast" keeps coming to mind. The Bible is a great source for content, albeit out of context, but still great for parallels.

i think there are people in the story that knew what was going to happen.
Durai, i'm now thinking, was one of them.

If Durai knew what was going on..... Would that mean that Scratch likely also knows???

[Footbutt]

If Durai knew what was going on..... Would that mean that Scratch likely also knows???

and you know... now i'm going back over every Scratch/Durai scene in my head.
When Durai was talking with Pegs over the radio right before the The War he mentions "You're trying to be reasonable? Well, now, perhaps we can..." but since Scratch told Kalani to fire at the ground when given a certain signal, we never saw Durai's plan carried out.
Was there something he was planning that was 'less sinister'?
or was his New Colony idea of control his plan all along? the Tower was just his first setback.

[Storm]

a little Bible stuff that's creepily sounding close to the story...


i know it seems VERY unlikely for 'religious stuff' to enter the story, but the Chapter "Mark of the Beast" keeps coming to mind. The Bible is a great source for content, albeit out of context, but still great for parallels.

i think there are people in the story that knew what was going to happen.
Durai, i'm now thinking, was one of them.

Yeah, lots of parallels... Even had to cities blown up... A fallen angel... Michael... Not to forget old Scratch :)
...I should dig up the topics that talks about these Things, I really enjoyed reading them, maybe a second read brings more into the light.

[alexcadtek]

Hey!

Those are very, very good questions. Here are my takes on them:

As for how Ink realizes his Alpha Status: We know that zombs do not attack each other in general. According to Skittles there are exceptions which include special zombs, but this does not change the general rule. Especially because we know it: most of the times zombs hunt in packs or appear in huge numbers attacking survivors; and except for #7 attacking a regular at ground zero we don't have a single eye report speaking of zombs attacking zombs. When Ink became one of them and got out of the van, the zombs did not attack him either. And they also seemed to acknowledge his alpha-status. So I would say that that might be the earliest moment at which he has realized his power ober other zeehs, if it has not been the moment when them regulars stopped damahing the van he was in.

As for other intelligent zombs: cunning we had right from the beginning even with regulars. Was it in the garage of the Tower, when one zomb played hide and seek with Angel and Saul in order to avoid being shot? Or was this on their first scavenge run? Then Burt has mentioned the Smart Ones and has told Saul and Angel what makes them more dangerous. This gets validatet or verified by Skittles, who has spoken about them being around book stores, who have been the nearly worst nightmares. Then we have Randy, whi seems to be a very smart one as well. Ink is outstanding. Already in life he was outstanding as a scientist; and his exceptional brainsszzZZ still makes the difference.

As for why the survivors have not met more smart zombs: This is actually the same number-issue as with normal zeehs: at the time of the zombocalypse
LA had roughly 3 to 3.5 million inhabitants and employees in town. But there were no more then a couple of thousands of zombs right from the beginning, because mostly them zeehs did kill their victims, and only few made it to become zeehs. Also it is safe to assume that police and military services might have killed at least some of them zeehs in the beginning. Just remember how deserted the streets were already when Michael, Angel, and Saul left the base in order to get to the Tower. That was like hours after zombocalypse struck; and in a place with hundreds of thousands up to millions of potential zeehs this should be striking. And the deserted streets and random encounters with zeehs was and is pretty much the rule in the WA Story; this would only change, when the survivors have come very close to certain spots - the Arena and the Hospital, that's it. Considering these rough estimates I tend to assume that the fraction of smart ones within the number of all zombs might be similar low as with the number of really smart people in the average human society.

So still: these are simplifying assessments mostly based in what we actually know from the show. That's why I still lean towards Ink and his zombs adapting towards a major change in the ecology rather than having started it all. I may be wrong, though.

And all this with the tiny iPhone display ...

Best wishes!
Liam

edit:
P.S.: I remember Kc having mentioned something along this line on the WA Fancast - it all started at Ground Zero, and because none survived at what happened there it will remain a mystery how exactly it all started. I think this leaves some room for speculations whether Ink has started the Ground Zero situation, or someone/-thing else. Against Ink is to be mentioned: at the time Ground Zero happened Ink was in custody already for some time - at least enough time for having received the tatoos in jail; so whatever happened there at Ground Zero, Ink must have had some people assisting him doing so. So - is he kind of a a leader terrorist, a cultist, or a solitary madman?

You have a great point, but I don't think becasue you are smart it makes you alpha, I think in the Jail it would have made it hard for him to dominate. ya he killed people before he went to jail but it does not make him Alpha to me. thats why I think that he has the answeres to how the Z's can obey him. He has even made new ones. And in a short spand of time, think about how the tower saw him right away and Datu saw him in the Arena. So how could he have dominated all the Z's by bieng alpha and creating new ones. Seems like a short spand of time to me for him to do all that, I might be totally wrong but its just what I think. between all that Riley also saw him in the hospital and he has been busy attacking the people from the tower. Also I question how quick he turned in the van. what do you think? I think that he turned a little to quick, when other people have turned slow. Again I agree whith part of the stuff you said and some of the stuff I didnt think about. But the two things I said earlier, I just dont know why he would control everybody by bieng alpha. To me being alpha is like lions, the stongest and the best fighters. It is human nature that the fittest survive I think they see him more as there creator! and thats why I think like that.

[Jannit]

Still catching up on some missed posts but wanted to hop in and offer another piece of trivia that might support the idea that Ink has been working towards this plan prior to the actual outbreak.

In Chapter 1, part 1 the zombies are described as being scarred and bruised. If it were only random people being attacked on the spot, it seems unlikely that they'd all be described as scarred given the time required for scars to form. Pardon the :tinfoil: for a moment but hear me out. What if a faction were working towards the apocalypse and managed to turn a bunch of test subjects to carry the infection to the people in the major centers? If this were the case, it could explain how so many areas were hit at once plus it would account for the scars on the initial zombies. If this were a pre-planned event and Ink was a collaborator, the tattoos could have been part of the initial planning and have significance from that regard. Who knows, it could be a bunch of nihilists that got together and decided enough was enough.

[scbubba]

Still catching up on some missed posts but wanted to hop in and offer another piece of trivia that might support the idea that Ink has been working towards this plan prior to the actual outbreak.

In Chapter 1, part 1 the zombies are described as being scarred and bruised. If it were only random people being attacked on the spot, it seems unlikely that they'd all be described as scarred given the time required for scars to form. Pardon the :tinfoil: for a moment but hear me out. What if a faction were working towards the apocalypse and managed to turn a bunch of test subjects to carry the infection to the people in the major centers? If this were the case, it could explain how so many areas were hit at once plus it would account for the scars on the initial zombies. If this were a pre-planned event and Ink was a collaborator, the tattoos could have been part of the initial planning and have significance from that regard. Who knows, it could be a bunch of nihilists that got together and decided enough was enough.

Good thoughts. I've been bothered by the "burned and scarred" description for a while.

Thinking about it now I'm wondering, would there be a particular population that might be scarred already that could have been turned quickly? The jail and prison jump to mind but I'm not thinking that inmates/prisoners would have that many more noticeable scars than the average population.

Hmm... the only other thing I can come up with off the cuff might be a particular ward/unit in a hospital. Perhaps the burn unit? They are usually kept separate from the other populations in the hospital, I think, due to a high risk of infection in burn victims (someone who knows more about this please jump in here). Maybe it was meant to infer Ink working out of the hospital at that point in the story?

[Jannit]

Good thoughts. I've been bothered by the "burned and scarred" description for a while.

Thinking about it now I'm wondering, would there be a particular population that might be scarred already that could have been turned quickly? The jail and prison jump to mind but I'm not thinking that inmates/prisoners would have that many more noticeable scars than the average population.

Hmm... the only other thing I can come up with off the cuff might be a particular ward/unit in a hospital. Perhaps the burn unit? They are usually kept separate from the other populations in the hospital, I think, due to a high risk of infection in burn victims (someone who knows more about this please jump in here). Maybe it was meant to infer Ink working out of the hospital at that point in the story?

If they did come from a place like a hospital or prison, it seems likely to me that they'd all be wearing the same clothes. The only similar characteristics mentioned was the scars and bruises. I went back to double check the description and this is how Michael describes them on the freeway:

"The first time I saw 'em, I froze. Something inside of me told me not to move. The group of them moved past my car to the man honking behind me. Their bodies were littered with scars and bruises and their eyes were glazed over. The news made it sound like people gone mad but the way they moved made me think these may not be people at all."

[UndeadSweeper]

Good thoughts. I've been bothered by the "burned and scarred" description for a while.

Thinking about it now I'm wondering, would there be a particular population that might be scarred already that could have been turned quickly? The jail and prison jump to mind but I'm not thinking that inmates/prisoners would have that many more noticeable scars than the average population.

Hmm... the only other thing I can come up with off the cuff might be a particular ward/unit in a hospital. Perhaps the burn unit? They are usually kept separate from the other populations in the hospital, I think, due to a high risk of infection in burn victims (someone who knows more about this please jump in here). Maybe it was meant to infer Ink working out of the hospital at that point in the story?


Burn victim, would that include Angel? Then he should had been high risk of infection but he stay the same.

[scbubba]

Burn victim, would that include Angel? Then he should had been high risk of infection but he stay the same.

I wasn't implying that they would turn first or fastest. Just that they could have been isolated form the rest of the hospital population.

Looking at the exact reference that Jannit posted I now recall that it was in 1-1 so there wouldn't have been an Ink operating from the hospital timeline yet, I think. I was thinking that the scarred and burned reference was from later when Randy grabbed Tanya....

As for Angel, well I guess he could have been a slow turner.... But Scratch never gave us the chance to find out.

[alexcadtek]

This is a great point by Jannit Becasue I do not recall but if you guys do let me know. I dont remember tanya saying that the girl they had in the morg had any scars or bruising.
Very good point!

[Grognaurd]

Yes, the scar reference is interesting. It does not sound like the normal populace and may imply test subjects. To add another bit of the obscure, Angel says that the mental hospital is not far from here and we might have been brought in to take them down.

This is so wrong on so many levels. Calling in the reserve units to conduct local law enforcement for a menal health problem. No Way! I can just let it slide to get the characters together and start the story with a bit of foreshadowing. OK, but real life, no way. However, it does sound like something a Family Cult might do in real life. Sounds like the mafia calling in some toughs to solve a problem with violence.

Tanya does not reference bruising and scaring, but she does make an interesting statement about supposed self-inflicted wounds. I take that to mean tht the Little ones bleed themselves to get blood under the nails. It is much easier to spread the disease with a scratch then a bite.

[Jannit]

I just noticed something on the art for the finale and apologies if this has been said elsewhere. While there are more of the symbols we've already seen as well as a few new-ish ones that I need to add to the wiki one thing really stood out. It looks like Ink is holding the strings to the various marionettes included in the picture. Seems like another mark in favor of him being the puppet master.

Any guesses on what the apparent x-ray quality of his arms in the picture indicates?

[UndeadSweeper]

Yes, the scar reference is interesting. It does not sound like the normal populace and may imply test subjects. To add another bit of the obscure, Angel says that the mental hospital is not far from here and we might have been brought in to take them down.

This is so wrong on so many levels. Calling in the reserve units to conduct local law enforcement for a menal health problem. No Way! I can just let it slide to get the characters together and start the story with a bit of foreshadowing. OK, but real life, no way. However, it does sound like something a Family Cult might do in real life. Sounds like the mafia calling in some toughs to solve a problem with violence.

Tanya does not reference bruising and scaring, but she does make an interesting statement about supposed self-inflicted wounds. I take that to mean tht the Little ones bleed themselves to get blood under the nails. It is much easier to spread the disease with a scratch then a bite.

What if the ADLO are the women from the women's complex of the prison? Could explain the longer nails.

[Gooer]

Burn victim, would that include Angel? Then he should had been high risk of infection but he stay the same.

We're assuming the virus isn't airborne, otherwise the series wouldn't of gone on as long as it has (if you catch my drift, lol). Meaning, he would still require a bite/scratch to start the turning phase. Only then could we know if being burnt would accelerate the process...

[Jannit]

What if the ADLO are the women from the women's complex of the prison? Could explain the longer nails.

How do you explain them growing over the episodes and the stretch marks if this were the case? Also, they're not physically developed in the same manner as women are.

[Gooer]

I wasn't implying that they would turn first or fastest. Just that they could have been isolated form the rest of the hospital population.

Looking at the exact reference that Jannit posted I now recall that it was in 1-1 so there wouldn't have been an Ink operating from the hospital timeline yet, I think. I was thinking that the scarred and burned reference was from later when Randy grabbed Tanya....

As for Angel, well I guess he could have been a slow turner.... But Scratch never gave us the chance to find out.

They were referenced as being burned then too, saying that they all looked like they had been burned (something a long those lines).

[Jannit]

They were referenced as being burned then too, saying that they all looked like they had been burned (something a long those lines).

Do you remember when abouts that was? I'd like to go take another listen to the description of them being burned as I have no memory of that at all. /old

[Grognaurd]

Burns are mentioned after the arena bombing. I do not recall if it was Burt at the hospital or Michael at he tower, though.

[Gooer]

Do you remember when abouts that was? I'd like to go take another listen to the description of them being burned as I have no memory of that at all. /old

23 - 1, around 12:23

[UndeadSweeper]

How do you explain them growing over the episodes and the stretch marks if this were the case? Also, they're not physically developed in the same manner as women are.

I think that drug used to make the males into the behemoth may have different effect on a female.

[Jannit]

23 - 1, around 12:23

Wow, thanks! That was much more precise than I expected.

[Grognaurd]

I think that drug used to make the males into the behemoth may have different effect on a female.

Tanya's autopsy describes under developed Breast. We also know they started small and grew taller. I think everything is consistent that they started young. I do not know what percentage of the inmate population would be pregnant and how many women the jail would hold, but that is my :tinfoil:

Human growth hormone does work better on children than it does on adults. It is as if the growth points in the bones of adults shuts down and does not respond to the hormone. Give it to kids and it helps the long bones growth. Athletes take it for much less tangible effects.

The human body is big on what I call "homeostasis". It likes to try and stay the same. No matter what you do or how hard you try, you can only effect so much. Playing basketball will not make you seven feet tall. Lifting weights will not make you an Arnald. Hormones can stack the odds in your favor, but only some body types will respond. We may be equal in the terms of one man one vote, but physically speaking, our max potentials are very different.

However, start throwing additional hormones and drugs in very early life or even before birth before while the homeostasis is being patterned and much more is possible. These are the little ones.

[UndeadSweeper]

I understand Grognaurd., but we seen in the behemoth that "homeostasis" doesn't works. Some of the male prisoners were adults and became huge. Still I believe it a result of the gas (chemical X) + HGH that cause these major changes.

[Grognaurd]

I understand Grognaurd., but we seen in the behemoth that "homeostasis" doesn't works. Some of the male prisoners were are adult and became huge. Still I believe it a result of the gas (chemical X) + HGH that cause these major changes.

Okoko, I mean real life. This is scifi and we need an x-factor. That must be the contagion. What I mean is that in real live Somatatropin has a much greater effect on children than adults, so in the story it makes sense that it might have a greater and or better effect on children, also.

[UndeadSweeper]

Okoko, I mean real life. This is scifi and we need an x-factor. That must be the contagion. What I mean is that in real live Somatatropin has a much greater effect on children than adults, so in the story it makes sense that it might have a greater and or better effect on children, also.

Yup, I do agree. But it seem that KC doesn't want to mess with zombie kids at this point. The closest we got to that was Tommy at the Tower. Beyond that I haven't seen many spots where Ink would had access to them. Something is tell me that he need subjects that have fully developed minds to control. But I don't know why.

[Grognaurd]

Well, we will see. The average biter is probably five and a half feet tall and the inklings were called little for good reason, but become much larger as the story progresses.

[UndeadSweeper]

Well, we will see. The average biter is probably five and a half feet tall and the inklings were called little for good reason, but become much larger as the story progresses.

That the hard part will an audio podcast are they refer to their height or frame?

[Gooer]

Wow, thanks! That was much more precise than I expected.

After listening to this show so many times, i can remember the general location of most clips, just takes a few mins to pin-point it down...

[kent17]

... I missed it the first listen, but caught it the second, Robins tries one of the doors in the jail that isn't locked but he can't open, He is about to say something, but doesn't get a chance. I'm guessing that Roberts was in that room.

My thought was that one of the behemoths was behind that door "sleeping" and that Ink kindly woke him up when the soldiers got deep enough in.
Someone else mentioned that it could have been a door to the cafeteria that was boarded up.

[Red Shirt]

A question for the forums, does anyone have a compiled list of the chemicals/proteins that have been mentioned in the show? On my list I have:

K-18
Follistatin
Somatotropin
Stanozolol

I have a suspicion that I'm missing one or more that have been mentioned by name.

[Grognaurd]

I think there was erythropotin the one that increases red blood cells, to increase the amount of O2 the blood can carry. I also think there was one to increase the appetite in cancer patients.


Not with Ink, but michael used chloroform twice

Editing in stuff...

These are the names said by Puck (bold). My memory is not what it used to be and I had to go back dig them out.

Aranesp is a man-made form of a protein that helps your body produce red blood cells.

Megace ES is used for stimulating appetite and to fight breast cancer. How megestrol stimulates appetite or suppresses cancer is not understood.

[Zombie Yeti]

So upon listening to the podcast again in chapter 23 in the hospital when Riley and kolani run into ink he left a key in the big door they went thru almost inviting them in. And in chapter 24 scratch and tar dust talk about a puck character just wondering if its just a coincidence or not.

[CharlieChoo]

So upon listening to the podcast again in chapter 23 in the hospital when Riley and kolani run into ink he left a key in the big door they went thru almost inviting them in. And in chapter 24 scratch and tar dust talk about a puck character just wondering if its just a coincidence or not.

KC has posted about this before


OK, now for something new entirely. I'm finally going to fix the extra "PUCK" in Chapter 24.

For those of you who don't know, I made a pretty big mistake from season 2 to 3. I originally had a guy named "Puck" as a maller. He liked Hockey, that's where his nickname came from.

Anyway, at that point season 3 was still in outlining and planning phases and I ended up changing a character named "Pike" to "Puck". SO, what happened? I ended up with two Pucks... oops. Big oops. It's been driving me nuts. So, in the next few months it's going to get fixed and changed. I'll keep you updated on when, it'll take some time, but the name will now be "Biscuit". The funny thing about that... Biscuit is a nickname for Puck. It'll clear up the confusion and yet still remain the same.

[Zombie Yeti]

KC has posted about this before

Sorry about that lol newish to the forums

[Grognaurd]

Sorry about that lol newish to the forums

Do not appologise, you enjoy the story enough to remember even small parts. It would be waaaay to much to expect everyone to read all of posts before joining the fun, so we just help eachother out. welcome!

[Kc]

So upon listening to the podcast again in chapter 23 in the hospital when Riley and kolani run into ink he left a key in the big door they went thru almost inviting them in. And in chapter 24 scratch and tar dust talk about a puck character just wondering if its just a coincidence or not.



that will be fixed soon!!!

[Gooer]

Hmmm....... If it was Scratch that said the line *(Not sure if it was her or Tardust), then I'm sure Kc wouldn't just call Jenna in to do one line.....I would wait until she had to come in for other lines as well.....MEANING, Scratch will return soon!!! :tinfoil:

[Kc]

Hmmm....... If it was Scratch that said the line *(Not sure if it was her or Tardust), then I'm sure Kc wouldn't just call Jenna in to do one line.....I would wait until she had to come in for other lines as well.....MEANING, Scratch will return soon!!! :tinfoil:

You take a very literal meaning for SOON... I just wanted to comment on something that's been bugging me for a LONG time. And yes, I've been known to have people come in for one or two lines. :zombie:

[Gooer]

You take a very literal meaning for SOON... I just wanted to comment on something that's been bugging me for a LONG time. And yes, I've been known to have people come in for one or two lines. :zombie:

Dangit..... Ah well, one can dream......or hope....

[hawken50]

So I keep coming back to something Kelly said a couple episodes ago after cataloging journals. "these attacks almost seem retaliatory."

Puck and the solders just invaded Inks base...
Dunbar is undefended...

[TacticalJHP]

So I keep coming back to something Kelly said a couple episodes ago after cataloging journals. "these attacks almost seem retaliatory."

Puck and the solders just invaded Inks base...
Dunbar is undefended...

Spot on.

:nik:

[Z Sniper]

Happy Valentines Day from Saul! Here's a little video I shot of him during his performance at the Colony bar. You'll find a few of the other characters in there too, like Glenn, me maybe and well,....you'll see. Love, Victor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7P6ut6HPR8

[Deacon_Tyler]

Happy Valentines Day from Saul! Here's a little video I shot of him during his performance at the Colony bar. You'll find a few of the other characters in there too, like Glenn, me maybe and well,....you'll see. Love, Victor


Now imagine Glenn saying "smack it up, flip it, rub it down" and you will smile.

[Eviebae]

Now imagine Glenn saying "smack it up, flip it, rub it down" and you will smile.

:britt:

[Zombie Yeti]

that will be fixed soon!!!
Lol ok was just like wait is something crazy gonna happen. Pucks a former maller lol.

[Zombie Yeti]

Finally tomorrow. I hate rushing the weekend bit man I can't wait

[Gooer]

You take a very literal meaning for SOON... I just wanted to comment on something that's been bugging me for a LONG time. And yes, I've been known to have people come in for one or two lines. :zombie:

See, i was right. Scratch was in the next episode!