Arena/Hospital Theory - the re-visit *Potential Spoilers*

[Arch_Will]

Hi guys,

Potential Spoilers if you haven't gotten to the Arena and Hospital areas yet, so catch up before reading on...


you have caught up now? good, carry on..

Firstly, apologies if this has already been filtered through someone elses mind and made it to the interwebs already but I have a theory surrounding Ink(pin-striped suit man) the arena, hospital and ... Samantha.

I think that there is more to this than meets the ears. Firstly.. Datu never "seen" what happened to her as he looked away. and Sam never recounted 100% on her experiences I believe.

I think that the whole lighting fires and gathering was too cultish to be a random feeding frenzy.. the biters all ate using the stockpile a la Angel y Riley. So there has to be something else to it.

the Hospital has a chair with a tattoo needle and Ink wasn't very dextrous when inputting numbers into the keypad at the tower, but then again he did catch an arrow..and the numbers on the "little ones" were described as crude. also the finger nails and blood every where.. maybe the victims were bloodied or semi butchered to become little ones.. maybe its a demonic ritual given the nature of Ink's tattoos? also indications of demonism could be the fact that the earth is opening up into mysterious depths, perhaps a version of hell has sent out its minions.. ( i digress )

I believe there may be a direct relation to what happened in the arena with Sam, to the creation of the little ones. and if so there may be a potential confrontation with little one Sam vs Datu and Hope. possibly a conflict that may result in the unfortunate ending of Datu in a mixture of emotion. (although i hope not)

[Arch_Will]

lol anyone agree/disagree? thoughts?

[Osiris]

He's an artist, and like all artists there are areas of his life that are less than perfect. He's got poor coordination dialing phones, he's terrible at reading menus, he doesn't know how to drive. There are a lot of things about him that are--what one might consider--points of contention. He's trying okay? Give him a break.

[LiamKerrington]

Snatching an arrow out of the area is a feat based on your reflexes, while connecting the meaning of numbers, the user-interface of a keypad, and the lock-mechanism is something that is based on your intelligence or capability of analyzing and understanding information. Therefore I think that both types of actions cannot be compared.

But I walk half way down the road you describe: There could be more to it then jus a ritualistic way of feasting upon poor victims in the arena. But if there is a direct connection between the arena and the hospital, I don't know ... Both places are way too far away from each other; why would Ink or a group of smart ones first start a ritual in the arena in order to mark the Little Ones in the hopsital? Why wouldn't they place the tools for tatooing right into the place of the ritual. That's why I think that direct connection would be a stretch.

About demonic stuff (or shit) ... I dunno as well. Up until now WA has been quite down to earth; anything was sort of measurable in terms of natural sciences or natural paradigms ... The "demon"- or "hell"-theme does not fit - in my opinion. And yet: Considering the specialities of Inglewood I am not 100% certain that there is no 'occult' or 'demonic' element at all in WA-verse ... I guess season 4 will tell ... And season 4 will kick in pretty soon ... :)

Best wishes!
Liam

[Witch_Doctor]

I agree with Liam on the supernatural critique. Anything of that nature are probably only symbolic to Ink/TOWTM/BillRoberts/Pinstripes, but this is based on that author's interviews as well as the straight forward natural causes in the story. Not saying that there are no cultish elements, just that there probably isn't anything supernatural going on.

It seems like his cognitive abilities are a bit affected. Mimicry, trouble with numbers yet able to write them, albeit sloppily, but functions at a level more sophisticated than animals or the other Zs.

[Arch_Will]

well isn't Zombie-ism in itself an act of the occult... forgive me if my assumptions or retrospective analysis of a paranormal book read 20 years ago is misplaced.. wasn't the term "zombie" a term used to describe those who were revived/woken up after being affected by the drug tetrodotoxin and used as mindless slaves by witch doctors many years ago? - i digress tho.

i'm just a tad eager to find out which direct KC takes us.

[Witch_Doctor]

Yeah, the voodoo zombie is based on what you mentioned above. Sounds like you may be referring to the book, The Serpent and the Rainbow, or one like it? Yep, that was definitely the occult yet there was a natural explanation behind it.

Personally, as I am listening to the story, I picture the outbreak having some sort of natural cause and Ink is an occultist who is taking advantage of his unique response to the infection. That is, he is somehow not affected the same way or as fully as other zombies (smart people become smart zombies, psychologically disturbed people become strange zombies.) Someone wrote that she thought perhaps Ink was not really insane but was under the influence of some intelligence that directed him to ground zero. And, this intelligence's influence manifested itself as hallucinations of a cult-like nature, which could explain Ink's tattoo choices. This sounds clever to me, but I'm almost ALWAYS wrong on here.

I can't wait to see where KC takes this. Also, please don't apologize for anything you think up. That's what the forum is here for. What do you think?


those who were revived/woken up after being affected by the drug tetrodotoxin and used as mindless slaves by witch doctors many years ago? I don't know what you're talking about. :squint:

[Witch_Doctor]

Yeah, the voodoo zombie is based on what you mentioned above. Sounds like you may be referring to the book, The Serpent and the Rainbow, or one like it? Yep, that was definitely the occult yet there was a natural explanation behind it.

Personally, as I am listening to the story, I picture the outbreak having some sort of natural cause and Ink is an occultist who is taking advantage of his unique response to the infection. That is, he is somehow not affected the same way or as fully as other zombies (smart people become smart zombies, psychologically disturbed people become strange zombies.) Someone wrote that she thought perhaps Ink was not really insane but was under the influence of some intelligence that directed him to ground zero. And, this intelligence's influence manifested itself as hallucinations of a cult-like nature, which could explain Ink's tattoo choices. This sounds clever to me, but I'm almost ALWAYS wrong on here.

I can't wait to see where KC takes this. Also, please don't apologize for anything you think up. That's what the forum is here for. What do you think?

those who were revived/woken up after being affected by the drug tetrodotoxin and used as mindless slaves by witch doctors many years ago? I don't know what you're talking about. :squint:

[Osiris]

Yeah, the voodoo zombie is based on what you mentioned above. Sounds like you may be referring to the book, The Serpent and the Rainbow, or one like it? Yep, that was definitely the occult yet there was a natural explanation behind it.

Personally, as I am listening to the story, I picture the outbreak having some sort of natural cause and Ink is an occultist who is taking advantage of his unique response to the infection. That is, he is somehow not affected the same way or as fully as other zombies (smart people become smart zombies, psychologically disturbed people become strange zombies.) Someone wrote that she thought perhaps Ink was not really insane but was under the influence of some intelligence that directed him to ground zero. And, this intelligence's influence manifested itself as hallucinations of a cult-like nature, which could explain Ink's tattoo choices. This sounds clever to me, but I'm almost ALWAYS wrong on here.

I can't wait to see where KC takes this. Also, please don't apologize for anything you think up. That's what the forum is here for. What do you think?

I don't know what you're talking about. :squint:

:hsugh:

[LiamKerrington]

well isn't Zombie-ism in itself an act of the occult... forgive me if my assumptions or retrospective analysis of a paranormal book read 20 years ago is misplaced.. wasn't the term "zombie" a term used to describe those who were revived/woken up after being affected by the drug tetrodotoxin and used as mindless slaves by witch doctors many years ago? - i digress tho.

i'm just a tad eager to find out which direct KC takes us.

Hi there.

The voodoo-zombie roots in the "nzumbe", which afaik refers to an undead or unliving spirit of who- or whatever.
But there are different ideas involving zombies - like for example the really existing zombie-ism based on the "ophiocordyceps unilateralis" fungus; this one transforms insects into liveless zombies without any occult being involved.
Considering the different sources of zombie-ism in popculture you may also find the sources of it in toxic waste, radiation, interstellar sh*t, bio-engineering gone wild or purposely exaggerated, or even worse storyboards and scripts ... ;)

The question now is: What zombie-idea lingers in the dark mind of our beloved Zombie-Lord Kc?

Best wishes!
Liam

[Arch_Will]

i was fascinated by the fungal zombie ants and their images are terrifying... what if that ended up magnified.. lol would be like the flood from Halo. or maybe it already exists and takes part in reality television shows O.o

and witch doctor, the book i was referring to was a paranormal encyclopedia giving descriptions and examples of the strangeness found throuout history. from Human Combustion to phoney seances and from witch hunts to vampirism. very interesting read for a nerdy teenager :)

[Osiris]

I once summoned the devil.

[Arch_Will]

I once summoned the devil.


That was Siri

[Osiris]

That was Siri

I have no idea what that is.

[Witch_Doctor]

i was fascinated by the fungal zombie ants and their images are terrifying... what if that ended up magnified.. lol would be like the flood from Halo. or maybe it already exists and takes part in reality television shows O.o

and witch doctor, the book i was referring to was a paranormal encyclopedia giving descriptions and examples of the strangeness found throuout history. from Human Combustion to phoney seances and from witch hunts to vampirism. very interesting read for a nerdy teenager :)

I've read plenty of those types of books in my youth, too. To the point that I would scare myself from sleeping. Drove my parents crazy to wake up with their teenage son cowering in bed between them.

As for zombie infections in humans, well lets just say be careful around Mr. Whiskers, AKA Zombie Kitty. Toxoplasma Gondii (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3515034/)


I once summoned the devil.

I thought you WERE the devil.


That was Siri
Now THAT'S Funny!

[Osiris]

Keyword: was.

[Malador]

If Bill Roberts is Ink as many have suggested, the occult thing may just be him taking advantage of the situation, able to play out the fantasies he had before the outbreak. As for a connection to the little ones, I've always thought that perhaps they were infants from the maternity ward of the hospital that were infected at infancy, and the virus bonded with them more cohesively since they were still growing, causing the noted rapid growth and possibly why they cause others to become little ones as the virus has further mutated inside of them.

[Grognaurd]

Let's recall that chapter 10 "Purgatory" had a guest author citation. My personal knowledge base is not what it once was and I have not gotten to late season 3, but I think that is the only time it has occurred. KC has also gone out of his way to shoutout that Samantha is dead. These two oddballs lead me to place less emphasis on the ritualistic aspects of her murder.

That being said, KC is a huge fan of Lost ( I have not screened it ) but it is my understand the series hallmark is interweaving of plots within plots, so even the most casual of details has significance when revisited in a later context.