Leave her?

[Sammy D]

I hope this has not already been discussed in another thread.

I am going through Season 3 again and just listened to CJ's account of the fall of her tower. Hearing this has created a new theory idea. Ever since CJ was introduced her defining characteristic has been her intelligence. Her ability to plan and problem solve has been continuously demonstrated and recognized by all of the characters. Yet when an opportunity to kill a threat our old friend pinstripes chose to say "leave her". (With a truly chilling voice I might add.)

So here is the skeleton of a theory. I am still working on.

I would say that Pinstripes has a much more elaborate plan than we are aware of. I would even argue that all survivors are constantly under surveillance even during the more mundane activities. This is hardly a stretch considering how frequently characters look up in a crisis and see someone watching.

We have also seen numerous examples that intelligence plays a role in zombie type.

Therefore I would say that CJ was spared in that time because of her intelligence because Pinstripes was planning to use her in future generation of Zombie. ( a similar theory could be considered for the attempted kidnapping of Tanya.)

The rest of her towers residents were more useful as food/whatever else but she was spared as part of an elaborate insurance plan that eventually she would be useful. Pinstripes seems to have a keen understanding of militaristic hierarchy and could have assumed that without people to carry out her plans she was not a threat to his evil machinations.

I am not suggesting that CJ is an essential part of the big bad's plans, just another spoke in the wheel.

This idea could end up creating a cohesive plan of all of the seemingly random encounters. Sorry if this one is not completely coherent. I may edit some after some sleep. later guys.

[Osiris]

CJ won't survive anyway. It's sad, but it's true.

[Sammy D]

agreed, but that incident got me thinking in those lines so she became the example for the post.

[Osiris]

I've been considering a similar thread for quite some time now. Every once in a while you catch a howl or a growl on the breeze. Could be just something simple like sound design with the intent of keeping things tense or it could be something very, very deliberate on Kc's part. He seems evil like that. An evil little bald ewok. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else . . . .

[LiamKerrington]

Hi.

Yeah, maybe she was left by "one" zombie (probably TOWTM), who said "leave her", because the zombies need some special survivors in order to evolve their own kin and become more potent.

All the best!
Liam

[Sammy D]

KC has just about convinced me that everything possible is deliberate.

A larger plan also gives reasoning behind why Pinstripes didn't chase Riley and Kalani in the hospital.

[Osiris]

I had always held onto the belief that the others were told to leave her because casualties would have been too high at the time in order to take down that crazy broad with all the ammo and the all the guns and nothing left to lose. I'm not so certain that there was a master plan as far as CJ was concerned. It seemed more self-preservative.

[LiamKerrington]

I had always held onto the belief that the others were told to leave her because casualties would have been too high at the time in order to take down that crazy broad with all the ammo and the all the guns and nothing left to lose. I'm not so certain that there was a master plan as far as CJ was concerned. It seemed more self-preservative.

This was on my mind as well all the time, 'cause it simply made sense - from 'our' perspective.

But then again: How many zeehs were just plainly and simply wasted when they tried to overrun The Tower during The War? Any attack on convoys included losses as well. And not to forget the last run on The Colony, which would certainly create losses in the ranks of the zeehs.
We have zeehs preparing traps and ambushes, zeehs organizing themselves, and at least the group of zeehs around TOWTM starting to move a lot more tactical then in the beginning and during the first weeks of zeeh-pocalypse. At least the idea of having kind of a "plan" or "idea" behind certain means of attack or avoidance makes them more ... Well, what strikes me right now: This podcast is a "story of survival". What, if TOWTM and the smart-ones have realized their situation and now just try to establish the best possible means of survival - which would include tactical decisions on the field as well as certain 'experiments' ... ?

Am off to the library. I shouldn't have read this topic ...

All the best!
Liam

[Osiris]

This was on my mind as well all the time, 'cause it simply made sense - from 'our' perspective.

But then again: How many zeehs were just plainly and simply wasted when they tried to overrun The Tower during The War? Any attack on convoys included losses as well. And not to forget the last run on The Colony, which would certainly create losses in the ranks of the zeehs.
We have zeehs preparing traps and ambushes, zeehs organizing themselves, and at least the group of zeehs around TOWTM starting to move a lot more tactical then in the beginning and during the first weeks of zeeh-pocalypse. At least the idea of having kind of a "plan" or "idea" behind certain means of attack or avoidance makes them more ... Well, what strikes me right now: This podcast is a "story of survival". What, if TOWTM and the smart-ones have realized their situation and now just try to establish the best possible means of survival - which would include tactical decisions on the field as well as certain 'experiments' ... ?

Am off to the library. I shouldn't have read this topic ...

All the best!
Liam

I see what you're saying. I'd be more inclined to view that plan has having nothing to do with CJ. Sure, there's a reason why the Zeds have "wasted" mass on various targest, while pulling back from others. It feels more like it is whatever suits his purpose. He's got no specific plan for any given character, just an overall plan of . . . well, that's up for debate still.

[Osiris]

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[Witch_Doctor]

KC has just about convinced me that everything possible is deliberate.

A larger plan also gives reasoning behind why Pinstripes didn't chase Riley and Kalani in the hospital.

Kalani even questioned aloud, "Why didn't he call others?". I've felt that KC wanted to emphasize this lil fact.

[scbubba]

I originally thought about the encounter with CJ like Osiris said, no need to waste a bunch of Zeds trying to get the one girl. But the more I try to tie several of these seemingly unconnected by eerily similar events together I wonder if it's not part of some plan.

Plan idea 1 - TOWTM identifies the leaders of the human groups and doesn't kill/turn them because he wants to use them later for his innovative experiments in Zed evolution

Plan idea 2 - TOWTM identifies the leaders of the human groups and doesn't kill/turn them because he believes that they will continue to either gather folks together or seek out other people. This lets TOWTM use them to create or find "herds of livestock" for he and his Zed family to feast on.

Plan idea 3 - TOWTM identifies the leaders of the human groups and doesn't kill/turn them because he is needs a live foe to test his creations against (think about the bad guy in "The Incredibles").

Plan idea 4 - TOWTM identifies the leaders of the human groups and doesn't kill/turn them because, because..... Hmmm, guess I'm all out right now....

[reaper239]

This was on my mind as well all the time, 'cause it simply made sense - from 'our' perspective.

But then again: How many zeehs were just plainly and simply wasted when they tried to overrun The Tower during The War? Any attack on convoys included losses as well. And not to forget the last run on The Colony, which would certainly create losses in the ranks of the zeehs.
We have zeehs preparing traps and ambushes, zeehs organizing themselves, and at least the group of zeehs around TOWTM starting to move a lot more tactical then in the beginning and during the first weeks of zeeh-pocalypse. At least the idea of having kind of a "plan" or "idea" behind certain means of attack or avoidance makes them more ... Well, what strikes me right now: This podcast is a "story of survival". What, if TOWTM and the smart-ones have realized their situation and now just try to establish the best possible means of survival - which would include tactical decisions on the field as well as certain 'experiments' ... ?

Am off to the library. I shouldn't have read this topic ...

All the best!
Liam

every operation in this sort of situation will involve losses, the question is, is one person worth 200-300 troops. prolly not. in the war, they managed to get a lot of the mallers, even if the tower didn't fall. during scratches revenge (the fall) a lot of zed were lost, but that was acceptable for what was accomplished. even if you have a million zed to throw at the enemy, is one scared hiding, and heavily armed person worth the couple hundred it may take to get to them? no, the better option is to wait until they remove themselves to a more vulnerable position, then commit force to removing the threat.

[reaper239]

I originally thought about the encounter with CJ like Osiris said, no need to waste a bunch of Zeds trying to get the one girl. But the more I try to tie several of these seemingly unconnected by eerily similar events together I wonder if it's not part of some plan.

Plan idea 1 - TOWTM identifies the leaders of the human groups and doesn't kill/turn them because he wants to use them later for his innovative experiments in Zed evolution

Plan idea 2 - TOWTM identifies the leaders of the human groups and doesn't kill/turn them because he believes that they will continue to either gather folks together or seek out other people. This lets TOWTM use them to create or find "herds of livestock" for he and his Zed family to feast on.

Plan idea 3 - TOWTM identifies the leaders of the human groups and doesn't kill/turn them because he is needs a live foe to test his creations against (think about the bad guy in "The Incredibles").

Plan idea 4 - TOWTM identifies the leaders of the human groups and doesn't kill/turn them because, because..... Hmmm, guess I'm all out right now....


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i like this idea.

[LiamKerrington]

crackpot:

CJ was not attacked, because she has this special "scent", and the one zombie that spelled the order to leaver her alone recognized her.
In season #4 we'll gonna have a scene in which CJ and this specific zombie meet, and the big drama and tragedy takes place.

Why would this work? Because we have no background of CJ except for her running Dunbar; what, if there is some very emotional relation between her and TOWTM or a particular smart one?

As I said: crackpot, nothing more to it. ;)

All the best!
Liam